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"V" |
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10 Jul 2007 02:53:24 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego.
*Normal* people, when faced with negative responses across an entire
group at
least consider that they may be the cause of the reaction. Your ego
is
bloated to the point of delusion, rendering you incapable of dealing
with social situations. You. Need. Help.
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V:
Hi and thank you for your reply Mark.
I am sorry - I cannot help you with this matter Mark.
The issues you mention stem from your own personal prejudices. All
problems are created in the mind. These are just such issues that
bother you but do not bother me and you have to come to peace with
them for yourself.
May I be so bold to suggest you search your own mind for the answer,
instead of seeking peace in changing others into a carbon copy of
yourself?
With the same material one man builds a palace and another only
builds
a hovel and I've built my palace already and it is your turn to build
your own, but I cannot do it for you.
Your 'argumentum ad populum' is an old one Mark and it just shows
your
ignorance. If counting the heads was the proof of being right, then
the theists would have the upper hand in the argument, wouldn't they
Mark?
Should I be more like you Mark?
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/27_12_20...
Is that the legacy I wish to leave?
No thanks Mark, I prefer to be on the side of truth and if all are
against it is of no concern to me.
I prefer to base my foundation on what is said instead of who says
what. I prefer to be on the side of peace.
I can tell you positively that NONE of my concepts of inner peace
came
from writing to people to tear them down - so maybe you can profit
from my experience in this area and try another way to build up your
life by a different method?
I find it is a good policy to concentrate on principles and not on
personalties. It is your right to not like me.
You are free to think about the 'personality of V' as you please. But,
when it comes to the tools I write about, such as developing inner
peace, living within ones means, practicing gratitude, following
simplicity instead of sick complexity, developing virtue, sharing
recovery and spiritual
principles with others, healthy and balanced living practices and on
and on - these are all universal truths that cannot be disputed. when
we try to control others it is s signpost of our own dis-ease. I make
no demands on you to control you, you are welcome to your opinions.
All I ask is you please extend the same courtesy to me Mark.
Whenever you get disturbed by my posts, always remember, you do not
pay me to write for you Mark. I am not obligated in any way to write
what you want to hear. If you want a topic written about in a certain
way, then you write it or hire a writer to write for you Mark. I
write
what I perceive is the best for my own practice and also try to make
this writing applicable to others for the possibility of instilling
peace within them. But I am under NO obligation to please you in any
way with what I write. Expectation re pre-planned resentments my
Mark.
As I have told you numerous times Mark. I am not a troll. I am an
Agnostic Freethinker and write from that point of view. I am
interested in discussing topics that pertain to atheism, agnostics,
theism and spirituality, as well as the well being of humanity. All
the tools discussed within my posts are available for any person to
use irrespective of religious belief or lack thereof. I make no
other
claims. Irrespective of how many times you call me a troll it is of
no
account Mark. My posts stand on their own and are ready for
inspection
at any time to prove the truth.
The dictionary defines judgmental as: determination, verdict, decree,
discrimination, sagacity, wisdom, prudence, taste. To be able to form
a judgment is defined as: to have the ability to judge, make a
decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively and wisely.
The only negative term I try to avoid in the definition of judgmental
is "discrimination." Prejudicial discrimination is defined as: an
unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without
knowledge,
thought or reason. I try not to discriminate against others and
subscribe to "live and let live."
Whenever we meet others we can tend to pigeon hole these individuals
into the following 3 groups. The person is either judged better than
us or an equal to us or below us. This is an area I work to be
mindful
of and reduce it and not promote it, for it stems from the ego. What
helps me is to practice humility, practice compassion by looking for
insight into the other person suffering and to see these types of
judgments as ego based and not useful and to nip them I the bud when
they pop up.
Whenever we beat down others to boost our ego we will never find the
peace that we are desperately seeking. Destroying others to glorify
our ego is not the answer my friend. A Buddhist practice may be a
rewarding place to put your time if anger and hatred are ruling your
life. Buddhism is open to all...even atheists, as it does not require
belief in God. (in general)
The eightfold path gives us guidable in the following areas:
1. Right View
2. Right Intention
3. Right Speech
4. Right Action
5. Right Livelihood
6. Right Effort
7. Right Mindfulness
8. Right Concentration
Right Speech is something you can work on this very instant.
Right speech is the first principle of ethical conduct in the
eightfold path. Ethical conduct is viewed as a guideline to moral
discipline, which supports the other principles of the path. This
aspect is not self-sufficient, however, essential, because mental
purification can only be achieved through the cultivation of ethical
conduct. The importance of speech in the context of Buddhist ethics
is
obvious: words can break or save lives, make enemies or friends,
start
war or create peace. Buddha explained right speech as follows: 1. to
abstain from false speech, especially not to tell deliberate lies and
not to speak deceitfully, 2. to abstain from slanderous speech and
not
to use words maliciously against others, 3. to abstain from harsh
words that offend or hurt others, and 4. to abstain from idle chatter
that lacks purpose or depth. Positively phrased, this means to tell
the truth, to speak friendly, warm, and gently and to talk only when
necessary.
The Noble Eightfold Path describes the way to the end of suffering,
as
it was laid out by Siddhartha Gautama. It is a practical guideline to
ethical and mental development with the goal of freeing the
individual
from attachments and delusions; and it finally leads to understanding
the truth about all things. Together with the Four Noble Truths it
constitutes the gist of Buddhism.
1. Right View
Right view is the beginning and the end of the path, it simply means
to see and to understand things as they really are and to realize the
Four Noble Truth. As such, right view is the cognitive aspect of
wisdom. It means to see things through, to grasp the impermanent and
imperfect nature of worldly objects and ideas, and to understand the
law of karma and karmic conditioning. Right view is not necessarily
an
intellectual capacity, just as wisdom is not just a matter of
intelligence. Instead, right view is attained, sustained, and
enhanced
through all capacities of mind. It begins with the intuitive insight
that all beings are subject to suffering and it ends with complete
understanding of the true nature of all things.
2. Right Intention
While right view refers to the cognitive aspect of wisdom, right
intention refers to the volitional aspect, i.e. the kind of mental
energy that controls our actions. Right intention can be described
best as commitment to ethical and mental self-improvement. Buddha
distinguishes three types of right intentions: 1. the intention of
renunciation, which means resistance to the pull of desire, 2. the
intention of good will, meaning resistance to feelings of anger and
aversion, and
the intention of harmlessness, meaning not to think or act cruelly,
violently, or aggressively, and to develop compassion.
3. Right Speech
Right speech is the first principle of ethical conduct in the
eightfold path. Ethical conduct is viewed as a guideline to moral
discipline, which supports the other principles of the path. This
aspect is not self-sufficient, however, essential, because mental
purification can only be achieved through the cultivation of ethical
conduct. The importance of speech in the context of Buddhist ethics
is
obvious: words can break or save lives, make enemies or friends,
start
war or create peace. Buddha explained right speech as follows: 1. to
abstain from false speech, especially not to tell deliberate lies and
not to speak deceitfully, 2. to abstain from slanderous speech and
not
to use words maliciously against others, 3. to abstain from harsh
words that offend or hurt others, and 4. to abstain from idle chatter
that lacks purpose or depth. Positively phrased, this means to tell
the truth, to speak friendly, warm, and to talk only when necessary.
4. Right Action
The second ethical principle, right action, involves the body as
natural means of expression, as it refers to deeds that involve
bodily
actions. Unwholesome actions lead to unsound states of mind, while
wholesome actions lead to sound states of mind. Again, the principle
is explained in terms of abstinence: right action means 1. to abstain
from harming sentient beings, especially to abstain from taking life
(including suicide) and doing harm intentionally or delinquently, 2.
to abstain from taking what is not given, which includes stealing,
robbery, fraud, deceitfulness, and dishonesty, and 3. to abstain from
sexual misconduct. Positively formulated, right action means to act
kindly and compassionately, to be honest, to respect the belongings
of
others, and to keep sexual relationships harmless to others.
5. Right Livelihood
Right livelihood means that one should earn one's living in a
righteous way and that wealth should be gained legally and
peacefully.
The Buddha mentions four specific activities that harm other beings
and that one should avoid for this reason: 1. dealing in weapons, 2.
dealing in living beings (including raising animals for slaughter as
well as slave trade and prostitution), 3. working in meat production
and butchery, and 4. selling intoxicants and poisons, such as alcohol
and drugs. Furthermore any other occupation that would violate the
principles of right speech and right action should be avoided.
6. Right Effort
Right effort can be seen as a prerequisite for the other principles
of
the path. Without effort, which is in itself an act of will, nothing
can be achieved, whereas misguided effort distracts the mind from its
task, and confusion will be the consequence. Mental energy is the
force behind right effort; it can occur in either wholesome or
unwholesome states. The same type of energy that fuels desire, envy,
aggression, and violence can on the other side fuel self-discipline,
honesty, benevolence, and kindness. Right effort is detailed in four
types of endeavours that rank in ascending order of perfection: 1. to
prevent the arising of unarisen unwholesome states, 2. to abandon
unwholesome states that have already arisen, 3. to arouse wholesome
states that have not yet arisen, and 4. to maintain and perfect
wholesome states already arisen.
7. Right Mindfulness
Right mindfulness is the controlled and perfected faculty of
cognition. It is the mental ability to see things as they are, with
clear consciousness. Usually, the cognitive process begins with an
impression induced by perception, or by a thought, but then it does
not stay with the mere impression. Instead, we almost always
conceptualise sense impressions and thoughts immediately. We
interpret
them and set them in relation to other thoughts and experiences,
which
naturally go beyond the facticity of the original impression. The
mind
then posits concepts, joins concepts into constructs, and weaves
those
constructs into complex interpretative schemes. All this happens only
half consciously, and as a result we often see things obscured. Right
mindfulness is anchored in clear perception and it penetrates
impressions without getting carried away. Right mindfulness enables
us
to be aware of the process of conceptualisation in a way that we
actively observe and control the way our thoughts go. Buddha
accounted
for this as the four foundations of mindfulness: 1. contemplation of
the body, 2. contemplation of feeling (repulsive, attractive, or
neutral), 3. contemplation of the state of mind, and 4. contemplation
of the phenomena.
8. Right Concentration
The eighth principle of the path, right concentration, refers to the
development of a mental force that occurs in natural consciousness,
although at a relatively low level of intensity, namely
concentration.
Concentration in this context is described as one-pointedness of
mind,
meaning a state where all mental faculties are unified and directed
onto one particular object. Right concentration for the purpose of
the
eightfold path means wholesome concentration, i.e. concentration on
wholesome thoughts and actions. The Buddhist method of choice to
develop right concentration is through the practice of meditation.
The
meditating mind focuses on a selected object. It first directs itself
onto it, then sustains concentration, and finally intensifies
concentration step by step. Through this practice it becomes natural
to apply elevated levels concentration also in everyday situations.
You (MKB) told me one time: "You take up *nowhere near the time you
seem to think. Further, you're not even one of the *interesting
trolls
I'll bother to tell people about offline for the purpose of amusing
them."
V:
Apparently, you are operating under the delusion that I wish to
derive
pride from 'being noteworthy enough' for Mark K Bilbo to mention to
his computer friends as an interesting troll? Thoreau once said when
people invited him to dinner they put their pride in how fancy and
expensive a meal they could make. Whereas he put his pride in how
simple and inexpensive a meal he could make. Where do we put your
pride Mark? My pride is in how well I live a life at peace. I can
assure you Mark, the thought that my pride is being degraded, by not
being up to the standards that you measure a troll by, never even
crossed my mind.
The three unwholesome roots of delusions, greed and hate are very
basic to a a Buddhist practice. Out of these three, delusion is the
foundational root, for without seeing delusions for what they are,
you
cannot distinguish the other two unwholesome roots of greed and hate.
Seeing things clearly is a byproduct of being at peace and developing
wisdom. All these qualities are related. Applying wisdom to our
actions yields peace and being at peace allows rational thought. But
just applying rational thought alone does not equal wisdom.
Until you can clear your mind of destructive emotions mark, you will
have no chance at being at peace...you can't even get pointed in the
right direction. May I suggest you print out my posts, read them
daily
and maybe, just maybe it will sink it that working to hurt others is
not the way to peace Mark. Again, whenever we meet others we can tend
to pigeon hole these individuals into the following 3 groups. The
person is either judged better than us or an equal to us or below us.
This is an area I work to be mindful of and reduce it and not promote
it, for it stems from the ego. What helps me is to practice humility,
practice compassion by looking for insight into the other person
suffering and to see these types of judgments as ego based and not
useful and to nip them I the bud when they pop up.
Whenever we beat down others to boost our ego we will never find the
peace that we are desperately seeking. Destroying others to glorify
our ego is not the answer my friend.
You (MKB) also wrote me: "First of all , dumbfuck (V), you have no
idea what my life is or is not. Second of all, you arrogant *****..."
V:
Oh, but I do know about you my friend. You are a perennial fiend of
shame and hostility, just another coward behind a keyboard, provoking
others through his frantic efforts to bloat his ego by degrading
people. I've run into many of your kind over the last 9 years...they
all self-destruct sooner or later. They lose because they base their
lives on wrong actions, wrong thought, wrong speech, wrong view and
all the rest.
Your words say all I need to know about you Mark. Yes, words do
matter
my friend. People die over taking words too seriously. People die
over
taking words not seriously enough. Words give a glimpse of what our
insides are like. Whenever we beat down others to boost our ego we
will never find the peace that we are desperately seeking. Destroying
others to glorify our ego is not the answer my friend. Just as I told
another of your kind recently, until you change Mark, you will
continue on your mockery of a life that can best be described as the
tragedy upon humanity that manifests itself as Mark K. Bilbo.
It must be really tough being you Mark. You operate by hatred and
prejudice and have no foundation in truth. Whatever I submit must be
torn down and disagreed with as to do otherwise would destroy your
sense of ego. Since you cannot tear down what I write about as false,
you work to tear down me. But that will not work since my self worth
is not based on what you or anyone thinks of me as my self worth is
based on truth. On and on you go each day harboring hatred and
destruction in your soul with no hope for change. But there is hope
for the hopeless...all you have to do is take that first step in the
opposite direction Mark.
There is a method to our madness when it comes to rage or other
addictions and you can change Mark. We derive the following benefits
from participating in our various addictions. Besides masturbating.
pain from computer addiction and rage, see what else applies to your
efforts to escape the ugly life you have created for yourself.
1) Pain Reliever
Addictions help distract us from our pain. Most of this pain is
generated from an endless cycle of wrong living that produces more
pain and requires more drugging through the application of our
various
addictions to try and diminish the pain.
2 Pressure Relief
We use addictions to help blow off stream from stressed and
unbalanced
life we live though overextending ourselves to the point of breaking
by living a lifestyle of "jugglers syndrome" and by having too many
irons in the fire.
3) Time Filler
The devil finds work for idle hands - Thoreau. Many time I have heard
an addict say they went to their addiction out of boredom cause they
had nothing else to do to pass time.
4) Escape Vehicle
Addictions make great escape vehicles to distract us from our
problems
- most of what we have created for ourselves by living unbalanced
lives.
5) Pleasure Vehicle
As sensation addicts we like the sensation we get when we participate
in our addiction. It feels good to receive the brain chemicals or
high
I get when I participate in my drug of choice. In short, if it feels
good I over do it and keep doing it until it turns into pain - then
and only then I know I need to stop.
6) Mystical or Religious Experience
Yes, our addiction is our religion. All our addictions have pleasure
aspects within them and we get rewards for participating in them in
the form of euphoric experiences. Euphoric experience can be related
to the spiritual as well. The definition of a religious mystic is one
that partakes in an altered state of conciseness with the the
spiritual realm. Our addictions also give us this altered state of
consciousness and feeling of euphoria. So, we can say that our drugs
are our gods and our addiction is our religion. There is a reason to
our madness - it is not just pure madness as most addicts think.
7) Death Sentence
Finally, if all else fails - addictions are great killers and
destroyers of life. What benefit do we get from destruction? This is
good writing for your own inventory work.
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
"That number belongs to someone. And no matter how many times you put
it in your pathetic little posts, you will *NOT* be on the official
list. Period. Your "number" is meaningless."
V:
Yes, the number AA#2 does belong to someone...it belongs to me. You
may write up all the lists you wish to exclude me. Inactive numbers
get retired or reassigned all the time as this number did. But the
fact remains as of this day, I am AA member #2 at alt.atheism Mark. I
have been a member of this group since October of 2005. I have asked
for a member number at alt.athsim numerous times. You have refused
me,
only offering abusive remarks. It sounds like what you are speaking
of
is 'attachment' in your complaint...attachment to numbers and
attachment to prejudice. One number is as good as another with me
concerning this issue. As such I have adopted an inactive number.
That
member number is mine until I leave this group.
When we invest excessive time and energies in acquiring or building
attachments these attachments become veritable extensions of our
being
and come to define us for ourselves as well as define who we are for
others. When these attachments take on this role we become
susceptible
to pain via these extensions. If the person, place or thing we are
attached to gets rebuked it is a personal rebuke on us, if they get
damaged or defaced so goes the defacement and damage to our very
being.
It is hard to become full detached to ideas, for if we did we would
be
like a feather floating wherever the wind blew us and would pick up
any old idea with no firm grounding of what we perceive as right or
wrong. But, we can practice being open minded and look at ideas
without prejudice that we immediately hit ideas with. Learn to judge
other less. If you can detach from the ego of Mark K Bilbo, then you
can look at the world through non prejudicial eyes.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
10 Jul 2007 03:30:02 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1184097204.160390.174610@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Hi and
Ho! <Whack>
--
Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
10 Jul 2007 02:56:58 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrotesnip
Hiney
HO! <Whackthatmotherfuckerrightoutofthepark!!>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
10 Jul 2007 03:13:17 PM |
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I can tell you positively that NONE of my concepts of inner peace
came
from writing to people to tear them down -
Once again proving that you are not objective about yourself. V, you
are simply vindictive. You can fool yourself but you're not fooling
anyone else.
Ho and whack.
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| User: "V" |
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10 Jul 2007 07:02:06 PM |
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On Jul 10, 4:13?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can tell you positively that NONE of my concepts of inner peace
came
from writing to people to tear them down -
Once again proving that you are not objective about yourself. V, you
are simply vindictive. You can fool yourself but you're not fooling
anyone else.
Ho and whack.
No, I tear down no one Neil.
But I will defend myself.
I am not a cheek turning Christian Neil
Don't confuse self defense with attacking others.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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10 Jul 2007 07:22:41 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com>snip
No
Yes!
HO! <Whack!!>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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11 Jul 2007 10:27:51 AM |
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On Jul 10, 5:02 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 4:13?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can tell you positively that NONE of my concepts of inner peace
came
from writing to people to tear them down -
Once again proving that you are not objective about yourself. V, you
are simply vindictive. You can fool yourself but you're not fooling
anyone else.
Ho and whack.
No, I tear down no one Neil.
No, you attempt to tear down everyone, V.
But I will defend myself.
No you won't, you will continue to dodge when it comes to your self.
I am not a cheek turning Christian Neil
I know, V. You're a mind manacled Buddhist with beliefs in some local
deities who somehow thinks that makes you an agnostic with an atheist
ranking of #2.
Don't confuse self defense with attacking others.
I don't. You don't seem to know what vindictive means.
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| User: "raven1" |
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10 Jul 2007 10:51:23 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:02:06 -0700, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
But I will defend myself.
Has it occurred to you yet that *you* are the sole cause of all the
negative reactions you encounter?
HO! <whack!>
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Syd M." |
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11 Jul 2007 02:46:36 PM |
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On Jul 10, 11:51 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:02:06 -0700, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
But I will defend myself.
Has it occurred to you yet that *you* are the sole cause of all the
negative reactions you encounter?
Are you kidding? His ego is blocking his view..
HO! <whack!>
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PDW
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Jul 2007 08:20:59 AM |
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:51:23 -0400, raven1 wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:02:06 -0700, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
But I will defend myself.
Has it occurred to you yet that *you* are the sole cause of all the
negative reactions you encounter?
Never. Never will either.
He's that far gone...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Warned you we tried! Listen you did not! Now screwed
we will all be!"
http://www.sequentialpictures.com/moviestarwarsepisode3.html
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Jul 2007 07:55:38 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:02:06 -0700, V wrote:
No
HO! <WHACK>
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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11 Jul 2007 12:22:35 AM |
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V <vfr44@aol.com> writes:
On Jul 10, 4:13?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can tell you positively that NONE of my concepts of inner peace came
from writing to people to tear them down -
Once again proving that you are not objective about yourself. V, you
are simply vindictive. You can fool yourself but you're not fooling
anyone else.
Ho and whack.
No, I tear down no one Neil.
But I will defend myself.
I am not a cheek turning Christian Neil
Don't confuse self defense with attacking others.
Don't overlook the fact that some of us will return fire...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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12 Jul 2007 09:34:10 PM |
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V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in news:1184112126.058704.290070
@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
No, I tear
Ho! <whack!>
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Anyone who has begun to think places some portion of the world in
jeopardy."
-John Dewey
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| User: "BuddyThunder" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
11 Jul 2007 05:27:23 AM |
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V wrote:
<snip>
Don't confuse self defense with attacking others.
Don't confuse pseudo-philosophical mind-wank with truth.
<snip>
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
11 Jul 2007 09:53:11 AM |
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V wrote:
On Jul 10, 4:13?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can tell you positively that NONE of my concepts of inner peace
came
from writing to people to tear them down -
Once again proving that you are not objective about yourself. V, you
are simply vindictive. You can fool yourself but you're not fooling
anyone else.
Ho and whack.
No,
Yo! Ho! Ho! <whack>, a pirate's life for me.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
10 Jul 2007 04:03:54 PM |
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HO! <whack>
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
10 Jul 2007 04:06:25 PM |
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On 10 Jul., 21:53, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego.
*Normal* people, when faced with negative responses across an entire
group at
least consider that they may be the cause of the reaction. Your ego
is
bloated to the point of delusion, rendering you incapable of dealing
with social situations. You. Need. Help.
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
V:
Hi and thank you for your reply Mark.
I am sorry - I cannot help you with this matter Mark.
What's your problem?
Has it ever occured to you that you were full of *****?
That no one, I repeat, NO FUCKING ONE supports you? Or even cares for
you?
That, if you've already been banned from other discussion groups,
probably there's something wrong with you?
Do you even know the meaning of the word "modesty"?
What will it take to make you understand that you're so annoying that
we don't want you here?
You're annoying, you're a pretentious piece of ***** and the fact that
you spend an enormous amount of time sending your verbal diarhea every
fucking day is a clear sign that you're a pathetic loser. How about
changing a few things in your life so you can communicate with REAL
people instead?
Oh, and HO! *whack*
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| User: "Medusa" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
10 Jul 2007 06:02:11 PM |
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On Jul 10, 2:53 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego.
Yep. if you fell off your ego, you'd break your neck.
Oh, and. . .
HO! <whack>
Medusa
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| User: "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." |
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11 Jul 2007 04:18:02 AM |
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On Jul 10, 8:53 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo writes:
HO! <whack>
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| User: "raven1" |
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10 Jul 2007 10:47:08 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:53:24 -0700, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
I am sorry - I cannot help you with this matter Mark.
You cannot help anyone with anything until you deal with your own
problems that literally everyone except you is able to see.
HO! <whack!>
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Jul 2007 03:02:45 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:53:24 -0700, V wrote:
Hi
HO!!!! <WHACKATROLL>
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "V" |
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10 Jul 2007 06:57:29 PM |
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On Jul 10, 4:02 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:53:24 -0700, V wrote:
Hi
HO!!!! <WHACKATROLL>
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
Mark...Mark...Mark....we have been over these same complaints of yours
for close to 2 years now.
Now you are you are using the troll card again.
Atheists can't argue truth against me, so they argue personalties.
My posts are open for inspection at anytime and prove your claim
groundless.
When others send abuse my way with profane and vile remarks they are
not trolls -- yet when I answer just a few of these complaints I am
the troll.
Such is the tragedy of the mind manacled defiance based, spiritually
sick atheist.
Once the atheist at our forum offer something positive to discuss I
will do that. Until that time I make use of the tools at hand.
The bible tells us in Phillipians 4:11 "For I have learned in whatever
situation I find myself to be content. I am experienced in living low
and I know what it is to have abundance. I have learned how to cope
with every circumstance - how to eat well or go hungry, to be well
provided for or to do without."
While not perfect advice for all occasions, it is good to be mindful
of this concept of contentment whether religious minded or atheist.
As such, if atheists only offer negatives on our forum, I will discuss
those negatives and promote 'doing the opposite' of such atheists if
one desires to be at peace.
The prejudiced, blind, small minded thinker cannot entertain
freethought as they must block or censor the ideas and concepts before
testing them for truth. Their ego will not allow it! Such people do
not operate on truth, they operate on ego. this is why I am banned so
much. The difference between an authority and an authoritarian is
this. An authority speaks from a place of truth and such speaks as an
authority. Whereas an authoritarian rules by fear and not by truth.
For the truth stands on it own and the authoritarian stands on their
EGO. We all have to use our ego when making value judgments, but the
crossover come when the ego is used as a weapon.
The business of humanism is 'all our business' if we with to live life
at peace. I suggest you read the 'informal creed' of atheism that
discusses this topic.
(Snip)
"An Atheist loves his fellow man instead of god. An Atheist believes
that heaven is something for which we should work now - here on earth
for all men together to enjoy."
As such I ask if someone is thirsty and needs a drink when I see them
parched. And if I am mistaken, then no harm done. I leave them in
peace, but I do ask. We learn to think about others we can then see we
are all interdependent and not independent with all. Once you see this
balance you will realize that we all share the same breath and no need
to practice hatred or develop ill will towards others. It is much
better to develop compassion for others. For as we develop compassion
for others we develop peace within. This also helps me with keeping an
open mind for peace generators in my life. As such, I practice from
any spiritual tradition without problems or prejudices and readily
look for such gifts irrespective of what label they come under.
Let me give you a little background about myself and prejudice.
I have been on about 210 forums over the last 9 years and have been
banned from about 70% of them due to prejudice. The vast majority of
these forums have been dedicated to personal improvement as well as
spiritual studies.
Now with Christian forums it is 100% ban rate and Buddhist forums is
95% ban and atheist forums it is also about 95% ban.
You can see ignorance is universal 'human' in nature and just claiming
to be religious or not religious is more of a hindrance than not when
the subject turns to delusions and prejudice.
Psychologist William James once said, "A great many people believe
they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices."
Let me give you an example that has happened to me in the past.
In the bible it says "Test everything; hold fast to what is good;
abstain from every form of evil," (1 Thess. 5:21)
Taking from Christian, Buddhist and most other religions of the world
I discuss such tools in my posts no matter their source. When I talked
about this 'concept of testing' and related it to the Buddha's tool of
testing doctrine, but included this bible quote above, I was banned by
the Buddhists. Yet the Buddha also encouraged testing of his teachings
before adopting those teachings.
At a Christian forum, when I brought up the Buddha encourages testing
just as it was said in the bible, the Christian forums banned me.
Then at the atheist forums when I mention the Bible and the Buddha
both offered the tools of testing to help determine truth, the atheist
sites ban me.
Yet, all three groups like the idea of testing for truth, as long as
this idea comes from them and not from anyone else...many people
believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their
prejudices. Alan Watts use to say we define ourselves by our enemies.
We define ourselves by what we are not. He used the example of
'Beatniks and Squares' which were the in fad opposites back in his
day. So of course it is natural for these groups to view themselves as
polar opposites.
We should always be interested in finding truth and peace. If our way
is not working then some other way may help. It is good to test and
see the results and not get caught up in prejudice blocking the way.
For with such tests, 'the proof of the pudding will be in the eating'
and decisions on how to live will not be left only to your ego, but
will be grounded in peace.
You know as well as I how it is with you.
I answer one complaint then you never answer the complaint directly,
you call me liar or some filth and on an on.
I told you I am not one for idle speech.
When ego is injected in a discussion reality takes a back seat
But, I make no demands.
If they prefer ego to truth so be it.
I just work with 'what is' Mark while planting seeds of inner peace.
Taoists remind us..."fleas come with the dog" Mark.
And in your case...prejudice and hatred comes with the Bilbo
If you are lonely, join a social club or something, but I can no
longer take part in your twisted way of life.
I really do have a life to live myself and can't play your games any
longer...so just read my previous replies until you can discuss things
rationally and as an adult Mark.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/0beff46cf94c6b87/abeb02cdfc6cd4dc#abeb02cdfc6cd4dc
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/ff0a1066c491c755/9210b38ae16d6d51#9210b38ae16d6d51
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/e68c16f92e062cf4/9350d0510f2b8663#9350d0510f2b8663
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/f3f9e0bd8a9040d1/4dc8a29f6b86c282#4dc8a29f6b86c282
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/ca71cd2f6419f882/b375db6ac36589f5#b375db6ac36589f5
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/72d914b771864c78/302624371fbe2af2#302624371fbe2af2
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/125b41aa8fd2b87b/cf400bdf88ba1701?lnk=gst&q=conundrum&rnum=7&hl=en#cf400bdf88ba1701
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/a0ab574ec4bee467/a4798eb5536ea870#a4798eb5536ea870
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/bcba421e97b0418e/4a0eb7ecef17d12b#4a0eb7ecef17d12b
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/9a34728f2cedf383/2e1493ae9db2b2a8?lnk=gst&q=The+official+thread+for+Michele+to+issue+a+recognized+AA%23+to+V+in&rnum=1&hl=en#2e1493ae9db2b2a8
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/22288e1d37d857f9/736b6bc3b93e79f9#736b6bc3b93e79f9
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/e7d13a7e1606f492/9711b9f6843ea117#9711b9f6843ea117
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/e77181f1188b4804/8d580376205a536b?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/327805fdd9caec99/c99a0e01b4947eca?hl=en#c99a0e01b4947eca
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/2042fafbcd7cd989/0a81831a64c51310?lnk=st&q=&rnum=13#0a81831a64c51310
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/69a610dcc07e627f/88e6988f049aaf20?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2#88e6988f049aaf20
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/46c4cf6f246ad13a/665440450ffa858b?lnk=st&q=&rnum=8#665440450ffa858b
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/7696f87e00ad0ec/7802f8f532927fa5?lnk=st&q=&rnum=22#7802f8f532927fa5
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/703ea1cf22d5fab6/80d8fe433fcee83b?lnk=st&q=&rnum=27#80d8fe433fcee83b
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/39f976615cd6596d/e8efc585448a8988?lnk=st&q=&rnum=29#e8efc585448a8988
I suggest you print out these posts below to digest at your
leisure...away from the stress of the computer and the need to show
off for your friends Mark
http://www.csis.hku.hk/~bruce/water75.html
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=470.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=63.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=8.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=91.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=380.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=342.0
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
10 Jul 2007 06:58:58 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote snip
Mark...
that spot with an "X"
HO! <Whack!!>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
10 Jul 2007 10:10:57 PM |
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On Jul 10, 7:57 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 4:02 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:53:24 -0700, V wrote:
Hi
HO!!!! <WHACKATROLL>
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
Mark...Mark...Mark....we have been over these same complaints of yours
for close to 2 years now.
Now you are you are using the troll card again.
Atheists can't argue truth against me, so they argue personalties.
You're insane. Go have a beer or something.
Olrik
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
10 Jul 2007 10:47:38 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:57:29 -0700, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
Mark...Ma
HO! <whack!>
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
10 Jul 2007 07:55:23 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:57:29 -0700, V wrote:
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HO! <SCHMACK>
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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| User: "JohnN" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
10 Jul 2007 08:47:34 PM |
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On Jul 10, 8:55 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:57:29 -0700, V wrote:
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HO! <SCHMACK>
Bubalah, you Ho! Schmack the little schmuck's schwanzstucker but good.
JohnN
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Jul 2007 08:21:18 AM |
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:47:34 +0000, JohnN wrote:
On Jul 10, 8:55 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:57:29 -0700, V wrote:
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HO! <SCHMACK>
Bubalah, you Ho! Schmack the little schmuck's schwanzstucker but good.
Wait a minnut, he *had one?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "JohnN" |
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11 Jul 2007 08:59:17 PM |
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On Jul 11, 9:21 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:47:34 +0000, JohnN wrote:
On Jul 10, 8:55 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:57:29 -0700, V wrote:
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HO! <SCHMACK>
Bubalah, you Ho! Schmack the little schmuck's schwanzstucker but good.
Wait a minnut, he *had one?
So tiny, so tiny his mama cried for her little honey dumpling.
JohnN
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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12 Jul 2007 07:27:29 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:59:17 +0000, JohnN wrote:
On Jul 11, 9:21 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:47:34 +0000, JohnN wrote:
On Jul 10, 8:55 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:57:29 -0700, V wrote:
M
HO! <SCHMACK>
Bubalah, you Ho! Schmack the little schmuck's schwanzstucker but
good.
Wait a minnut, he *had one?
So tiny, so tiny his mama cried for her little honey dumpling.
Was it an innie or an outie?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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| Title: Re: Mark K. Bilbo writes: "Damn (V) you have a monstrous ego. |
12 Jul 2007 02:09:04 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:27:29 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:59:17 +0000, JohnN wrote:
On Jul 11, 9:21 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:47:34 +0000, JohnN wrote:
On Jul 10, 8:55 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:57:29 -0700, V wrote:
M
HO! <SCHMACK>
Bubalah, you Ho! Schmack the little schmuck's schwanzstucker but
good.
Wait a minnut, he *had one?
So tiny, so tiny his mama cried for her little honey dumpling.
Was it an innie or an outie?
They couldn't tell.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar*
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