Many persons that have created ugly lives for themselves via hate and
bigotry take the detour and die on the journey as well.

Mark K Bilbo writes: "You're such an idiot. (V) I "host" the website.

Nobody "hosts" the newsgroup. This is Usenet dolt."

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

V:

Thank you for your comments Mark.

Mark K Bilbo writes: "You're such an idiot. (V) I "host" the website.

Nobody "hosts" the newsgroup. This is Usenet dolt."

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

V:

Thank you for your comments Mark.

From:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_K._Bilbo

"Bilbo is the host and operator of alt-atheism.org, which is the
official site of the alt.atheism Usenet newsgroup."

If the wiki is wrong them correct wrong speech with right speech Mark.

Of course, you can't since you life is based on lies and hatred, so
you succumb to filth and personal attacks on others whom you have no
argument factual against.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/27_12_20...

It is an old ploy, argumentum ad hominem, attacking the person
presenting the argument rather than the argument itself.

And when you fail, you pull out the 'troll card 'or the 'argumentum ad
populum' line of Bilbo reasoning.

....My discussion of this topic from an earlier post.

Mark K. Bilbo writes
.
"You're not very bright (V)"

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

V:

Thank you for your reply Mark.

There was a discussion on another list about developing wisdom. In my
own life, experiential education and desire for change and inner peace
helped develop wisdom. William Blake summed this up, "The road of
excess leads to the palace of wisdom" Unfortunately, some people never
get to their destination and die on the journey.

Many persons that have created ugly lives for themselves via hate and
bigotry take the detour and die on the journey as well. I hope you are
able to get to the palace of wisdom someday. For your sake as well as
the sake of the countless others humans you have touched negatively
over the years.

Wisdom is a most important quality to develop if one desires to live a
life at peace. But before we can develop wisdom, we must be able to
think rationally. All these qualities are related. Seeing things
clearly is a byproduct of being at peace and developing wisdom.

Applying wisdom to our actions yields peace and being at peace allows
rational thought. But just applying rational thought alone does not
equal wisdom or peace.

It must being tough being you.

You operate by hatred and prejudice and have no foundation in truth.

Whatever I submit must be torn down and disagreed with as to do
otherwise would destroy your sense of ego.

Since you cannot tear down what I write about as false, you work to
tear down me.

But that will not work since my self worth is not based on what you or
anyone thinks of me as my self worth is based on truth.

At the end of my posts, I list myself as 'practical philosopher.'

You see, I try to practice what I preach, Remember ..."A wise mans
knows what he says and a fool only says what he knows."

I am not a theoretical philosopher, So I know it works from practical
application.

On and on you go each day harboring hatred and destruction in your
soul with no hope for change.

If I could change you I would, but am not God. Only change can come
from you.

This change can either be negative or positive, but one thing is
sure...change will come about in your life.

You will either increase the hatred and ill will or decrease it and
replace it with compassion, gratitude and inner peace.

But again, the choice is only yours and no on can do it for you.

The first step in the direction for change is to apologize for all the
damage you have done in your prior life of destroying others.

You can start this instant by going back the best you can and changing
the wrongs you have committed against others in your old life.

This will destroy your old ego and create a new you, one that is
rooted in compassion for others and not rooted in destruction of inner
peace.

When we get rid of one thing it makes room for something new to enter.

Whenever we meet others we can tend to pigeon hole these individuals
into the following 3 groups.

The person is either judged better than us or an equal to us or below
us. This is an area I work to be mindful of and reduce it and not
promote it, for it stems from the ego.

What helps me is to practice humility, practice compassion by looking
for insight into the other person suffering and to see these types of
judgments as ego based and not useful and to nip them I the bud when
they pop up.

(My earlier post entitled "Interdependent With All " goes into more
detail on this subject of releasing our egocentric nature, if you
missed it and want a copy write me.)

A helpful slogan I use with reference to discrimination is: "Live and
Let Live."

It comes from my 12 step background and it reminds me of accepting
balance and diversity in the world and also governs the law that
states; just as I enjoy the right to do and exist as I like, this
freedom must be extended to others as well if I am to enjoy it.

I am sorry, but I cannot help you with this matter of hatred other
than to point you in the right direction. The issues you mention stem
from your own personal prejudices. All problems are created in the
mind. These are just such issues that bother you but do not bother me
and you have to come to peace with them for yourself.

May I suggest you search your own mind for the answer, instead of
seeking destroy others with abusive remarks. I can tell you positively
that NONE of my concepts of inner peace came from writing to people to
tear them down - so maybe you can profit from my experience in this
area and try another way to build up your sell esteem by a different
method?

The God of Nature decided to balance the world with diversity.

Some of us are better at one thing and some at other things. In your
case. you may have great knowledge in academics or computers lets say,
but as we can see from your posts you are bankrupt when the topic
turns to inner peace.

How can you give away what you do not have within? Just as the cobra
spews poison and dung has it stench, the spiritually sick individual
knows only ill will. So it is natural for you to share your spiritual
sickness with others.

You can change of course, but it takes hard work. In the end, the
choice will be yours and your alone and I can tell you flat out inner
peace has nothing to do with brightness or academics as you are proof
positive of.

See:

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D4.0

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D327.0

When destructive emotions take over our lives, we can practice
compassion as a measure to counter these emotions. Hate and compassion
cannot coexist. So if the choice is to foster hatred for another and
in turn rot my insides as well as hurt another person.

Or develop compassion for another and promote peace within them as
well as peace within myself. I make the choice to promote well being
and peace instead of destruction and hate. We can do this by working
to develop insight into the other persons suffering and condition.

I also develop compassion through the practice of equanimity and by
using metta. As a person suffering from anger and rage I find this
practice of compassion very helpful in developing peace.

Maybe something useful in your reviewing "The Affirmations of
Humanism: A Statement of Principles"

=B7 We are committed to the application of reason and science to the
understanding of the universe and to the solving of human problems.

=B7 We deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, to seek to
explain the world in supernatural terms, and to look outside nature
for salvation.

=B7 We believe that scientific discovery and technology can contribute
to the betterment of human life.

=B7 We believe in an open and pluralistic society and that democracy is
the best guarantee of protecting human rights from authoritarian
elites and repressive majorities.

=B7 We are committed to the principle of the separation of church and
state.

=B7 We cultivate the arts of negotiation and compromise as a means of
resolving differences and achieving mutual understanding.

=B7 We are concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and
with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.

=B7 We believe in supporting the disadvantaged and the handicapped so
that they will be able to help themselves.

=B7 We attempt to transcend divisive parochial loyalties based on race,
religion, gender, nationality, creed, class, sexual orientation, or
ethnicity, and strive to work together for the common good of
humanity.

=B7 We want to protect and enhance the earth, to preserve it for future
generations, and to avoid inflicting needless suffering on other
species.

=B7 We believe in enjoying life here and now and in developing our
creative talents to their fullest.

=B7 We believe in the cultivation of moral excellence.

=B7 We respect the right to privacy. Mature adults should be allowed to
fulfill their aspirations, to express their sexual preferences, to
exercise reproductive freedom, to have access to comprehensive and
informed health-care, and to die with dignity.

=B7 We believe in the common moral decencies: altruism, integrity,
honesty, truthfulness, responsibility. Humanist ethics is amenable to
critical, rational guidance. There are normative standards that we
discover together. Moral principles are tested by their consequences.

=B7 We are deeply concerned with the moral education of our children. We
want to nourish reason and compassion.

=B7 We are engaged by the arts no less than by the sciences.

=B7 We are citizens of the universe and are excited by discoveries still
to be made in the cosmos.

=B7 We are skeptical of untested claims to knowledge, and we are open to
novel ideas and seek new departures in our thinking.

=B7 We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of
despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal
significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others.

=B7 We believe in optimism rather than pessimism, hope rather than
despair, learning in the place of dogma, truth instead of ...

read more =BB

V:

Thank you for your comments Mark.

From:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_K._Bilbo

"Bilbo is the host and operator of alt-atheism.org, which is the
official site of the alt.atheism Usenet newsgroup."


If the wiki is wrong them correct wrong speech with right speech Mark.

Of course, you can't since you life is based on lies and hatred, so
you succumb to filth and personal attacks on others whom you have no
argument factual against.

Mark K Bilbo writes: "You're such an idiot. (V) I "host" the website.
Nobody "hosts" the newsgroup. This is Usenet dolt."

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

V:

Thank you for your comments Mark.

From:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_K._Bilbo

"Bilbo is the host and operator of alt-atheism.org, which is the
official site of the alt.atheism Usenet newsgroup."

If the wiki is wrong them correct wrong speech with right speech Mark.

Of course, you can't since you life is based on lies and hatred, so you
succumb to filth and personal attacks on others whom you have no
argument factual against.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/

It is an old ploy, argumentum ad hominem, attacking the person
presenting the argument rather than the argument itself.

And when you fail, you pull out the 'troll card 'or the 'argumentum ad
populum' line of Bilbo reasoning.

....My discussion of this topic from an earlier post.


Mark K. Bilbo writes
.
"You're not very bright (V)"

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

V:

Many persons that have created ugly lives for themselves via hate and
bigotry take the detour and die on the journey as well.

It must being tough being you.

You operate by hatred and prejudice and have no foundation in truth.

Whatever I submit must be torn down and disagreed with as to do
otherwise would destroy your sense of ego.

Since you cannot tear down what I write about as false, you work to tear
down me.

But that will not work since my self worth is not based on what you or
anyone thinks of me as my self worth is based on truth.

Feel free to write me my friend if you would like to discuss any of this
in private, away from the stress of the list.

Mark K Bilbo writes: "You're such an idiot. (V) I "host" the website.
Nobody "hosts" the newsgroup. This is Usenet dolt."

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

V:

Thank you for your comments Mark.

From:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_K._Bilbo

"Bilbo is the host and operator of alt-atheism.org, which is the
official site of the alt.atheism Usenet newsgroup."


If the wiki is wrong them correct wrong speech with right speech Mark.

Of course, you can't since you life is based on lies and hatred, so
you succumb to filth and personal attacks on others whom you have no
argument factual against.