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"Robert Schneider" |
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02 Jul 2004 10:56:36 AM |
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Marlon Brando - actor and atheist |
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
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I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
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| User: "Kathy" |
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03 Jul 2004 10:43:30 AM |
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"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:UAfFc.2487$R36.1971@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
--
I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Did his atheism come later in life? Otherwise, why on earth would an
atheist name his son "Christian"?
Kathy aa #1802 - who remembers Brando from his early career when he was hot
and steamy, and prefers it that way.
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| User: "Andrew Lias" |
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06 Jul 2004 03:36:03 PM |
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"Kathy" <k.knight@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<CuAFc.694987$Ar.188641@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:UAfFc.2487$R36.1971@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
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I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Did his atheism come later in life? Otherwise, why on earth would an
atheist name his son "Christian"?
If I were to ever have a daughter, I would be partial to the name
Angela. I would hope that no one would construe this as an
endorsement for believing in angels.
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Andrew Lias
http://andrewlias.blogspot.com
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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06 Jul 2004 04:35:22 PM |
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Did his atheism come later in life? Otherwise, why on earth would an
atheist name his son "Christian"?
If I were to ever have a daughter, I would be partial to the name
Angela. I would hope that no one would construe this as an
endorsement for believing in angels.
The names of my two children are Joshua and David yet I do not subscribe to the
genocidal tendencies of their namesakes in the Bible.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "JTEM" |
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06 Jul 2004 04:50:30 PM |
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"Lord Calvert" <forlornh@aol.complicated> wrote
The names of my two children are Joshua and David yet I
do not subscribe to the genocidal tendencies of their
namesakes in the Bible.
You're no fun!
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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03 Jul 2004 05:57:31 PM |
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In article <CuAFc.694987$Ar.188641
@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
says...
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:UAfFc.2487$R36.1971@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
--
I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Did his atheism come later in life? Otherwise, why on earth would an
atheist name his son "Christian"?
To the best of my knowledge, he wasn't an atheist. The belief
that he was comes from his son's manslaughter trial where he
refused to take his oath on the bible. The thing is, I remember
seeing that on the news (or somewhere) and what he said was
something like "I don't want to swear on the bible, because,
although I do believe in god, I do so in a different way than
others." I think labeling him an atheist is erroneous.
--
Greg
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greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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| User: "Desdinova" |
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03 Jul 2004 06:07:16 PM |
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"Gregory A Greenman" <see@sig.below> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b50f5e7c135db789896bf@netnews.comcast.net...
In article <CuAFc.694987$Ar.188641
@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
says...
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:UAfFc.2487$R36.1971@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
--
I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other
of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Did his atheism come later in life? Otherwise, why on earth would an
atheist name his son "Christian"?
To the best of my knowledge, he wasn't an atheist. The belief
that he was comes from his son's manslaughter trial where he
refused to take his oath on the bible. The thing is, I remember
seeing that on the news (or somewhere) and what he said was
something like "I don't want to swear on the bible, because,
although I do believe in god, I do so in a different way than
others." I think labeling him an atheist is erroneous.
He sounds like a Deist.
--
Desdinova aa #2182
EAC Director of Separation of Church and Brain
"Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human
nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth
unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion
of the human race has ever been expressed."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
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| User: "Eric Pepke" |
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03 Jul 2004 09:58:30 PM |
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Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b50f5e7c135db789896bf@netnews.comcast.net>...
I think labeling him an atheist is erroneous.
Probably. "Freethinker" might be appropriate, though.
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| User: "Robert Schneider" |
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03 Jul 2004 06:58:40 PM |
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[snip]
Did his atheism come later in life? Otherwise, why on earth would an
atheist name his son "Christian"?
To the best of my knowledge, he wasn't an atheist. The belief
that he was comes from his son's manslaughter trial where he
refused to take his oath on the bible. The thing is, I remember
seeing that on the news (or somewhere) and what he said was
something like "I don't want to swear on the bible, because,
although I do believe in god, I do so in a different way than
others." I think labeling him an atheist is erroneous.
The sources that I have found quote/paraphrase him differently.
http://www.positiveatheist.com/Writings/marlonbrando.shtml
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000008/bio
http://www.fundraising-ideas.org/orgs/churches/actors.htm
Ans so forth...still looking for a site that has the actual "quote".
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Jul 2004 06:05:05 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:43:30 +0000 in episode
<CuAFc.694987$Ar.188641@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com> we saw
our hero "Kathy" <k.knight@rogers.com>:
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:UAfFc.2487$R36.1971@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
--
I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe. -William
Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Did his atheism come later in life? Otherwise, why on earth would an
atheist name his son "Christian"?
Because it's a nice name?
(I actually kinda like it myself)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "Desdinova" |
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03 Jul 2004 06:10:04 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.03.23.05.05.56137@lid_email.no...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:43:30 +0000 in episode
<CuAFc.694987$Ar.188641@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com> we saw
our hero "Kathy" <k.knight@rogers.com>:
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:UAfFc.2487$R36.1971@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
--
I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe. -William
Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Did his atheism come later in life? Otherwise, why on earth would an
atheist name his son "Christian"?
Because it's a nice name?
(I actually kinda like it myself)
My middle name is Christopher, meaning (Christ-bearer). How ironic that is
now!
--
Desdinova aa #2182
EAC Director of Separation of Church and Brain
"Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human
nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth
unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion
of the human race has ever been expressed."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Jul 2004 10:18:12 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:10:04 +0000 in episode
<g1HFc.182738$DG4.145619@fe2.columbus.rr.com> we saw our hero "Desdinova"
<desdinova@nodamnspam.com>:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.03.23.05.05.56137@lid_email.no...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:43:30 +0000 in episode
<CuAFc.694987$Ar.188641@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com> we saw
our hero "Kathy" <k.knight@rogers.com>:
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:UAfFc.2487$R36.1971@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
--
I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other
of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Did his atheism come later in life? Otherwise, why on earth would an
atheist name his son "Christian"?
Because it's a nice name?
(I actually kinda like it myself)
My middle name is Christopher, meaning (Christ-bearer). How ironic that
is
now!
You got me beat. I was named after St. Mark...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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04 Jul 2004 09:24:12 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.07.04.03.18.11.832027@lid_email.no>, Mark K. Bilbo says...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:10:04 +0000 in episode
<g1HFc.182738$DG4.145619@fe2.columbus.rr.com> we saw our hero "Desdinova"
<desdinova@nodamnspam.com>:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.03.23.05.05.56137@lid_email.no...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:43:30 +0000 in episode
<CuAFc.694987$Ar.188641@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com> we saw
our hero "Kathy" <k.knight@rogers.com>:
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:UAfFc.2487$R36.1971@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
--
I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other
of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Did his atheism come later in life? Otherwise, why on earth would an
atheist name his son "Christian"?
Because it's a nice name?
(I actually kinda like it myself)
My middle name is Christopher, meaning (Christ-bearer). How ironic that
is
now!
You got me beat. I was named after St. Mark...
I got you both beat - I was named after a famous English outlaw ;)
Um, that or a bird.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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05 Jul 2004 02:16:10 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:24:12 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <pan.2004.07.04.03.18.11.832027@lid_email.no>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:10:04 +0000 in episode
<g1HFc.182738$DG4.145619@fe2.columbus.rr.com> we saw our hero
"Desdinova" <desdinova@nodamnspam.com>:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.03.23.05.05.56137@lid_email.no...
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:43:30 +0000 in episode
<CuAFc.694987$Ar.188641@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com> we
saw our hero "Kathy" <k.knight@rogers.com>:
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in
message
news:UAfFc.2487$R36.1971@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
--
I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many
other of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Did his atheism come later in life? Otherwise, why on earth would
an atheist name his son "Christian"?
Because it's a nice name?
(I actually kinda like it myself)
My middle name is Christopher, meaning (Christ-bearer). How ironic
that is
now!
You got me beat. I was named after St. Mark...
I got you both beat - I was named after a famous English outlaw ;)
Um, that or a bird.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
How about this for naming coincidences. This past weekend we took a drive
to Mt Macedon in Victoria, Australia. We read on a plaque that the first
European to reach the summit was Major Mitchell, Surveyor General of the
colony of New South Wales. He climbed the peak (About 1000M) in the hopes
of catching sight of Port Philip Bay, named for Arthur Philip, Governor of
NSW. He named in Mt Macedon, because at that instant he thought of Philip
of Macedon, father of Alexander the Great.
My name is Phillip, my oldest son's name is Alexander (partly for the
historical relationship) and my younger son's name is....Mitchell.
phillip brown
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05 Jul 2004 12:11:24 PM |
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In article <pan.2004.07.05.07.16.05.907337@netscape.net>, Phillip Brown
says...snip
How about this for naming coincidences. This past weekend we took a drive
to Mt Macedon in Victoria, Australia. We read on a plaque that the first
European to reach the summit was Major Mitchell, Surveyor General of the
colony of New South Wales. He climbed the peak (About 1000M) in the hopes
of catching sight of Port Philip Bay, named for Arthur Philip, Governor of
NSW. He named in Mt Macedon, because at that instant he thought of Philip
of Macedon, father of Alexander the Great.
My name is Phillip, my oldest son's name is Alexander (partly for the
historical relationship) and my younger son's name is....Mitchell.
Wow, interesting - Even if it does sound a little "Kansan" :)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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03 Jul 2004 03:10:02 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:43:30 GMT, "Kathy" <k.knight@rogers.com> wrote:
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:UAfFc.2487$R36.1971@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
--
I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Did his atheism come later in life? Otherwise, why on earth would an
atheist name his son "Christian"?
It would be rather difficult to talk or write at all if one removed
every word that had a religious association of some kind. Maybe
Brando just liked the name. Very likely it had something to do with
"Mr. Christian"
Kathy aa #1802 - who remembers Brando from his early career when he was hot
and steamy, and prefers it that way.
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04 Jul 2004 03:28:58 AM |
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"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message news:<UAfFc.2487$R36.1971@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
Celebrity Atheist List
http://www.celebatheists.com/
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04 Jul 2004 12:42:28 PM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0407040028.6cc1723f@posting.google.com>...
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message news:<UAfFc.2487$R36.1971@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
Celebrity Atheist List
http://www.celebatheists.com/
http://www.dickstaub.com/culturewatch.php?record_id=709
STAUBLOG: Brando's way.
July 2nd, 2004
In Edward Jones National Book award-winning novel, "This Known World,"
a central character embraces a life philosophy articulated by Milton
in "Paradise Lost": "I'd rather rule in hell than serve in heaven."
I thought of that line when I read Psalm 84 today: "A day in thy
courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the
house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness."
These contrasting views of life and reality came into focus when
applied to Marlon Brando whose death was announced today.
Brando's brilliance was fueled by an inner turmoil, fierce
independence and exterior life marked by combativeness and conflict.
As the AP reports: "His image was a studio's nightmare. Millions of
words were written about his weight, his many romances and three
marriages, his tireless — and, for some, tiresome — support of the
American Indian and other causes, his battles with film producers and
directors, his refuge on a Tahitian isle. His most famous act of
rebellion was his refusal in 1973 to accept the best actor Oscar for
"The Godfather." Instead, he sent a woman who called herself Sasheen
Littlefeather to read a diatribe about Hollywood's treatment of Native
Americans."
AP goes on to report: "Brando's private life turned tragic years later
with his son's conviction for killing the boyfriend of his half
sister, Cheyenne Brando, in 1990. Five years later, Cheyenne committed
suicide, still depressed over the killing. Still, the undying
spotlight never made him conform. "I am myself," he once declared,
"and if I have to hit my head against a brick wall to remain true to
myself, I will do it."
Brando persisted in the proud & rebellious "I did it my way" despite a
personal life darkened by murder, suicide, broken relationships and
alcoholism. Or did he? Read this report about his son's trial. "Before
the sentencing, Marlon Brando delivered an hour of rambling testimony
in which he said he and his ex-wife had failed Christian. He commented
softly to members of the Drollet family: "I'm sorry. ... If I could
trade places with Dag, I would. I'm prepared for the consequences."
If this was sincere repentance Dag's family refused to believe it.
"Afterward, Drollet's father said he thought Marlon Brando was acting
and his son was "getting away with murder."
Bigger than life and now dead, Brando seems to be a tragic story of
willful rebellion, a conscious decision to rule in hell rather than
serve in heaven, and the tragic consequences that follow "doing it my
way." He died lonely, isolated, a bloated, wasted caricature of the
dynamo that once ruled on stage and off. AS NYT reports: "his erratic
career, obstinate eccentricities and recurring tragedies prevented him
from fully realizing the promise of his early genius."
In one of "the great artist's" (GOD) counterintuitive truths, our
greatest genius is realized by finding the flow of God's will, not in
the obstinate imposition of our own will. Whether a famous persona
flashed on the screen or one of countless unknown players on small
private stages, the themes are the same as those outlined to the
children of Israel on God's behalf in Deuteronomy 30: "Surely, this
commandment that I am commanding you today is not too hard for you,
nor is it too far away. It is not in heaven, that you should say, "Who
will go up to heaven for us, and get it for us so that we may hear it
and observe it?" Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say,
"Who will cross to the other side of the sea for us, and get it for us
so that we may hear it and observe it?" No, the word is very near to
you; it is in your mouth and in your heart for you to observe.
See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, death and
adversity. If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God that I am
commanding you today, by loving the Lord your God, walking in his
ways, and observing his commandments, decrees, and ordinances, then
you shall live and become numerous, and the Lord your God will bless
you in the land that you are entering to possess. But if your heart
turns away and you do not hear, but are led astray to bow down to
other gods and serve them, I declare to you today that you shall
perish."
Brando? I do not know the inner state or stages of his journey.
Everyone passes through trials willfully imposed and the fortunate
among us turn to God for His endless supplies of grace. It is my
fervent prayer that I not be found guilty of casting stones at others,
but instead that I will lavishly thank God for his manifest blessings
on all unworthy and wretched sinners, beginning with me.
Yours for the pursuit of God in the company of friends, ***** Staub.
PS. And remember, "these are the best of times and the worst of times,
but they are the only times we have." (For Now).
If you have comments regarding this column please contact us at:
* CultureWatch:
©CRS Communications 7/2/04
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http://www.dickstaub.com [July 2]
At his son Christian's murder trial a few years ago, Brando refused to
take a religious oath, stating that he is an atheist.
Marlon Brando http://www.celebatheists.com/entries/atheist_3.html#5
July 3rd, 2004
America has lost its leading film star. He was the best. As far as I'm
concerned, he was also a very good friend. The world will miss him.
James Garner, on death of Marlon Brando, ABC News July 2nd, 2004
When I lie on the beach there naked, which I do sometimes, and I feel
the wind coming over me and I see the stars up above,'' he said. ``And
I am looking into this very deep, indescribable night, it is something
that escapes my vocabulary to describe. Then I think, God, I have no
importance, whatever I do or don't do, or what anybody does, is not
more important than the grains of sand that I am lying on, or the
coconut that I am using for my pillow. So I really don't think in the
long sense.
Marlon Brando, explaining to Larry King Live why he loved Tahiti, NYT
Obit July 2nd, 2004
When you are a child who is unwanted or unwelcome, and the essence of
what you are seems to be unacceptable, you look for an identity that
will be acceptable...I suppose the story of my life is a search for
love. But more than that, I have been looking for a way to repair
myself from the damages I suffered early on and to define my
obligation, if I had any, to myself and my species. [Mr. Brando was
born in 1924 in Omaha. In his 1994 autobiography, ``Songs My Mother
Taught Me,'' he described a painful childhood. His father, Marlon
Brando Sr., was an abusive alcoholic, he said, who never seemed to
find anything good to say about his only son. His mother, Dorothy
Pennebaker Brando, was also an alcoholic, he said, more interested in
drinking than in caring for her family.] ``
Marlon Brando NYT Obit July 2nd, 2004
I am myself and if I have to hit my head against a brick wall to
remain true to myself, I will do it.
Marlon Brando AP July 2nd, 2004
I'm sorry. ... If I could trade places with Dag, I would. I'm prepared
for the consequences. (Following an hour of rambling testimony in
which he said he and his ex-wife had failed Christian, he delivered
this apology softly to members of the Drollet family ) [ In May 1990,
Brando's first son, Christian, shot and killed Dag Drollet, 26, the
Tahitian lover of Christian's half sister Cheyenne, at the family's
hilltop home above Beverly Hills. Christian, 31, claimed the shooting
was accidental. After a heavily publicized trial, Christian was found
guilty of voluntary manslaughter and use of a gun. He was sentenced to
10 years.] Afterward, Drollet's father said he thought Marlon Brando
was acting and his son was "getting away with murder." The tragedy was
compounded in 1995, when Cheyenne, said to still be depressed over
Drollet's death, committed suicide. She was 25.
Marlon Brando AP July 2nd, 2004
You could write a whole chapter on the ways he could make people feel
uncomfortable. [What made Mr. Brando different from previous Method
actors like Montgomery Clift, Mr. Brodkey wrote, was the way he
taunted and unsettled the audience.]
Peter Manso,an early acting colleague quoted by the Brando biographer
.. NYT Obit July 2nd, 2004
Marlon Brando, the rebellious prodigy who electrified a generation and
forever transformed the art of screen acting, yet whose erratic
career, obstinate eccentricities and recurring tragedies prevented him
from fully realizing the promise of his early genius, is dead. He was
80.
Rick Lyman NYT Obit July 2nd, 2004
Acting is the least mysterious of all crafts. Whenever we want
something from somebody or when we want to hide something or pretend,
we're acting. Most people do it all day long... If a studio offered to
pay me as much to sweep the floor as it did to act, I'd sweep the
floor. There isn't anything that pays you as well as acting while you
decide what the hell you're going to do with yourself. Who cares about
the applause? Do I need applause to feel good about myself?
MArlon Brando NYT Obit July 2nd, 2004
His silences, even more than his speeches, are completely arresting.
Through his own intense concentration on what he is thinking or doing
at each moment he is on the stage, all our attention focuses on him.
Brando's quality is one of acute sensitivity.
Harold Clurman, the critic wrote in 1948, NYT Obit July 2nd, 2004
Nobody, nothing, no amount of money can make him behave. He's got to
be his own master, even though he may not yet have mastered himself.''
. The Times Magazine profile of Brando in 1954, NYT Obit July 2nd,
2004
The only reason I'm here is that I don't yet have the moral courage to
turn down the money.
Marlon Brando, attitude about Hollywood, NYT Obit July 2nd, 2004
I have come to despise my father for the way he ignored me when I was
a child. [Mr. Brando, who had frequently spoken of his own sense of
abandonment as a child, was accused by Cheyenne of doing the same to
her.]
Cheyenne Brando NYT Obit July 2nd, 2004
In this culture, money is every- thing. Money is God. Money is our
religion. And, it determines everything we do. (October 1994)
Marlon Brando Larry King July 3rd, 2004
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05 Jul 2004 06:40:57 AM |
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(David Buckna) wrote in alt.atheism
His most famous act of rebellion was his refusal in 1973 to accept
the best actor Oscar for "The Godfather." Instead, he sent a woman
who called herself Sasheen Littlefeather to read a diatribe about
Hollywood's treatment of Native Americans."
Wow, that was pretty ballsy.
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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05 Jul 2004 06:59:02 AM |
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On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:40:57 GMT in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis (Elroy
Willis <elo@airmail.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
dabuckna@direct.ca (David Buckna) wrote in alt.atheism
His most famous act of rebellion was his refusal in 1973 to accept
the best actor Oscar for "The Godfather." Instead, he sent a woman
who called herself Sasheen Littlefeather to read a diatribe about
Hollywood's treatment of Native Americans."
Wow, that was pretty ballsy.
Perhaps not. As it says here
http://www.newsoftheodd.com/article1027.html
[...]
Hollywood was momentarily stunned, but almost immediately went on the
offensive. Littlefeather was trivialized as a "gentle-voiced Apache
maiden ... in shining braids, explaining as best she could why the
most honoured actor of the year was letting the chalice pass." Brando
was accused of manipulating the press by, as John Wayne put it,
"taking some little unknown girl and dressing her up in an Indian
outfit." And then the media discovered that Littlefeather was an
actress, whose birth name was Maria Cruz, and who had been Miss
American Vampire in 1970. She was immediately labeled a "faux Apache,"
and is now largely remembered as an embarrassing footnote to the
otherwise glorious tale of Oscar.
The truth about Sacheen Littlefeather is more complex, though. While
Hollywood might have questioned her qualifications, she is, in fact,
Native American: part Apache, part Yaqui, part Pueblo and part
Caucasian. "Littlefeather" is a name she used professionally, and
still uses today. Her brief notoriety did result in a few film roles,
and an appearance in Playboy, but her career did not last long. She
has never given up her activism (indeed, she credits her mention of
Wounded Knee with bringing her to the attention of the FBI, who she
believes ended her film career). She promotes a number of Native
American causes, encouraging Native Americans to work in Hollywood,
fighting to combat alcoholism, obesity and diabetes among Native
Americans, and caring for Native Americans with AIDS, her brother
among them. She is also the coordinator of the Kateri Circle of the
Archdiocese of San Francisco, which blends Native American
spirituality with Catholic ritual, in honour of Kateri Tekakwitha, a
17th century Algonquin maiden beatified by Pope John Paul II.
Brando is uncomfortable talking about Sacheen Littlefeather, but she
remembers him with some fondness. "He helped me to become an infamous
person," she says. "It definitely put me on the map."
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"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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07 Jul 2004 06:31:57 AM |
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Robert Schneider wrote:
Has died.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/02/obit.brando/index.html
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_objectid=14394932%26method=full%26siteid=50082%26headline=welsh%2dwife%2dcondemns%2dlegend%2dbrando-name_page.html
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M10025EB8
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Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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