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"RoB WAde" |
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11 Oct 2005 05:16:13 PM |
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Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point?
Recently the Netherlands legalized polygamy in all but name by granting
a civil union to a man and two women. "We consider this to be just an
ordinary marriage," said Victor, who tied-the-knot with both Bianca
and Mirjam. Victor added that a fourth person would not be allowed into
their marriage because they want to be "honest and open with each other
and not philander."
While the battle to legalize polygamous marriages has not yet come to
the forefront here in the United States, we only have to look to this
example in the Netherlands to realize that someday we will likely face
it.
One of the arguments against legalizing homosexual marriage is that
there is no logical stopping point. If marriage is redefined to
accommodate same- sex couples, why can't it be redefined to
accommodate the polygamous relationship of a man and two women? Or how
about two men, five women and another person who isn't sure their
gender? And if it is redefined to accommodate these sexual preferences,
why can't it then be redefined to accommodate bestiality, incest, or
even, eventually, consensual pedophilia?
And then there's the man in Australia who recently wanted to marry
his television. What about his rights to marry anyone, or in this case
any thing, he chooses?
Either marriage is between a man and a woman or it isn't. If it is
not, then there's no logical argument that can be made to limit it to
any particular couples or groups.
The timeless institution of marriage between one man and one woman is
the foundation for building healthy families. For the sake of future
generations, we cannot afford to tamper with it.
Although Schwarzenegger vetoed AB 849 this year, proponents of
homosexual marriage recently announced that they will bring this issue
up again in next year's legislative session. Capitol Resource
Institute will once again stand up for traditional marriage and family
values!
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
12 Oct 2005 12:21:45 PM |
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"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129068973.312712.321630@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
And if it is redefined to accommodate these sexual preferences,
why can't it then be redefined to accommodate bestiality,
Consent.
incest,
Genetic problems.
or
even, eventually, consensual pedophilia?
There is no such thing as "consensual pedophilia". Pedophilia is by its very
nature non-consensual because children cannot consent.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
12 Oct 2005 01:07:20 PM |
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Peacenik wrote:
"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129068973.312712.321630@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
And if it is redefined to accommodate these sexual preferences,
why can't it then be redefined to accommodate bestiality,
Consent.
incest,
Genetic problems.
Not so much anymore, not since the advent of reliable birth control and in vitro
genetic testing. There is still an issue of involuntary consent because of
family dynamics, but mainly the taboo against incest has become ceremonial and
cultural rather than practical.
or
even, eventually, consensual pedophilia?
There is no such thing as "consensual pedophilia". Pedophilia is by its very
nature non-consensual because children cannot consent.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "Ken Carriere" |
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| Title: Re: Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
12 Oct 2005 06:29:47 PM |
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"RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129068973.312712.321630@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point?
Recently the Netherlands legalized polygamy in all but name by granting
a civil union to a man and two women. "We consider this to be just an
ordinary marriage," said Victor, who tied-the-knot with both Bianca
and Mirjam. Victor added that a fourth person would not be allowed into
their marriage because they want to be "honest and open with each other
and not philander."
Diaper fee for chimp brides
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
11 Oct 2005 05:32:41 PM |
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In article <1129068973.312712.321630@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> writes:
Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point?
Recently the Netherlands legalized polygamy in all but name by granting
a civil union to a man and two women. "We consider this to be just an
ordinary marriage," said Victor, who tied-the-knot with both Bianca
and Mirjam. Victor added that a fourth person would not be allowed into
their marriage because they want to be "honest and open with each other
and not philander."
While the battle to legalize polygamous marriages has not yet come to
the forefront here in the United States, we only have to look to this
example in the Netherlands to realize that someday we will likely face
it.
Yes? And?...
One of the arguments against legalizing homosexual marriage is that
there is no logical stopping point.
Damn straight pal ... except you don't go far enough. Once you
allow marriage of any description whatsoever, then anyone can
marry anyone. It's already too late, too late.
OUTLAW MARRIAGE TODAY!! It's for the children.
-- cary
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| User: "The Voice of Reason" |
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| Title: Re: Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
11 Oct 2005 06:12:13 PM |
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On 11 Oct 2005 15:16:13 -0700, "RoB WAde"
<rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com> wrote:
~Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point?
~
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~Recently the Netherlands legalized polygamy in all but name
by granting
~a civil union to a man and two women. "We consider this to
be just an
~ordinary marriage," said Victor, who tied-the-knot with
both Bianca
~and Mirjam. Victor added that a fourth person would not be
allowed into
~their marriage because they want to be "honest and open
with each other
~and not philander."
~
~While the battle to legalize polygamous marriages has not
yet come to
~the forefront here in the United States, we only have to
look to this
~example in the Netherlands to realize that someday we will
likely face
~it.
~
~One of the arguments against legalizing homosexual marriage
is that
~there is no logical stopping point. If marriage is
redefined to
~accommodate same- sex couples, why can't it be redefined to
~accommodate the polygamous relationship of a man and two
women? Or how
~about two men, five women and another person who isn't sure
their
~gender? And if it is redefined to accommodate these sexual
preferences,
~why can't it then be redefined to accommodate bestiality,
incest, or
~even, eventually, consensual pedophilia?
~
~And then there's the man in Australia who recently wanted
to marry
~his television. What about his rights to marry anyone, or
in this case
~any thing, he chooses?
~
~Either marriage is between a man and a woman or it isn't.
If it is
~not, then there's no logical argument that can be made to
limit it to
~any particular couples or groups.
~
~The timeless institution of marriage between one man and
one woman is
~the foundation for building healthy families. For the sake
of future
~generations, we cannot afford to tamper with it.
~
~Although Schwarzenegger vetoed AB 849 this year, proponents
of
~homosexual marriage recently announced that they will bring
this issue
~up again in next year's legislative session. Capitol
Resource
~Institute will once again stand up for traditional marriage
and family
~values!
God! marry his TV? Homesexuals as humans? Wow -- for
somebody who loves to meddle in other people's business,
this is certainly fertile ground to plow.
Personally, I think all of this should be subject to certain
rules -- especially the number of wives you should be
allowed to have. I think the number should be as many as a
man can successfully satisfy in a given month. If he can
keep them all moaning, what's the problem? In fact, if a
given man can't satisfy one or more of his wives, they
should be leased to one who can please for a penny a year.
This plan would make everyone happy! Except however,
bigots who try to tell others how to live.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
11 Oct 2005 11:25:58 PM |
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On 11 Oct 2005 15:16:13 -0700, "RoB WAde" <rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point?
Don't like the idea of gay marriage? Then don't have one.
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"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
12 Oct 2005 08:15:30 AM |
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RoB WAde wrote:
Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point?
Recently the Netherlands legalized polygamy in all but name by granting
a civil union to a man and two women.
Given that polygamy has a very solid Biblical base, I fail to see why you
are upset, Mr. Wade.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "Auntie Lib" |
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| Title: Re: Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
11 Oct 2005 07:36:29 PM |
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RoB WAde wrote:
Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point?
<snip frightened bellyaching>
One of the arguments against legalizing homosexual marriage is that
there is no logical stopping point.
There is for people who actually USE their brains for more than holding
their hats.
If marriage is redefined to accommodate same- sex couples, why
can't it be redefined to accommodate the polygamous relationship
of a man and two women? Or how about two men, five women and another
person who isn't sure their gender?
Who cares? Society decides what's legal and what's not.
And if it is redefined to accommodate these sexual preferences,
why can't it then be redefined to accommodate bestiality, incest, or
even, eventually, consensual pedophilia?
Because marriage is a legal contract. Can a dog sign a contract? (Can
it even READ one?) No. Can a child? No. Any person who is of legal
age and able to read, understand and sign a legal document can be
married.
And then there's the man in Australia who recently wanted to marry
his television. What about his rights to marry anyone, or in this case
any thing, he chooses?
Can a television read, understand and sign a legal document?
Either marriage is between a man and a woman or it isn't.
Marriage is a legal contract between consenting adults. Period.
Anything else that worries you is paranoid blithering.
<paranoid blithering snipped>
What an idiot.
elizabeth
aa#2098
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"I was born with a skeptical mind. Now I ask you, is that fair?
If God gives me a skeptical nature and you an accepting one, then
you're going to be a believer and I'm not. If belief is a ticket to
eternal happiness, I'm definitely handicapped. God gives me a mind
capable of asking questions and what? I'm damned if I use it?"
F. Paul Wilson "The Haunted Air"
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
11 Oct 2005 05:26:03 PM |
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on 11 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet RoB WAde
(rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point?
Divorce.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
11 Oct 2005 11:54:15 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96EC9D3FF627vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 11 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet RoB WAde
(rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point?
Divorce.
where is the starting point? or the farting point?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
12 Oct 2005 05:02:39 AM |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:26:03 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 11 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet RoB WAde
(rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point?
Divorce.
Nope, not for marriage, but a civil union, yes.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
11 Oct 2005 07:32:06 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
on 11 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet RoB WAde
(rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with
this:
Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point?
Divorce.
Catholic priests and a unwilling
altar boys.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point? |
12 Oct 2005 05:35:45 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:32:06 -0500, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
on 11 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet RoB WAde
(rob_c_wade_1@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with
this:
Marriage - Where Is the Stopping Point?
Divorce.
Catholic priests and a unwilling
altar boys.
how about barwell and male dogs.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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