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23 Feb 2004 11:44:39 AM |
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Mars Rover |
Elroy Willis wrote in message <46ck30lusrrqv9gr0j4hsi5ln3msovdbhv@4ax.com>...
What's the scientific explanation behind dreams, de ja vu,
premonitions, and prayer?
The physical brain.
Tada!
That doesn't explain anything. Your "explanation" is as silly as me
asking you, What is the explanation behind calculus, and you
answering, "classroom."
You merely described the vehicle in which these events are perceived,
processed, and then acknowledged. Did you not understand the question?
Here, I'll rephrase it.
What are dreams? Why do we have them?
What is de ja vu? Why do we experience it?
What are premonitions? Why do we have them?
What is prayer? Why does it work?
Ever seen anyone dreaming or experiencing deja vu or
praying who didn't have a human body and brain?
See how easy that is?
Again, you haven't explained anything. You merely described the
vehicle in which these events are perceived, processed, and then
acknowledged. Did you not understand the question?
Here, I'll rephrase it.
What are dreams? Why do we have them?
What is de ja vu? Why do we experience it?
What are premonitions? Why do we have them?
What is prayer? Why does it work?
You want an explanation for angels, too?
Why?!? You couldn't even answer my first question!!
(Innocent Question: How come people like you never really pay
attention to what's being asked, or said - Yet are quick to ridicule
what you coudn't grasp??)
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Mars Rover |
24 Feb 2004 06:10:33 AM |
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(Nerd Gerl) wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote in message
What's the scientific explanation behind dreams, de ja vu,
premonitions, and prayer?
The physical brain.
Tada!
That doesn't explain anything. Your "explanation" is as silly as me
asking you, What is the explanation behind calculus, and you
answering, "classroom."
You asking me that requires you to use your brain.
One day, maybe you'll realize that our brains contain everything
that we are. All our memories, all our emotions, dreams, and anything
else that you can imagine, using your brain.
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Mars Rover |
23 Feb 2004 02:38:16 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Nerd Gerl:
What are premonitions? Why do we have them?
I've never had one.
What is prayer?
A method by which man atones with his inner conscience; sets his feelings
straight. In other words, it's talking to yourself.
Why does it work?
What makes you think it does? Beyond self-importance, prayer is nothing
but mental masturbation.
Besides, according to Christian doctrine, the Almighty has an Almighty
Plan. He's spent millions and billions of years honing this plan, then
several thousand years ago he put it in action. Since he is omniscient,
nothing strays from this plan. Yet we have prayer.
What makes a Christian think his prayer would sway the god from his
Almighty Plan?
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Mars Rover |
23 Feb 2004 09:34:43 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:949880351vicman@127.0.0.1...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Nerd Gerl:
What are premonitions? Why do we have them?
I've never had one.
What is prayer?
A method by which man atones with his inner conscience; sets his feelings
straight. In other words, it's talking to yourself.
Why does it work?
What makes you think it does? Beyond self-importance, prayer is nothing
but mental masturbation.
Besides, according to Christian doctrine, the Almighty has an Almighty
Plan. He's spent millions and billions of years honing this plan, then
several thousand years ago he put it in action. Since he is omniscient,
nothing strays from this plan. Yet we have prayer.
What makes a Christian think his prayer would sway the god from his
Almighty Plan?
A ten ton tank has a lot of momentum, but every general is open to
suggestions.
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| User: "Baruch." |
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| Title: Re: Mars Rover |
23 Feb 2004 08:56:26 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:949880351vicman@127.0.0.1...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Nerd Gerl:
What are premonitions? Why do we have them?
I've never had one.
I noticed you kind of skipped over dreams - question too tough to answer?
What makes a Christian think his prayer would sway the god from his
Almighty Plan?
What Christians say is irrelevant, and not part of the question.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Mars Rover |
24 Feb 2004 12:39:02 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Baruch.:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:949880351vicman@127.0.0.1...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Nerd Gerl:
What are premonitions? Why do we have them?
I've never had one.
I noticed you kind of skipped over dreams - question too tough to
answer?
I'm not a psychologist, so I don't go there. Dreams are dreams. It's
just the subconscious mind having its day in the sun. Instead of making
up stories about what causes them, I just lay back and enjoy them. I do
like making observations, though.
I quit smoking a few years ago. The first two months of my ordeal was
spent under the influence of the Nicoderm Patch. Yes, it worked for me,
as I am now a comfortable non-smoker - as if I had never started,
discounting the damage I've done to my lungs. Well, anyway, one of the
side effects of mainlining nicotine via the Patch is dreams. VIVID
dreams. Very convincing in the reality department. Even though when
you wake up (and you can remember each and every one of them upon
waking) they seem ridiculous, you retain their earthshaking profundity
for most of the morning. Which was why I cold-turkeyed the Patch after
a few months and fought the nicotine withdrawl with my own will-power.
The dreams were not nightmares. They just seemed way more real than the
average dream. Drugs like nicotine act on the functionality of the
brain. Which proves to me, anyway, that dreams are a subfunction of the
brain's function of subconscious. Nothing more.
What makes a Christian think his prayer would sway the god from his
Almighty Plan?
What Christians say is irrelevant, and not part of the question.
Christians make up a major portion of my country's population, the USA.
Do you want to break the news to them?
In going over NG's post, I don't see any reference to religion.
However, the fact that she tends to start a new thread with each reply
makes it difficult to grasp the context, so one is left only with the
choice of newsgroups to which the new thread is crossposted to guess the
nature of the post.
Sorry, my bad.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "Baruch." |
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| Title: Re: Mars Rover |
24 Feb 2004 07:59:14 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9498E67EFA3F7vicman@63.240.76.16...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Baruch.:
I've never had one.
I noticed you kind of skipped over dreams - question too tough to
answer?
I'm not a psychologist, so I don't go there. Dreams are dreams. It's
just the subconscious mind having its day in the sun. Instead of making
up stories about what causes them, I just lay back and enjoy them. I do
You just *did* make up a story about what causes dreams - the "subconscious
mind having its day in the sun"...
like making observations, though.
By all means... that's what's fun about newsgroups...
I quit smoking a few years ago. The first two months of my ordeal was
<snip>
discounting the damage I've done to my lungs. Well, anyway, one of the
side effects of mainlining nicotine via the Patch is dreams. VIVID
dreams. Very convincing in the reality department. Even though when
<snip>
brain. Which proves to me, anyway, that dreams are a subfunction of the
brain's function of subconscious. Nothing more.
Ah, the subconscious - that's just some imaginary thing invented by some
psychologists...
Seriously, I think the idea of the subconscious is about as plausible as the
idea of God - and the proof of its existence as difficult (impossible,
actually).
What Christians say is irrelevant, and not part of the question.
Christians make up a major portion of my country's population, the USA.
Do you want to break the news to them?
I keep trying... it doesn't work. They don't seem to hear well...
In going over NG's post, I don't see any reference to religion.
However, the fact that she tends to start a new thread with each reply
makes it difficult to grasp the context, so one is left only with the
choice of newsgroups to which the new thread is crossposted to guess the
nature of the post.
Sorry, my bad.
No problem on my end. I just like to get into discussions, and I throw in
my two cent's worth whether anyone wants to hear it or not...
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| User: "angelicusrex" |
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| Title: Re: Mars Rover |
24 Feb 2004 12:43:33 AM |
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Vic is lying. Everyone has had a premonition, a gut feeling, an intuition
that they don't know where it came from. He just can't call it that because
that would make him suspect to his atheist pals.
Meanwhile the whole damned alt.atheism is just one hot bed of anti-Christian
sentiment. I never here them mention Jains or Sufis or native American
Church goers as being full of ***** like all Christians are.
So Vic can't think outside the "Christian God" box. To bad, because God
lives outside that box.
Saint
"Baruch." <baruch@N0blessedb.org$PAM> wrote in message
news:u3z_b.80968$hR.1662843@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:949880351vicman@127.0.0.1...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Nerd Gerl:
What are premonitions? Why do we have them?
I've never had one.
I noticed you kind of skipped over dreams - question too tough to answer?
What makes a Christian think his prayer would sway the god from his
Almighty Plan?
What Christians say is irrelevant, and not part of the question.
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| User: "angelicusrex" |
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| Title: Re: Mars Rover |
24 Feb 2004 12:40:37 AM |
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What makes you think God has a "plan?"
Maybe His plan is to not make any definite plans. Wouldn't that make a
Universe that much more fun!?
How would an atheist who does not believe in prayer convince theists who do
believe in it that his opinion counts for anything? I'm sure you don't know
the first thing about God. You say the Wise man (I am taking it that this is
"you" in your silly world view) tells the whole world there is no God. Now
that is probably the most unwise thing I've ever heard. There are places
where you can get killed for being that stupid. But since you are the wise
man who believes in no God. Then it must logically follow that you could not
know anything about a God which does not exist. Therefore your opinion is a
fantasy.
Saint
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:949880351vicman@127.0.0.1...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Nerd Gerl:
What are premonitions? Why do we have them?
I've never had one.
What is prayer?
A method by which man atones with his inner conscience; sets his feelings
straight. In other words, it's talking to yourself.
Why does it work?
What makes you think it does? Beyond self-importance, prayer is nothing
but mental masturbation.
Besides, according to Christian doctrine, the Almighty has an Almighty
Plan. He's spent millions and billions of years honing this plan, then
several thousand years ago he put it in action. Since he is omniscient,
nothing strays from this plan. Yet we have prayer.
What makes a Christian think his prayer would sway the god from his
Almighty Plan?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Mars Rover |
24 Feb 2004 01:08:06 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach angelicusrex:
I'm sure you don't know
the first thing about God.
Silly Angelicusrex.
I thought you guys said the god is uncaused. That means there is no "first
thing" about god.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Mars Rover |
24 Feb 2004 12:58:26 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach angelicusrex:
What makes you think God has a "plan?"
You guys. Don't you pay attention to your own teachings?
Maybe His plan is to not make any definite plans. Wouldn't that make a
Universe that much more fun!?
Are you making this up? Hell, why not, the rest of your buddies do.
How would an atheist who does not believe in prayer convince theists
who do believe in it that his opinion counts for anything?
Just tossing you guys a brain stimulant to see if there are any signs of
life out there. So far no takers....
I'm sure
you don't know the first thing about God.
And you do? What *is* the first thing about "god"?
You say the Wise man (I am
taking it that this is "you" in your silly world view) tells the whole
world there is no God. Now that is probably the most unwise thing I've
ever heard.
That would be easy for the unwise to see. How does it feel to be so
unwise?
There are places where you can get killed for being that
stupid.
You misspelled "wise". And, your statement is unfortunately true. You
morons have infiltrated the planet with your proselytization and
brainwashing of otherwise innocent fellow morons. And since your
religion teaches hate disguised as love, you have a built-in protection
scheme. Can you say "KKK"?
But since you are the wise man who believes in no God. Then it
must logically follow that you could not know anything about a God
which does not exist. Therefore your opinion is a fantasy.
What would you know about logic, moron?
Saint
Thug.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "angelicusrex" |
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| Title: Re: Mars Rover |
24 Feb 2004 01:17:09 AM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9498E9C8A76FBvicman@204.127.204.17...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach angelicusrex:
What makes you think God has a "plan?"
You guys. Don't you pay attention to your own teachings?
What makes you think "us guys" have any "teachings" to pay attention to? You
seem to be assuming too much here.
Maybe His plan is to not make any definite plans. Wouldn't that make a
Universe that much more fun!?
Are you making this up? Hell, why not, the rest of your buddies do.
Why not, you're making all kinds of ***** up.
Like that God has a plan and you know what it is!
How would an atheist who does not believe in prayer convince theists
who do believe in it that his opinion counts for anything?
Just tossing you guys a brain stimulant to see if there are any signs of
life out there. So far no takers....
Bad way to end a really lame post there, Vic. It really means you got no
game.
I'm sure
you don't know the first thing about God.
And you do? What *is* the first thing about "god"?
What the f*ck do you care?
I wouldn't disclose that to someone like you, who believes God does not
exist. You aren't worthy.
You say the Wise man (I am
taking it that this is "you" in your silly world view) tells the whole
world there is no God. Now that is probably the most unwise thing I've
ever heard.
That would be easy for the unwise to see. How does it feel to be so
unwise?
There are places where you can get killed for being that
stupid.
You misspelled "wise".
Bigdeal. I misspleeelll a lot of stuph. So what?
And, your statement is unfortunately true. You
morons
Oh! Testy! All of the sudden the paranoia goes big-time!
have infiltrated the planet
Wow! The whole planet!?
with your proselytization and
brainwashing of otherwise innocent fellow morons.
Including you?
And since your
religion teaches hate disguised as love, you have a built-in protection
scheme. Can you say "KKK"?
OOH! That had to hurt! yes! A big check mark for Vic! Vic for Victory! Yea!
Trying to equate all religion with the Ku Klux Klan! (They misspelled Klan,
did you know that?) Like that hasn't been done to death. Like I said, the
last gasp of a loser with no argument left except "I hate you!" Wake up,
Vic. You're more of a dogmatist than I am!
But since you are the wise man who believes in no God. Then it
must logically follow that you could not know anything about a God
which does not exist. Therefore your opinion is a fantasy.
What would you know about logic, moron?
I know this, calling someone a "moron" at the very outset of an argument is
not only the predeliction of the complete idiot, it is an ad hominem attack,
therefore it is fallacious and does not count. So you lose at logic, dufus.
Thug
That's MISTER THUG to you, a-hole!
Saint
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Mars Rover |
24 Feb 2004 10:18:47 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach angelicusrex:
And you do? What *is* the first thing about "god"?
What the f*ck do you care?
I wouldn't disclose that to someone like you, who believes God does not
exist. You aren't worthy.
Translation: "I don't know because I was lying".
You say the Wise man (I am
taking it that this is "you" in your silly world view) tells the
whole world there is no God. Now that is probably the most unwise
thing I've ever heard.
That would be easy for the unwise to see. How does it feel to be so
unwise?
There are places where you can get killed for being that
stupid.
You misspelled "wise".
Bigdeal. I misspleeelll a lot of stuph. So what?
And, your statement is unfortunately true. You
morons
Oh! Testy! All of the sudden the paranoia goes big-time!
have infiltrated the planet
Wow! The whole planet!?
with your proselytization and
brainwashing of otherwise innocent fellow morons.
Including you?
You know what I meant.
And since your
religion teaches hate disguised as love, you have a built-in
protection scheme. Can you say "KKK"?
OOH! That had to hurt! yes! A big check mark for Vic! Vic for Victory!
Yea! Trying to equate all religion with the Ku Klux Klan! (They
misspelled Klan, did you know that?) Like that hasn't been done to
death. Like I said, the last gasp of a loser with no argument left
except "I hate you!" Wake up, Vic. You're more of a dogmatist than I am!
[Vic wipes spittle off face.] Then I take it you agree. Your religion
teaches hate.
But since you are the wise man who believes in no God. Then it
must logically follow that you could not know anything about a God
which does not exist. Therefore your opinion is a fantasy.
What would you know about logic, moron?
I know this, calling someone a "moron" at the very outset of an argument
is not only the predeliction of the complete idiot, it is an ad hominem
attack, therefore it is fallacious and does not count. So you lose at
logic, dufus.
Then what is *this* post?
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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