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Martin Gardner |
Magic and the multiverse
Martin Gardner gives quantum-mechanical fantasies a good kicking in
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?
Nicholas Lezard
Saturday August 7, 2004
The Guardian
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?, by Martin Gardner (WW
Norton, £9.99)
Well, are they? The American philosopher Charles Sanders Pierce
believes they are: that there may even be an infinite number of
universes. If the word of a philosopher cuts no ice with you, then
consider that about half of the experts in the field of quantum
mechanics favour the Many Worlds Interpretation - the hypothesis that
"at every instant when a quantum measurement is made that has more
than one possible outcome... the universe splits into two or more
universes, each corresponding to a possible future." As you'll have
worked out by now, this more or less cancels the possibility of free
will. We live inside "a monstrous wave function which never collapses
unless it is observed and collapsed by an intelligence outside the
multiverse, namely God".
Martin Gardner
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07 Aug 2004 07:08:34 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Magic and the multiverse
Martin Gardner gives quantum-mechanical fantasies a good kicking in
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?
Nicholas Lezard
Saturday August 7, 2004
The Guardian
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?, by Martin Gardner (WW
Norton, £9.99)
Well, are they? The American philosopher Charles Sanders Pierce
believes they are: that there may even be an infinite number of
universes. If the word of a philosopher cuts no ice with you, then
consider that about half of the experts in the field of quantum
mechanics favour the Many Worlds Interpretation - the hypothesis that
"at every instant when a quantum measurement is made that has more
than one possible outcome... the universe splits into two or more
universes, each corresponding to a possible future."
So far so good.
As you'll have
worked out by now, this more or less cancels the possibility of free
will.
No, this does not follow. First off, it still does not mean that there is
an infinite number of copies of everyone. The number of apparently random
quantum events in the observeable universe since the Big Bang is a very
large, but finite number.
We live inside "a monstrous wave function which never collapses
unless it is observed and collapsed by an intelligence outside the
multiverse, namely God".
Or not.
Klaus
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| User: "Bob Pease" |
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07 Aug 2004 08:45:05 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Magic and the multiverse
Martin Gardner gives quantum-mechanical fantasies a good kicking in
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?
Nicholas Lezard
Saturday August 7, 2004
The Guardian
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?, by Martin Gardner (WW
Norton, £9.99)
Well, are they? The American philosopher Charles Sanders Pierce
believes they are: that there may even be an infinite number of
universes. If the word of a philosopher cuts no ice with you, then
consider that about half of the experts in the field of quantum
mechanics favour the Many Worlds Interpretation - the hypothesis that
"at every instant when a quantum measurement is made that has more
than one possible outcome... the universe splits into two or more
universes, each corresponding to a possible future."
So far so good.
As you'll have
worked out by now, this more or less cancels the possibility of free
will.
No, this does not follow. First off, it still does not mean that there is
an infinite number of copies of everyone. The number of apparently random
quantum events in the observeable universe since the Big Bang is a very
large, but finite number.
The Infinite Parallel Universe idea was propounded in a recent article in
Scientific America.
The whole article was speculative and had a serious fllaw in Mathematical
savvy.
First. the discourse in in Denumerable sets and certain conclusions apply to
non-denumerable sets.
Secondly
The Possibility that Every possible outcome COULD exist is no indication
that it WILL
RJ Pease
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| User: "John Thomas Grisham" |
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09 Aug 2004 11:21:29 AM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0408070055.57066936@posting.google.com>...
Magic and the multiverse
Martin Gardner gives quantum-mechanical fantasies a good kicking in
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?
Nicholas Lezard
Saturday August 7, 2004
The Guardian
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?, by Martin Gardner (WW
Norton, £9.99)
Well, are they? The American philosopher Charles Sanders Pierce
believes they are: that there may even be an infinite number of
universes. If the word of a philosopher cuts no ice with you, then
consider that about half of the experts in the field of quantum
mechanics favour the Many Worlds Interpretation - the hypothesis that
"at every instant when a quantum measurement is made that has more
than one possible outcome... the universe splits into two or more
universes, each corresponding to a possible future."
Sounds like intelligent design covering all the variables.
As you'll have
worked out by now, this more or less cancels the possibility of free
will.
When you exercise free will, you are split into one who did and one
who didn't. That facilitates free will along one set of pathways and
defeats it along another. If you aren't on a pathway that facilitates
your free will, then it's because you chose to go the other way. You
can change your course at any instant with the assurance that part of
you will choose to continue demoaning the absence of free will along
your pathway.
We live inside "a monstrous wave function which never collapses
unless it is observed and collapsed by an intelligence outside the
multiverse, namely God".
Then what's going to entertain Him?
JTG 8/9/04
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| User: "Andrew Lias" |
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13 Aug 2004 02:21:57 PM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0408070055.57066936@posting.google.com>...
Magic and the multiverse
Martin Gardner gives quantum-mechanical fantasies a good kicking in
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?
Nicholas Lezard
Saturday August 7, 2004
The Guardian
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?, by Martin Gardner (WW
Norton, £9.99)
Well, are they? The American philosopher Charles Sanders Pierce
believes they are: that there may even be an infinite number of
universes. If the word of a philosopher cuts no ice with you, then
consider that about half of the experts in the field of quantum
mechanics favour the Many Worlds Interpretation - the hypothesis that
"at every instant when a quantum measurement is made that has more
than one possible outcome... the universe splits into two or more
universes, each corresponding to a possible future." As you'll have
worked out by now, this more or less cancels the possibility of free
will. We live inside "a monstrous wave function which never collapses
unless it is observed and collapsed by an intelligence outside the
multiverse, namely God".
Actually, the virtue of the many-worlds interpretation is that it does
away with the ad-hoc supposition of wave function collapse. In MWI,
the wave function evolves continuously and deterministically until the
end of time. No magical observer interactions are required, ever.
Gods need not apply.
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Andrew Lias
http://andrewlias.blogspot.com
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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09 Aug 2004 05:52:55 PM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0408070055.57066936@posting.google.com>...
Magic and the multiverse
Martin Gardner gives quantum-mechanical fantasies a good kicking in
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?
Why should I take the word of a philosopher over a physicist? No
denying that some philosophers are very intelligent, but since when
has philosophy told us anything new about the universe?
Philosophy is an artistic or leisure activity, not science.
Nicholas Lezard
Saturday August 7, 2004
The Guardian
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?, by Martin Gardner (WW
Norton, £9.99)
Well, are they? The American philosopher Charles Sanders Pierce
believes they are: that there may even be an infinite number of
universes. If the word of a philosopher cuts no ice with you,
It doesn't.
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| User: "Mitchell Coffey" |
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13 Aug 2004 11:51:28 AM |
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(Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message news:<fb1e5579.0408091502.40f887d5@posting.google.com>...
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0408070055.57066936@posting.google.com>...
Magic and the multiverse
Martin Gardner gives quantum-mechanical fantasies a good kicking in
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?
Why should I take the word of a philosopher over a physicist? No
denying that some philosophers are very intelligent, but since when
has philosophy told us anything new about the universe?
Philosophy is an artistic or leisure activity, not science.
This is an supressed syllogism based on false assumptions. If
supressed syllogisms based on false assumptions trouble you, as they
should, give me a non-philosophical reason why.
Nicholas Lezard
Saturday August 7, 2004
The Guardian
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?, by Martin Gardner (WW
Norton, £9.99)
Well, are they? The American philosopher Charles Sanders Pierce
believes they are: that there may even be an infinite number of
universes. If the word of a philosopher cuts no ice with you,
It doesn't.
"Have you heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?"
"Yes."
"Morons!"
Mitchell Coffey
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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13 Aug 2004 08:02:04 PM |
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Mitchell Coffey <MitCoffey@aol.com> wrote:
berli@lycos.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote...
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote...
Magic and the multiverse
Martin Gardner gives quantum-mechanical fantasies a good kicking in
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?
Why should I take the word of a philosopher over a physicist? No
denying that some philosophers are very intelligent, but since when
has philosophy told us anything new about the universe?
Philosophy is an artistic or leisure activity, not science.
This is an supressed syllogism based on false assumptions. If
supressed syllogisms based on false assumptions trouble you, as they
should, give me a non-philosophical reason why.
Technically known as an enthymeme. Lovely word.
Nicholas Lezard
Saturday August 7, 2004
The Guardian
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?, by Martin Gardner (WW
Norton, £9.99)
Well, are they? The American philosopher Charles Sanders Pierce
believes they are: that there may even be an infinite number of
universes. If the word of a philosopher cuts no ice with you,
It doesn't.
"Have you heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?"
"Yes."
"Morons!"
You're that smart?
--
John S. Wilkins
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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| User: "Mitchell Coffey" |
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16 Aug 2004 12:22:49 AM |
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(John Wilkins) wrote in message news:<1gii8ls.ye6pk234gwqnN%>...
Mitchell Coffey <MitCoffey@aol.com> wrote:
berli@lycos.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote...
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote...
Magic and the multiverse
Martin Gardner gives quantum-mechanical fantasies a good kicking in
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?
Why should I take the word of a philosopher over a physicist? No
denying that some philosophers are very intelligent, but since when
has philosophy told us anything new about the universe?
Philosophy is an artistic or leisure activity, not science.
This is an supressed syllogism based on false assumptions. If
supressed syllogisms based on false assumptions trouble you, as they
should, give me a non-philosophical reason why.
Technically known as an enthymeme. Lovely word.
If a fallacy has a lovely name, than it must be true.
I read recently a opinion to the effect that enthymeme was the most
common form of argumentation.
Nicholas Lezard
Saturday August 7, 2004
The Guardian
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?, by Martin Gardner (WW
Norton, £9.99)
Well, are they? The American philosopher Charles Sanders Pierce
believes they are: that there may even be an infinite number of
universes. If the word of a philosopher cuts no ice with you,
It doesn't.
"Have you heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?"
"Yes."
"Morons!"
You're that smart?
Tell me about it. I am in the technical sense, smarter than my on
line gabber would suggest. I have in my possession documents - IQ
test results, College entrance exams, all that crap - attesting to my
intelligence in every meaningless manner. Part of the discrepancy is
explained by the fact that I have no training in any field relevant to
T.O., except history. Yet, I don't know, in the real world my
achievements are nil; those same test suggest that only one of every
200 people I meet is as smart as I am, while in my experience rather
the opposite is true. Look it, iocane is an Australian product, could
you send me some?
Mitchell Coffey (not that it matters)
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| User: "rich hammett" |
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16 Aug 2004 11:03:10 AM |
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In talk.origins Mitchell Coffey <MitCoffey@aol.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
johnSPAM@wilkins.id.au (John Wilkins) wrote in message news:<1gii8ls.ye6pk234gwqnN%johnSPAM@wilkins.id.au>...
Mitchell Coffey <MitCoffey@aol.com> wrote:
berli@lycos.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote...
Philosophy is an artistic or leisure activity, not science.
This is an supressed syllogism based on false assumptions. If
supressed syllogisms based on false assumptions trouble you, as they
should, give me a non-philosophical reason why.
Technically known as an enthymeme. Lovely word.
If a fallacy has a lovely name, than it must be true.
I read recently a opinion to the effect that enthymeme was the most
common form of argumentation.
So what separates this suppressed syllog...etc from a "stupid
statement"? I mean, I could create a hidden syllogism even
for things that George Bush says!
T.O., except history. Yet, I don't know, in the real world my
achievements are nil; those same test suggest that only one of every
200 people I meet is as smart as I am, while in my experience rather
the opposite is true. Look it, iocane is an Australian product, could
you send me some?
I have a lot of those same kinds of papers (including, most
recently, a very high LSAT score which looks to go to waste).
And yet, the world continues to fail to bow down to me.
I beleive the flaw in the papers was revealed in a documentary
I saw on television, where Mensa took over the government of
Springfield.
rich
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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16 Aug 2004 12:54:47 AM |
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Mitchell Coffey <MitCoffey@aol.com> wrote:
johnSPAM@wilkins.id.au (John Wilkins) wrote...
Mitchell Coffey <MitCoffey@aol.com> wrote:
berli@lycos.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote...
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote...
Magic and the multiverse
Martin Gardner gives quantum-mechanical fantasies a good kicking in
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?
Why should I take the word of a philosopher over a physicist? No
denying that some philosophers are very intelligent, but since when
has philosophy told us anything new about the universe?
Philosophy is an artistic or leisure activity, not science.
This is an supressed syllogism based on false assumptions. If
supressed syllogisms based on false assumptions trouble you, as they
should, give me a non-philosophical reason why.
Technically known as an enthymeme. Lovely word.
If a fallacy has a lovely name, than it must be true.
An enthymeme is not strictly a fallacy. It is a sketch that is
incomplete for a fuller syllogism.
I read recently a opinion to the effect that enthymeme was the most
common form of argumentation.
I'll bet it was incompletely argued.
Nicholas Lezard
Saturday August 7, 2004
The Guardian
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?, by Martin Gardner (WW
Norton, £9.99)
Well, are they? The American philosopher Charles Sanders Pierce
believes they are: that there may even be an infinite number of
universes. If the word of a philosopher cuts no ice with you,
It doesn't.
"Have you heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?"
"Yes."
"Morons!"
You're that smart?
Tell me about it. I am in the technical sense, smarter than my on
line gabber would suggest. I have in my possession documents - IQ
test results, College entrance exams, all that crap - attesting to my
intelligence in every meaningless manner. Part of the discrepancy is
explained by the fact that I have no training in any field relevant to
T.O., except history. Yet, I don't know, in the real world my
achievements are nil; those same test suggest that only one of every
200 people I meet is as smart as I am, while in my experience rather
the opposite is true. Look it, iocane is an Australian product, could
you send me some?
Mitchell Coffey (not that it matters)
OK. It is a really nice taste enhancer for wine.
--
John S. Wilkins
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Very well, I accept your surrender.
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| User: "Andrew Lias" |
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13 Aug 2004 02:28:44 PM |
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(Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message news:<fb1e5579.0408091502.40f887d5@posting.google.com>...
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0408070055.57066936@posting.google.com>...
Magic and the multiverse
Martin Gardner gives quantum-mechanical fantasies a good kicking in
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?
Why should I take the word of a philosopher over a physicist? No
denying that some philosophers are very intelligent, but since when
has philosophy told us anything new about the universe?
Philosophy can be very useful for framing questions in science.
Shrodinger's Cat, the Twin Paradox, the Grandfather Paradox, and other
gedankenexperiments are philosophical considerations that deal with
scientific questions.
Philosophy is an artistic or leisure activity, not science.
I suspect that your exposure to philosophy has led to you to think of
it as being nothing more than fancy word-play and semantic quibbling.
If so, I can easily see why you'd reach that supposition. Too much
philosophy does fall into that sort of quagmire. There is, however,
such a thing as rigorous philosophical inquiry which can be useful for
framing questions of scientific worth.
I would recommend going to the library and checking out some of the
work of Daniel Dennett. I'd particularly recommend Brainstorms since
it isn't intended to be a popularization of philosophy but, rather, is
hard philosophy in the raw. I think you'll be surprised at how
methodological his approach is to such issues as cognition and
perception.
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Andrew Lias
http://andrewlias.blogspot.com
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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09 Aug 2004 07:00:05 PM |
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Hypatia Kosh <berli@lycos.com> wrote:
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote...
Magic and the multiverse
Martin Gardner gives quantum-mechanical fantasies a good kicking in
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?
Why should I take the word of a philosopher over a physicist? No
denying that some philosophers are very intelligent, but since when
has philosophy told us anything new about the universe?
Philosophy is an artistic or leisure activity, not science.
[Massive indrawing of breath, in outrage]
Without philosophers you'd never have known that esse est percipii. Um..
and then there's umm...
Nicholas Lezard
Saturday August 7, 2004
The Guardian
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?, by Martin Gardner (WW
Norton, £9.99)
Well, are they? The American philosopher Charles Sanders Pierce
believes they are: that there may even be an infinite number of
universes. If the word of a philosopher cuts no ice with you,
It doesn't.
Just a comment - Peirce was also, in his day, a respected (if
unemployable) lecturer in science. And many philosophers contribute to
the sciences they comment on - their "subjects" take them seriously -
Mach, Einstein, Heisenberg, all were greatly influenced by philosophers
(sometimes malifically).
--
John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au http://wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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12 Aug 2004 07:52:07 PM |
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In article <1giaqni.r0y47s1dg1mwuN%>,
(John Wilkins) wrote:
Hypatia Kosh <berli@lycos.com> wrote:
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote...
Magic and the multiverse
Martin Gardner gives quantum-mechanical fantasies a good kicking in
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?
Why should I take the word of a philosopher over a physicist? No
denying that some philosophers are very intelligent, but since when
has philosophy told us anything new about the universe?
Philosophy is an artistic or leisure activity, not science.
[Massive indrawing of breath, in outrage]
Without philosophers you'd never have known that esse est percipii. Um..
and then there's umm...
Nicholas Lezard
Saturday August 7, 2004
The Guardian
Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?, by Martin Gardner (WW
Norton, ?9.99)
Well, are they? The American philosopher Charles Sanders Pierce
believes they are: that there may even be an infinite number of
universes. If the word of a philosopher cuts no ice with you,
It doesn't.
Just a comment - Peirce was also, in his day, a respected (if
unemployable) lecturer in science. And many philosophers contribute to
the sciences they comment on - their "subjects" take them seriously -
Mach, Einstein, Heisenberg, all were greatly influenced by philosophers
(sometimes malifically).
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How could one respect C. S. Peirce? Like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker,
he didn't even know how to spell his own name!
earle
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| User: "Virgil" |
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12 Aug 2004 09:04:56 PM |
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In article <earle.jones-173603.18022012082004@netnews.comcast.net>,
Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
How could one respect C. S. Peirce? Like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker,
he didn't even know how to spell his own name!
earle
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Neither does Earl.
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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12 Aug 2004 10:48:09 PM |
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In article
<ITSnetNOTcom#virgil-93D274.20151612082004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>
,
Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote:
In article <earle.jones-173603.18022012082004@netnews.comcast.net>,
Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
How could one respect C. S. Peirce? Like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker,
he didn't even know how to spell his own name!
earle
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Neither does Earl.
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Virgil: Now that's funny!
My earlE was not my idea, I assure you. My mother, who wanted me to
be a doctor, named me for my uncle, Dr. Earle Drennen, who delivered
me on a cool Spring morning in 1931.
And that's what I'm stuck with.
I wonder what C. S. Peirce's excuse is.
earle
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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12 Aug 2004 11:32:01 PM |
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Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article
<ITSnetNOTcom#virgil-93D274.20151612082004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>
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Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote:
In article <earle.jones-173603.18022012082004@netnews.comcast.net>,
Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
How could one respect C. S. Peirce? Like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker,
he didn't even know how to spell his own name!
earle
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Neither does Earl.
*
Virgil: Now that's funny!
My earlE was not my idea, I assure you. My mother, who wanted me to
be a doctor, named me for my uncle, Dr. Earle Drennen, who delivered
me on a cool Spring morning in 1931.
And that's what I'm stuck with.
I wonder what C. S. Peirce's excuse is.
earle
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In all probability, his father.
--
John S. Wilkins
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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| Title: Re: Martin Gardner |
13 Aug 2004 12:24:28 PM |
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In article <1gigohq.66r416164bjgfN%>,
(John Wilkins) wrote:
Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article
<ITSnetNOTcom#virgil-93D274.20151612082004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>
,
Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote:
In article <earle.jones-173603.18022012082004@netnews.comcast.net>,
Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
How could one respect C. S. Peirce? Like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker,
he didn't even know how to spell his own name!
earle
*
Neither does Earl.
*
Virgil: Now that's funny!
My earlE was not my idea, I assure you. My mother, who wanted me to
be a doctor, named me for my uncle, Dr. Earle Drennen, who delivered
me on a cool Spring morning in 1931.
And that's what I'm stuck with.
I wonder what C. S. Peirce's excuse is.
earle
*
In all probability, his father.
*
In one of Faulkner's books -- I believe it's 'Intruder in the Dust',
he discusses the spelling of family names. His own grandfather was
a 'Falkner' and earlier than that, the family name was probably
'Falconer'.
He found families in Mississippi like 'Ingrum' that had once been
the English 'Ingraham'. One that particularly intrigued him was a
local family name 'Workitt'. He suspected it had some European
origin with changes in spelling. He traced it down to the German
family 'Urquhardt'.
In some cases, family names got their American spelling from a clerk
at Ellis Island who listened to the arriving emigrant and picked a
phonetic approximation.
In other cases that Faulkner described, a couple of illiterate
generations resulted in the new spelling.
My mother, Ruth Elizabeth Faulkner, was the once-removed neice of
William Faulkner -- in the Alabama branch of the family.
earle
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| User: "Victor Eijkhout" |
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| Title: Re: Martin Gardner |
13 Aug 2004 09:49:58 AM |
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Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
How could one respect C. S. Peirce? Like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker,
he didn't even know how to spell his own name!
I wonder what C. S. Peirce's excuse is.
Jim and Tammy Faye's last name is the Dutch spelling of the word for
"Baker".
V. "good enough excuse for me"
--
email: lastname at cs utk edu
homepage: cs utk edu tilde lastname
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Martin Gardner |
12 Aug 2004 09:17:36 PM |
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Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote:
In article <earle.jones-173603.18022012082004@netnews.comcast.net>,
Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
How could one respect C. S. Peirce? Like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker,
he didn't even know how to spell his own name!
earle
*
Neither does Earl.
Nor Wilkens (the most common spelling when people try to do it from
memory).
--
John S. Wilkins
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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| User: "Daniel Harper" |
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| Title: Re: Martin Gardner |
13 Aug 2004 05:34:24 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:17:36 +0000, John Wilkins wrote:
Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote:
In article <earle.jones-173603.18022012082004@netnews.comcast.net>,
Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
How could one respect C. S. Peirce? Like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker,
he didn't even know how to spell his own name!
earle
*
Neither does Earl.
Nor Wilkens (the most common spelling when people try to do it from
memory).
Not Ouillqueenz?
--
So it goes....
--Daniel Harper
(change terra to earth for email)
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| User: "Bob Pease" |
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| Title: Re: Martin Gardner |
14 Aug 2004 10:25:54 AM |
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"Daniel Harper" <daniel_harper@terralink.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.08.13.23.00.04.304080@terralink.net...
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:17:36 +0000, John Wilkins wrote:
Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote:
In article <earle.jones-173603.18022012082004@netnews.comcast.net>,
Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
How could one respect C. S. Peirce? Like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker,
he didn't even know how to spell his own name!
earle
*
Neither does Earl.
Nor Wilkens (the most common spelling when people try to do it from
memory).
Not Ouillqueenz?
Queelqueens??
Queelqueens??
We don't got to tchow joo no steenkin Queelqueens!!
RJ P
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