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"Khubla" |
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20 Feb 2006 07:03:12 PM |
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Mass and Witchdoctors |
A Pope performing Mass and an aboriginal African native dancing around some
plastic idol are both on the same intellectual plane.
Khubla
The Mass is the most perfect form of retarded superstition.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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20 Feb 2006 11:36:57 PM |
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"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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A Pope performing Mass and an aboriginal African native dancing around some
plastic idol are both on the same intellectual plane.
We atheists agree and we include you as well.
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| User: "johac" |
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22 Feb 2006 01:17:38 AM |
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In article <gv6dnWA_Irkp-2fenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
A Pope performing Mass and an aboriginal African native dancing around some
plastic idol are both on the same intellectual plane.
One gets to wear fancy robes though.
Khubla
The Mass is the most perfect form of retarded superstition.
Exactly.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Mass and Witchdoctors |
20 Feb 2006 07:25:22 PM |
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Khubla wrote:
A Pope performing Mass and an aboriginal African native dancing around
some plastic idol are both on the same intellectual plane.
Khubla
The Mass is the most perfect form of retarded superstition.
I remember seeing a series of pictures of some ugly voodoo
priestess smeared with chicken blood dancing around some
voodoo hut.
That for me summed up religious ceremony.
--
"If I saw a man beating a tied up horse, I could
not prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "No gay cowboy" |
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20 Feb 2006 10:35:15 PM |
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TIRED OF THE DAILY MASSIVE WILLIAM CHARLES BARWELL SPAM AND LIES?
Watch the man dig his grave deeper & deeper, laughing the whole way.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"...like you who have strutted here for a while and limped off,
credibility zero."
- William Charles Barwell (wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com)
news:<410ef98c$0$168$811e409b@news.mylinuxisp.com>...
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Delusional, dishonest, hippocrite William Charles Barwell
wants to talk about credibility zero? Dupe Charlie tried
his hand at revisionism regarding Arnie Lerma:
"Carto, founder of the Liberty Lobby, was
by far the most successful and influential
American anti-Semite of the 1970s."
- McVay, Kenneth N.
"We have the full support of Willis Carto..."
- Arnie Lerma
"I suggest that we don't promote my
relationship with Willis Carto ... "
- Arnie Lerma
"Arnie is no Nazi, no has any Nazi connections."
- William Charles Barwell
"One more time, Arnie is not an anti-Semite,
nor a member of the liberty Lobby, ect."
- William Charles Barwell
"...because I'm honest enough to
stand behind what I post."
- William Charles Barwell
"It makes me sick to think such evil,
ignorant, stupid, deeply ideologically
debased creatures dare to call themselves
either patriots or Americans, they are neither."
- William Charles Barwell
Next Barwell will try to discredit me with opinionated information
that has nothing to do with me. That's been his strategy against
me so far.
Faxhor
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A Layman's Guide to Willis Carto - NAZI
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ko&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=197c7921.0405042256.1d7137b8%40posting.google.com
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A new U.S. Law monitors and combats anti-semitism:
H. R. 4230
To authorize the establishment within the Department of State of an
Office to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism, to require inclusion in
annual Department of State reports of information concerning acts of
anti-Semitism around the world, and for other purposes.
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RE: Bigmouth Barwell
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c901bee5.0407240338.1d9e517f%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
This posting by Ms. Schwartz is also rather informative:
Stop defaming, lying, harassing and stalking me, William Charles
Barwell. Stop sabotaging all my postings, stop spamming, stop trying to
scream me down, just because you don't agree with me and get a life,
you low life form, and anti-free speech kook. I also find it despicable
that you defend Olihiyu @ yahoo.com. He confessed that he forged me
with ID BarbSchwarz @ yahoo.com. He signs his postings Jeremy Tucker. I
found a porn actor under that name on the web.
Barwell, go back where you came from, and that is hell, if I am not
very much mistaken. I swear, I take you on legally, like the others of
my stalkers before you.
William Charles Barwell spams and stalks me with the a defamatory free
speech controlled Wikipedia article about me (unprofessional Wikipedia
was founded by porn engine CEO Jimmy Wales and is subject to possible
class action law suit) scribbled by forger, defamer and sexual harasser
Korey Jerome Kruse and Eugenics fan and anti-religious extremist Tilman
Hausherr (Google their names).
Thanks to the generosity of Uncle Ton and Auto, for permission to use
their research:
Redneck William "Charlie" Barwell, from Houston, Texas, is a documented
hate monger, liar and spammer. He spams a list with defamatory books on
Scientology, also that one of Cyril Vosper, a convicted kidnapper and
felon. This guy kidnapped me and Barwell promotes him! Barwell should
be incarcerated. He is dangerous!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/582f20694...
He is member of the weird and money oriented SubGenius cult but
hypocritically attacks and defames Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard.
Barwell signed his postings as "pope", and his mental state is
questioned by others.
Barwell wrote he loves cats in white wine sauce, drinks beer, rum and
loves skunks. Redneck William "Charlie" Barwell is a shabby HATEFUL
PERSON, who could use a deodorant.
He is a spamming, lying weasel, a black propagandist,who posts
anti-Scientology hatred and defends p$ychiatric crimes. -
He can't see Arnie Lerma's Nazi connection even though it is right in
front of his face. (Willis Carto). William defends Arnie Lerma. -- "Not
really." - William Barwell . - "One more time, Arnie is not an
anti-Semite, nor a member of the liberty Lobby, ect." -
William Charles Barwell. Barwell was caught lying again.
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lerma1.html
Barbara Schwarz
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20 Feb 2006 10:40:27 PM |
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No gay cowboy wrote:
TIRED OF THE DAILY MASSIVE WILLIAM
Hey, Will..you've got a stalker! Want us to jump on `em for ya?
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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21 Feb 2006 03:30:41 AM |
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wrote:
No gay cowboy wrote:
TIRED OF THE DAILY MASSIVE WILLIAM
Hey, Will..you've got a stalker! Want us to jump on `em for ya?
If you want to toy with him, go ahead.
Alt.religion.scientology is experiencing
an influx of culties on a rampage trying to
drive critics off so we can't tell the newbies
just how bad this cult really is.
And what a liar Elron Hubbard was.
For example here is a lie Hubbard told about saving
America from revolt of the nuclear physicists. Hubbo
claimed himself to be a physicist though in actuality
he flunked out of college in 4 semesters. Check this out,
its a giggle and a hoot and teh biggest lie you ever heard.
Pointing stuff out like that makes litte culties mad.
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Amazing lies from Elron Hubbard about America's nuclear
physicists!
Sidesplitting humor from a pathological liar.
From that stirring and great book "All Aboubt Radiation" by
a "Nuclear Phsyicist", L Ron Hubbard founder of Stupidology.
1979
Ron tries to save the world.
"The Revolt of American Nuclear Physicists".
"At the end of WWII, a friend of mine, Lt. Commander of the
Coast Guard, Johnny Arwine, and myself went to the California
Institute of Technology (Cal Tech) to meet with a great many old
the original atomic bomb - from Alamogordo. It was our intention to
organize these people so that some sort of sensible control
could be monitored across the bomb. (sic)
Nobody had thought about it at this date, and Johnny Arwine
and I were still in uniform. We were both in the world of
engineering, then in the world of arts and then in the service.
(Hubbard flunked out of George Washington University after
4 semesters in 1932. He never had anything to do with engineering
whatsoever. He wrote pulp fiction a few free lance articles, not much
'art' One novel Buck Skin Brigades. He joined the Navy in July 1941.
He was released from active duty December, 1945.)
Neither of us had anything to do with atomic fission in it's
development. We got these atomic physicists together.
(Now look here you nuclear physicists, this here junior
coast guard officer and me, a flunkout writer of pulp fiction
and a Junior Lt. in the US Navy are gonna organize you guys cause you
can't make it on yer own...)
atomic fission against the human race. We had planned to use
any means we had to educate the people of the world concerning this.
The nuclear physicists were so furious at about this that Arwine
and I could not control the meeting. We could keep them in their
place, tell them to talk, but we couldn't get across any thought
that was even rationally workable. (sic)
These men said one thing: "We wish to overthrow the government of the
United States by force."
This is an astonishing chapter in the field of nuclear phsyics
which only a few of us know about. There was a revolt and later
on offices opened in the United States to propagandize the public
in a movement led by the late Albert Einstein.
Arwine and I failed and withdrew our support from that meeting
and did our best to calm them down. We reported the findings
to the Navy Department and the President.
We said we could not associate our names with this organization.
But the atomic physicist did try and he is not going to do so much
more because Albert Einstein is dead.
(I can't parse that one either.)
The other day I read the list of atomic scientists who are now dead.
and the very diseases radiation sickness breeds. They died
to a marked degree of radiation, mostly I suppose mentally
because they had exerted a tremendous overt act against the
world (overt act, Scientology lingo for an intentionally
harmful act) and have been unable to repair it in any way.
That is clear fact and not propaganda. I am just stating
that there was a backround where the nuclear physicist did
attempt to revolt.
The punishment taken against him was severe. The information
given here is not even vaguely confidential and I am not
in the possession of any confidential material."
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-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
--
"If I saw a man beating a tied up horse, I could
not prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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| Title: Re: Mass and Witchdoctors |
21 Feb 2006 06:17:17 PM |
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wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in news:11vln76ppbv6ma5
@corp.supernews.com:
panamfloyd@hotmail.com wrote:
No gay cowboy wrote:
TIRED OF THE DAILY MASSIVE WILLIAM
Hey, Will..you've got a stalker! Want us to jump on `em for ya?
If you want to toy with him, go ahead.
Alt.religion.scientology is experiencing
an influx of culties on a rampage trying to
drive critics off so we can't tell the newbies
just how bad this cult really is.
Many years ago when I was a student I met a guy who told me that he had
bumped into Hubbard at a science fiction conference some years before.
Hubbard announced to him that he was going out west to start a religion as
he thought there was a lot more money to be had from religion than he was
getting from science fiction writing.
Klazmon.
<SNIP>
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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21 Feb 2006 10:00:04 PM |
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Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:
wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in news:11vln76ppbv6ma5
@corp.supernews.com:
panamfloyd@hotmail.com wrote:
No gay cowboy wrote:
TIRED OF THE DAILY MASSIVE WILLIAM
Hey, Will..you've got a stalker! Want us to jump on `em for ya?
If you want to toy with him, go ahead.
Alt.religion.scientology is experiencing
an influx of culties on a rampage trying to
drive critics off so we can't tell the newbies
just how bad this cult really is.
Many years ago when I was a student I met a guy who told me that he had
bumped into Hubbard at a science fiction conference some years before.
Hubbard announced to him that he was going out west to start a religion
as he thought there was a lot more money to be had from religion than
he was getting from science fiction writing.
This was an old line Hubbard spouted for years before actually
doing it. He started that back in the 30's when he was in college.
He apparently had access to some $400 million in cash before
he died.
When he was on the lam from the law, he had weekly messagers
delivering him suitcases filled with $100 bills and high
quality cut gemstones.
--
"If I saw a man beating a tied up horse, I could
not prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "" |
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21 Feb 2006 03:43:41 AM |
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wbarwell wrote:
panamfloyd@hotmail.com wrote:
No gay cowboy wrote:
TIRED OF THE DAILY MASSIVE WILLIAM
Hey, Will..you've got a stalker! Want us to jump on `em for ya?
If you want to toy with him, go ahead.
Alt.religion.scientology is experiencing
an influx of culties on a rampage trying to
drive critics off so we can't tell the newbies
just how bad this cult really is.
$cientologists? I'll gladly follow you to the batcave..<g>
And what a liar Elron Hubbard was.
What, that glorious hero decorated eight times in three world wars?
<snicker>
I think he told the truth very well:
"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wanted to
make a million dollars, the best way to do it would be start his own
religion."
-LR Hubbard
For example here is a lie Hubbard told about saving
America from revolt of the nuclear physicists. Hubbo
claimed himself to be a physicist though in actuality
he flunked out of college in 4 semesters. Check this out,
its a giggle and a hoot and teh biggest lie you ever heard.
Pointing stuff out like that makes litte culties mad.
----------------------------------------------------------
Amazing lies from Elron Hubbard about America's nuclear
physicists!
Sidesplitting humor from a pathological liar.
From that stirring and great book "All Aboubt Radiation" by
a "Nuclear Phsyicist", L Ron Hubbard founder of Stupidology.
1979
Ron tries to save the world.
"The Revolt of American Nuclear Physicists".
"At the end of WWII, a friend of mine, Lt. Commander of the
Coast Guard, Johnny Arwine, and myself went to the California
Institute of Technology (Cal Tech) to meet with a great many old
the original atomic bomb - from Alamogordo. It was our intention to
organize these people so that some sort of sensible control
could be monitored across the bomb. (sic)
Nobody had thought about it at this date, and Johnny Arwine
and I were still in uniform. We were both in the world of
engineering, then in the world of arts and then in the service.
(Hubbard flunked out of George Washington University after
4 semesters in 1932. He never had anything to do with engineering
whatsoever. He wrote pulp fiction a few free lance articles, not much
'art' One novel Buck Skin Brigades. He joined the Navy in July 1941.
He was released from active duty December, 1945.)
Neither of us had anything to do with atomic fission in it's
development. We got these atomic physicists together.
(Now look here you nuclear physicists, this here junior
coast guard officer and me, a flunkout writer of pulp fiction
and a Junior Lt. in the US Navy are gonna organize you guys cause you
can't make it on yer own...)
atomic fission against the human race. We had planned to use
any means we had to educate the people of the world concerning this.
The nuclear physicists were so furious at about this that Arwine
and I could not control the meeting. We could keep them in their
place, tell them to talk, but we couldn't get across any thought
that was even rationally workable. (sic)
These men said one thing: "We wish to overthrow the government of the
United States by force."
This is an astonishing chapter in the field of nuclear phsyics
which only a few of us know about. There was a revolt and later
on offices opened in the United States to propagandize the public
in a movement led by the late Albert Einstein.
Arwine and I failed and withdrew our support from that meeting
and did our best to calm them down. We reported the findings
to the Navy Department and the President.
We said we could not associate our names with this organization.
But the atomic physicist did try and he is not going to do so much
more because Albert Einstein is dead.
(I can't parse that one either.)
The other day I read the list of atomic scientists who are now dead.
and the very diseases radiation sickness breeds. They died
to a marked degree of radiation, mostly I suppose mentally
because they had exerted a tremendous overt act against the
world (overt act, Scientology lingo for an intentionally
harmful act) and have been unable to repair it in any way.
That is clear fact and not propaganda. I am just stating
that there was a backround where the nuclear physicist did
attempt to revolt.
The punishment taken against him was severe. The information
given here is not even vaguely confidential and I am not
in the possession of any confidential material."
I had not heard about that one. Man, that guy was a real piece of work.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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21 Feb 2006 02:16:54 PM |
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wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
wrote:
No gay cowboy wrote:
TIRED OF THE DAILY MASSIVE WILLIAM
Hey, Will..you've got a stalker! Want us to jump on `em for ya?
If you want to toy with him, go ahead.
Alt.religion.scientology is experiencing
an influx of culties on a rampage trying to
drive critics off so we can't tell the newbies
just how bad this cult really is.
$cientologists? I'll gladly follow you to the batcave..<g>
And what a liar Elron Hubbard was.
What, that glorious hero decorated eight times in three world wars?
<snicker>
8 Times? He claimed 24 and then 27 medals!
Including two medals that didn't exist.
He claimed to have invented live fire training,
battle conditioning and was responsible for
the independent US airforce.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/cos/warhero/
Check this out, Chris Owen's magnificent
"Ron the War Hero - His Struggle with Truth"
The FOIA allow copies of Hubbard's records
to be obtained and checked against his claims.
It is rare somebody gets this thoroughly debunked.
A truely well done production.
I think he told the truth very well:
"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wanted to
make a million dollars, the best way to do it would be start his own
religion."
-LR Hubbard
For example here is a lie Hubbard told about saving
America from revolt of the nuclear physicists. Hubbo
claimed himself to be a physicist though in actuality
he flunked out of college in 4 semesters. Check this out,
its a giggle and a hoot and teh biggest lie you ever heard.
Pointing stuff out like that makes litte culties mad.
----------------------------------------------------------
Amazing lies from Elron Hubbard about America's nuclear
physicists!
Sidesplitting humor from a pathological liar.
From that stirring and great book "All Aboubt Radiation" by
a "Nuclear Phsyicist", L Ron Hubbard founder of Stupidology.
1979
Ron tries to save the world.
"The Revolt of American Nuclear Physicists".
"At the end of WWII, a friend of mine, Lt. Commander of the
Coast Guard, Johnny Arwine, and myself went to the California
Institute of Technology (Cal Tech) to meet with a great many old
the original atomic bomb - from Alamogordo. It was our intention to
organize these people so that some sort of sensible control
could be monitored across the bomb. (sic)
Nobody had thought about it at this date, and Johnny Arwine
and I were still in uniform. We were both in the world of
engineering, then in the world of arts and then in the service.
(Hubbard flunked out of George Washington University after
4 semesters in 1932. He never had anything to do with engineering
whatsoever. He wrote pulp fiction a few free lance articles, not much
'art' One novel Buck Skin Brigades. He joined the Navy in July 1941.
He was released from active duty December, 1945.)
Neither of us had anything to do with atomic fission in it's
development. We got these atomic physicists together.
(Now look here you nuclear physicists, this here junior
coast guard officer and me, a flunkout writer of pulp fiction
and a Junior Lt. in the US Navy are gonna organize you guys cause you
can't make it on yer own...)
atomic fission against the human race. We had planned to use
any means we had to educate the people of the world concerning this.
The nuclear physicists were so furious at about this that Arwine
and I could not control the meeting. We could keep them in their
place, tell them to talk, but we couldn't get across any thought
that was even rationally workable. (sic)
These men said one thing: "We wish to overthrow the government of the
United States by force."
This is an astonishing chapter in the field of nuclear phsyics
which only a few of us know about. There was a revolt and later
on offices opened in the United States to propagandize the public
in a movement led by the late Albert Einstein.
Arwine and I failed and withdrew our support from that meeting
and did our best to calm them down. We reported the findings
to the Navy Department and the President.
We said we could not associate our names with this organization.
But the atomic physicist did try and he is not going to do so much
more because Albert Einstein is dead.
(I can't parse that one either.)
The other day I read the list of atomic scientists who are now dead.
and the very diseases radiation sickness breeds. They died
to a marked degree of radiation, mostly I suppose mentally
because they had exerted a tremendous overt act against the
world (overt act, Scientology lingo for an intentionally
harmful act) and have been unable to repair it in any way.
That is clear fact and not propaganda. I am just stating
that there was a backround where the nuclear physicist did
attempt to revolt.
The punishment taken against him was severe. The information
given here is not even vaguely confidential and I am not
in the possession of any confidential material."
I had not heard about that one. Man, that guy was a real piece of work.
He actually delivered this on a stage in London.
I have the cassette tape of that performance. Its
obvious he really rehearsed this one well. A
truely amazing lie. A good performance though.
At this time in London, he had also gotten a diploma
mill degree in philosophy and went around claimimg to
be a degreed philosopher. He also claimed repeatedly
to be an engineer.
The English press found out about his
Evergreen University diploma mill degree and Hubbard
put an ad in the London Times angrily "resigning"
his degrees because he didn't want to be held
culpable for the bad things scientists were doing
in the world. An excuse for his culties as to why
all of a sudden was no longer Doctor Hubbard.
The cult still claims he was an expert in "28
fields of human endeavor".
He later invented the purification rundown, a scheme
where by members of his cult sat in Saunas for weeks
drinking vegitable oil and big handfuls of vitamin megadoses.
This was supposed to get rid of past accumulations of drugs in
your body.
He later on gave his PR people hundred of thousands of
dollars to pursue a Nobel Prize in medicine for his work.
You got to admire his jutzpah and inventiveness.
This is endlessly entertaining. After 20 years
I am stilling occasionally finding more Hubbard lies.
He had to be one of the amazing all time great liars
outside of professional politicians.
--
"If I saw a man beating a tied up horse, I could
not prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Mass and Witchdoctors |
21 Feb 2006 03:23:01 AM |
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No gay cowboy wrote:
Oh dear, my Scientology smear artist buddies have followed me here.
Scientology smear and hate becuse I dared call
Elron Hubbard a fraud and a cult leader.
This fool is probably a jerk named Robert Carlton.
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Elron's Racist writings. Hubbard the racist bigot.
The South African native is probably the one impossible person
to train in the entire world? he is probably impossible by any
human standard.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditor's Bulletin, No. 119, 1 September
1957.
.....
....it is easily seen that a primary requisite in any program of the
rehabilitation of the Bantu in South Africa would be mental health...
-L. Ron Hubbard, HCOB April 1960, "The Scientific Treatment of the
Insane"
The South African Rundown, the only Scientology rundown targeted at a
specific ethnic group, was developed for "delivery to South Africans,
those who
reside in South Africa as well as those who have emigrated to other parts
of
the world". Hubbard apparently felt they required special processing
because
they were "untrainable" and "insane".
The Church's auditing tool, the E-meter, requires adjustment in order to
accommodate
the needle's larger movements because of the intensity of a Bantu's
undisclosed
transgressions ("withholds").
A "black South African's" withholds read not only on the needle [of the
E-meter]
alone but on the Tone Arm [sensitivity adjustment] as well.
-L. Ron Hubbard, E-Meter Essentials, section I: "Meter Oddities", 1988
(pg. 24)
....
Because the one thing, the very, very commercial little culture the Bantu
has
... the idea of commerce and money and that sort of thing is very deeply
ingrained in these people.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Saint Hill Special Briefing Course, "Errors in Time", 18
July 1963
Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought is one of Scientology's basic
public
texts and has this to say about African "savages":
Just as individuals can be seen, by observing nations, so we see the
African
tribesman, with his complete contempt for truth and his emphasis on
brutality
and savagery for others but not for himself, is a no-civilization.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought, Bridge
Publications: Los Angeles, 1997.
It was republished in 1997, perpetuating Hubbard's racist view of
Africans.
....
....the Zulu is only outside the bars of a madhouse because there are no
madhouses
provided by his tribe.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, Bridge
Publications,
Los Angeles, 1995.
The Church runs security checks on members suspected of certain criminal
behaviors.
The Johannesburg Security Check was "the roughest security check in
Scientology"
and consisted of a series of pointed questions which the Scientologist
must answer
while on the E-meter (used in this case not as an auditing tool but as a
lie
detector). The contents of this security check were later incorporated
into The
Only Valid Security Check. Included in the list of "crimes" is engaging
in an
intimate relationship with a member of a "colored" race. Selected portion
of
the questions:
Have you ever slept with a member of a race of another color?
Have you ever committed culpable homicide?
Have you ever bombed anything?
Have you ever murdered anyone?
Have you ever kidnapped anyone?
-L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter (HCOPL) 7
April 1961, "Johannesburg Security Check"
-L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy "Letter (HCOPL)
22 May 1961, "The Only Valid Security Check"
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There are hints that Scientology membership was limited to whites, at
least
initially, in the orgs of southern Africa. In the first quote, Hubbard is
concerned about the World Bank taking control of England and the general
advance of Communism. He believes a stronghold of civilization can be set
up in Africa to ensure the survival of white Anglo-American culture. In
the second quote, Hubbard praises the South African org, that, in spite
of the limited white population from which to recruit, managed to
outproduce
all other Scientology orgs.
Now if we can get white population, immigrants and big companies and so
on moving
into Africa and if we can get with that Scientology well established in
Southern
Africa, why we can then look forward to a salvage operation base, in case
the
northern hemisphere's lights go out.
-L. Ron Hubbard, recorded talk to the Saint Hill staff about Rhodesia, 6
May 1966
As South Africa has a white population of only 2.8 million or
thereabouts, you
can see that every other central organization in the world has been
out-created.
-L. Ron Hubbard, HCOB 17 July 1959, "Africa over the Top"
Hubbard sought to create a Scientology homeland in South Africa or
Rhodesia (Zimbabwe).
The Church claims it opposed the white minority governments (yet most of
its activity
in the early years took place in colonial states where whites ruled and
English was
the official language: England, United States, Australia, South Africa,
Rhodesia);
Hubbard, however, appears to have thought the problem of apartheid was
overstated.
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It is considered in England and the United States that the Government of
South Africa
is altogether too harsh with its native peoples. It is sadly humorous to
notice that
the native in South Africa, however, holds an exactly reverse opinion and
the fault
he finds with the South African Government is that it is far too lenient
in its
administration of laws throughout the native populace.
-L. Ron Hubbard, PAB No. 96, "Justice", 15 September 1956
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The problem of South Africa is different than the world thinks. There is
no native
problem. The native worker gets more than white workers do in England!
....
The South African government is not a police state. It's easier on people
than
the United States government!
-L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin (HCOB) 10 October
1960
(quoted in Scientology's Fight for Apartheid by Chris Owen)
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Hubbard praises the South African government's handling of the black
slums in Johannesburg:
Having viewed slum clearance projects in most major cities of the world
may I state that you have
conceived and created in the Johannesburg townships what is probably the
most impressive and
adequate resettlement activity in existence.
L. Ron Hubbard, Letter to South African Apartheid Government, 7 November
1960, Johannesburg; reprinted
in K.T.C. Kotzé, Inquiry into the Effects and Practices of Scientology,
Pretoria, 1973 (as quoted by
Chris Owen in Scientology's Fight for Apartheid)
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Illiterate cultures do not survive and they are not very high. The
natives
of the tribe of the Bugga-Bugga-Booga-Boogas down in Lower Bugga-Wugga
Booga-Woog are mostly no longer with us, or they are around waving red
flags today and revolting against their central government.
Well, the British Tommy that went down there with his Snider, or his
Lee-Enfield, and brought them higher education in the first place was
only occasionally followed by anybody who taught them anything. And
they didn't learn fast. Their literacy was not up to absorbing culture
rapidly.
They've been very happily down amongst the bong-bong trees, you know,
dancing up and down amongst the bong-bong trees, and the highest level
of their interest and so forth was their own back yard.
-L. Ron Hubbard, The Study Tapes, "Study: Evaluation and Information",
lecture given 11 August 1964
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You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get
yourself
a *****; that's what they're born for.
-L Ron Hubbard, in a letter to first wife, Polly Grubb
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Actually, have you ever noticed how a Negro, in particular down south,
where they're pretty close to the soil, personifies MEST? The gatepost
and the wagon and the whip and anything around there?a hat. They talk
to them, you know. "What'sa mattuh wi' you hat?" They imbue them with
personality.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Therapy section of Technique 80, Part I, "Route to
Infinity", 21 May 1952
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Unlike yellow and brown people, the white does not usually believe he can
get
attention from matter or objects.
....
The white goes further. He often believes he can get attention only from
whites and that yellow and brown people's attention is worthless. Thus
the yellow and brown races are not very progressive, but, by and large,
saner.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought, Bridge
Publications: Los Angeles, 1997.
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Now we say there's, well, another place in the world?there's India.
Wonderful place ? except for its people.
-L. Ron Hubbard, "The Control of Hysteria" (lecture), 15 April 1957.
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In North Africa they had the Arab with the gun and whip, but he could
force people to do things a gun and a whip [sic] and he accomplished
a tremendous amount of extermination, but he certainly didn't advance
that civilization very much.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditor's Bulletin, No. 119, 1 September
1957, as published in Level 0 PABS (c.1968, The American St. Hill
Organization) (as quoted by Chris Owen in Scientology's Fight for
Apartheid)
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He's [the Arab] been going crazy steadily and gradually ever since he
lost the early very fertile basins of the Middle East. He's been going
crazy ever since he failed to learn wheat farming and brought about
the erosion of all of the fertile areas of the Middle East.
This race has been going for a very, very long time and has been
eating death for a very long time and it is death.
The Arab is to a point where he won't even follow a decent leader.
He's got to have a man of blood, a man of cruelty, exaggeration
and bigotry. Then he'll follow him.
....the Arab is trying to be pleased with death and murder and mayhem
and disease and poverty and political unrest.
-L. Ron Hubbard, 20th Advanced Clinical Course, "Case Analysis rock
Hunting",
lecture of 4 August 1958
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Hubbard on Egyptians:
Past civilizations have vanished, you see...Hindi, Greek, Roman,
European, they did vanish. These little beaten-down peasants you
see in France were once the proud Romans. Those small brown men w
ho sell their sisters on the streets of Cairo were once the mighty
Egyptians.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Ability, issue 56, October 1957, quoted in Winning
("News Journal of the Office of Special Affairs") vol.1, iss.3, 1997
(quoted in a.r.s. post by Peter Lucey)
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Hubbard on Jews
Furthermore, [Sigmund Freud] had a racial fixation on sex, a
fixation sufficiently pronounced to cause it to infect contagiously
all modern European stock.
-L. Ron Hubbard, PAB No. 92, "A Critique of Psychoanalysis", 10 July 1956
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This is the only way I know of to keep Anzo from being deluged with
Asiatic hordes.
-L. Ron Hubbard, HCO Information Letter, "Anzo Supplement", 17 February
1969
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Japanese is a baby talk ? very, very hard to read, very, very, easy to
talk.
... A very faint kind of language.
-L. Ron Hubbard, New Slant on Life, Bridge Publications, 1997.
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One of the reasons they [the Japanese] have bad eyesight is
probably these microscopic characters [furigana] which have
many lines and strokes to them. ... We wonder why they went
mad and bombed Pearl Harbor when they knew they couldn't win.
That [the Japanese language] would be a reason.
-L. Ron Hubbard, "The Part Played by the Analytical Mind" (
lecture), 19 July 1950 (as quoted by Anthony Roberts in a.r.s. post)
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A science of mind is a goal which has engrossed thousands of
generations of Man. Armies, dynasties and whole civilizations have
perished for the lack of it. Rome went to dust for the want of it.
China swims in blood for the need of it; and down in the arsenal
is an atom bomb, its hopeful nose full-armed in ignorance of it.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health,
Chapter 1: "The Scope of Dianetics", Church of Scientology of
California Publication Organization, Los Angeles, CA, 1950
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When this government [Chiang Kaishek's] finally fell there was
no one ready to teach the Chinese the human way of life.
-L. Ron Hubbard, The Dianetic Auditor's Bulletin, Vol. 2, No.
1, "Education and the Auditor", July 1951
And we see at the other extreme China, slavishly dedicated to
ancient scholars, incapable of generating within herself sufficient
rulers to continue, without bloodshed, a nation.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Fundamentals of Thought, Chapter "Causation and
Knowledge", Section "Civilization and Savagery", page 113-114, 1997.
You can put these things into the hands of some Chinese and send
him to Hong Kong and we'll have cleared chinks.
-L. Ron Hubbard, tape 5211C06A LS-1, "Methods of Research - The
Thetan as an Energy Unit"; also known as "Secrets of the MEST
Universe", lecture 1)
....[The Chinese] have neither the foresight or endurance to
overrun any white country in any way except by intermarriage.
One American marine could stand off a great many yellowmen
without much effort.
A Chinaman can not live up to a thing, he always drags it down.
They smell of all the baths they didn't take.
The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here.
-L. Ron Hubbard, personal journal, 1928.
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--
"If I saw a man beating a tied up horse, I could
not prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
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21 Feb 2006 03:04:46 PM |
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Khubla wrote:
A Pope performing Mass and an aboriginal African native dancing around
some plastic idol are both on the same intellectual plane.
Well, yeah, because they're both practicing sympathetic magic. The
theologicaly inclined, however, see it this way: if white Americans
believe it, it's religon. If just those brown people on the other side
of the ocean believe in it, well, then it's just superstition. That's
how you tell.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| User: "Richo" |
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20 Feb 2006 07:48:58 PM |
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Khubla wrote:
A Pope performing Mass and an aboriginal African native dancing around some
plastic idol are both on the same intellectual plane.
Yeah and...?
Mark.
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20 Feb 2006 09:36:17 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Khubla
(khubla@adelphia.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
A Pope performing Mass and an aboriginal African native dancing around
some plastic idol are both on the same intellectual plane.
Sounds like a quote by Howard Stern.
"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think
there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading
around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and
praying to a rock."
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011, aw Hellboy #5
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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