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"derng" |
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01 Dec 2003 02:31:44 PM |
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Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
Excerpts from http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/radio034.htm
.... Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, ...he had 456 identifying
characteristics well in advance, and fulfilled them all! In fact, what does
the science of probability make of this?
The science of probability attempts to determine the chance that a given
event will occur. The value and accuracy of the science of probability has
been well established beyond doubt - for example, insurance rates are fixed
according to statistical probabilities.
Professor Emeritus of Science at Westmont College, Peter Stoner, has
calculated the probability of one man fulfilling the major prophecies made
concerning the Messiah. The estimates were worked out by twelve different
classes representing some 600 university students.
The students carefully weighed all the factors, discussed each prophecy at
length, and examined the various circumstances which might indicate that men
had conspired together to fulfill a particular prophecy. They made their
estimates conservative enough so that there was finally unanimous agreement
even among the most skeptical students.
However Professor Stoner then took their estimates, and made them even more
conservative. He also encouraged other skeptics or scientists to make their
own estimates to see if his conclusions were more than fair. Finally, he
submitted his figures for review to a committee of the American Scientific
Affiliation. Upon examination, they verified that his calculations were
dependable and accurate in regard to the scientific material presented
(Peter Stoner, Science Speaks, Chicago: Moody Press, 1969, 4).
For example, concerning Micah 5:2, where it states the Messiah would be born
in Bethlehem Ephrathah, Stoner and his students determined the average
population of BETHLEHEM from the time of Micah to the present; then they
divided it by the average population of the earth during the same period.
They concluded that the chance of one man being born in Bethlehem was one in
300,000, (or one in 2.8 x 10^5 - rounded),
After examining only eight different prophecies (Idem, 106), they
conservatively estimated that the chance of one man fulfilling all eight
prophecies was one in 10^17.
From these figures, Professor Stoner, concludes the fulfillment of these
eight prophecies alone proves that God inspired the writing of the
prophecies (Idem, 107) - the likelihood of mere chance is only one in 10^17!
Another way of saying this is that any person who minimizes or ignores the
significance of the biblical identifying signs concerning the Messiah would
be foolish.
But, of course, there are many more than eight prophecies. In another
calculation, Stoner used 48 prophecies (Idem, 109) (even though he could
have used Edersheim's 456), and arrived at the extremely conservative
estimate that the probability of 48 prophecies being fulfilled in one person
is the incredible number 10^157. In fact, if anybody can find someone,
living or dead, other than Jesus, who can fulfill only half of the
predictions concerning the Messiah given in the book "Messiah in Both
Testaments" by Fred J. Meldau, the Christian Victory Publishing Company is
ready to give a ONE thousand dollar reward! As apologist Josh McDowell says,
"There are a lot of men in the universities that could use some extra cash!"
(Josh McDowell, Evidence that Demands a Verdict, California: Campus Crusade
for Christ, 175).
This is the result from considering a mere 48 prophecies. Obviously, the
probability that 456 prophecies would be fulfilled in one man by chance is
vastly smaller. According to Emile Borel, once one goes past one chance in
10^50, the probabilities are so small that it is impossible to think that
they will ever occur (Ankerberg et. al., op. cit., 21).
As Stoner concludes, 'Any man who rejects Christ as the Son of God is
rejecting a fact, proved perhaps more absolutely than any other fact in the
world (Stoner, op. cit., 112).'
God so thoroughly vindicated Jesus Christ that even mathematicians and
statisticians, who were without faith, had to acknowledge that it is
scientifically impossible to deny that Jesus is the Christ. our thanks to
David Williams, a mathematician who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Yes, sir, God so thoroughly vindicated Jesus Christ the unbeliever will be
speechless at the judgment. But Jesus Christ was sent to Israel at the end
of their dispensation, when their denominations were apostate. And God is no
respecter of persons. He promised to reveal and vindicate Jesus Christ to us
Gentiles at the end of our dispensation, when our denominations are
apostate.
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| User: "Billy Goat" |
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| Title: Re: Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
04 Dec 2003 10:31:00 AM |
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"derng" <derng@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bql5o60crk@enews1.newsguy.com>...
You dimwit. There is plenty of historical reporting of events in the Bible
that one can understand and learn from without 'accepting' that Jesus is
God. There is also plenty of philosophy and life advice such as in Proverbs.
And even if one believes that some of the stories were embellished somehow
there again are lessons to learn from the trials and tribulations of the
people described. You are just too fucking stupid to even appreciate any of
it. Moron. (And save me the fucking speech about how calling you a fucking
moron is not "Christian" enough for you. You fucking moron.)
Jesus supposedly said, "love your enemies, and be kind to those who
persecute you". Those aren't *my* standards for Christians. Those are
Christ's standards for Christians. If you disobey Christ, that's not
my fault.
--Billy
(I still haven't called you any names)
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| User: "derng" |
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04 Dec 2003 11:06:10 AM |
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You don't even believe that Jesus existed! So what the ***** are you talking
about what he said or didn't say? You give about as much fucking crap what
Daffy Duck said! That is what makes atheists so fucking ridiculous. You want
to have your cake and eat it to. What a bunch of jokers.
"Billy Goat" <ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6bd3c70a.0312040831.66ef31c@posting.google.com...
"derng" <derng@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<bql5o60crk@enews1.newsguy.com>...
You dimwit. There is plenty of historical reporting of events in the
Bible
that one can understand and learn from without 'accepting' that Jesus is
God. There is also plenty of philosophy and life advice such as in
Proverbs.
And even if one believes that some of the stories were embellished
somehow
there again are lessons to learn from the trials and tribulations of the
people described. You are just too fucking stupid to even appreciate any
of
it. Moron. (And save me the fucking speech about how calling you a
fucking
moron is not "Christian" enough for you. You fucking moron.)
Jesus supposedly said, "love your enemies, and be kind to those who
persecute you". Those aren't *my* standards for Christians. Those are
Christ's standards for Christians. If you disobey Christ, that's not
my fault.
--Billy
(I still haven't called you any names)
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| User: "Billy Goat" |
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05 Dec 2003 10:43:49 AM |
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"derng" <derng@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bqnq7v01bru@enews1.newsguy.com>...
You don't even believe that Jesus existed! So what the ***** are you talking
about what he said or didn't say? You give about as much fucking crap what
Daffy Duck said!
But if *you* cared about what Jesus said, *you* would obey Him.
You're disobeying Him.
--Billy
(Since this is crossposted to a Christian group, I'm curious to see
what other Christians think about this guy. Is his anger and foul
language typical of Christianity?)
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| User: "derng" |
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05 Dec 2003 11:19:30 AM |
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How so? Other than perhaps letting some name-calling atheists get me to
respond to them in kind I've done nothing but try to report the truth. Maybe
I do need to learn how to ignore the insults better but just because someone
tries to be a Christian doesn't mean they have to lie down and just take
whatever anyone dumps on them. Responding to them with the King's English
isn't the answer either. You have to admit there are some extremely moronic
exchanges and I just join in sometimes. Martin Luther was known to have used
a few choice phrases himself on occasion. Foul language per se may not be
'nice' but it is not a sin in the sense that taking the Lord's name in vain
is. But it still amazes me how atheists can even begin to preach to anyone
who is even trying to witness for the Lord when all you do is reject it out
of hand and even claim that Jesus never lived. Get real.
"Billy Goat" <ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6bd3c70a.0312050843.26c046e3@posting.google.com...
"derng" <derng@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<bqnq7v01bru@enews1.newsguy.com>...
You don't even believe that Jesus existed! So what the ***** are you
talking
about what he said or didn't say? You give about as much fucking crap
what
Daffy Duck said!
But if *you* cared about what Jesus said, *you* would obey Him.
You're disobeying Him.
--Billy
(Since this is crossposted to a Christian group, I'm curious to see
what other Christians think about this guy. Is his anger and foul
language typical of Christianity?)
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| User: "Jim07D3" |
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05 Dec 2003 03:40:23 PM |
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"derng" <derng@hotmail.com> said:
How so? Other than perhaps letting some name-calling atheists get me to
respond to them in kind I've done nothing but try to report the truth. Maybe
I do need to learn how to ignore the insults better but just because someone
tries to be a Christian doesn't mean they have to lie down and just take
whatever anyone dumps on them.
Matthew 5:39
Jim07D3
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| User: "Billy Goat" |
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07 Dec 2003 01:12:45 AM |
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"derng" <derng@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bqqjcv0jts@enews4.newsguy.com>...
How so? Other than perhaps letting some name-calling atheists get me to
respond to them in kind I've done nothing but try to report the truth. Maybe
I do need to learn how to ignore the insults better but just because someone
tries to be a Christian doesn't mean they have to lie down and just take
whatever anyone dumps on them. Responding to them with the King's English
isn't the answer either. You have to admit there are some extremely moronic
exchanges and I just join in sometimes. Martin Luther was known to have used
a few choice phrases himself on occasion. Foul language per se may not be
'nice' but it is not a sin in the sense that taking the Lord's name in vain
is. But it still amazes me how atheists can even begin to preach to anyone
who is even trying to witness for the Lord when all you do is reject it out
of hand and even claim that Jesus never lived. Get real.
And it amazes me how people can disobey the Bible and still call
themselves "Christians". I don't have to believe the Bible is true to
notice when you disobey it. It's hard to take a religion seriously
when its own followers won't.
You should also realize that most of the atheists here were raised
Christian. I can't speak for everyone, but I can tell you that when I
trusted the Bible without question, I was miserable. I wanted to kill
myself. I was convinced I had to kill a high school friend, because
the Bible said so. The Bible taught me to fear joy. It made me
paranoid.
I'm living a much more fulfilling life as an atheist. I'm even capable
of human relationships now, even though the Bible forbids it (Luke
14:26). If I show hostility to Christians who try to show me "the
truth", it's because I know that they're trying to turn me evil again.
I must defend myself.
--Billy
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Dec 2003 11:06:59 AM |
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And so upon Sat, 06 Dec 2003 23:12:45 -0800 didst Billy Goat speak thusly:
"derng" <derng@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bqqjcv0jts@enews4.newsguy.com>...
How so? Other than perhaps letting some name-calling atheists get me to
respond to them in kind I've done nothing but try to report the truth. Maybe
I do need to learn how to ignore the insults better but just because someone
tries to be a Christian doesn't mean they have to lie down and just take
whatever anyone dumps on them. Responding to them with the King's English
isn't the answer either. You have to admit there are some extremely moronic
exchanges and I just join in sometimes. Martin Luther was known to have used
a few choice phrases himself on occasion. Foul language per se may not be
'nice' but it is not a sin in the sense that taking the Lord's name in vain
is. But it still amazes me how atheists can even begin to preach to anyone
who is even trying to witness for the Lord when all you do is reject it out
of hand and even claim that Jesus never lived. Get real.
And it amazes me how people can disobey the Bible and still call
themselves "Christians". I don't have to believe the Bible is true to
notice when you disobey it. It's hard to take a religion seriously
when its own followers won't.
You should also realize that most of the atheists here were raised
Christian. I can't speak for everyone, but I can tell you that when I
trusted the Bible without question, I was miserable. I wanted to kill
myself. I was convinced I had to kill a high school friend, because
the Bible said so. The Bible taught me to fear joy. It made me
paranoid.
I'm living a much more fulfilling life as an atheist. I'm even capable
of human relationships now, even though the Bible forbids it (Luke
14:26). If I show hostility to Christians who try to show me "the
truth", it's because I know that they're trying to turn me evil again.
I must defend myself.
Talk about taking the words right outta my mouth.
Except the part about being convinced I had to kill someone. Never had
that one. 'Course, I was raised in a fundamentalism that basically
internalizes all the hate and intolerance. My family was always too busy
beating ourselves up to put much effort into abusing anybody else...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Varicose Brain" |
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07 Dec 2003 07:43:26 AM |
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On 6 Dec 2003 23:12:45 -0800, (Billy Goat) wrote:
And it amazes me how people can disobey the Bible and still call
themselves "Christians". I don't have to believe the Bible is true to
notice when you disobey it. It's hard to take a religion seriously
when its own followers won't.
You should also realize that most of the atheists here were raised
Christian. I can't speak for everyone, but I can tell you that when I
trusted the Bible without question, I was miserable. I wanted to kill
myself. I was convinced I had to kill a high school friend, because
the Bible said so. The Bible taught me to fear joy. It made me
paranoid.
I'm living a much more fulfilling life as an atheist. I'm even capable
of human relationships now, even though the Bible forbids it (Luke
14:26). If I show hostility to Christians who try to show me "the
truth", it's because I know that they're trying to turn me evil again.
I must defend myself.
--Billy
I had a similar upbringing. My brother and I were only allowed to
associate with kids in church youth group, and they were basically a
bunch of snobs with whom I had nothing in common. Any rebellion or
questioning of parental authority would result in a slap across the
face, or the threat of having something done to you while you slept.
This often would be accented with something like, "That's nothing
compared to what god will do to you if you don't listen to him." Yet,
any outsider would think that we were the perfect family and that my
parents were such wonderful Christian people.
This affected my relationships with people in my early adult years. It
wasn't until I was almost thrifty that I was able to break free of the
mentality that had been drilled into me from an early age.
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| User: "Peter" |
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07 Dec 2003 01:35:42 PM |
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WELL YOU CERTAINLY WAS NOT STUDYING FROM THE TORAH THE TRUE BIBLE. NOT THAT
CHRISTIAN STUFF.
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Peter
http://atcoalition.showsit.info/
http://main.faithfreedom.org/
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:d396tvcvimr9ms5ob7cf6kmk24r8ijdgon@4ax.com...
On 6 Dec 2003 23:12:45 -0800, (Billy Goat) wrote:
And it amazes me how people can disobey the Bible and still call
themselves "Christians". I don't have to believe the Bible is true to
notice when you disobey it. It's hard to take a religion seriously
when its own followers won't.
You should also realize that most of the atheists here were raised
Christian. I can't speak for everyone, but I can tell you that when I
trusted the Bible without question, I was miserable. I wanted to kill
myself. I was convinced I had to kill a high school friend, because
the Bible said so. The Bible taught me to fear joy. It made me
paranoid.
I'm living a much more fulfilling life as an atheist. I'm even capable
of human relationships now, even though the Bible forbids it (Luke
14:26). If I show hostility to Christians who try to show me "the
truth", it's because I know that they're trying to turn me evil again.
I must defend myself.
--Billy
I had a similar upbringing. My brother and I were only allowed to
associate with kids in church youth group, and they were basically a
bunch of snobs with whom I had nothing in common. Any rebellion or
questioning of parental authority would result in a slap across the
face, or the threat of having something done to you while you slept.
This often would be accented with something like, "That's nothing
compared to what god will do to you if you don't listen to him." Yet,
any outsider would think that we were the perfect family and that my
parents were such wonderful Christian people.
This affected my relationships with people in my early adult years. It
wasn't until I was almost thrifty that I was able to break free of the
mentality that had been drilled into me from an early age.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Dec 2003 08:10:18 AM |
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And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:35:42 +0000 didst Peter speak thusly:
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
If the West hadn't barged in and used force and fiat to create the state
of Israel, there wouldn't be much going on over there at all...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Varicose Brain" |
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08 Dec 2003 02:04:12 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:10:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<see.blog@sig.below> wrote:
And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:35:42 +0000 didst Peter speak thusly:
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
If the West hadn't barged in and used force and fiat to create the state
of Israel, there wouldn't be much going on over there at all...
I can think of no other ethnic group that has been given their own
country, simply because they were victims of a genocide at the whim of
a madman.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Dec 2003 04:25:46 PM |
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And so upon Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:04:12 -0500 didst Varicose Brain speak
thusly:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:10:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<see.blog@sig.below> wrote:
And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:35:42 +0000 didst Peter speak thusly:
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
If the West hadn't barged in and used force and fiat to create the state
of Israel, there wouldn't be much going on over there at all...
I can think of no other ethnic group that has been given their own
country, simply because they were victims of a genocide at the whim of
a madman.
I love the participation of the US in the process.
I mean, what about the 200+ nations right *HERE?*
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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07 Dec 2003 01:41:58 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:35:42 GMT, "Peter" <peterusa@optonline.net>
wrote:
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
Two cliches which display the poster's remarkable ignorance of recent
history. We have been interfering in the Arabs' countries ever since
oil was dicovered there. We installed rulers who would give us the oil
and did everything we could to keep them in power against the wished
of their citizenry. And to cap it all we took their land that wasn't
ours to give, and gave it to refugees from the holocaust to form a new
country whose inhabitants ethnically cleansed the previous occupants.
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| User: "The Holy Kafir" |
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07 Dec 2003 02:42:44 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:qc07tvs8m0of6ocfgaqvla22mqnbsgspuq@4ax.com...
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:35:42 GMT, "Peter" <peterusa@optonline.net>
wrote:
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more
violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
Two cliches which display the poster's remarkable ignorance of recent
history. We have been interfering in the Arabs' countries ever since
oil was dicovered there. We installed rulers who would give us the oil
and did everything we could to keep them in power against the wished
of their citizenry. And to cap it all we took their land that wasn't
ours to give, and gave it to refugees from the holocaust to form a new
country whose inhabitants ethnically cleansed the previous occupants.
And you cite clichés as well.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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07 Dec 2003 04:11:33 PM |
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On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:42:44 -0500, "The Holy Kafir" <x@x.x> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:qc07tvs8m0of6ocfgaqvla22mqnbsgspuq@4ax.com...
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:35:42 GMT, "Peter" <peterusa@optonline.net>
wrote:
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more
violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
Two cliches which display the poster's remarkable ignorance of recent
history. We have been interfering in the Arabs' countries ever since
oil was dicovered there. We installed rulers who would give us the oil
and did everything we could to keep them in power against the wished
of their citizenry. And to cap it all we took their land that wasn't
ours to give, and gave it to refugees from the holocaust to form a new
country whose inhabitants ethnically cleansed the previous occupants.
And you cite clichés as well.
I cite what is common knowledge that was reported over the last few
decades in the rest of the world's news media. But of which most
Americans are ignorant.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
07 Dec 2003 06:46:16 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:gj87tvku8odmjr3mljgiirm5b49ovakhmi@4ax.com...
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:42:44 -0500, "The Holy Kafir" <x@x.x> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:qc07tvs8m0of6ocfgaqvla22mqnbsgspuq@4ax.com...
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:35:42 GMT, "Peter" <peterusa@optonline.net>
wrote:
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more
violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more
Israel.
Two cliches which display the poster's remarkable ignorance of recent
history. We have been interfering in the Arabs' countries ever since
oil was dicovered there. We installed rulers who would give us the oil
and did everything we could to keep them in power against the wished
of their citizenry. And to cap it all we took their land that wasn't
ours to give, and gave it to refugees from the holocaust to form a new
country whose inhabitants ethnically cleansed the previous occupants.
And you cite clichés as well.
I cite what is common knowledge that was reported over the last few
decades in the rest of the world's news media. But of which most
Americans are ignorant.
Next you'll be telling us that Americans commonly re-elect dead incumbents
because they don't read or listen to newspapers and...
What?
Really?
Never mind...
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| User: "Varicose Brain" |
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07 Dec 2003 02:39:44 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:35:42 GMT, "Peter" <peterusa@optonline.net>
wrote:
WELL YOU CERTAINLY WAS NOT STUDYING FROM THE TORAH THE TRUE BIBLE. NOT THAT
CHRISTIAN STUFF.
According to Christians, Jesus trumped your Torah, and according to
Muslims, Mohammed trumped Jesus. I grew tired of each one saying the
other was wrong, so I quit playing the game...
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Dec 2003 08:09:14 AM |
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And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 15:39:44 -0500 didst Varicose Brain speak
thusly:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:35:42 GMT, "Peter" <peterusa@optonline.net>
wrote:
WELL YOU CERTAINLY WAS NOT STUDYING FROM THE TORAH THE TRUE BIBLE. NOT THAT
CHRISTIAN STUFF.
According to Christians, Jesus trumped your Torah, and according to
Muslims, Mohammed trumped Jesus. I grew tired of each one saying the
other was wrong, so I quit playing the game...
You forgot that Utah bunch. Okay, so they're johnny-come-latelys but seem
to be getting away with it...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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| User: "nullus fides" |
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05 Dec 2003 06:03:31 PM |
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And so upon Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:19:30 -0700 didst derng speak thusly:
just because someone
tries to be a Christian doesn't mean they have to lie down and just take
whatever anyone dumps on them.
Well, unless they want to obey the bible that is...
--
The infrequently updated, terribly pointless
blog nobody reads can be found at:
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
(may be helpful for insomnia)
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| User: "nullus fides" |
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| Title: Re: Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
04 Dec 2003 01:21:37 PM |
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And so upon Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:06:10 -0700 didst derng speak thusly:
You don't even believe that Jesus existed! So what the ***** are you talking
about what he said or didn't say? You give about as much fucking crap what
Daffy Duck said! That is what makes atheists so fucking ridiculous. You want
to have your cake and eat it to. What a bunch of jokers.
No, Skippy, it's a matter of noticing that Jesus means as much to you as
he does to *us.*
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The infrequently updated, terribly pointless
blog can be found at:
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
(may be helpful for insomnia)
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| User: "derng" |
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| Title: Re: Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
04 Dec 2003 01:48:56 PM |
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Wrong skippy *****, he means plenty to me, nothing to you, except perhaps a
nagging fear in the back of your mind that your fucked up atheistic beliefs
are really as fucking stupid as they sound.
"nullus fides" <dev@null.none> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.04.19.21.36.851744@null.none...
And so upon Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:06:10 -0700 didst derng speak thusly:
You don't even believe that Jesus existed! So what the ***** are you
talking
about what he said or didn't say? You give about as much fucking crap
what
Daffy Duck said! That is what makes atheists so fucking ridiculous. You
want
to have your cake and eat it to. What a bunch of jokers.
No, Skippy, it's a matter of noticing that Jesus means as much to you as
he does to *us.*
--
The infrequently updated, terribly pointless
blog can be found at:
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
(may be helpful for insomnia)
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| User: "nullus fides" |
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| Title: Re: Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
04 Dec 2003 06:07:20 PM |
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And so upon Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:48:56 -0700 didst derng speak thusly:
Wrong skippy *****, he means plenty to me, nothing to you, except perhaps a
nagging fear in the back of your mind that your fucked up atheistic beliefs
are really as fucking stupid as they sound.
Yes, we can tell he means so much to you by the way you act.
As in I notice how scrupulous you are in obeying I Peter 3:9...
--
The infrequently updated, terribly pointless
blog can be found at:
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
(may be helpful for insomnia)
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| User: "derng" |
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| Title: Re: Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
04 Dec 2003 09:29:26 PM |
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What about that verse that says there is a time and place for everything?
This forum is an obvious place for returning insults to the vile filth that
perpetrate their sick atheistic lies and hurl crude insults upon innocent
Christian posters such as myself.
"nullus fides" <dev@null.none> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.05.00.07.18.586092@null.none...
And so upon Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:48:56 -0700 didst derng speak thusly:
Wrong skippy *****, he means plenty to me, nothing to you, except perhaps
a
nagging fear in the back of your mind that your fucked up atheistic
beliefs
are really as fucking stupid as they sound.
Yes, we can tell he means so much to you by the way you act.
As in I notice how scrupulous you are in obeying I Peter 3:9...
--
The infrequently updated, terribly pointless
blog can be found at:
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
(may be helpful for insomnia)
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| User: "dummie" |
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| Title: Re: Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
05 Dec 2003 02:46:24 PM |
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"derng" <derng@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bqou660r3t@enews4.newsguy.com>...
What about that verse that says there is a time and place for everything?
This forum is an obvious place for returning insults to the vile filth that
perpetrate their sick atheistic lies and hurl crude insults upon innocent
Christian posters such as myself.
BWAAHA HA HA HAAA!!!
You and twits alike are getting chewed because your ***** begs for it.
Its our way of letting you know how little we think of you. So *****
YOUR WORD ***** AND SHADDUP, as few people come within a mile of your
obnoxious Christerisms.
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-mike#1375
BAAWA Knight!
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| User: "nullus fides" |
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| Title: Re: Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
05 Dec 2003 08:22:02 AM |
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And so upon Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:29:26 -0700 didst derng speak thusly:
What about that verse that says there is a time and place for everything?
This forum is an obvious place for returning insults to the vile filth that
perpetrate their sick atheistic lies and hurl crude insults upon innocent
Christian posters such as myself.
The *Bible* does not give you an options in this. It explicitly *commands*
you to *not* return insult for insult.
Period.
But I see you agree that the Bible is just some old, outdated mythology
which doesn't always apply to real life. Just like us atheists!
--
The infrequently updated, terribly pointless
blog nobody reads can be found at:
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
(may be helpful for insomnia)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
04 Dec 2003 12:23:08 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:10:34 -0700, a stranger
called by some "derng" <derng@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
You dimwit. There is plenty of historical reporting of events in the Bible
that one can understand and learn from without 'accepting' that Jesus is
God.
You keep making this claim. We keep asking you to back it up. You
don't.
The fact is that there is no independent historical support for 90% of
the events claimed by the Bible. As one example, take Exodus. Never
happened. We know for a fact that it never happened, because we can
read the Egyptian records. Same for the events at the end of Matthew,
when Jesus was allegedly executed. Not a single observer reports the
sky darkening, and earthquake, or (more importantly) the dead leaving
their tombs and walking around!
There is also plenty of philosophy and life advice such as in Proverbs.
Yup. Also found in Hindu books, Norse legends, and in Cree oral
tradition. Ever read Greek philosophy? Full of good advice.
And even if one believes that some of the stories were embellished somehow
there again are lessons to learn from the trials and tribulations of the
people described. You are just too fucking stupid to even appreciate any of
it. Moron. (And save me the fucking speech about how calling you a fucking
moron is not "Christian" enough for you. You fucking moron.)
Little one, you are full of crap. The entire religion is based on
these books. And we have shown, over and over, that they are riddled
with errors, and not supported by any actual evidence.
Deal with that, inconsequential one.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Varicose Brain" |
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| Title: Re: Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
03 Dec 2003 02:44:15 PM |
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:10:34 -0700, "derng" <derng@hotmail.com> wrote:
You dimwit. There is plenty of historical reporting of events in the Bible
that one can understand and learn from without 'accepting' that Jesus is
God. There is also plenty of philosophy and life advice such as in Proverbs.
Liking beating the crap out of your children?
And even if one believes that some of the stories were embellished somehow
there again are lessons to learn from the trials and tribulations of the
people described.
Like when the god of the bible kills innocent people (Job's children)
just to prove he can win a bet with the devil?
You are just too fucking stupid to even appreciate any of
it. Moron. (And save me the fucking speech about how calling you a fucking
moron is not "Christian" enough for you. You fucking moron.)
No need to make a speech. You've done enough damage on your own with
that kind of reaction.
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| User: "Blast Femur" |
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| Title: Re: Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
01 Dec 2003 11:24:39 PM |
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"derng" <derng@hotmail.com> wrote in news:bqh1290emf@enews3.newsguy.com:
"nullus fides" <dev@null.none> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.02.03.02.17.250232@null.none...
And so upon Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:07:12 -0700 didst derng speak thusly:
There was no massaging
of the prophecies similar to the way some people do with say the
prophecies
of Nostradamus always finding some other interpretation that fits
what
he
wrote.
Of course there were. The "prophecies" were around when the NT was
written. The NT was written to "fit" the prophecies.
This one is a no brainer.
(top post fixed AGAIN)
You act as though none of the events in the NT actually happened. They
did.
There is no evidence whatsoever that they did. Physical, historical,
archaeological. Nothing but an ancient book written by middle east goat
herders, and mistranslated a hundred times over.
The books merely recount the activities of Jesus and his
apostles, letters to various Church communities, etc.
Mythical Jesus. Mythical. How could a living person actually share his
biography with sixteen other saviors which predated him by hundreds of
years, and had all been dismissed as myth? You are hiding from the
truth, Dung.
Your problem is
that you apparently think it is all just made up. That is not the
case.
Liar.
Your problem is that you apparently think it is true.
Prove it, liar.
--
Blast Femur
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"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes
talking to people and guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"
-Paul Provenza
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| User: "Iain" |
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| Title: Re: Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
08 Dec 2003 03:35:22 PM |
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Blast Femur <you@wish.com> wrote in message news:<Xns9444D9C81160Ablastfemur@204.127.199.17>...
an ancient book written by middle east goat
herders, and mistranslated a hundred times over.
I like it ;D you have earned my signature publicity.
--
Iain
HALIGBOC IS EALD LEASUNG BOC, ÞÆM WORDCRÆFT
FRAM EALD EASTEWEARD SCEAPHIERDS 7 ARECCEAN
AN HUNDRED CUNNAN GEDWYLDLICE.
Blast Femur on A.A
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| User: "Blast Femur" |
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| Title: Re: Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ |
01 Dec 2003 11:26:53 PM |
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"derng" <derng@hotmail.com> wrote in news:bqh1290emf@enews3.newsguy.com:
"nullus fides" <dev@null.none> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.02.03.02.17.250232@null.none...
And so upon Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:07:12 -0700 didst derng speak thusly:
There was no massaging
of the prophecies similar to the way some people do with say the
prophecies
of Nostradamus always finding some other interpretation that fits
what
he
wrote.
Of course there were. The "prophecies" were around when the NT was
written. The NT was written to "fit" the prophecies.
This one is a no brainer.
(top post fixed AGAIN)
You act as though none of the events in the NT actually happened. They
did.
There is no evidence whatsoever that they did. Physical, historical,
archaeological. Nothing but an ancient book written by middle east goat
herders, and mistranslated a hundred times over.
The books merely recount the activities of Jesus and his
apostles, letters to various Church communities, etc.
Mythical Jesus. Mythical. How could a living person actually share his
biography with sixteen other saviors which predated him by hundreds of
years, and had all been dismissed as myth? You are hiding from the
truth, Dung.
Your problem is
that you apparently think it is all just made up. That is not the
case.
Liar.
Your problem is that you apparently think it is true.
Prove it, liar.
--
Blast Femur
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"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes
talking to people and guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"
-Paul Provenza
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