John Wilkins wrote:

dkomo <dkomoNoSpam@cris.com> wrote:

K C wrote:

I posted this a sec ago, but it hasn't popped up yet...here it is
again.

I guess, according to the anti-religious, the Matrix is a bunch of
Christian fundamentalists for saying the following statement in their
commercials...

"Everything with an ending must have a beginning..."

It is being used to advertise the first Matrix movie. However, when a
Christian uses this reasoning to point to a Creator, it is routinely
dimissed as christian propaganda. Does that make the Matrix's
creators Christian?

http://beingone.20m.com/providence.html

There is no spoon. Welcome to the desert of the real.

*I* have a spoon. Welcome to the dessert of surreal.

You do not have a spoon. Inside the Construct, your loading program
has misled you to *believe* you have a spoon. Without a spoon you can
not partake of dessert, surreal or otherwise.

On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:04:30 +0000 (UTC),

dkomo <dkomoNoSpam@cris.com> wrote:

K C wrote:

I posted this a sec ago, but it hasn't popped up yet...here it is
again.

I guess, according to the anti-religious, the Matrix is a bunch of
Christian fundamentalists for saying the following statement in their
commercials...

"Everything with an ending must have a beginning..."

It is being used to advertise the first Matrix movie. However, when a
Christian uses this reasoning to point to a Creator, it is routinely
dimissed as christian propaganda. Does that make the Matrix's
creators Christian?

http://beingone.20m.com/providence.html

There is no spoon. Welcome to the desert of the real.

*I* have a spoon. Welcome to the dessert of surreal.

I have a spork. Welcome to Taco Bell.

"Steve Schaffner" <sfs@iron.broad.mit.edu> wrote in message
news:ydlvfj3obgj.fsf@iron.broad.mit.edu...

dkomo <dkomoNoSpam@cris.com> writes:

"When I saw The Matrix at a local theatre in Slovenia, I had the
unique opportunity of sitting close to the ideal spectator of the film
-- namely, to an idiot. A man in his late twenties at my right was so
absorbed in the movie that he continually disturbed the other viewers
with loud exclamations, like "My God, wow, there is no reality!"

"I definitely prefer such naive immersion to the pseudo-sophisticated
intellectualist readings which project refined philosophical or
psychoanalytic conceptual distinctions into the film. It is
nonetheless easy to understand the intellectual attraction of The
Matrix: isn't The Matrix one of those films which function as a kind
of Rorschach test, setting in motion the universalized process of
recognition, like the proverbial painting of God which seems always to
stare directly at you wherever you look at it -- practically every
orientation seems to recognize itself in it?"

--Slavoj Zizek, "The Matrix: Or, the Two Sides of
Perversion", from the book _The Matrix and Philosophy_,
edited by William Irwin, p. 240

Down the rabbit hole of philosophy...

I thought it was just incredibly stupid physics. (They use the humans
for *what*?)

There were a few holes in the plot ...

Klaus

--
Steve Schaffner

Steve Schaffner <sfs@iron.broad.mit.edu> wrote in message news:<ydlvfj3obgj.fsf@iron.broad.mit.edu>...

dkomo <dkomoNoSpam@cris.com> writes:

"When I saw The Matrix at a local theatre in Slovenia, I had the
unique opportunity of sitting close to the ideal spectator of the film
-- namely, to an idiot. A man in his late twenties at my right was so
absorbed in the movie that he continually disturbed the other viewers
with loud exclamations, like "My God, wow, there is no reality!"

"I definitely prefer such naive immersion to the pseudo-sophisticated
intellectualist readings which project refined philosophical or
psychoanalytic conceptual distinctions into the film. It is
nonetheless easy to understand the intellectual attraction of The
Matrix: isn't The Matrix one of those films which function as a kind
of Rorschach test, setting in motion the universalized process of
recognition, like the proverbial painting of God which seems always to
stare directly at you wherever you look at it -- practically every
orientation seems to recognize itself in it?"

--Slavoj Zizek, "The Matrix: Or, the Two Sides of
Perversion", from the book _The Matrix and Philosophy_,
edited by William Irwin, p. 240

Down the rabbit hole of philosophy...

I thought it was just incredibly stupid physics. (They use the humans
for *what*?)

I heard that they originally were going to use the humans as a
collective Beowulf cluster for processing, but then changed it to
batteries so the majority of the audience would understand it.

I fear that this is but an urban legend, born of geek wishful
thinking.

But it would have made more sense, without changing the story. That's
what gets me about so many science fiction movies - the gratuitous and
completely *unnecessary stupidity!

Grrrrrr.

Kermit

Steve Schaffner <sfs@iron.broad.mit.edu> wrote in message news:<ydlvfj3obgj.fsf@iron.broad.mit.edu>...

dkomo <dkomoNoSpam@cris.com> writes:

I thought it was just incredibly stupid physics. (They use the humans
for *what*?)

I heard that they originally were going to use the humans as a
collective Beowulf cluster for processing, but then changed it to
batteries so the majority of the audience would understand it.

I fear that this is but an urban legend, born of geek wishful
thinking.

But it would have made more sense, without changing the story. That's
what gets me about so many science fiction movies - the gratuitous and
completely *unnecessary stupidity!

On Mon, 10 May 2004 17:31:57 +0000 (UTC), Warchild <bob@bob.com>
wrote:

"Louann Miller" <louann_m@yahoo.net> wrote in message

And I'm still not sure where you think you're going with this. Even if
"The Matrix" was a good trilogy instead of one that sends the audience
screaming back to George Lucas for some semblance of plot and
character,

????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

What?

I mean Artoo, of course. He's cool, even if he does cuss like a
sailor.