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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "quibbler"
Date: 04 Oct 2006 08:36:21 AM
Object: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage
The last time that minimum wage legislation came before Congress,
Repugs turned it into open class warfare by tying raises in the minimum
wage to an estate tax give-away for billionaires.
Since the rich are always at war with the poor and middle class, I
think the time has come to remind the rich that they do not, in fact, own
the rest of us and that their atrociously piggish behavior in these last
couple of decades had better mellow out.
So at the next opportunity, I propose that congress should pass a
federal maximum wage of 50 to 100 times the present minimum wage on all
corporations, LLC, LLP and partnerships. I know that some of the top
executives will scream about it since CEOs presently make well over 600
times the median wage (far above 600 times the minimum wage). They will
probably pledge to buy enough congressmen to overturn the law.
But, you know what, I don't believe they'll find they have as much
support as they think. Even brainwashed repug trailer trash, who have
been carrying the water for the wealthy all these many years, would
probably say to themselves, "Gee, if I can survive on $7.50/hr why can't
CEOs survive on $750/hr?" See, the dirty little secret about corporate
compensation is that it has long been a parasitic drain on resources,
doled out like graft to an aristocratic elite. Many boards don't even
want some of these gold-diggers there, but they can't get rid of the good
ole boy network at the top. Even if we argue that some CEOs have special
expertise and leadership qualities, it has long been apparent, that these
sorts of talents could be purchased for far less than corporations are
forced to pay today. So actually, I think that many corporate boards
might secretly be very happy, despite their own salary capping, that they
could claim the decision was out of their hands and they were forced to
pay a more reasonable rate to their top executives. After all, they
would still get the full time equivalent of 1.5 million per year. But I
would recommend that congress also cap stock option and other
compensation packages, commissions and expense accounts that might
attempt to make an end run around this legislation. But there would
still be plenty of benefits to being a CEO, trust me and the lives of 99%
of the rest of the country would be utterly unaffected by the wage cap,
except in the positive sense that many corporations would instantly have
far more disposable income and thus would be more profitable and could
pay higher dividends or make more prudent investments.
I will no consider sane commentary on this proposal that does not
involve hysterical charges of atheistic, homosexual, america-hating,
communist collectivism.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.

User: "Tuco Ramirez"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 10 Oct 2006 12:49:41 PM
DarkAngel wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

DarkAngel wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

And how will this "progress' be
achieved? Details, details. Let's see: Plenty of murdering, stealing,
infringements on personal freedoms, etc.


As opposed to the Founding Fathers, who convinced the British to let
the colonies go over a cup of tea.


So you are in favor of "plenty of murdering, stealing, infringements on
personal freedoms, etc"?


A civil war is never very nice. It is often, however, necessary.

How is it "necessary"?
How is murder necessary?
How is stealing necessary?
How are infringements on personal freedoms necessary?
Hint: I know they are necessary when communists are in the process of
enslaving a population, BUT you claim that you are in favor of justice.
.
User: "DarkAngel"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 10 Oct 2006 01:09:45 PM
Tuco Ramirez wrote:

DarkAngel wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

DarkAngel wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

And how will this "progress' be
achieved? Details, details. Let's see: Plenty of murdering, stealing,
infringements on personal freedoms, etc.


As opposed to the Founding Fathers, who convinced the British to let
the colonies go over a cup of tea.


So you are in favor of "plenty of murdering, stealing, infringements on
personal freedoms, etc"?


A civil war is never very nice. It is often, however, necessary.


How is it "necessary"?

Ask the Founding Fathers.
---
No Gods. No Masters.
.
User: "Tuco Ramirez"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 10 Oct 2006 03:07:18 PM
DarkAngel wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

DarkAngel wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

DarkAngel wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

And how will this "progress' be
achieved? Details, details. Let's see: Plenty of murdering, stealing,
infringements on personal freedoms, etc.


As opposed to the Founding Fathers, who convinced the British to let
the colonies go over a cup of tea.


So you are in favor of "plenty of murdering, stealing, infringements on
personal freedoms, etc"?


A civil war is never very nice. It is often, however, necessary.


How is it "necessary"?


Ask the Founding Fathers.

I am asking you!
What's the matter, the "Young Communist's Manual" doesn't have the
answers? You will need to bring this up at the next International
Socialist Workers' Meeting! If you play your cards right, you can make
a name for yourself among "The People", and then you will be one of
those who is "more equal", comrade.
.



User: "David Schwartz"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 04 Oct 2006 09:49:06 AM
quibbler wrote:

So at the next opportunity, I propose that congress should pass a
federal maximum wage of 50 to 100 times the present minimum wage on all
corporations, LLC, LLP and partnerships. I know that some of the top
executives will scream about it since CEOs presently make well over 600
times the median wage (far above 600 times the minimum wage). They will
probably pledge to buy enough congressmen to overturn the law.

So on what basis should a person whose labor is worth more than the
maximum wage decide what company to work for? Should he flip coins?
Perhaps rock-paper-scissors?
DS
.
User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 04 Oct 2006 12:40:40 PM
In article <1159973346.411713.17520@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
davids@webmaster.com says...


quibbler wrote:

So at the next opportunity, I propose that congress should pass a
federal maximum wage of 50 to 100 times the present minimum wage on all
corporations, LLC, LLP and partnerships. I know that some of the top
executives will scream about it since CEOs presently make well over 600
times the median wage (far above 600 times the minimum wage). They will
probably pledge to buy enough congressmen to overturn the law.


So on what basis should a person whose labor is worth more than the
maximum wage decide what company to work for?

Such a person can work as a private contractor and bill hours as
necessary. I mentioned that this would apply to standard
corporations, LLPs, etc. The person could also start a sole
proprietorship, take it public with lots of stock for himself and
still be as rich as bill gates.
But, out of curiosity, why are you so worried about people who make
in excess of $750/hr. Don't you think that these people are
talented enough to take care of themselves through various financial
arrangements?

Should he flip coins?

If he did, that would indicate that perhaps the person doesn't
possess the intellectual caliber to be worth in excess of $750/hr.
A person worth this much or more ought to be able to figure out how
to get paid what they deserve, but the fact is that most people, on
this level, are not hourly employees anymore.

Perhaps rock-paper-scissors?

Nope, that's no good either. But th fact that you've proposed two
bad methods doesn't prove that no good methods exist. Also, the
fact that you can't think of any other methods, doesn't mean that no
methods exist.
--
"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche
.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 04 Oct 2006 09:05:24 PM
In alt.atheism On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:40:40 -0600, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

In article <1159973346.411713.17520@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
davids@webmaster.com says...


quibbler wrote:

So at the next opportunity, I propose that congress should pass a
federal maximum wage of 50 to 100 times the present minimum wage on all
corporations, LLC, LLP and partnerships. I know that some of the top
executives will scream about it since CEOs presently make well over 600
times the median wage (far above 600 times the minimum wage). They will
probably pledge to buy enough congressmen to overturn the law.


So on what basis should a person whose labor is worth more than the
maximum wage decide what company to work for?


Such a person can work as a private contractor and bill hours as
necessary. I mentioned that this would apply to standard
corporations, LLPs, etc. The person could also start a sole
proprietorship, take it public with lots of stock for himself and
still be as rich as bill gates.
But, out of curiosity, why are you so worried about people who make
in excess of $750/hr. Don't you think that these people are
talented enough to take care of themselves through various financial
arrangements?

But why are YOU desiring to impose YOUR wishes on OTHER
PEOPLE'S business?
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.
User: "Enkidu"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 04 Oct 2006 10:36:29 PM
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:92q8i21r2orbivvah997fcj3l81i67o6j4@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:40:40 -0600, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

In article <1159973346.411713.17520@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
davids@webmaster.com says...


quibbler wrote:

So at the next opportunity, I propose that congress should
pass a
federal maximum wage of 50 to 100 times the present minimum wage
on all corporations, LLC, LLP and partnerships. I know that some
of the top executives will scream about it since CEOs presently
make well over 600 times the median wage (far above 600 times the
minimum wage). They will probably pledge to buy enough
congressmen to overturn the law.


So on what basis should a person whose labor is worth more than the
maximum wage decide what company to work for?


Such a person can work as a private contractor and bill hours as
necessary. I mentioned that this would apply to standard
corporations, LLPs, etc. The person could also start a sole
proprietorship, take it public with lots of stock for himself and
still be as rich as bill gates.
But, out of curiosity, why are you so worried about people who make
in excess of $750/hr. Don't you think that these people are
talented enough to take care of themselves through various financial
arrangements?


But why are YOU desiring to impose YOUR wishes on OTHER
PEOPLE'S business?

It's done all the time. Social security, minimum wage, required
overtime, health and safety standards, health department inspection in
resturants, building inspectors, fire marshals, speed limits, helmet
laws, punative taxes on tobacco, etc.
You should argue against *all* interference in other people's private
business, or you should give specific arguments against this particular
interference in other people's business. Why would a maximum wage be
bad, but a minimum wage alright? Why would a maximum wage be bad, but a
maximum speed limit be good?
I'm not taking sides, just pointing out a flaw in your argument.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 05 Oct 2006 10:53:42 AM
In alt.atheism On 5 Oct 2006 03:36:29 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:92q8i21r2orbivvah997fcj3l81i67o6j4@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:40:40 -0600, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

In article <1159973346.411713.17520@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
davids@webmaster.com says...


quibbler wrote:

So at the next opportunity, I propose that congress should
pass a
federal maximum wage of 50 to 100 times the present minimum wage
on all corporations, LLC, LLP and partnerships. I know that some
of the top executives will scream about it since CEOs presently
make well over 600 times the median wage (far above 600 times the
minimum wage). They will probably pledge to buy enough
congressmen to overturn the law.


So on what basis should a person whose labor is worth more than the
maximum wage decide what company to work for?


Such a person can work as a private contractor and bill hours as
necessary. I mentioned that this would apply to standard
corporations, LLPs, etc. The person could also start a sole
proprietorship, take it public with lots of stock for himself and
still be as rich as bill gates.
But, out of curiosity, why are you so worried about people who make
in excess of $750/hr. Don't you think that these people are
talented enough to take care of themselves through various financial
arrangements?


But why are YOU desiring to impose YOUR wishes on OTHER
PEOPLE'S business?


It's done all the time. Social security, minimum wage, required
overtime, health and safety standards, health department inspection in
resturants, building inspectors, fire marshals, speed limits, helmet
laws, punative taxes on tobacco, etc.

You should argue against *all* interference in other people's private
business,

I do. I'm an anarchocapitalist. Thus, there is no flaw in my
argument.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.
User: "Emmanual Kann"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 06 Oct 2006 08:45:36 AM
An Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:53:42 +0000, Don Kresch schreibt:


I do. I'm an anarchocapitalist. Thus, there is no flaw in my
argument.

Then you should be against LLP, LLC and any form of state charter that
allows individuals to conduct business with limited liability. Quibbler's
maximum wage doesn't apply to those people who don't eat at the government
trough.
.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 06 Oct 2006 04:06:20 PM
In alt.atheism On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:45:36 GMT, Emmanual Kann
<nicht@keinspam.invalid> let us all know that:

An Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:53:42 +0000, Don Kresch schreibt:


I do. I'm an anarchocapitalist. Thus, there is no flaw in my
argument.


Then you should be against LLP, LLC and any form of state charter that
allows individuals to conduct business with limited liability.

I am.

Quibbler's maximum wage doesn't apply to those people who don't eat at the government
trough.

Irrelevant.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.


User: "Enkidu"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 05 Oct 2006 04:58:44 PM
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:2jaai21171muu68rc8rqfke883upevt6l7@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On 5 Oct 2006 03:36:29 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:92q8i21r2orbivvah997fcj3l81i67o6j4@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:40:40 -0600, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

In article <1159973346.411713.17520@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
davids@webmaster.com says...


quibbler wrote:

So at the next opportunity, I propose that congress should
pass a
federal maximum wage of 50 to 100 times the present minimum wage
on all corporations, LLC, LLP and partnerships. I know that some
of the top executives will scream about it since CEOs presently
make well over 600 times the median wage (far above 600 times the
minimum wage). They will probably pledge to buy enough
congressmen to overturn the law.


So on what basis should a person whose labor is worth more than the
maximum wage decide what company to work for?


Such a person can work as a private contractor and bill hours as
necessary. I mentioned that this would apply to standard
corporations, LLPs, etc. The person could also start a sole
proprietorship, take it public with lots of stock for himself and
still be as rich as bill gates.
But, out of curiosity, why are you so worried about people who make
in excess of $750/hr. Don't you think that these people are
talented enough to take care of themselves through various financial
arrangements?


But why are YOU desiring to impose YOUR wishes on OTHER
PEOPLE'S business?


It's done all the time. Social security, minimum wage, required
overtime, health and safety standards, health department inspection in
resturants, building inspectors, fire marshals, speed limits, helmet
laws, punative taxes on tobacco, etc.

You should argue against *all* interference in other people's private
business,


I do. I'm an anarchocapitalist. Thus, there is no flaw in my
argument.

So....requiring you to drive on the right side of the road (in the U.S.)
is a violation of your individual rights? Is there *no* socially imposed
convention you'd support?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
\
"I am not even an atheist so much as I am an antitheist; I not only
maintain that all religions are versions of the same untruth, but I hold
that the influence of churches, and the effect of religious belief is
positively harmful. Reviewing the false claims of religion, I do not
wish, as some sentimental materialists affect to wish, that they were
true. I do not envy believers their faith. I am relieved to think that
the whole story is a sinister fairy tale; life would be miserable if what
the faithful affirmed was actually the case."
Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian (2001)
.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 05 Oct 2006 05:24:57 PM
In alt.atheism On 5 Oct 2006 21:58:44 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:2jaai21171muu68rc8rqfke883upevt6l7@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On 5 Oct 2006 03:36:29 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:92q8i21r2orbivvah997fcj3l81i67o6j4@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:40:40 -0600, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

In article <1159973346.411713.17520@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
davids@webmaster.com says...


quibbler wrote:

So at the next opportunity, I propose that congress should
pass a
federal maximum wage of 50 to 100 times the present minimum wage
on all corporations, LLC, LLP and partnerships. I know that some
of the top executives will scream about it since CEOs presently
make well over 600 times the median wage (far above 600 times the
minimum wage). They will probably pledge to buy enough
congressmen to overturn the law.


So on what basis should a person whose labor is worth more than the
maximum wage decide what company to work for?


Such a person can work as a private contractor and bill hours as
necessary. I mentioned that this would apply to standard
corporations, LLPs, etc. The person could also start a sole
proprietorship, take it public with lots of stock for himself and
still be as rich as bill gates.
But, out of curiosity, why are you so worried about people who make
in excess of $750/hr. Don't you think that these people are
talented enough to take care of themselves through various financial
arrangements?


But why are YOU desiring to impose YOUR wishes on OTHER
PEOPLE'S business?


It's done all the time. Social security, minimum wage, required
overtime, health and safety standards, health department inspection in
resturants, building inspectors, fire marshals, speed limits, helmet
laws, punative taxes on tobacco, etc.

You should argue against *all* interference in other people's private
business,


I do. I'm an anarchocapitalist. Thus, there is no flaw in my
argument.


So....requiring you to drive on the right side of the road (in the U.S.)
is a violation of your individual rights?

From an imposed coercion standpoint, yes. However, a standard
doesn't have to be violating rights.

Is there *no* socially imposed
convention you'd support?

I'm wondering whatever made you take that leap to what I'm
saying.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.
User: "Enkidu"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 05 Oct 2006 09:17:03 PM
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:gf1bi2t79rql7banieannnjjnm1igtk1k8@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On 5 Oct 2006 21:58:44 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:2jaai21171muu68rc8rqfke883upevt6l7@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On 5 Oct 2006 03:36:29 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:92q8i21r2orbivvah997fcj3l81i67o6j4@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:40:40 -0600, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

In article <1159973346.411713.17520@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
davids@webmaster.com says...


quibbler wrote:

So at the next opportunity, I propose that congress
should pass a
federal maximum wage of 50 to 100 times the present minimum
wage on all corporations, LLC, LLP and partnerships. I know
that some of the top executives will scream about it since
CEOs presently make well over 600 times the median wage (far
above 600 times the minimum wage). They will probably pledge
to buy enough congressmen to overturn the law.


So on what basis should a person whose labor is worth more than
the maximum wage decide what company to work for?


Such a person can work as a private contractor and bill hours as
necessary. I mentioned that this would apply to standard
corporations, LLPs, etc. The person could also start a sole
proprietorship, take it public with lots of stock for himself and
still be as rich as bill gates.
But, out of curiosity, why are you so worried about people who
make in excess of $750/hr. Don't you think that these people are
talented enough to take care of themselves through various
financial arrangements?


But why are YOU desiring to impose YOUR wishes on OTHER
PEOPLE'S business?


It's done all the time. Social security, minimum wage, required
overtime, health and safety standards, health department inspection
in resturants, building inspectors, fire marshals, speed limits,
helmet laws, punative taxes on tobacco, etc.

You should argue against *all* interference in other people's
private business,


I do. I'm an anarchocapitalist. Thus, there is no flaw in my
argument.


So....requiring you to drive on the right side of the road (in the
U.S.) is a violation of your individual rights?


From an imposed coercion standpoint, yes. However, a standard
doesn't have to be violating rights.

Where does "imposing a standard" become "violating rights"? Are some
standards alright to impose on unwilling people while others are not?
Why? What is a standard if it is not imposed in some way?

Is there *no* socially imposed
convention you'd support?


I'm wondering whatever made you take that leap to what I'm
saying.

Well, you've only told us what you're against, not why, and not what you
find acceptable. Do you find a minimum wage acceptable? Taxation to
support fire protection or a national military? Speed limits? Public
roads? Give us a clue where you stand and why on a concrete issue or
two, and we might find we agree.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"I am not even an atheist so much as I am an antitheist; I not only
maintain that all religions are versions of the same untruth, but I hold
that the influence of churches, and the effect of religious belief is
positively harmful. Reviewing the false claims of religion, I do not
wish, as some sentimental materialists affect to wish, that they were
true. I do not envy believers their faith. I am relieved to think that
the whole story is a sinister fairy tale; life would be miserable if
what the faithful affirmed was actually the case."
Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian (2001)
.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 05 Oct 2006 10:11:53 PM
In alt.atheism On 6 Oct 2006 02:17:03 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
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In alt.atheism On 5 Oct 2006 21:58:44 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
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In alt.atheism On 5 Oct 2006 03:36:29 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
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In alt.atheism On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:40:40 -0600, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

In article <1159973346.411713.17520@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
davids@webmaster.com says...


quibbler wrote:

So at the next opportunity, I propose that congress
should pass a
federal maximum wage of 50 to 100 times the present minimum
wage on all corporations, LLC, LLP and partnerships. I know
that some of the top executives will scream about it since
CEOs presently make well over 600 times the median wage (far
above 600 times the minimum wage). They will probably pledge
to buy enough congressmen to overturn the law.


So on what basis should a person whose labor is worth more than
the maximum wage decide what company to work for?


Such a person can work as a private contractor and bill hours as
necessary. I mentioned that this would apply to standard
corporations, LLPs, etc. The person could also start a sole
proprietorship, take it public with lots of stock for himself and
still be as rich as bill gates.
But, out of curiosity, why are you so worried about people who
make in excess of $750/hr. Don't you think that these people are
talented enough to take care of themselves through various
financial arrangements?


But why are YOU desiring to impose YOUR wishes on OTHER
PEOPLE'S business?


It's done all the time. Social security, minimum wage, required
overtime, health and safety standards, health department inspection
in resturants, building inspectors, fire marshals, speed limits,
helmet laws, punative taxes on tobacco, etc.

You should argue against *all* interference in other people's
private business,


I do. I'm an anarchocapitalist. Thus, there is no flaw in my
argument.


So....requiring you to drive on the right side of the road (in the
U.S.) is a violation of your individual rights?


From an imposed coercion standpoint, yes. However, a standard
doesn't have to be violating rights.


Where does "imposing a standard" become "violating rights"?

When it's done by a coercive territorial monopolist.
I don't see why you're going on this line. If you have a
point, please make it NOW.

Is there *no* socially imposed
convention you'd support?


I'm wondering whatever made you take that leap to what I'm
saying.


Well, you've only told us what you're against, not why, and not what you
find acceptable.

So what? I've told you: I'm an anarchocapitalist. Do you know
what that is?

Do you find a minimum wage acceptable? Taxation to
support fire protection or a national military? Speed limits? Public
roads?

No, no, only on private roads, and no.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.
User: "Enkidu"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 05 Oct 2006 11:00:04 PM
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:m7ibi25u0638uucdairv7171f81gmrkft7@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On 6 Oct 2006 02:17:03 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:gf1bi2t79rql7banieannnjjnm1igtk1k8@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On 5 Oct 2006 21:58:44 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:2jaai21171muu68rc8rqfke883upevt6l7@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On 5 Oct 2006 03:36:29 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:92q8i21r2orbivvah997fcj3l81i67o6j4@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:40:40 -0600, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

In article
<1159973346.411713.17520@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
davids@webmaster.com says...


quibbler wrote:

So at the next opportunity, I propose that congress
should pass a
federal maximum wage of 50 to 100 times the present minimum
wage on all corporations, LLC, LLP and partnerships. I know
that some of the top executives will scream about it since
CEOs presently make well over 600 times the median wage (far
above 600 times the minimum wage). They will probably
pledge to buy enough congressmen to overturn the law.


So on what basis should a person whose labor is worth more
than the maximum wage decide what company to work for?


Such a person can work as a private contractor and bill hours as
necessary. I mentioned that this would apply to standard
corporations, LLPs, etc. The person could also start a sole
proprietorship, take it public with lots of stock for himself
and still be as rich as bill gates.
But, out of curiosity, why are you so worried about people who
make in excess of $750/hr. Don't you think that these people
are talented enough to take care of themselves through various
financial arrangements?


But why are YOU desiring to impose YOUR wishes on OTHER
PEOPLE'S business?


It's done all the time. Social security, minimum wage, required
overtime, health and safety standards, health department
inspection in resturants, building inspectors, fire marshals,
speed limits, helmet laws, punative taxes on tobacco, etc.

You should argue against *all* interference in other people's
private business,


I do. I'm an anarchocapitalist. Thus, there is no flaw in my
argument.


So....requiring you to drive on the right side of the road (in the
U.S.) is a violation of your individual rights?


From an imposed coercion standpoint, yes. However, a standard
doesn't have to be violating rights.


Where does "imposing a standard" become "violating rights"?


When it's done by a coercive territorial monopolist.

I don't see why you're going on this line. If you have a
point, please make it NOW.

Is there *no* socially imposed
convention you'd support?


I'm wondering whatever made you take that leap to what I'm
saying.


Well, you've only told us what you're against, not why, and not what
you find acceptable.


So what? I've told you: I'm an anarchocapitalist. Do you know
what that is?

Do you find a minimum wage acceptable? Taxation to
support fire protection or a national military? Speed limits? Public
roads?


No, no, only on private roads, and no.

You bring to mind the anarchist elements during the Spanish civil war.
They could never accomplish anything because each was too fiercly
independent to ever cooperate toward a common goal.
Your approach might do well for bears, tigers, pandas, or other solitary
creatures. But social animals like chimps, meerkats, wolves and humans
need some sort of social structure to survive each other's company.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so."
-- Mark Twain
.
User: "Tuco Ramirez"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 06 Oct 2006 12:03:56 AM
Enkidu wrote:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:m7ibi25u0638uucdairv7171f81gmrkft7@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On 6 Oct 2006 02:17:03 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:gf1bi2t79rql7banieannnjjnm1igtk1k8@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On 5 Oct 2006 21:58:44 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:2jaai21171muu68rc8rqfke883upevt6l7@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On 5 Oct 2006 03:36:29 GMT, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:92q8i21r2orbivvah997fcj3l81i67o6j4@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:40:40 -0600, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> let us all know that:

In article
<1159973346.411713.17520@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
davids@webmaster.com says...


quibbler wrote:

So at the next opportunity, I propose that congress
should pass a
federal maximum wage of 50 to 100 times the present minimum
wage on all corporations, LLC, LLP and partnerships. I know
that some of the top executives will scream about it since
CEOs presently make well over 600 times the median wage (far
above 600 times the minimum wage). They will probably
pledge to buy enough congressmen to overturn the law.


So on what basis should a person whose labor is worth more
than the maximum wage decide what company to work for?


Such a person can work as a private contractor and bill hours as
necessary. I mentioned that this would apply to standard
corporations, LLPs, etc. The person could also start a sole
proprietorship, take it public with lots of stock for himself
and still be as rich as bill gates.
But, out of curiosity, why are you so worried about people who
make in excess of $750/hr. Don't you think that these people
are talented enough to take care of themselves through various
financial arrangements?


But why are YOU desiring to impose YOUR wishes on OTHER
PEOPLE'S business?


It's done all the time. Social security, minimum wage, required
overtime, health and safety standards, health department
inspection in resturants, building inspectors, fire marshals,
speed limits, helmet laws, punative taxes on tobacco, etc.

You should argue against *all* interference in other people's
private business,


I do. I'm an anarchocapitalist. Thus, there is no flaw in my
argument.


So....requiring you to drive on the right side of the road (in the
U.S.) is a violation of your individual rights?


From an imposed coercion standpoint, yes. However, a standard
doesn't have to be violating rights.


Where does "imposing a standard" become "violating rights"?


When it's done by a coercive territorial monopolist.

I don't see why you're going on this line. If you have a
point, please make it NOW.

Is there *no* socially imposed
convention you'd support?


I'm wondering whatever made you take that leap to what I'm
saying.


Well, you've only told us what you're against, not why, and not what
you find acceptable.


So what? I've told you: I'm an anarchocapitalist. Do you know
what that is?

Do you find a minimum wage acceptable? Taxation to
support fire protection or a national military? Speed limits? Public
roads?


No, no, only on private roads, and no.


You bring to mind the anarchist elements during the Spanish civil war.
They could never accomplish anything because each was too fiercly
independent to ever cooperate toward a common goal.

The outcome of the war was succesfull; the spanish commies got their
butts quicked, along with the "internationalist" assholes.


Your approach might do well for bears, tigers, pandas, or other solitary
creatures. But social animals like chimps, meerkats, wolves and humans
need some sort of social structure to survive each other's company.

--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

"Faith is believing what you know ain't so."
-- Mark Twain

.
User: "Emmanual Kann"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 06 Oct 2006 08:49:37 AM
An Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:03:56 -0700, Tuco Ramirez schreibt:


Enkidu wrote:

You bring to mind the anarchist elements during the Spanish civil war.
They could never accomplish anything because each was too fiercly
independent to ever cooperate toward a common goal.


The outcome of the war was succesfull; the spanish commies got their
butts quicked, along with the "internationalist" assholes.

Yes, they put the fascists in power for another forty years.
.
User: "Enkidu"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 06 Oct 2006 11:15:21 AM
Emmanual Kann <nicht@keinspam.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2006.10.06.13.49.35.435081@keinspam.invalid:

An Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:03:56 -0700, Tuco Ramirez schreibt:


Enkidu wrote:


You bring to mind the anarchist elements during the Spanish civil war.
They could never accomplish anything because each was too fiercly
independent to ever cooperate toward a common goal.


The outcome of the war was succesfull; the spanish commies got their
butts quicked, along with the "internationalist" assholes.


Yes, they put the fascists in power for another forty years.

And provided a model and a training ground for Hitler's troops. Ever hear
of Guernica?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one
has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater
purity, the less they are mixed together.
-- James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822
.
User: "Tuco Ramirez"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 06 Oct 2006 11:33:44 AM
Enkidu wrote:

Emmanual Kann <nicht@keinspam.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2006.10.06.13.49.35.435081@keinspam.invalid:

An Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:03:56 -0700, Tuco Ramirez schreibt:


Enkidu wrote:


You bring to mind the anarchist elements during the Spanish civil war.
They could never accomplish anything because each was too fiercly
independent to ever cooperate toward a common goal.


The outcome of the war was succesfull; the spanish commies got their
butts quicked, along with the "internationalist" assholes.


Yes, they put the fascists in power for another forty years.


And provided a model and a training ground for Hitler's troops. Ever hear
of Guernica?

Ah, a war was going on you know. He was fighting spanish commies and
mercenaries from many countries, including the US. He didn't kill
enough of those animals.
Ever hear of the Katin forest?
Shall we count the number killed by Franco and compare to the number
killed by Stalin?
How about Uncle Lenin?
What about Comandante Fidel?
.
User: "Lucifer"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 06 Oct 2006 06:03:59 PM
Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Enkidu wrote:

Emmanual Kann <nicht@keinspam.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2006.10.06.13.49.35.435081@keinspam.invalid:

An Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:03:56 -0700, Tuco Ramirez schreibt:


Enkidu wrote:


You bring to mind the anarchist elements during the Spanish civil war.
They could never accomplish anything because each was too fiercly
independent to ever cooperate toward a common goal.


The outcome of the war was succesfull; the spanish commies got their
butts quicked, along with the "internationalist" assholes.


Yes, they put the fascists in power for another forty years.


And provided a model and a training ground for Hitler's troops. Ever hear
of Guernica?



Ah, a war was going on you know. He was fighting spanish commies and
mercenaries from many countries, including the US. He didn't kill
enough of those animals.
Ever hear of the Katin forest?
Shall we count the number killed by Franco and compare to the number
killed by Stalin?
How about Uncle Lenin?
What about Comandante Fidel?

Wow...you would support Hitler over the democratically elected
government of Spain?
What a fucking evil ***** this taco is.
Waiter....I didn't order this!
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
.
User: "Tuco Ramirez"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 06 Oct 2006 06:58:22 PM
Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Enkidu wrote:

Emmanual Kann <nicht@keinspam.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2006.10.06.13.49.35.435081@keinspam.invalid:

An Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:03:56 -0700, Tuco Ramirez schreibt:


Enkidu wrote:


You bring to mind the anarchist elements during the Spanish civil war.
They could never accomplish anything because each was too fiercly
independent to ever cooperate toward a common goal.


The outcome of the war was succesfull; the spanish commies got their
butts quicked, along with the "internationalist" assholes.


Yes, they put the fascists in power for another forty years.


And provided a model and a training ground for Hitler's troops. Ever hear
of Guernica?



Ah, a war was going on you know. He was fighting spanish commies and
mercenaries from many countries, including the US. He didn't kill
enough of those animals.
Ever hear of the Katin forest?
Shall we count the number killed by Franco and compare to the number
killed by Stalin?
How about Uncle Lenin?
What about Comandante Fidel?


Wow...you would support Hitler over the democratically elected
government of Spain?

So why were they murdering oppositions leaders BEFORE the start of the
war? You should keep your mouth shut when you don't know what the
***** you are talking about, Lucy?
And when did I say I would support over the democratically elected
government?
By the way you fuckwit demented monkey, Hitler was a socialist. I
wonder why it is that the most evil, murderous governments in HISTORY
have been either socialist, communist, or something in between?
You claim to be a socialist, don't you? It figures.


What a fucking evil ***** this taco is.

Waiter....I didn't order this!

.
User: "Lucifer"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 06 Oct 2006 07:36:55 PM
Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Enkidu wrote:

Emmanual Kann <nicht@keinspam.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2006.10.06.13.49.35.435081@keinspam.invalid:

An Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:03:56 -0700, Tuco Ramirez schreibt:


Enkidu wrote:


You bring to mind the anarchist elements during the Spanish civil war.
They could never accomplish anything because each was too fiercly
independent to ever cooperate toward a common goal.


The outcome of the war was succesfull; the spanish commies got their
butts quicked, along with the "internationalist" assholes.


Yes, they put the fascists in power for another forty years.


And provided a model and a training ground for Hitler's troops. Ever hear
of Guernica?



Ah, a war was going on you know. He was fighting spanish commies and
mercenaries from many countries, including the US. He didn't kill
enough of those animals.
Ever hear of the Katin forest?
Shall we count the number killed by Franco and compare to the number
killed by Stalin?
How about Uncle Lenin?
What about Comandante Fidel?


Wow...you would support Hitler over the democratically elected
government of Spain?


So why were they murdering oppositions leaders BEFORE the start of the
war? You should keep your mouth shut when you don't know what the
***** you are talking about, Lucy?

And when did I say I would support over the democratically elected
government?

By the way you fuckwit demented monkey, Hitler was a socialist. I
wonder why it is that the most evil, murderous governments in HISTORY
have been either socialist, communist, or something in between?

You claim to be a socialist, don't you? It figures.



What a fucking evil ***** this taco is.

Waiter....I didn't order this!]

Hitler was a nationalist first and foremost, and a catholic too, that's
where most of the evil seems to have come from. You should check your
facts before mouthing off too, though I doubt you would recognise a
fact if it kicked you in your atrophied balls while shouting "I'M A
FACT"
The Spanish government was democratically elected, the leftist groups
only came in after the fascists began their attempt to usurp power.
Most bloodshed in history has been at the hands of dogma, mostly
religious.
You're a fucking nazi taco, a fucking nazi and nothing more, now FOAD
you pathetic and worthless piece of *****!
ps - hitler would have liked you, you think like he did
.
User: "Tuco Ramirez"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 06 Oct 2006 07:50:48 PM
Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Enkidu wrote:

Emmanual Kann <nicht@keinspam.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2006.10.06.13.49.35.435081@keinspam.invalid:

An Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:03:56 -0700, Tuco Ramirez schreibt:


Enkidu wrote:


You bring to mind the anarchist elements during the Spanish civil war.
They could never accomplish anything because each was too fiercly
independent to ever cooperate toward a common goal.


The outcome of the war was succesfull; the spanish commies got their
butts quicked, along with the "internationalist" assholes.


Yes, they put the fascists in power for another forty years.


And provided a model and a training ground for Hitler's troops. Ever hear
of Guernica?



Ah, a war was going on you know. He was fighting spanish commies and
mercenaries from many countries, including the US. He didn't kill
enough of those animals.
Ever hear of the Katin forest?
Shall we count the number killed by Franco and compare to the number
killed by Stalin?
How about Uncle Lenin?
What about Comandante Fidel?


Wow...you would support Hitler over the democratically elected
government of Spain?


So why were they murdering oppositions leaders BEFORE the start of the
war? You should keep your mouth shut when you don't know what the
***** you are talking about, Lucy?

And when did I say I would support over the democratically elected
government?

By the way you fuckwit demented monkey, Hitler was a socialist. I
wonder why it is that the most evil, murderous governments in HISTORY
have been either socialist, communist, or something in between?

You claim to be a socialist, don't you? It figures.



What a fucking evil ***** this taco is.

Waiter....I didn't order this!]


Hitler was a nationalist first and foremost, and a catholic too, that's
where most of the evil seems to have come from. You should check your
facts before mouthing off too, though I doubt you would recognise a
fact if it kicked you in your atrophied balls while shouting "I'M A
FACT"

Ah yes, he was a misunderstood socialist, or maybe he was confused.
Let's say he was evil because he was a nationalist or a catholic (which
he really wasn't, you dumbass, but why let the facts get in the way; do
you realize that anybody can claim to be anything dumbass?). Well,
what about Uncles Lenin or Stalin, or The Chairman, or Pol Pot, or Ho
Chi Min, or Comandante Fidel, or the man of moment Kim Jong-il; what's
your excuse for those rats?

The Spanish government was democratically elected, the leftist groups
only came in after the fascists began their attempt to usurp power.
Most bloodshed in history has been at the hands of dogma, mostly
religious.

Do I see an attempt to move this enlightening discussion away from the
crimes of your kind?

You're a fucking nazi taco, a fucking nazi and nothing more, now FOAD
you pathetic and worthless piece of *****!

I am neither a nationalist nor a socialist, dumbass. Exactly how does
that make me a nazi?
Do you even know what Nazi stands for?


ps - hitler would have liked you, you think like he did

Of course he would, he was a Socialist piece of *****, just like you are.
.
User: "Lucifer"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 07 Oct 2006 06:17:16 AM
Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Enkidu wrote:

Emmanual Kann <nicht@keinspam.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2006.10.06.13.49.35.435081@keinspam.invalid:

An Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:03:56 -0700, Tuco Ramirez schreibt:


Enkidu wrote:


You bring to mind the anarchist elements during the Spanish civil war.
They could never accomplish anything because each was too fiercly
independent to ever cooperate toward a common goal.


The outcome of the war was succesfull; the spanish commies got their
butts quicked, along with the "internationalist" assholes.


Yes, they put the fascists in power for another forty years.


And provided a model and a training ground for Hitler's troops. Ever hear
of Guernica?



Ah, a war was going on you know. He was fighting spanish commies and
mercenaries from many countries, including the US. He didn't kill
enough of those animals.
Ever hear of the Katin forest?
Shall we count the number killed by Franco and compare to the number
killed by Stalin?
How about Uncle Lenin?
What about Comandante Fidel?


Wow...you would support Hitler over the democratically elected
government of Spain?


So why were they murdering oppositions leaders BEFORE the start of the
war? You should keep your mouth shut when you don't know what the
***** you are talking about, Lucy?

And when did I say I would support over the democratically elected
government?

By the way you fuckwit demented monkey, Hitler was a socialist. I
wonder why it is that the most evil, murderous governments in HISTORY
have been either socialist, communist, or something in between?

You claim to be a socialist, don't you? It figures.



What a fucking evil ***** this taco is.

Waiter....I didn't order this!]


Hitler was a nationalist first and foremost, and a catholic too, that's
where most of the evil seems to have come from. You should check your
facts before mouthing off too, though I doubt you would recognise a
fact if it kicked you in your atrophied balls while shouting "I'M A
FACT"


Ah yes, he was a misunderstood socialist, or maybe he was confused.
Let's say he was evil because he was a nationalist or a catholic (which
he really wasn't, you dumbass, but why let the facts get in the way; do
you realize that anybody can claim to be anything dumbass?).

He stated that he would "always remain a catholic", that was in 1941

Well,
what about Uncles Lenin or Stalin, or The Chairman, or Pol Pot, or Ho
Chi Min, or Comandante Fidel, or the man of moment Kim Jong-il; what's
your excuse for those rats?

State capitalism and communism are not ideal economic systems, in
addition to that, they all are or were totalitarian rulers, no
totalitarian ruler is good, they think dogmatically, and I am the enemy
of dogma.
FOAD



The Spanish government was democratically elected, the leftist groups
only came in after the fascists began their attempt to usurp power.
Most bloodshed in history has been at the hands of dogma, mostly
religious.



Do I see an attempt to move this enlightening discussion away from the
crimes of your kind?


You're a fucking nazi taco, a fucking nazi and nothing more, now FOAD
you pathetic and worthless piece of *****!


I am neither a nationalist nor a socialist, dumbass. Exactly how does
that make me a nazi?

You claim that the nazis were right when they were invoklved in spain
you worthless fucking moron

Do you even know what Nazi stands for?



ps - hitler would have liked you, you think like he did


Of course he would, he was a Socialist piece of *****, just like you are.

I am a social democrat, notice the commitment to democracy there. I
actually am an active antifascist, that's why fascists like you ***** me
off so much
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
.
User: "Tuco Ramirez"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 07 Oct 2006 08:53:24 PM
Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Enkidu wrote:

Emmanual Kann <nicht@keinspam.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2006.10.06.13.49.35.435081@keinspam.invalid:

An Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:03:56 -0700, Tuco Ramirez schreibt:


Enkidu wrote:


You bring to mind the anarchist elements during the Spanish civil war.
They could never accomplish anything because each was too fiercly
independent to ever cooperate toward a common goal.


The outcome of the war was succesfull; the spanish commies got their
butts quicked, along with the "internationalist" assholes.


Yes, they put the fascists in power for another forty years.


And provided a model and a training ground for Hitler's troops. Ever hear
of Guernica?



Ah, a war was going on you know. He was fighting spanish commies and
mercenaries from many countries, including the US. He didn't kill
enough of those animals.
Ever hear of the Katin forest?
Shall we count the number killed by Franco and compare to the number
killed by Stalin?
How about Uncle Lenin?
What about Comandante Fidel?


Wow...you would support Hitler over the democratically elected
government of Spain?


So why were they murdering oppositions leaders BEFORE the start of the
war? You should keep your mouth shut when you don't know what the
***** you are talking about, Lucy?

And when did I say I would support over the democratically elected
government?

By the way you fuckwit demented monkey, Hitler was a socialist. I
wonder why it is that the most evil, murderous governments in HISTORY
have been either socialist, communist, or something in between?

You claim to be a socialist, don't you? It figures.



What a fucking evil ***** this taco is.

Waiter....I didn't order this!]


Hitler was a nationalist first and foremost, and a catholic too, that's
where most of the evil seems to have come from. You should check your
facts before mouthing off too, though I doubt you would recognise a
fact if it kicked you in your atrophied balls while shouting "I'M A
FACT"


Ah yes, he was a misunderstood socialist, or maybe he was confused.
Let's say he was evil because he was a nationalist or a catholic (which
he really wasn't, you dumbass, but why let the facts get in the way; do
you realize that anybody can claim to be anything dumbass?).


He stated that he would "always remain a catholic", that was in 1941

So you don't believe a word the man said, EXCEPT this time. And what
magical powers do you posses that allow you to know when he was telling
the truth?


Well,
what about Uncles Lenin or Stalin, or The Chairman, or Pol Pot, or Ho
Chi Min, or Comandante Fidel, or the man of moment Kim Jong-il; what's
your excuse for those rats?


State capitalism and communism are not ideal economic systems, in
addition to that, they all are or were totalitarian rulers, no
totalitarian ruler is good, they think dogmatically, and I am the enemy
of dogma.

Leftist systems like the one you prefer lead towards totalitarian
regimes; you are just too stupid to realize it. On the road towards
that ultimate goal, individual freedoms are constantly attacked.


FOAD



The Spanish government was democratically elected, the leftist groups
only came in after the fascists began their attempt to usurp power.
Most bloodshed in history has been at the hands of dogma, mostly
religious.



Do I see an attempt to move this enlightening discussion away from the
crimes of your kind?


You're a fucking nazi taco, a fucking nazi and nothing more, now FOAD
you pathetic and worthless piece of *****!


I am neither a nationalist nor a socialist, dumbass. Exactly how does
that make me a nazi?


You claim that the nazis were right when they were invoklved in spain
you worthless fucking moron

Do you even know what Nazi stands for?



ps - hitler would have liked you, you think like he did


Of course he would, he was a Socialist piece of *****, just like you are.


I am a social democrat, notice the commitment to democracy there. I
actually am an active antifascist, that's why fascists like you ***** me
off so much

--

Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"

.

User: "Tuco Ramirez"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 07 Oct 2006 09:00:28 PM
Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Enkidu wrote:

Emmanual Kann <nicht@keinspam.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2006.10.06.13.49.35.435081@keinspam.invalid:

An Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:03:56 -0700, Tuco Ramirez schreibt:


Enkidu wrote:


You bring to mind the anarchist elements during the Spanish civil war.
They could never accomplish anything because each was too fiercly
independent to ever cooperate toward a common goal.


The outcome of the war was succesfull; the spanish commies got their
butts quicked, along with the "internationalist" assholes.


Yes, they put the fascists in power for another forty years.


And provided a model and a training ground for Hitler's troops. Ever hear
of Guernica?



Ah, a war was going on you know. He was fighting spanish commies and
mercenaries from many countries, including the US. He didn't kill
enough of those animals.
Ever hear of the Katin forest?
Shall we count the number killed by Franco and compare to the number
killed by Stalin?
How about Uncle Lenin?
What about Comandante Fidel?


Wow...you would support Hitler over the democratically elected
government of Spain?


So why were they murdering oppositions leaders BEFORE the start of the
war? You should keep your mouth shut when you don't know what the
***** you are talking about, Lucy?

And when did I say I would support over the democratically elected
government?

By the way you fuckwit demented monkey, Hitler was a socialist. I
wonder why it is that the most evil, murderous governments in HISTORY
have been either socialist, communist, or something in between?

You claim to be a socialist, don't you? It figures.



What a fucking evil ***** this taco is.

Waiter....I didn't order this!]


Hitler was a nationalist first and foremost, and a catholic too, that's
where most of the evil seems to have come from. You should check your
facts before mouthing off too, though I doubt you would recognise a
fact if it kicked you in your atrophied balls while shouting "I'M A
FACT"


Ah yes, he was a misunderstood socialist, or maybe he was confused.
Let's say he was evil because he was a nationalist or a catholic (which
he really wasn't, you dumbass, but why let the facts get in the way; do
you realize that anybody can claim to be anything dumbass?).


He stated that he would "always remain a catholic", that was in 1941

So you don't believe a word the man said, EXCEPT this time. And what
magical powers do you posses that allow you to know when he was telling
the truth?


Well,
what about Uncles Lenin or Stalin, or The Chairman, or Pol Pot, or Ho
Chi Min, or Comandante Fidel, or the man of moment Kim Jong-il; what's
your excuse for those rats?


State capitalism and communism are not ideal economic systems, in
addition to that, they all are or were totalitarian rulers, no
totalitarian ruler is good, they think dogmatically, and I am the enemy
of dogma.

Leftist systems like the one you prefer lead towards totalitarian
regimes; you are just too stupid to realize it. On the road towards
that ultimate goal, individual freedoms are constantly attacked.


FOAD



The Spanish government was democratically elected, the leftist groups
only came in after the fascists began their attempt to usurp power.
Most bloodshed in history has been at the hands of dogma, mostly
religious.



Do I see an attempt to move this enlightening discussion away from the
crimes of your kind?


You're a fucking nazi taco, a fucking nazi and nothing more, now FOAD
you pathetic and worthless piece of *****!


I am neither a nationalist nor a socialist, dumbass. Exactly how does
that make me a nazi?


You claim that the nazis were right when they were invoklved in spain
you worthless fucking moron

You claim the communists were right when they were involved in Spain,
yet you claim you are not a communist. How do you explain that,
*****?


Do you even know what Nazi stands for?

As I suspected, you don't even know what the word means. Dummies like
you are what socialism and communism feed on.




ps - hitler would have liked you, you think like he did


Of course he would, he was a Socialist piece of *****, just like you are.


I am a social democrat, notice the commitment to democracy there. I
actually am an active antifascist, that's why fascists like you ***** me
off so much

You call yourself a democrat, so that shows your "commitment to
democracy"! Well, in that case, I am the king of France! Wait, let's
be a little bit more ambitious, I am the Savior Of The World, and I am
here to save you. All you have to do is follow me on the way towards
enlightenment.


--

Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"

.
User: "Lucifer"

Title: Re: Maximum Wage as well as Minimum Wage 08 Oct 2006 07:26:15 AM
Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

Tuco Ramirez wrote:

Enkidu wrote:

Emmanual Kann <nicht@keinspam.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2006.10.06.13.49.35.435081@keinspam.invalid:

An Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:03:56 -0700, Tuco Ramirez schreibt:


Enkidu wrote:


You bring to mind the anarchist elements during the Spanish civil war.
They could never accomplish anything because each was too fiercly
independent to ever cooperate toward a common goal.


The outcome of the war was succesfull; the spanish commies got their
butts quicked, along with the "internationalist" assholes.


Yes, they put the fascists in power for another forty years.


And provided a model and a training ground for Hitler's troops. Ever hear
of Guernica?



Ah, a war was going on you know. He was fighting spanish commies and
mercenaries from many countries, including the US. He didn't kill
enough of those animals.
Ever hear of the Katin forest?
Shall we count the number killed by Franco and compare to the number
killed by Stalin?
How about Uncle Lenin?
What about Comandante Fidel?


Wow...you would support Hitler over the democratically elected
government of Spain?


So why were they murdering oppositions leaders BEFORE the start of the
war? You should keep your mouth shut when you don't know what the
***** you are talking about, Lucy?

And when did I say I would support over the democratically elected
government?

By the way you fuckwit demented monkey, Hitler was a socialist. I
wonder why it is that the most evil, murderous governments in HISTORY
have been either socialist, communist, or something in between?

You claim to be a socialist, don't you? It figures.



What a fucking evil ***** this taco is.

Waiter....I didn't order this!]


Hitler was a nationalist first and foremost, and a catholic too, that's
where most of the evil seems to have come from. You should check your
facts before mouthing off too, though I doubt you would recognise a
fact if it kicked you in your atrophied balls while shouting "I'M A
FACT"


Ah yes, he was a misunderstood socialist, or maybe he was confused.
Let's say he was evil because he was a nationalist or a catholic (which
he really wasn't, you dumbass, but why let the facts get in the way; do
you realize that anybody can claim to be anything dumbass?).


He stated that he would "always remain a catholic", that was in 1941


So you don't believe a word the man said, EXCEPT this time. And what
magical powers do you posses that allow you to know when he was telling

the truth?

Oh no magical powers, he may have been lying, but if he was, it was to
get the support of religion. He certainly was raised a catholic, and he
would not have succeeded without the active support of the churches.
The holocaust is blood on the hands of christianity.



Well,
what about Uncles Lenin or Stalin, or The Chairman, or Pol Pot, or Ho
Chi Min, or Comandante Fidel, or the man of moment Kim Jong-il; what's
your excuse for those rats?


State capitalism and communism are not ideal economic systems, in
addition to that, they all are or were totalitarian rulers, no
totalitarian ruler is good, they think dogmatically, and I am the enemy
of dogma.



Leftist systems like the one you prefer lead towards totalitarian
regimes; you are just too stupid to realize it. On the road towards
that ultimate goal, individual freedoms are constantly attacked.

Interestingly, one of the newer and more interesting leftist
governments in the world is Venezuala. They hold more ballots on issues
than almost any other country, and their elections are somewhat less
corrupt than those in the USA.




FOAD



The Spanish government was democratically elected, the leftist groups
only came in after the fascists began their attempt to usurp power.
Most bloodshed in history has been at the hands of dogma, mostly
religious.



Do I see an attempt to move this enlightening discussion away from the
crimes of your kind?


You're a fucking nazi taco, a fucking nazi and nothing more, now FOAD
you pathetic and worthless piece of *****!


I am neither a nationalist nor a socialist, dumbass. Exactly how does
that make me a nazi?


You claim that the nazis were right when they were invoklved in spain
you worthless fucking moron


You claim the communists were right when they were involved in Spain,
yet you claim you are not a communist. How do you explain that,
*****?

I'm not a communist, but some of the things they did in spain needed
supporting. On the whole I think Lenin was better than the Czars, but
not by much, doesn't mean I like Lenin as such, just that I hate the
Czars.
If supporting the communists in the Spanish civil war makes me a
communist, then not doing it makes you a nazi, so *****




Do you even know what Nazi stands for?


As I suspected, you don't even know what the word means. Dummies like
you are what socialism and communism feed on.





ps - hitler would have liked you, you think like he did


Of course he would, he was a Socialist piece of *****, just like you are.


I am a social democrat, notice the commitment to democracy there. I
actually am an active antifascist, that's why fascists like you ***** me
off so much


You call yourself a democrat, so that shows your "commitment to
democracy"! Well, in that case, I am the king of France! Wait, let's
be a little bit more ambitious, I am the Savior Of The World, and I am
here to save you. All you have to do is follow me on the way towards
enlightenment.



--

Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"

I give up trying to get anything through to this fucktard, he is too
fucking stuipid to be educated, that and he is a fucking nazi.
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
.