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Religions > Atheism |
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"Thurston Phoremost" |
| Date: |
17 Oct 2003 03:01:10 AM |
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Maybe these Xtians are useful after all? |
Department of Credit Where Credit Due Dept?
http://www.gospelcom.net/moh/WinkPrat/DTM/ContractOnChildrenPart2.htm
(...)
Yet a protected childhood is a relatively new thing, introduced by
Christian reformers. Only a century ago, children in England were made
to work in coal mines because they were considered the only ones with
bones flexible enough for the horrifying conditions. Imagine the
terror of their days in the mine shafts.
Human Flesh Was Cheaper
The simplest job was being a "trapper." A child was lowered 50 feet
down a shaft to squat in the mud in total darkness with trickling
water, beetles, and rats, waiting to open the trap door for other
children pulling coal cars. He would let the coal through and then
close the trap door again. That way, if there was a mine explosion, it
only killed the children between the doors. The trap doors cut off the
exploding gas from spreading further. Little children, seven or eight
years old, would sit in the dark every day, sometimes 18 to 20 hours,
listening for the coal cars. Some went insane. Yet in the mines, that
was the best job.
The children suffered terrible cruelty at the hands of adults, who
bargained for them, used them, and dismissed them as they pleased.
Many working underground were only eight or nine years old, girls as
well as boys. Some began toiling in the pits when they were only four
or five. They only saw the sun on Sundays. There were no hours of
relaxation, their meals were mostly eaten in the dark, and they lived
with parents who devoted them to this life.
Think about the actual pulling of the coal cars. Women or small
children had to crawl on their hands and knees dragging enormous
weights along narrow passageways that were only 18 to 24 inches in
height, and were as wet and slimy as common sewers. Women remained at
this work until the last hour of pregnancy. Boys and girls performed
the work by using a girdle and chain. A girdle was put around their
naked waist. A chain from the carriage was hooked to the girdle and
passed between their legs. Crawling on hands and knees they drew the
carriages after them.
"It is not necessary to describe," says Shaftesbury, the Christian
politician who fought against this horror for most of his life, "how
their sides were blistered, their ankles stained, their backs chafed
from rubbing against the roofs, or how they stumbled in the darkness
and choked in the stifling atmosphere. It is enough to say they were
obliged to do the work of horses or other beasts of the field, only
because human flesh and blood was cheaper in some cases and horse
labor was impossible in others."
(...)
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| User: "Dude Blion" |
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| Title: Re: Kosher and tsa'ar ba'alei hayim , the prevention of suffering of animals. |
14 Nov 2003 06:21:06 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<fu9tb.48024$E9.4330@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
"Dog" <animal8881@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Dog" <animal8881@yahoo.com>:
I just sent my email:
Tony:
My neighbor has some cows. So what if they are
never hungry, never sick, and never bothered
by wolves. The last 10 minutes of their lives
are VERY stressful and that SUCKS.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
Gee, they must not have had a kosher slaughter, then :-)
How's a person supposed to know?
Many people have doubts and suspicions:
Peter Singer
Michael Greger
Juliet Gellatley
http://www.uscj.org/REIH_57762888.html
http://www.tikkun.org/magazine/index.cfm/action/tikkun/issue/tik0307/article
http://www.viva.org.uk
The only ones not questioning seem to be you and the 10 at:
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=b9vjvm%242p1%241%40falcon.steinthal.us
Most other people want there to be web cams in
the slaughterhouse, so they don't get in trouble
with God. Most other SMART people, I mean.
And by the way, so what if the Jews gave us
the Bible, the atom bomb, civil rights, feminism,
quantum mechanics, the animal welfare
movement and came up with a better kind of
human evolution 3500 years before Darwin?
Their religion SUCKS.
Thank you for your attention.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
I'm sure they'll listen.
I hope so.
Susan
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| User: "robpar" |
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| Title: Re: Kosher and tsa'ar ba'alei hayim , the prevention of suffering of animals. |
14 Nov 2003 10:18:50 AM |
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On 13 Nov 2003 19:55:33 -0800, (Dog) wrote:
wierdloc@yahoo.com (Dude Blion) wrote in message news:<4ab4ae.0311121557.64bd9ee3@posting.google.com>...
Here's a couple of links, but I haven't had
time to distill my favorite quotes yet. Sorry.
Oh, and they're on YOUR side, not Dissen's.
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http://www.viva.org.uk/Viva!%20Campaigns/ritual_slaughter/Goingforthekill.htm
Viva! Report on Religious Slaughter
by Juliet Gellatley BSc (Zoology),
Director of Viva!
Thanks!
I just sent my email:
Tony:
My neighbor has some cows. So what if they are
never hungry, never sick, and never bothered
by wolves. The last 10 minutes of their lives
are VERY stressful and that SUCKS.
Having been a farmer/rancher all my life I can assure you if we
didn`t eat them we would kill them to keep the population under
control.
And by the way, so what if the Jews gave us
the Bible, the atom bomb, civil rights, feminism,
quantum mechanics, the animal welfare
movement and came up with a better kind of
human evolution 3500 years before Darwin?
Their religion SUCKS.
Thank you for your attention.
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| User: "Binyamin Dissen" |
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| Title: Re: Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews. |
08 Nov 2003 11:37:52 AM |
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On 6 Nov 2003 11:02:31 -0800 (Karen J) wrote:
:>Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message news:<ts2kqvsvd8kuj6de1dpldha8bo24b81nu4@4ax.com>...
:>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:14:44 GMT "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote:
:>> :>"Karen J" <> wrote in message
:>> :>news:2855c1c7.0311051952.227c7c4c@posting.google.com...
:>> :>> (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in message
:>> :>news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
:> (Thurston Phoremost):
:>> :>> > While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL craft,
:>"Karen J" <>:
:>> :>> Some Jews will be uploaded also. The ones who go
:>> :>> back to the original intent of kosher:
:>"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Which is all of us who practice kashrus.
:>"Karen J" <>:
:>> :>> An Insult to Jewish Ideals
:>> :>> by Michael Greger
:>> :>> As currently practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous violation of
:>> :>> Judaism's basic tenets and heritage.
:>"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Too bad this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
:>> :>The people who came to this conclusion relied on faulty methods of
:>> :>discovery.
:>Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>:
:>> Don't worry about it.
:>> She and her ilk also believe that Jews - fighting back - is equally "an
:>> outrageous violation of Judaism's basic tenets and heritage".
:>It's OK to fight back.
:>But do it with links and quotes.
:>Not slurs.
OK.
I will play.
In 40 words or less explain at least one reason that you feel "As currently
practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous violation of Judaism's basic
tenets and heritage".
I have no desire to read a manifesto.
If you cannot explain even one reason in 40 words, one doubts that your
thought are coherent.
--
Binyamin Dissen <bdissen@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews. |
09 Nov 2003 04:15:36 PM |
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"Binyamin Dissen" <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
news:29aqqvkbqjrl25o4jen5on7es1c21ipjgo@4ax.com...
On 6 Nov 2003 11:02:31 -0800 (Karen J) wrote:
:>Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
news:<ts2kqvsvd8kuj6de1dpldha8bo24b81nu4@4ax.com>...
:>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:14:44 GMT "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>
wrote:
:>> :>"Karen J" < > wrote in message
:>> :>news:2855c1c7.0311051952.227c7c4c@posting.google.com...
:>> :>> (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in
message
:>> :>news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
:> (Thurston Phoremost):
:>> :>> > While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL
craft,
:>"Karen J" < >:
:>> :>> Some Jews will be uploaded also. The ones who go
:>> :>> back to the original intent of kosher:
:>"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Which is all of us who practice kashrus.
:>"Karen J" <>:
:>> :>> An Insult to Jewish Ideals
:>> :>> by Michael Greger
:>> :>> As currently practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous
violation of
:>> :>> Judaism's basic tenets and heritage.
:>"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Too bad this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
:>> :>The people who came to this conclusion relied on faulty methods of
:>> :>discovery.
:>Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>:
:>> Don't worry about it.
:>> She and her ilk also believe that Jews - fighting back - is equally
"an
:>> outrageous violation of Judaism's basic tenets and heritage".
:>It's OK to fight back.
:>But do it with links and quotes.
:>Not slurs.
The bigot who spells the word "Jew$" is whining about slurs?
Susan
OK.
I will play.
In 40 words or less explain at least one reason that you feel "As
currently
practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous violation of Judaism's basic
tenets and heritage".
I have no desire to read a manifesto.
If you cannot explain even one reason in 40 words, one doubts that your
thought are coherent.
--
Binyamin Dissen <bdissen@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com
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| User: "Dude Blion" |
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| Title: Re: Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews. |
10 Nov 2003 07:07:51 AM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<c0zrb.17740$E9.10600@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
"Binyamin Dissen" <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
news:29aqqvkbqjrl25o4jen5on7es1c21ipjgo@4ax.com...
On 6 Nov 2003 11:02:31 -0800 (Karen J) wrote:
:>Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
news:<ts2kqvsvd8kuj6de1dpldha8bo24b81nu4@4ax.com>...
:>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:14:44 GMT "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>
wrote:
:>> :>"Karen J" < > wrote in message
:>> :>news:2855c1c7.0311051952.227c7c4c@posting.google.com...
:>> :>> (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in
message
:>> :>news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
(Thurston Phoremost):
:>> :>> > While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL
craft,
"Karen J" < >:
:>> :>> Some Jews will be uploaded also. The ones who go
:>> :>> back to the original intent of kosher:
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Which is all of us who practice kashrus.
"Karen J" < >:
:>> :>> An Insult to Jewish Ideals
:>> :>> by Michael Greger
:>> :>> As currently practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous
violation of
:>> :>> Judaism's basic tenets and heritage.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Too bad this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
:>> :>The people who came to this conclusion relied on faulty methods of
:>> :>discovery.
Both you and Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>
left something out. Here's what Karen J really said:
"It's OK to fight back.
But do it with links and quotes.
Not slurs.
Yeah.
Good idea.
Give me your two best quotes.
Indicating that I don't think you should fight back.
Or that kosher slaughter is just fine the way it is now."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3674749343d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=2855c1c7.0311061102.4bcb8769%40posting.google.com
Dissen still hasn't come up with anything of substance.
He's like you.
Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>:
:>> Don't worry about it.
:>> She and her ilk also believe that Jews - fighting back - is equally
"an
:>> outrageous violation of Judaism's basic tenets and heritage".
:>It's OK to fight back.
:>But do it with links and quotes.
:>Not slurs.
The bigot who spells the word "Jew$" is whining about slurs?
She wasn't whining. You are the one who is whining.
She has given quotes and links. All you have done
is whine and call people names.
"Karen J" <> was merely quoting
someone else when she used the word "Jew$".
Ditto for you.
The same goes for the phrase "As currently practiced,
kosher slaughter is an outrageous violation of
Judaism's basic tenets and heritage":
In that case, "Karen J" was QUOTING Michael Greger,
Farm Sanctuary's Chief investigator. Greger himself
is probably a Jew.
E. L. (nyceddie@webtv.net)started a thread named:
Subject: Re: Are Jew$ a protected species...?
In that thread "Karen J" <>
opened with the following response to
Thurston Phoremost:
(Thurston Phoremost):
"...What we also need to realize is that, all
through history, jews have deliberately made
themselves different to the rest of us in order
to gain significant competitive advantage."
"Karen J" <>:
"According to Kevin Macdonald, it is perfectly natural for
humans to become clannish-ethnocentric if they have lived
in civilization for awhile. WE EUROPEANS are the strange
ones..."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=2855c1c7.0311031956.14bc58e0%40posting.google.com
Part of that thread was carried over to:
Subject: Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews. |
10 Nov 2003 10:18:25 AM |
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"Dude Blion" <wierdloc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4ab4ae.0311100507.29507943@posting.google.com...
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<c0zrb.17740$E9.10600@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
"Binyamin Dissen" <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
news:29aqqvkbqjrl25o4jen5on7es1c21ipjgo@4ax.com...
On 6 Nov 2003 11:02:31 -0800 (Karen J) wrote:
:>Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
news:<ts2kqvsvd8kuj6de1dpldha8bo24b81nu4@4ax.com>...
:>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:14:44 GMT "Susan Cohen"
<flaviaR@verizon.net>
wrote:
:>> :>"Karen J" < > wrote in message
:>> :>news:2855c1c7.0311051952.227c7c4c@posting.google.com...
:>> :>> (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in
message
:>> :>news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
(Thurston Phoremost):
:>> :>> > While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL
craft,
"Karen J" < >:
:>> :>> Some Jews will be uploaded also. The ones who go
:>> :>> back to the original intent of kosher:
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Which is all of us who practice kashrus.
"Karen J" < >:
:>> :>> An Insult to Jewish Ideals
:>> :>> by Michael Greger
:>> :>> As currently practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous
violation of
:>> :>> Judaism's basic tenets and heritage.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Too bad this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
:>> :>The people who came to this conclusion relied on faulty methods
of
:>> :>discovery.
Both you and Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>
left something out. Here's what Karen J really said:
This is what she said later, thanks.
"It's OK to fight back.
But do it with links and quotes.
Not slurs.
Yeah.
Good idea.
Give me your two best quotes.
Indicating that I don't think you should fight back.
Or that kosher slaughter is just fine the way it is now."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3674749343d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=2855c1c7.0311061102.4bcb8769%40posting.google.com
Dissen still hasn't come up with anything of substance.
He's like you.
More like you just don't like what we're saying.
Normally, I don't bother w/people who have shown themselves impervious to
reason, but, since you insist:
These come from someone who was directly involved in the events we're
discussing.
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=ba04qm%248mu%241%40hercules.btinternet.com
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=ba2jdq%24i66%241%40falcon.steinthal.us
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=baa66t%2459u%241%40falcon.steinthal.us
(This one I find particularly interesting, because it shows that the FAWC
belies its own findings, & yet insists that Jews must follow their direction
*anyway*.)
Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>:
:>> Don't worry about it.
:>> She and her ilk also believe that Jews - fighting back - is
equally
"an
:>> outrageous violation of Judaism's basic tenets and heritage".
:>It's OK to fight back.
:>But do it with links and quotes.
:>Not slurs.
The bigot who spells the word "Jew$" is whining about slurs?
She wasn't whining.
Yes, she is, in the quote that you, yourself, quoted, twice.
You are the one who is whining.
Well, if I am, then you must be as well.
She has given quotes and links. All you have done
is whine and call people names.
No, I called her a "name" after she revealed that she was a bigot.
"Karen J" < > was merely quoting
someone else when she used the word "Jew$".
Oh, really? Who?
Ditto for you.
The same goes for the phrase "As currently practiced,
kosher slaughter is an outrageous violation of
Judaism's basic tenets and heritage":
In that case, "Karen J" was QUOTING Michael Greger,
Farm Sanctuary's Chief investigator.
And I never said she wasn't quoting anyone else.
However, she obviously believes the same stupidity.
Greger himself
is probably a Jew.
Really? What makes you think so?
I haven't come across any evidence that anyone Jewish was on the committee -
certainly no one who knew anything about shechita.
[snip IRRELEVENT stuff that was *not* to what I was responding.]
Susan
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| User: "Dude Blion" |
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| Title: Re: Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews. |
10 Nov 2003 11:52:40 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<lTOrb.32248$p9.26457@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>...
"Dude Blion" <wierdloc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4ab4ae.0311100507.29507943@posting.google.com...
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<c0zrb.17740$E9.10600@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
"Binyamin Dissen" <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
news:29aqqvkbqjrl25o4jen5on7es1c21ipjgo@4ax.com...
On 6 Nov 2003 11:02:31 -0800 (Karen J) wrote:
:>Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
news:<ts2kqvsvd8kuj6de1dpldha8bo24b81nu4@4ax.com>...
:>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:14:44 GMT "Susan Cohen"
<flaviaR@verizon.net>
wrote:
:>> :>"Karen J" < > wrote in message
:>> :>news:2855c1c7.0311051952.227c7c4c@posting.google.com...
:>> :>> (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in
message
:>> :>news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
(Thurston Phoremost):
:>> :>> > While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL
craft,
"Karen J" < >:
:>> :>> Some Jews will be uploaded also. The ones who go
:>> :>> back to the original intent of kosher:
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Which is all of us who practice kashrus.
"Karen J" < >:
:>> :>> An Insult to Jewish Ideals
:>> :>> by Michael Greger
:>> :>> As currently practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous
violation of
:>> :>> Judaism's basic tenets and heritage.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Too bad this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
:>> :>The people who came to this conclusion relied on faulty methods
of
:>> :>discovery.
Both you and Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>
left something out. Here's what Karen J really said:
This is what she said later, thanks.
"It's OK to fight back.
But do it with links and quotes.
Not slurs.
Yeah.
Good idea.
Give me your two best quotes.
Indicating that I don't think you should fight back.
Or that kosher slaughter is just fine the way it is now."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3674749343d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=2855c1c7.0311061102.4bcb8769%40posting.google.com
Dissen still hasn't come up with anything of substance.
He's like you.
More like you just don't like what we're saying.
I don't like having to go through all this nonsense
just to get you or Dissen to give a quote or link.
Normally, I don't bother w/people who have shown
themselves impervious to reason,
What have I written indicating that I'm impervious
to reason?
but, since you insist:
It's about time. Sheesh!
These come from someone who was directly involved in the events we're
discussing.
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=ba04qm%248mu%241%40hercules.btinternet.com
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=ba2jdq%24i66%241%40falcon.steinthal.us
All three are links to the same thread of 17 articles
where 10 Jews agree with each other that it's better
for the cow to have it's throat slit while still
conscious than being rendered unconscious first.
No poster was there to present the other side.
It was a soc.culture.jewish.moderated thread.
The initial post is a quote of the Times (London)
and contains, "The Farm Animal Welfare Council,
which is appointed and funded by the Government,
has concluded after a four-year study that Jewish
and Muslim methods of slaughter are inhumane."
The 10 Jews also discuss coalitions of anti-semites,
animal welfare activists, and industry group
interests and discuss possible political stratagies.
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=baa66t%2459u%241%40falcon.steinthal.us
(This one I find particularly interesting, because it shows that the FAWC
belies its own findings, & yet insists that Jews must follow their direction
*anyway*.)
Here's the actual quote:
"...the FAWC examined various stunning procedures
and found them wanting, yet they insist on
compelling Jews to adopt these methods, the
implication being "It's not good enough for
us but it's good enough for the Jews".
Perhaps their conclusion was that stunning is
better than not stunning, but there is still
room for improvement.
Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>:
:>> Don't worry about it.
:>> She and her ilk also believe that Jews - fighting back - is
equally
"an
:>> outrageous violation of Judaism's basic tenets and heritage".
:>It's OK to fight back.
:>But do it with links and quotes.
:>Not slurs.
The bigot who spells the word "Jew$" is whining about slurs?
She wasn't whining.
Yes, she is, in the quote that you, yourself, quoted, twice.
So then eveyone who raises an objection to
something you state is complaining?
You are the one who is whining.
Well, if I am, then you must be as well.
Why can't you just say an objection was
raised? Why did you use the word whining?
You were the first to use it.
She has given quotes and links. All you have done
is whine and call people names.
No, I called her a "name" after she revealed that she was a bigot.
Could you give your two best examples which
indicate that anyone who takes Kevin Macdonald
seriously must be a bigot? I'm asking for
two quotes from Macdonald.
"Karen J" < > was merely quoting
someone else when she used the word "Jew$".
Oh, really? Who?
The person who started the thread:
E. L. (nyceddie@webtv.net)
Ditto for you.
The same goes for the phrase "As currently practiced,
kosher slaughter is an outrageous violation of
Judaism's basic tenets and heritage":
In that case, "Karen J" was QUOTING Michael Greger,
Farm Sanctuary's Chief investigator.
And I never said she wasn't quoting anyone else.
However, she obviously believes the same stupidity.
When I cite someone or reproduce their ENTIRE article
as Karen J did, it doesn't mean I agree with every
last word in the article. But apparently you do.
Greger himself
is probably a Jew.
Really? What makes you think so?
1)He knew about tsa'ar ba'alei hayim, the prevention
of suffering of animals, so that makes him likely to be
a Jew right off the top.
2)He has achieved some status in life (Farm Sanctuary's
Chief investigator plus he's an M.D.) so if he were
also a Christian, Moslem, agnostic or atheist he would
be taking a VERY big risk of being vilified as an
anti-semite. If he were a Jew, then the risk wouldn't
be as bad.
3)I've never run across the name Greger before and it
doesn't sound foreign, so maybe it's Jewish.
I haven't come across any evidence that anyone Jewish was on the committee -
certainly no one who knew anything about shechita.
[snip IRRELEVENT stuff that was *not* to what I was responding.]
Susan
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"Dude Blion" <wierdloc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Dude Blion" <wierdloc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Binyamin Dissen" <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
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On 6 Nov 2003 11:02:31 -0800 (Karen J) wrote:
:>Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
news:<ts2kqvsvd8kuj6de1dpldha8bo24b81nu4@4ax.com>...
:>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:14:44 GMT "Susan Cohen"
<flaviaR@verizon.net>
wrote:
:>> :>"Karen J" < > wrote in message
:>> :>news:2855c1c7.0311051952.227c7c4c@posting.google.com...
:>> :>> (Thurston Phoremost) wrote
in
message
:>> :>news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
(Thurston Phoremost):
:>> :>> > While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in
FTL
craft,
"Karen J" < >:
:>> :>> Some Jews will be uploaded also. The ones who go
:>> :>> back to the original intent of kosher:
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Which is all of us who practice kashrus.
"Karen J" < >:
:>> :>> An Insult to Jewish Ideals
:>> :>> by Michael Greger
:>> :>> As currently practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous
violation of
:>> :>> Judaism's basic tenets and heritage.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Too bad this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
:>> :>The people who came to this conclusion relied on faulty
methods
of
:>> :>discovery.
Both you and Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>
left something out. Here's what Karen J really said:
This is what she said later, thanks.
"It's OK to fight back.
But do it with links and quotes.
Not slurs.
Yeah.
Good idea.
Give me your two best quotes.
Indicating that I don't think you should fight back.
Or that kosher slaughter is just fine the way it is now."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3674749343d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=2855c1c7.0311061102.4bcb8769%40posting.google.com
Dissen still hasn't come up with anything of substance.
He's like you.
More like you just don't like what we're saying.
I don't like having to go through all this nonsense
just to get you or Dissen to give a quote or link.
And I don't feel like bothering with a jerk who defends people who spell the
word "Jew$", who dismiss facts they are given & who try to derail the post
to suit a weird agenda of his own.
Susan
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12 Nov 2003 01:09:55 AM |
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On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:15:36 GMT, "Suzy the convert"
<flavia@verizon.net> wrote:
"Binyamin Dissen" <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
news:29aqqvkbqjrl25o4jen5on7es1c21ipjgo@4ax.com...
On 6 Nov 2003 11:02:31 -0800 (Karen J) wrote:
:>Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
news:<ts2kqvsvd8kuj6de1dpldha8bo24b81nu4@4ax.com>...
:>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:14:44 GMT "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>
wrote:
:>> :>"Karen J" < > wrote in message
:>> :>news:2855c1c7.0311051952.227c7c4c@posting.google.com...
:>> :>> (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in
message
:>> :>news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
:> (Thurston Phoremost):
:>> :>> > While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL
craft,
:>"Karen J" < >:
:>> :>> Some Jews will be uploaded also. The ones who go
:>> :>> back to the original intent of kosher:
:>"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Which is all of us who practice kashrus.
:>"Karen J" <>:
:>> :>> An Insult to Jewish Ideals
:>> :>> by Michael Greger
:>> :>> As currently practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous
violation of
:>> :>> Judaism's basic tenets and heritage.
:>"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Too bad this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
:>> :>The people who came to this conclusion relied on faulty methods of
:>> :>discovery.
:>Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>:
:>> Don't worry about it.
:>> She and her ilk also believe that Jews - fighting back - is equally
"an
:>> outrageous violation of Judaism's basic tenets and heritage".
:>It's OK to fight back.
:>But do it with links and quotes.
:>Not slurs.
The bigot who spells the word "Jew$" is whining about slurs?
Suzy
The shitske whose posts are full of sexual slurs is whining about
slurs?
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08 Nov 2003 04:31:06 PM |
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Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message news:<29aqqvkbqjrl25o4jen5on7es1c21ipjgo@4ax.com>...
On 6 Nov 2003 11:02:31 -0800 (Karen J) wrote:
:>Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message news:<ts2kqvsvd8kuj6de1dpldha8bo24b81nu4@4ax.com>...
:>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:14:44 GMT "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote:
:>> :>"Karen J" <> wrote in message
:>> :>news:2855c1c7.0311051952.227c7c4c@posting.google.com...
:>> :>> (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in message
:>> :>news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
(Thurston Phoremost):
:>> :>> > While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL craft,
"Karen J" <>:
:>> :>> Some Jews will be uploaded also. The ones who go
:>> :>> back to the original intent of kosher:
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Which is all of us who practice kashrus.
"Karen J" <>:
:>> :>> An Insult to Jewish Ideals
:>> :>> by Michael Greger
:>> :>> As currently practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous violation of
:>> :>> Judaism's basic tenets and heritage.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>> :>Too bad this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
:>> :>The people who came to this conclusion relied on faulty methods of
:>> :>discovery.
Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>:
:>> Don't worry about it.
:>> She and her ilk also believe that Jews - fighting back - is equally "an
:>> outrageous violation of Judaism's basic tenets and heritage".
:>"Karen J" <>:
:>It's OK to fight back.
:>But do it with links and quotes.
:>Not slurs.
Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>:
OK.
I will play.
Always answer a question with a question.
Is that your style?
Don't give the asked for quotes.
Just ask another question?
In 40 words or less explain at least one reason that you feel "As currently
practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous violation of Judaism's basic
tenets and heritage".
I have no desire to read a manifesto.
If you cannot explain even one reason in 40 words, one doubts that your
thought are coherent.
Seen my neighbors be cruel to their pets,
so I'm supicious of humans.
Economically the farmer who ignores the
interests of his animals with likely do best.
My previous links indicate some Jews are
suspicious of the kosher process.
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08 Nov 2003 05:17:44 PM |
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"Karen J" <karen715j@yahoo.com> wrote:
My previous links indicate some Jews are
suspicious of the kosher process.
How should I bring it to you, Karen, so as not to hurt your feelings?...
Most of the Jews, whether observant or not, will find your rant to be of bad
taste, to say the least...
Maybe now you should try your luck with Muslims.
Arabic: cîdu l-kabîr
Arabic: cîdu l-'adhâ'
Turkish: büyük-bairam
It is celebrated on the 10. Dhu l-hijja, parallel to a sacrifice performed
by pilgrims in Mecca during the hajj. Idu l-Kabir is performed with a
sacrifice, either a lamb (in Mecca one lamb for each participant, while
Muslims otherwise sacrifice one lamb per family, unless they are well
endowed), or a camel for a group of up to seven people (little common
today). Considering the fact that no Muslim wishes to looked upon as a
miser, more animals are sacrificed than necessary, resulting in a sort of
BBQ-party. Some Turkish people order to slaughter at least 100 sheep! Others
have to borrow money to buy a sheep as they are afraid to be held poor.
Good luck to you in your pusuits...
TK9
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08 Nov 2003 04:58:38 PM |
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On 8 Nov 2003 14:31:06 -0800 (Karen J) wrote:
:>Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message news:<29aqqvkbqjrl25o4jen5on7es1c21ipjgo@4ax.com>...
[ snipped ]
:>> In 40 words or less explain at least one reason that you feel "As currently
:>> practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous violation of Judaism's basic
:>> tenets and heritage".
:>> I have no desire to read a manifesto.
:>> If you cannot explain even one reason in 40 words, one doubts that your
:>> thought are coherent.
:>Seen my neighbors be cruel to their pets,
:>so I'm supicious of humans.
:>Economically the farmer who ignores the
:>interests of his animals with likely do best.
:>My previous links indicate some Jews are
:>suspicious of the kosher process.
That is the best you can do?
"Some Jews are suspicious of the kosher process"?
ROTFL.
--
Binyamin Dissen <bdissen@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com
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| User: "Karen J" |
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08 Nov 2003 09:47:17 PM |
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Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message news:<l5tqqv8mqkka2cpbose56jf73qnviouuob@4ax.com>...
On 8 Nov 2003 14:31:06 -0800 (Karen J) wrote:
:>Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message news:<29aqqvkbqjrl25o4jen5on7es1c21ipjgo@4ax.com>...
[ snipped ]
:>> In 40 words or less explain at least one reason that you feel "As currently
:>> practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous violation of Judaism's basic
:>> tenets and heritage".
:>> I have no desire to read a manifesto.
:>> If you cannot explain even one reason in 40 words, one doubts that your
:>> thought are coherent.
:>Seen my neighbors be cruel to their pets,
:>so I'm supicious of humans.
:>Economically the farmer who ignores the
:>interests of his animals with likely do best.
:>My previous links indicate some Jews are
:>suspicious of the kosher process.
That is the best you can do?
"Some Jews are suspicious of the kosher process"?
ROTFL.
Ok, I suppose I could have written:
Some Jews will be uploaded also. The ones who go
back to the original intent of kosher:
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| User: "Patricia Heil" |
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16 Nov 2003 09:59:10 AM |
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Plus a bunch of people need to go back and read the Bill of Rights
of the US Constitution to realize they're fighting a battle they
won't win.
Karen J wrote:
Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message news:<ts2kqvsvd8kuj6de1dpldha8bo24b81nu4@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:14:44 GMT "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote:
:>"Karen J" <karen715j@yahoo.com> wrote in message
:>news:2855c1c7.0311051952.227c7c4c@posting.google.com...
:>> (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in message
:>news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
(Thurston Phoremost):
:>> > While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL craft,
"Karen J" <karen715j@yahoo.com>:
:>> Some Jews will be uploaded also. The ones who go
:>> back to the original intent of kosher:
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>Which is all of us who practice kashrus.
"Karen J" <karen715j@yahoo.com>:
:>> An Insult to Jewish Ideals
:>> by Michael Greger
:>> As currently practiced, kosher slaughter is an outrageous violation of
:>> Judaism's basic tenets and heritage.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>:
:>Too bad this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
:>The people who came to this conclusion relied on faulty methods of
:>discovery.
Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com>:
Don't worry about it.
She and her ilk also believe that Jews - fighting back - is equally "an
outrageous violation of Judaism's basic tenets and heritage".
It's OK to fight back.
But do it with links and quotes.
Not slurs.
Yeah.
Good idea.
Give me your two best quotes.
Indicating that I don't think you should fight back.
Or that kosher slaughter is just fine the way it is now.
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| User: "The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe" |
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06 Nov 2003 12:13:12 AM |
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:14:44 GMT, "Suzy the convert"
<flavia@verizon.net> wrote:
"Karen J" <karen715j@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2855c1c7.0311051952.227c7c4c@posting.google.com...
thurston_phoremost@hotmail.com (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in message
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While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL craft,
Some Jews will be uploaded also. The ones who go
back to the original intent of kosher:
Which is all of us who practice kashrus.
Why do you practise kashrus? You're Irish.
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| User: "Joebruno" |
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06 Nov 2003 07:24:45 AM |
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(Thurston Phoremost) wrote in message news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
karen715j@yahoo.com (Karen J) wrote in message news:<2855c1c7.0311040751.8c5b2c0@posting.google.com>...
...
raven1 <psychedelephant@flashmail.com>:
Have you any reason to
suggest that such an idea is even remotely possible, much less
relevant?
There are billions of years left to go in this universe.
Technology will certainly eventually advance to the point
where they can play virtual reality games like the one
we are in. They don't necessarily have to simulate an
entire universe. Just enough so they can hook your little
cybersoul to a supercomputer and you can play whatever
games it is that you like to play.
I know that I'm playing the one I'd like to play.
They'll be doing it over and over.
At least some of them.
Probably in many different galaxies.
For billions of years, perhaps.
While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL craft, as
cyborg immortals or pure energy beings freed from the limitations of
flesh and blood bodies and the need to eat and ***** and die, the jews
will still be here on earth just as they are today, fussing over
whether they can put meat and cheese together in the same
refrigerator, wrapping thin pieces of leather around their forearms,
tying little wooden cubes to their foreheads, and standing in front of
a stone wall wailing and rocking backwards and forwards like some poor
wretched unloved unwanted madman in a filthy bedlamic lunatic asylum
in Victorian ENGLAND!!!!!!!!
Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews, eh? :)
T.
You are calling someone else "stupid"?ROTFL!
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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06 Nov 2003 09:33:22 AM |
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"Joebruno" <bruno@indystart.com> wrote in message
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thurston_phoremost@hotmail.com (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in message
news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL craft, as
cyborg immortals or pure energy beings freed from the limitations of
flesh and blood bodies and the need to eat and ***** and die, the jews
will still be here on earth just as they are today, fussing over
whether they can put meat and cheese together in the same
refrigerator, wrapping thin pieces of leather around their forearms,
tying little wooden cubes to their foreheads, and standing in front of
a stone wall wailing and rocking backwards and forwards like some poor
wretched unloved unwanted madman in a filthy bedlamic lunatic asylum
in Victorian ENGLAND!!!!!!!!
Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews, eh? :)
T.
You are calling someone else "stupid"?ROTFL!
Trust a bigot to ignore the facts: such as Jews have, percentage-wise, made
more scientific progress than any other group.
Susan
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| User: "Joebruno" |
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06 Nov 2003 11:53:05 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<6Rtqb.4302$E9.3492@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
"Joebruno" <bruno@indystart.com> wrote in message
news:bf3896a1.0311060524.5d90ccef@posting.google.com...
thurston_phoremost@hotmail.com (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in message
news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL craft, as
cyborg immortals or pure energy beings freed from the limitations of
flesh and blood bodies and the need to eat and ***** and die, the jews
will still be here on earth just as they are today, fussing over
whether they can put meat and cheese together in the same
refrigerator, wrapping thin pieces of leather around their forearms,
tying little wooden cubes to their foreheads, and standing in front of
a stone wall wailing and rocking backwards and forwards like some poor
wretched unloved unwanted madman in a filthy bedlamic lunatic asylum
in Victorian ENGLAND!!!!!!!!
Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews, eh? :)
T.
You are calling someone else "stupid"?ROTFL!
Trust a bigot to ignore the facts: such as Jews have, percentage-wise, made
more scientific progress than any other group.
Susan
I hope you don't expect me to take that on faith.Where are your statistics?
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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07 Nov 2003 12:29:49 AM |
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"Joebruno" <bruno@indystart.com> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Joebruno" <bruno@indystart.com> wrote in message
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thurston_phoremost@hotmail.com (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in message
news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL craft, as
cyborg immortals or pure energy beings freed from the limitations of
flesh and blood bodies and the need to eat and ***** and die, the
jews
will still be here on earth just as they are today, fussing over
whether they can put meat and cheese together in the same
refrigerator, wrapping thin pieces of leather around their forearms,
tying little wooden cubes to their foreheads, and standing in front
of
a stone wall wailing and rocking backwards and forwards like some
poor
wretched unloved unwanted madman in a filthy bedlamic lunatic asylum
in Victorian ENGLAND!!!!!!!!
Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews, eh? :)
T.
You are calling someone else "stupid"?ROTFL!
Trust a bigot to ignore the facts: such as Jews have, percentage-wise,
made
more scientific progress than any other group.
Susan
I hope you don't expect me to take that on faith.Where are your
statistics?
You're kidding, right?
Besides, I just answered this in another post.
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| User: "Joebruno" |
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07 Nov 2003 09:06:28 AM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<xZGqb.10054$p9.4419@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>...
"Joebruno" <bruno@indystart.com> wrote in message
news:bf3896a1.0311062153.7333e555@posting.google.com...
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<6Rtqb.4302$E9.3492@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
"Joebruno" <bruno@indystart.com> wrote in message
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thurston_phoremost@hotmail.com (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in message
news:<acb7fa96.0311041352.78017332@posting.google.com>...
While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL craft, as
cyborg immortals or pure energy beings freed from the limitations of
flesh and blood bodies and the need to eat and ***** and die, the
jews
will still be here on earth just as they are today, fussing over
whether they can put meat and cheese together in the same
refrigerator, wrapping thin pieces of leather around their forearms,
tying little wooden cubes to their foreheads, and standing in front
of
a stone wall wailing and rocking backwards and forwards like some
poor
wretched unloved unwanted madman in a filthy bedlamic lunatic asylum
in Victorian ENGLAND!!!!!!!!
Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews, eh? :)
T.
You are calling someone else "stupid"?ROTFL!
Trust a bigot to ignore the facts: such as Jews have, percentage-wise,
made
more scientific progress than any other group.
Susan
I hope you don't expect me to take that on faith.Where are your
statistics?
You're kidding, right?
Not at all.
Besides, I just answered this in another post.
Where?
http://primeshop.com/ragsmid/smiles.mid
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| User: "Newton Joseph" |
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07 Nov 2003 02:18:25 PM |
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Do you know all Jews?
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| User: "Joebruno" |
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08 Nov 2003 08:55:13 AM |
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"Newton Joseph" <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com> wrote in message news:<l6Tqb.57047$Ub4.1349@twister.socal.rr.com>...
Do you know all Jews?
Did I say I did?
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07 Nov 2003 01:21:47 PM |
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(Joebruno) wrote in message news:<bf3896a1.0311062153.7333e555@posting.google.com>...
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<6Rtqb.4302$E9.3492@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
"Joebruno" < > wrote in message
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thurston_phoremost@hotmail.com (Thurston Phoremost) wrote in message
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While the rest of us are flitting around the galaxy in FTL craft, as
cyborg immortals or pure energy beings freed from the limitations of
flesh and blood bodies and the need to eat and ***** and die, the jews
will still be here on earth just as they are today, fussing over
whether they can put meat and cheese together in the same
refrigerator, wrapping thin pieces of leather around their forearms,
tying little wooden cubes to their foreheads, and standing in front of
a stone wall wailing and rocking backwards and forwards like some poor
wretched unloved unwanted madman in a filthy bedlamic lunatic asylum
in Victorian ENGLAND!!!!!!!!> > > >
Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews, eh? :)
T.
You are calling someone else "stupid"?ROTFL!
Trust a bigot to ignore the facts: such as Jews have, percentage-wise, made
more scientific progress than any other group.
Susan>
I hope you don't expect me to take that on faith.Where are your statistics?>
Joe, are you the only living soul who doesn't know that Jews are one
of the most influential and intellectual peoples on the planet!? LOL!
Jews have exerted an influence on world civilization more profound and
lasting than any other ancient culture. Jews are universally
acknowledged as the source of many of the major religions of the
world. Jews are the oldest of any people on earth, still around with
their national identity and cultural heritage intact. Jews were the
only people capable of producing Moses and Jesus of Nazareth and
inspiring the Prophet of Islam. There is no other religion (one as
popular & as influential as Judaism) that has been able to persevere
to the same extent as the Hebrews. In the end, "stupid Jew" is an
oxymoron, considering that Jews still score higher on IQ tests &
College Board entry exams than any other ethnicity. Jews are still the
wealthiest ethnic group in America, as you may have seen from my prior
post in this thread. Do you think it's just a coincidence that the
greatest mind of the 20th century (EINSTEIN) just happened to be
Jewish? Let it also be known to the jealous SHNOOK who rambled on
about Victorian England: If not for the fortunes of Moses Montefiore,
Isaac Goldsmid, David Salomons and Nathan Rothschild (The ROTHSCHILDS
are the archetype of the international banker/socialite), England
wouldn't have a pot to PISH in!ehehe The fortunes of English-Jews
helped turn England into an empire! It was also a Yiddish-British
citizen & brilliant scientist by the name Chaim Weizmann (first
President of Israel), who helped save England from being conquered by
everyone and their mum! eh In 1915, England faced a critical shortage
of acetone for explosives, and it took a Chaim Weizmann, who figured
out a way to produce it synthetically from ordinary chestnuts, which
were plentiful in England. In gratitude, the English government wanted
to make Weizmann a knight. Instead of this personal honor, he pleaded
that the British government proclaim its willingness to support the
idea of a Jewish homeland in the Middle East. The rest is history! And
how can we forget about the first Jewish Prime Minister of England,
Benjamin Disraeli!? Without question, one of the most historic in
England's history. Remember, wherever you turn, so shall be the Jew!
As Paul Johnson (historian) said in his "History of the Jews," "If you
take almost anything - science, law, philosophy, literature, medicine,
music - and track it back to its roots, you will find Jews there, or
at least meet an awful lot of them along the way." Joe McCain also
said it best: "The modern United States, in spite of itself, IS The
United States in part because of its Jewish blood." -D, NYC "If
statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human
race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in the blaze of
the Milky way. Properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he
is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the
planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is
extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His
contributions to the world's list of great names in literature,
science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also
away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a
marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and had done it with
his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused
for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Roman followed, and made
a vast noise, and they are gone. Other peoples have sprung up and held
their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in
twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all,
and is now what he always was, exhibiting decadence, no infirmities of
age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling
of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the
Jew;all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his
immortality?" - MARK TWAIN
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07 Nov 2003 02:06:30 PM |
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On 7 Nov 2003 11:21:47 -0800, <> wrote:
Joe, are you the only living soul who doesn't know that Jews are one
of the most influential and intellectual peoples on the planet!? LOL!
Jews have exerted an influence on world civilization more profound and
lasting than any other ancient culture. Jews are universally
acknowledged as the source of many of the major religions of the
world. Jews are the oldest of any people on earth, still around with
That is nothing to be proud of. Judaism and it's offshoots islam
and christianity have caused more human misery than anything else in
history. It's a stone age system of thought and it should have died
in the stone age if not for it's anti-intellectualism
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12 Nov 2003 12:42:34 PM |
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"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
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On 7 Nov 2003 11:21:47 -0800, <> wrote:
Joe, are you the only living soul who doesn't know that Jews are one
of the most influential and intellectual peoples on the planet!? LOL!
Jews have exerted an influence on world civilization more profound and
lasting than any other ancient culture. Jews are universally
acknowledged as the source of many of the major religions of the
world. Jews are the oldest of any people on earth, still around with
That is nothing to be proud of. Judaism and it's offshoots islam
and christianity have caused more human misery than anything else in
history.
Wrong.
Judais is not responsible, & certainly not for people who have broken from
it so.
It's a stone age system of thought and it should have died
in the stone age if not for it's anti-intellectualism
Then what's your excuse?
Susan
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12 Nov 2003 12:47:43 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
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On 7 Nov 2003 11:21:47 -0800, <>
wrote:
Joe, are you the only living soul who doesn't know that Jews are one
of the most influential and intellectual peoples on the planet!? LOL!
Jews have exerted an influence on world civilization more profound and
lasting than any other ancient culture. Jews are universally
acknowledged as the source of many of the major religions of the
world. Jews are the oldest of any people on earth, still around with
That is nothing to be proud of. Judaism and it's offshoots islam
and christianity have caused more human misery than anything else in
history.
Wrong.
Judais is not responsible, & certainly not for people who have broken from
it so.
It's a stone age system of thought and it should have died
in the stone age if not for it's anti-intellectualism
Then what's your excuse?
Susan
It's TCS' intellectualism against this:
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
- A. Einstaein
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| User: "TonyaK911" |
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07 Nov 2003 02:30:23 PM |
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"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbqnuq6.2gq3.The-Central-Scrutinizer@turing.kaosol.net...
On 7 Nov 2003 11:21:47 -0800, <> wrote:
Joe, are you the only living soul who doesn't know that Jews are one
of the most influential and intellectual peoples on the planet!? LOL!
Jews have exerted an influence on world civilization more profound and
lasting than any other ancient culture. Jews are universally
acknowledged as the source of many of the major religions of the
world. Jews are the oldest of any people on earth, still around with
That is nothing to be proud of. Judaism and it's offshoots islam
and christianity have caused more human misery than anything else in
history. It's a stone age system of thought and it should have died
in the stone age if not for it's anti-intellectualism
If you were G-d, you might have made it happened your way.
Fortunately for everybody, you're just a little self-absorbed atheistic
*****, therefore - inconsequential.
Now, pull your pants up. You look like an idiot.
TK9
"Man is what he believes."
-- Anton Chekhov
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