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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Thurston Phoremost" |
| Date: |
17 Oct 2003 03:01:10 AM |
| Object: |
Maybe these Xtians are useful after all? |
Department of Credit Where Credit Due Dept?
http://www.gospelcom.net/moh/WinkPrat/DTM/ContractOnChildrenPart2.htm
(...)
Yet a protected childhood is a relatively new thing, introduced by
Christian reformers. Only a century ago, children in England were made
to work in coal mines because they were considered the only ones with
bones flexible enough for the horrifying conditions. Imagine the
terror of their days in the mine shafts.
Human Flesh Was Cheaper
The simplest job was being a "trapper." A child was lowered 50 feet
down a shaft to squat in the mud in total darkness with trickling
water, beetles, and rats, waiting to open the trap door for other
children pulling coal cars. He would let the coal through and then
close the trap door again. That way, if there was a mine explosion, it
only killed the children between the doors. The trap doors cut off the
exploding gas from spreading further. Little children, seven or eight
years old, would sit in the dark every day, sometimes 18 to 20 hours,
listening for the coal cars. Some went insane. Yet in the mines, that
was the best job.
The children suffered terrible cruelty at the hands of adults, who
bargained for them, used them, and dismissed them as they pleased.
Many working underground were only eight or nine years old, girls as
well as boys. Some began toiling in the pits when they were only four
or five. They only saw the sun on Sundays. There were no hours of
relaxation, their meals were mostly eaten in the dark, and they lived
with parents who devoted them to this life.
Think about the actual pulling of the coal cars. Women or small
children had to crawl on their hands and knees dragging enormous
weights along narrow passageways that were only 18 to 24 inches in
height, and were as wet and slimy as common sewers. Women remained at
this work until the last hour of pregnancy. Boys and girls performed
the work by using a girdle and chain. A girdle was put around their
naked waist. A chain from the carriage was hooked to the girdle and
passed between their legs. Crawling on hands and knees they drew the
carriages after them.
"It is not necessary to describe," says Shaftesbury, the Christian
politician who fought against this horror for most of his life, "how
their sides were blistered, their ankles stained, their backs chafed
from rubbing against the roofs, or how they stumbled in the darkness
and choked in the stifling atmosphere. It is enough to say they were
obliged to do the work of horses or other beasts of the field, only
because human flesh and blood was cheaper in some cases and horse
labor was impossible in others."
(...)
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| User: "The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe" |
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| Title: Re: Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews. |
26 Nov 2003 07:49:26 AM |
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On 26 Nov 2003 00:53:47 -0800, (James Kilner)
wrote:
renegadde@anglican.org (The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fbefd43.11665612@news.tiscali.co.uk>...
On 20 Nov 2003 00:38:32 -0800, (James Kilner)
wrote:
(The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fbc011d.26702604@news.onetel.net.uk>...
On 19 Nov 2003 05:59:24 -0800, (James Kilner)
wrote:
(The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fbb3d3f.17026133@news.onetel.net.uk>...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:31:24 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:09:58 GMT, (The Revd
Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 02:33:00 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:37:33 GMT, (The Revd
Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:37:37 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:55:15 GMT, (The Revd
Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:42:31 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:40:59 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:36:22 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
That was the fake. The following was the real statement:
So, the fake statement is on the official CoI web pages? Why?
Because the phony Revd forged the second statement.
No, you forged the first one.
So you say. And the last update to
http://ireland.anglican.org/navigation.html on October 19th, 2003
still disowns you. You still have a link all of your own there.
A hacker's work is never done.
You mean that the Rev. Michael Graham is unable to remove the link to
the disclaimer, in spite of his ringing endorsement of you?
Apparently. You can't expect a clergyman to be able to compete with
professional hackers.
Indeed, after all he simply maintains and updates the sites. He
obviously cannot remove the link when he updates the page. And I'm
sure that he has been unable for the last five months to work out a
way of getting the offending pages off his server.
So it appears. They don't teach this sort of thing in Departments of
Divinity (Pure or Applied).
So you admit you know nothing about it, or is this another of your
fantasy degrees?
Neither.
So you do know about hacking then? You'll have no problem in giving
precise details on some easy hacking 'holes' and countermeasures that
counteract those holes.
In your tunnel-visioned engineering mind there seem to be only two
possibilities: knowing nothing about hacking and knowing everything.
I didn't say you knew everything. Given you say you know something
about hacking (by your refutation of knowing nothing), I was simply
asking you to provide proof of your knowledge with regard to some easy
'holes'. I see elsewhere on this thread you have been a bit
'tunnel-visioned' yourself with regards to science-fiction. Sounds a
bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
It would do to you. You're a tunnel-visioned engineer.
You are still not listed as being a member of the clergy in the
directory
http://ireland.anglican.org/dioceses/directory/parishes.asp?UtdDiocID=1
last update September 29th, 2003.
See above.
Yep, the site gets updated, yet you are never listed there. Your
previous excuse was that the site was not updated, i.e. was outdated.
That was when I'd recently joined. This was before the hacking
started.
Oh, I see. So now every time the directory is updated, instantly, the
site is hacked and your name is removed.
Apparently.
All very convenient. That someone would go to such lengths just to
discredit you is simply remarkable.
You don't seem to have any problem believing that the Church of
Ireland would go to the trouble of discrediting me, to the extent of
two web pages and an entry in the Gazette.
As I said, I've got an e-mail in my inbox from the office of
Archbishop Eames which clearly states that he knows nothing of you.
As you've said???? And what do we have to back this up apart from
the word of a lying jew?
Yes, as I said on another thread a while ago.
Repetition is supposed to bless your lies with some kind of
validity???
Is your memory failing
you know as well?
In English please, Kilner.
If you doubt my word then write an e-mail to the
Archbishop yourself. The e-mail from me will be dated 27th June 2003.
I have. He has no record of any such e-mail.
It was my contacting him in the first place that led Revd Graham to
post on usenet the disclaimer. Are you now suggesting that the
hackers got into the Archbishop's inbox and replied to me for the sole
purpose of discrediting you?
There is no such e-mail. There never was.
Why would I lie about such a thing.
Because you're a jew. It's what you people do!
The INS is unaware of the I-651 as it is a secret program that they
administer without knowing about it.
It is a clandestine operation within the BCIS. Those who need to
know, know. Those who don't, don't. For obvious reasons.
Naturally, and you are privy to this, presumably because you have a
need to know.
You just don't understand, do you?
Explain how you know a program which in your words "is a clandestine
operation within the BCIS. Those who need to know, know. Those who
don't, don't" if you don't have a need to know?
This only refers to BCIS employees. There, that wasn't too hard to
understand, was it?
So you work for the BCIS.
Do I?
You claim to have intimate knowledge of their operations. Even
Microsoft doesn't leak that much information.
How would you know?
As you've stated previously I'm just a sad engineer.
Precisely.
I spend my whole
days trawling the web looking for news items about Microsoft and their
inability to keep anything locked up.
What makes you think you're worth leaking something to?
Now, is that the Building Cost Information
Service Ltd, or is it the Biodiversity Conservation Information
System. Or perhaps you work for the law office of Paul B.
Christensen. Perhaps it's the British Cardiovascular Intervention
Society. Or perhaps it's the US Government department which now falls
under the banner of USCIS, but they failed to tell you of the name
change?
Which do you think?
None of the above, after all, you are a habitual liar.
Wrong again, Kilner. You really do know jack *****, don't you?
So you do work for one of them then.
Still wrong.
My guess is the Building Cost
Information Service Ltd. You definitely aren't a lawyer or involved
in the law profession for you would have given some evidence at some
point in the past. You're not in the Cardiovascular Society and I'm
pretty sure the USCIS would not employ a Revd (real or imaginary) from
Ireland.
Keep guessing.
If you don't work for them, then why is it 'a clandestine operation
within BCIS' about which the employees have no knowledge, but you, a
non-employee seem to have intimate knowledge?
Those employees who are involved in the operation obviously do know
about it. This information occasionally gets leaked.
As I said before, even Microsoft doesn't leak that much information.
They would most certainly not leak that information to members of the
clergy in Ireland (real or fake). Unless of course it was a well
publicised leak in which case there would be far more people than just
you in the world who knew about it!
Many do. And now you do too.
Obviously not, I only have your word for it and I don't believe you at
all. Perhaps you could provide another source for your information.
We wouldn't want to have a 'Chinese Whisper' situation now would we.
You don't believe me? Then why are you engaging in conversation with
me?
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| User: "James Kilner" |
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| Title: Re: Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews. |
27 Nov 2003 03:00:09 AM |
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(The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fc4adeb.2430171@news.onetel.net.uk>...
On 26 Nov 2003 00:53:47 -0800, (James Kilner)
wrote:
renegadde@anglican.org (The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fbefd43.11665612@news.tiscali.co.uk>...
On 20 Nov 2003 00:38:32 -0800, (James Kilner)
wrote:
(The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fbc011d.26702604@news.onetel.net.uk>...
On 19 Nov 2003 05:59:24 -0800, (James Kilner)
wrote:
(The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fbb3d3f.17026133@news.onetel.net.uk>...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:31:24 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:09:58 GMT, (The Revd
Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 02:33:00 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:37:33 GMT, (The Revd
Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:37:37 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:55:15 GMT, (The Revd
Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:42:31 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:40:59 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:36:22 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
That was the fake. The following was the real statement:
So, the fake statement is on the official CoI web pages? Why?
Because the phony Revd forged the second statement.
No, you forged the first one.
So you say. And the last update to
http://ireland.anglican.org/navigation.html on October 19th, 2003
still disowns you. You still have a link all of your own there.
A hacker's work is never done.
You mean that the Rev. Michael Graham is unable to remove the link to
the disclaimer, in spite of his ringing endorsement of you?
Apparently. You can't expect a clergyman to be able to compete with
professional hackers.
Indeed, after all he simply maintains and updates the sites. He
obviously cannot remove the link when he updates the page. And I'm
sure that he has been unable for the last five months to work out a
way of getting the offending pages off his server.
So it appears. They don't teach this sort of thing in Departments of
Divinity (Pure or Applied).
So you admit you know nothing about it, or is this another of your
fantasy degrees?
Neither.
So you do know about hacking then? You'll have no problem in giving
precise details on some easy hacking 'holes' and countermeasures that
counteract those holes.
In your tunnel-visioned engineering mind there seem to be only two
possibilities: knowing nothing about hacking and knowing everything.
I didn't say you knew everything. Given you say you know something
about hacking (by your refutation of knowing nothing), I was simply
asking you to provide proof of your knowledge with regard to some easy
'holes'. I see elsewhere on this thread you have been a bit
'tunnel-visioned' yourself with regards to science-fiction. Sounds a
bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
It would do to you. You're a tunnel-visioned engineer.
Obviously. The great qualities about tunnel-vision is that it's very
easy to see lies when they present themselves.
You are still not listed as being a member of the clergy in the
directory
http://ireland.anglican.org/dioceses/directory/parishes.asp?UtdDiocID=1
last update September 29th, 2003.
See above.
Yep, the site gets updated, yet you are never listed there. Your
previous excuse was that the site was not updated, i.e. was outdated.
That was when I'd recently joined. This was before the hacking
started.
Oh, I see. So now every time the directory is updated, instantly, the
site is hacked and your name is removed.
Apparently.
All very convenient. That someone would go to such lengths just to
discredit you is simply remarkable.
You don't seem to have any problem believing that the Church of
Ireland would go to the trouble of discrediting me, to the extent of
two web pages and an entry in the Gazette.
As I said, I've got an e-mail in my inbox from the office of
Archbishop Eames which clearly states that he knows nothing of you.
As you've said???? And what do we have to back this up apart from
the word of a lying jew?
Yes, as I said on another thread a while ago.
Repetition is supposed to bless your lies with some kind of
validity???
You seem to think it works.
Is your memory failing
you know as well?
In English please, Kilner.
Sorry, do you not recognise English anymore? Perhaps you should look
the words up in the dictionary. They're all there. The problem was a
grammatical one, the solution is to either remove the k from know or
to remove the word know completely.
Would you like me to point out your spelling mistakes as well?
If you doubt my word then write an e-mail to the
Archbishop yourself. The e-mail from me will be dated 27th June 2003.
I have. He has no record of any such e-mail.
Once again you are lying. You have never had any contact with the
Archbishop other than perhaps seeing his picture on the Anglican
website.
It was my contacting him in the first place that led Revd Graham to
post on usenet the disclaimer. Are you now suggesting that the
hackers got into the Archbishop's inbox and replied to me for the sole
purpose of discrediting you?
There is no such e-mail. There never was.
Why would I lie about such a thing.
Because you're a jew. It's what you people do!
And the 'genetic proof' of this is still being written up!
The INS is unaware of the I-651 as it is a secret program that they
administer without knowing about it.
It is a clandestine operation within the BCIS. Those who need to
know, know. Those who don't, don't. For obvious reasons.
Naturally, and you are privy to this, presumably because you have a
need to know.
You just don't understand, do you?
Explain how you know a program which in your words "is a clandestine
operation within the BCIS. Those who need to know, know. Those who
don't, don't" if you don't have a need to know?
This only refers to BCIS employees. There, that wasn't too hard to
understand, was it?
So you work for the BCIS.
Do I?
You claim to have intimate knowledge of their operations. Even
Microsoft doesn't leak that much information.
How would you know?
As you've stated previously I'm just a sad engineer.
Precisely.
I spend my whole
days trawling the web looking for news items about Microsoft and their
inability to keep anything locked up.
What makes you think you're worth leaking something to?
The thing about leaks from Microsoft is that there are no boundaries
they cannot cross. The leaks you speak of seem to only get to you and
go no further. That, after all, is the only explanation as to why you
are the only person who knows about the 'expulsion' programme.
I thought previously that you might be delusional, but now I'm
certain.
Now, is that the Building Cost Information
Service Ltd, or is it the Biodiversity Conservation Information
System. Or perhaps you work for the law office of Paul B.
Christensen. Perhaps it's the British Cardiovascular Intervention
Society. Or perhaps it's the US Government department which now falls
under the banner of USCIS, but they failed to tell you of the name
change?
Which do you think?
None of the above, after all, you are a habitual liar.
Wrong again, Kilner. You really do know jack *****, don't you?
So you do work for one of them then.
Still wrong.
Now, here is a little lesson for you in the English language. I give
a list of companies/societies which you might possibly work for. You
ask me which I think, you work for to which I reply 'none of the
above'. You then tell me I'm wrong. Therefore you must work for one
of them, but you say no. Now, in normal English usage, that would
make one of your statements a lie. I'll let you decide which.
My guess is the Building Cost
Information Service Ltd. You definitely aren't a lawyer or involved
in the law profession for you would have given some evidence at some
point in the past. You're not in the Cardiovascular Society and I'm
pretty sure the USCIS would not employ a Revd (real or imaginary) from
Ireland.
Keep guessing.
Given you just lied about this I don't think I'll bother.
If you don't work for them, then why is it 'a clandestine operation
within BCIS' about which the employees have no knowledge, but you, a
non-employee seem to have intimate knowledge?
Those employees who are involved in the operation obviously do know
about it. This information occasionally gets leaked.
As I said before, even Microsoft doesn't leak that much information.
They would most certainly not leak that information to members of the
clergy in Ireland (real or fake). Unless of course it was a well
publicised leak in which case there would be far more people than just
you in the world who knew about it!
Many do. And now you do too.
Obviously not, I only have your word for it and I don't believe you at
all. Perhaps you could provide another source for your information.
We wouldn't want to have a 'Chinese Whisper' situation now would we.
You don't believe me? Then why are you engaging in conversation with
me?
I'm hoping above all hopes that for once you will provide a reference
to that which you claim is the truth.
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| User: "The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe" |
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| Title: Re: Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews. |
27 Nov 2003 11:16:19 AM |
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On 27 Nov 2003 01:00:09 -0800, (James Kilner)
wrote:
rennegade@anggllican.org (The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fc4adeb.2430171@news.onetel.net.uk>...
On 26 Nov 2003 00:53:47 -0800, (James Kilner)
wrote:
renegadde@anglican.org (The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fbefd43.11665612@news.tiscali.co.uk>...
On 20 Nov 2003 00:38:32 -0800, (James Kilner)
wrote:
(The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fbc011d.26702604@news.onetel.net.uk>...
On 19 Nov 2003 05:59:24 -0800, (James Kilner)
wrote:
(The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fbb3d3f.17026133@news.onetel.net.uk>...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:31:24 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:09:58 GMT, (The Revd
Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 02:33:00 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:37:33 GMT, (The Revd
Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:37:37 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:55:15 GMT, (The Revd
Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:42:31 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:40:59 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:36:22 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
That was the fake. The following was the real statement:
So, the fake statement is on the official CoI web pages? Why?
Because the phony Revd forged the second statement.
No, you forged the first one.
So you say. And the last update to
http://ireland.anglican.org/navigation.html on October 19th, 2003
still disowns you. You still have a link all of your own there.
A hacker's work is never done.
You mean that the Rev. Michael Graham is unable to remove the link to
the disclaimer, in spite of his ringing endorsement of you?
Apparently. You can't expect a clergyman to be able to compete with
professional hackers.
Indeed, after all he simply maintains and updates the sites. He
obviously cannot remove the link when he updates the page. And I'm
sure that he has been unable for the last five months to work out a
way of getting the offending pages off his server.
So it appears. They don't teach this sort of thing in Departments of
Divinity (Pure or Applied).
So you admit you know nothing about it, or is this another of your
fantasy degrees?
Neither.
So you do know about hacking then? You'll have no problem in giving
precise details on some easy hacking 'holes' and countermeasures that
counteract those holes.
In your tunnel-visioned engineering mind there seem to be only two
possibilities: knowing nothing about hacking and knowing everything.
I didn't say you knew everything. Given you say you know something
about hacking (by your refutation of knowing nothing), I was simply
asking you to provide proof of your knowledge with regard to some easy
'holes'. I see elsewhere on this thread you have been a bit
'tunnel-visioned' yourself with regards to science-fiction. Sounds a
bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
It would do to you. You're a tunnel-visioned engineer.
Obviously. The great qualities about tunnel-vision is that it's very
easy to see lies when they present themselves.
On the contrary. The great disadvantage of tunnel vision is that is
prevents you from seeing the wider truth.
You are still not listed as being a member of the clergy in the
directory
http://ireland.anglican.org/dioceses/directory/parishes.asp?UtdDiocID=1
last update September 29th, 2003.
See above.
Yep, the site gets updated, yet you are never listed there. Your
previous excuse was that the site was not updated, i.e. was outdated.
That was when I'd recently joined. This was before the hacking
started.
Oh, I see. So now every time the directory is updated, instantly, the
site is hacked and your name is removed.
Apparently.
All very convenient. That someone would go to such lengths just to
discredit you is simply remarkable.
You don't seem to have any problem believing that the Church of
Ireland would go to the trouble of discrediting me, to the extent of
two web pages and an entry in the Gazette.
As I said, I've got an e-mail in my inbox from the office of
Archbishop Eames which clearly states that he knows nothing of you.
As you've said???? And what do we have to back this up apart from
the word of a lying jew?
Yes, as I said on another thread a while ago.
Repetition is supposed to bless your lies with some kind of
validity???
You seem to think it works.
Does it work for you?
Is your memory failing
you know as well?
In English please, Kilner.
Sorry, do you not recognise English anymore? Perhaps you should look
the words up in the dictionary. They're all there. The problem was a
grammatical one, the solution is to either remove the k from know or
to remove the word know completely.
The syntax was garbled. I assumed it was yiddish.
Would you like me to point out your spelling mistakes as well?
Please do.
If you doubt my word then write an e-mail to the
Archbishop yourself. The e-mail from me will be dated 27th June 2003.
I have. He has no record of any such e-mail.
Once again you are lying. You have never had any contact with the
Archbishop other than perhaps seeing his picture on the Anglican
website.
It was my contacting him in the first place that led Revd Graham to
post on usenet the disclaimer. Are you now suggesting that the
hackers got into the Archbishop's inbox and replied to me for the sole
purpose of discrediting you?
There is no such e-mail. There never was.
Why would I lie about such a thing.
Because you're a jew. It's what you people do!
And the 'genetic proof' of this is still being written up!
Indeed. The empirical evidence has been around for centuries. Only
now, with the latest advances in genetics, has the scientific proof
become attainable. As a tunnel-visioned engineer you should
appreciate that.
The INS is unaware of the I-651 as it is a secret program that they
administer without knowing about it.
It is a clandestine operation within the BCIS. Those who need to
know, know. Those who don't, don't. For obvious reasons.
Naturally, and you are privy to this, presumably because you have a
need to know.
You just don't understand, do you?
Explain how you know a program which in your words "is a clandestine
operation within the BCIS. Those who need to know, know. Those who
don't, don't" if you don't have a need to know?
This only refers to BCIS employees. There, that wasn't too hard to
understand, was it?
So you work for the BCIS.
Do I?
You claim to have intimate knowledge of their operations. Even
Microsoft doesn't leak that much information.
How would you know?
As you've stated previously I'm just a sad engineer.
Precisely.
I spend my whole
days trawling the web looking for news items about Microsoft and their
inability to keep anything locked up.
What makes you think you're worth leaking something to?
The thing about leaks from Microsoft is that there are no boundaries
they cannot cross. The leaks you speak of seem to only get to you and
go no further. That, after all, is the only explanation as to why you
are the only person who knows about the 'expulsion' programme.
I have never claimed to be the only person to know about the expulsion
programme. Why are you lying again?
I thought previously that you might be delusional, but now I'm
certain.
Is that because you're lying or because you're deluded?
Now, is that the Building Cost Information
Service Ltd, or is it the Biodiversity Conservation Information
System. Or perhaps you work for the law office of Paul B.
Christensen. Perhaps it's the British Cardiovascular Intervention
Society. Or perhaps it's the US Government department which now falls
under the banner of USCIS, but they failed to tell you of the name
change?
Which do you think?
None of the above, after all, you are a habitual liar.
Wrong again, Kilner. You really do know jack *****, don't you?
So you do work for one of them then.
Still wrong.
Now, here is a little lesson for you in the English language. I give
a list of companies/societies which you might possibly work for.
You ask me which I think, you work for to which I reply 'none of the
above'.
Don't lie, Kilner. Your exact words are quoted above:
"None of the above, after all, you are a habitual liar."
You then tell me I'm wrong.
You're wrong because I'm not a habitual liar.
Therefore you must work for one
of them, but you say no. Now, in normal English usage, that would
make one of your statements a lie. I'll let you decide which.
What do you know about "normal English usage", Kilner? Your native
language is yiddish. You learned English from a textbook.
My guess is the Building Cost
Information Service Ltd. You definitely aren't a lawyer or involved
in the law profession for you would have given some evidence at some
point in the past. You're not in the Cardiovascular Society and I'm
pretty sure the USCIS would not employ a Revd (real or imaginary) from
Ireland.
Keep guessing.
Given you just lied about this I don't think I'll bother.
Don't bother trying to think it through, Kilner. It'll only give you
a headache.
If you don't work for them, then why is it 'a clandestine operation
within BCIS' about which the employees have no knowledge, but you, a
non-employee seem to have intimate knowledge?
Those employees who are involved in the operation obviously do know
about it. This information occasionally gets leaked.
As I said before, even Microsoft doesn't leak that much information.
They would most certainly not leak that information to members of the
clergy in Ireland (real or fake). Unless of course it was a well
publicised leak in which case there would be far more people than just
you in the world who knew about it!
Many do. And now you do too.
Obviously not, I only have your word for it and I don't believe you at
all. Perhaps you could provide another source for your information.
We wouldn't want to have a 'Chinese Whisper' situation now would we.
You don't believe me? Then why are you engaging in conversation with
me?
I'm hoping above all hopes that for once you will provide a reference
to that which you claim is the truth.
Until you do likewise, why would I bother?
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On 27 Nov 2003 01:00:09 -0800, (James Kilner)
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rennegade@anggllican.org (The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fc4adeb.2430171@news.onetel.net.uk>...
On 26 Nov 2003 00:53:47 -0800, (James Kilner)
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On 20 Nov 2003 00:38:32 -0800, (James Kilner)
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(The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fbc011d.26702604@news.onetel.net.uk>...
On 19 Nov 2003 05:59:24 -0800, (James Kilner)
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(The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote in message news:<3fbb3d3f.17026133@news.onetel.net.uk>...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:31:24 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:09:58 GMT, (The Revd
Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 02:33:00 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:37:33 GMT, (The Revd
Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:37:37 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:55:15 GMT, (The Revd
Terence Fformby-Smythe) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:42:31 GMT, Brian Blank
<notalways@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:40:59 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:36:22 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
That was the fake. The following was the real statement:
So, the fake statement is on the official CoI web pages? Why?
Because the phony Revd forged the second statement.
No, you forged the first one.
So you say. And the last update to
http://ireland.anglican.org/navigation.html on October 19th, 2003
still disowns you. You still have a link all of your own there.
A hacker's work is never done.
You mean that the Rev. Michael Graham is unable to remove the link to
the disclaimer, in spite of his ringing endorsement of you?
Apparently. You can't expect a clergyman to be able to compete with
professional hackers.
Indeed, after all he simply maintains and updates the sites. He
obviously cannot remove the link when he updates the page. And I'm
sure that he has been unable for the last five months to work out a
way of getting the offending pages off his server.
So it appears. They don't teach this sort of thing in Departments of
Divinity (Pure or Applied).
So you admit you know nothing about it, or is this another of your
fantasy degrees?
Neither.
So you do know about hacking then? You'll have no problem in giving
precise details on some easy hacking 'holes' and countermeasures that
counteract those holes.
In your tunnel-visioned engineering mind there seem to be only two
possibilities: knowing nothing about hacking and knowing everything.
I didn't say you knew everything. Given you say you know something
about hacking (by your refutation of knowing nothing), I was simply
asking you to provide proof of your knowledge with regard to some easy
'holes'. I see elsewhere on this thread you have been a bit
'tunnel-visioned' yourself with regards to science-fiction. Sounds a
bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
It would do to you. You're a tunnel-visioned engineer.
Obviously. The great qualities about tunnel-vision is that it's very
easy to see lies when they present themselves.
On the contrary. The great disadvantage of tunnel vision is that is
prevents you from seeing the wider truth.
If only there were a wider truth to be seen. The fact remains that
you are a liar.
You are still not listed as being a member of the clergy in the
directory
http://ireland.anglican.org/dioceses/directory/parishes.asp?UtdDiocID=1
last update September 29th, 2003.
See above.
Yep, the site gets updated, yet you are never listed there. Your
previous excuse was that the site was not updated, i.e. was outdated.
That was when I'd recently joined. This was before the hacking
started.
Oh, I see. So now every time the directory is updated, instantly, the
site is hacked and your name is removed.
Apparently.
All very convenient. That someone would go to such lengths just to
discredit you is simply remarkable.
You don't seem to have any problem believing that the Church of
Ireland would go to the trouble of discrediting me, to the extent of
two web pages and an entry in the Gazette.
As I said, I've got an e-mail in my inbox from the office of
Archbishop Eames which clearly states that he knows nothing of you.
As you've said???? And what do we have to back this up apart from
the word of a lying jew?
Yes, as I said on another thread a while ago.
Repetition is supposed to bless your lies with some kind of
validity???
You seem to think it works.
Does it work for you?
Does your repetition of your lies convince me they are true? No.
Is your memory failing
you know as well?
In English please, Kilner.
Sorry, do you not recognise English anymore? Perhaps you should look
the words up in the dictionary. They're all there. The problem was a
grammatical one, the solution is to either remove the k from know or
to remove the word know completely.
The syntax was garbled. I assumed it was yiddish.
English is obviously not your native language else you would have
realised the simple mistake that was present and been able to
understand the sentence. The fact that you assumed it was yiddish
given there weren't any yiddish words in the sentence is rather
amusing though.
It was my contacting him in the first place that led Revd Graham to
post on usenet the disclaimer. Are you now suggesting that the
hackers got into the Archbishop's inbox and replied to me for the sole
purpose of discrediting you?
There is no such e-mail. There never was.
Why would I lie about such a thing.
Because you're a jew. It's what you people do!
And the 'genetic proof' of this is still being written up!
Indeed. The empirical evidence has been around for centuries. Only
now, with the latest advances in genetics, has the scientific proof
become attainable. As a tunnel-visioned engineer you should
appreciate that.
When can we expect to see this proof then? You seem to be the only
person who knows when and where it's being written.
The INS is unaware of the I-651 as it is a secret program that they
administer without knowing about it.
It is a clandestine operation within the BCIS. Those who need to
know, know. Those who don't, don't. For obvious reasons.
Naturally, and you are privy to this, presumably because you have a
need to know.
You just don't understand, do you?
Explain how you know a program which in your words "is a clandestine
operation within the BCIS. Those who need to know, know. Those who
don't, don't" if you don't have a need to know?
This only refers to BCIS employees. There, that wasn't too hard to
understand, was it?
So you work for the BCIS.
Do I?
You claim to have intimate knowledge of their operations. Even
Microsoft doesn't leak that much information.
How would you know?
As you've stated previously I'm just a sad engineer.
Precisely.
I spend my whole
days trawling the web looking for news items about Microsoft and their
inability to keep anything locked up.
What makes you think you're worth leaking something to?
The thing about leaks from Microsoft is that there are no boundaries
they cannot cross. The leaks you speak of seem to only get to you and
go no further. That, after all, is the only explanation as to why you
are the only person who knows about the 'expulsion' programme.
I have never claimed to be the only person to know about the expulsion
programme. Why are you lying again?
I never said you did claim to be the only person who knew about the
'expulsion' programme. You have yet to provide information about
anyone else who does know about the 'expulsion' programme and you have
certainly not provided any documentary evidence. Perhaps you should
read a little more carefully in future.
Now, is that the Building Cost Information
Service Ltd, or is it the Biodiversity Conservation Information
System. Or perhaps you work for the law office of Paul B.
Christensen. Perhaps it's the British Cardiovascular Intervention
Society. Or perhaps it's the US Government department which now falls
under the banner of USCIS, but they failed to tell you of the name
change?
Which do you think?
None of the above, after all, you are a habitual liar.
Wrong again, Kilner. You really do know jack *****, don't you?
So you do work for one of them then.
Still wrong.
Now, here is a little lesson for you in the English language. I give
a list of companies/societies which you might possibly work for.
You ask me which I think, you work for to which I reply 'none of the
above'.
Don't lie, Kilner. Your exact words are quoted above:
"None of the above, after all, you are a habitual liar."
You have once again failed to understand how conversations work in
English. I am well aware of what I stated. If you were able to
understand and communicate properly in English, you would realise that
'after all, you are a habitual liar' was not the main clause of the
sentence.
Therefore you must work for one
of them, but you say no. Now, in normal English usage, that would
make one of your statements a lie. I'll let you decide which.
What do you know about "normal English usage", Kilner? Your native
language is yiddish. You learned English from a textbook.
Not only are you able to read my mind, you are now able to tell me
where I learned English. What with your omnipresence, it's a wonder
that some secret service agency hasn't employed you to spy on people
you've never met.
If you don't work for them, then why is it 'a clandestine operation
within BCIS' about which the employees have no knowledge, but you, a
non-employee seem to have intimate knowledge?
Those employees who are involved in the operation obviously do know
about it. This information occasionally gets leaked.
As I said before, even Microsoft doesn't leak that much information.
They would most certainly not leak that information to members of the
clergy in Ireland (real or fake). Unless of course it was a well
publicised leak in which case there would be far more people than just
you in the world who knew about it!
Many do. And now you do too.
Obviously not, I only have your word for it and I don't believe you at
all. Perhaps you could provide another source for your information.
We wouldn't want to have a 'Chinese Whisper' situation now would we.
You don't believe me? Then why are you engaging in conversation with
me?
I'm hoping above all hopes that for once you will provide a reference
to that which you claim is the truth.
Until you do likewise, why would I bother?
I have provided many references to that which I claim is the truth,
the fact that you ignore them and claim that are not the truth is
neither here nor there. Now it's your turn to provide references.
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Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 22 Nov 2003 06:22:01 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
In your tunnel-visioned engineering mind there seem to be only two
possibilities: knowing nothing about hacking and knowing everything.
Back in the killfile, morphing idiot!
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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22 Nov 2003 12:08:25 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:09:12 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 22 Nov 2003 06:22:01 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
In your tunnel-visioned engineering mind there seem to be only two
possibilities: knowing nothing about hacking and knowing everything.
Back in the killfile, morphing idiot!
Go and write some more science fiction, *****.
BTW up yours.
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22 Nov 2003 05:49:45 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:08:25 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:09:12 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 22 Nov 2003 06:22:01 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
In your tunnel-visioned engineering mind there seem to be only two
possibilities: knowing nothing about hacking and knowing everything.
Back in the killfile, morphing idiot!
Go and write some more science fiction, *****.
Doing so. Got a contract the other day. Under my real name, for real
name. Pity you don't have anything to be proud of, so you have to
pretend to be something you aren't.
BTW up yours.
Sorry, I prefer men.
<plonk, yet again!>
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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23 Nov 2003 12:23:59 AM |
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:49:45 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:08:25 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:09:12 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 22 Nov 2003 06:22:01 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
In your tunnel-visioned engineering mind there seem to be only two
possibilities: knowing nothing about hacking and knowing everything.
Back in the killfile, morphing idiot!
Go and write some more science fiction, *****.
Doing so. Got a contract the other day. Under my real name, for real
name.
Is all your fiction as coherent as that?
Pity you don't have anything to be proud of, so you have to
pretend to be something you aren't.
You're actually proud of writing science fiction? What a fucking
retard!
BTW up yours.
Sorry, I prefer men.
I'm sure you do, ***** shirtlifter.
<plonk, yet again!>
Keep plonking, *****. The possibilities are endless.
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23 Nov 2003 11:26:00 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:23:59 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:49:45 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Pity you don't have anything to be proud of, so you have to
pretend to be something you aren't.
You're actually proud of writing science fiction? What a fucking
retard!
Of course! It's a tough market, and getting published is an
accomplishment. A very demanding audience who will check your facts
and gleefully point out any errors you make.
BTW up yours.
Sorry, I prefer men.
I'm sure you do, ***** shirtlifter.
Well, both men and women. Being bisexual doubles your chances, you
know.
(A real Brit wouldn't call me a cigarette, BTW.)
<plonk, yet again!>
Keep plonking, *****. The possibilities are endless.
Are you that desperate for my attention, dearie?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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23 Nov 2003 10:43:32 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:26:00 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:23:59 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
You're actually proud of writing science fiction? What a fucking
retard!
Of course! It's a tough market, and getting published is an
accomplishment. A very demanding audience who will check your facts
and gleefully point out any errors you make.
Published? I'm impressed. It IS a tough market.
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"If we really know Truth, we do not fear hearing falsehoods or half-truths; if we are not sure of the truth - we shudder and try to shout down every utterance." - A. J. Mims
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24 Nov 2003 02:06:36 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 04:43:32 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:26:00 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:23:59 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
You're actually proud of writing science fiction? What a fucking
retard!
Of course! It's a tough market, and getting published is an
accomplishment. A very demanding audience who will check your facts
and gleefully point out any errors you make.
Published? I'm impressed. It IS a tough market.
How can someone make factual "errors" in writing science fiction? The
whole thing is fictitious *****.
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24 Nov 2003 02:51:12 PM |
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In talk.atheism The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe <renneggadde@anglican.org> wrote:
: On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 04:43:32 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
: wrote:
:>On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:26:00 GMT, Douglas Berry
:><penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> posted in alt.atheism:
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:>>Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:23:59 GMT, a stranger
:>>called by some (The Revd Terence
:>>Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
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:>>>You're actually proud of writing science fiction? What a fucking
:>>>retard!
:>
:>>Of course! It's a tough market, and getting published is an
:>>accomplishment. A very demanding audience who will check your facts
:>>and gleefully point out any errors you make.
:>
:>Published? I'm impressed. It IS a tough market.
: How can someone make factual "errors" in writing science fiction? The
: whole thing is fictitious *****.
You're confusing science fiction with what you usually see in
the movies and on TV, which is science fantasy - a related but
different genre.
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24 Nov 2003 09:37:26 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:51:12 +0000 (UTC), a
stranger called by some Steve Mading <madings@baladi.bmrb.wisc.edu>
came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
You're confusing science fiction with what you usually see in
the movies and on TV, which is science fantasy - a related but
different genre.
There's a reason why many hard-sf fans will only watch Babylon 5.
They at least tried.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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24 Nov 2003 09:56:35 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:51:12 +0000 (UTC), Steve Mading
<madings@baladi.bmrb.wisc.edu> posted in alt.atheism:
You're confusing science fiction with what you usually see in
the movies and on TV, which is science fantasy
And that's only the better stuff.
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"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
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24 Nov 2003 09:55:32 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:06:36 GMT, (The Revd
Terence Fformby-Smythe) posted in alt.atheism:
How can someone make factual "errors" in writing science fiction?
By violating the rules of the science the story is based on, or by
violating reality
If you don't know how science fiction works you can't understand
that..
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"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
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24 Nov 2003 04:20:27 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:26:00 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:23:59 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:49:45 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Pity you don't have anything to be proud of, so you have to
pretend to be something you aren't.
You're actually proud of writing science fiction? What a fucking
retard!
Of course! It's a tough market, and getting published is an
accomplishment. A very demanding audience who will check your facts
and gleefully point out any errors you make.
It's fiction, you *****. There are no "facts".
BTW up yours.
Sorry, I prefer men.
I'm sure you do, ***** shirtlifter.
Well, both men and women. Being bisexual doubles your chances, you
know.
Of catching what?
(A real Brit wouldn't call me a cigarette, BTW.)
It's intended for an overseas audience. And you're thinking of "fag"
not "*****". Over here, a ***** is a savoury meat dish.
<plonk, yet again!>
Keep plonking, *****. The possibilities are endless.
Are you that desperate for my attention, dearie?
I'd hate to think my pearls of wisdom were failing to reach you.
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24 Nov 2003 01:16:49 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:20:27 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:26:00 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Of course! It's a tough market, and getting published is an
accomplishment. A very demanding audience who will check your facts
and gleefully point out any errors you make.
It's fiction, you *****. There are no "facts".
*science*-fiction. If I write a story where the action takes place in
Jupiter's leading Trojan point, I better have the distances and
everything right. Otherwise, someone will figure out my errors. Same
thing for historical fiction. If you write a storing about the battle
of Hastings and put the wrong historical figures there, or the wrong
weapons, people will notice.
Well, both men and women. Being bisexual doubles your chances, you
know.
Of catching what?
Hot, creamy, sweaty sex that leaves you near death and with a smile on
your face. The kind of sex that makes you so bloody happy about the
mutation that created sexual reproduction a few billion years ago..
Really Good Sex. It leaves you grinning for a week.
(A real Brit wouldn't call me a cigarette, BTW.)
It's intended for an overseas audience. And you're thinking of "fag"
not "*****". Over here, a ***** is a savoury meat dish.
Then I guess those BAOR troops, as well as my own family members from
Devon were wrong?
Are you that desperate for my attention, dearie?
I'd hate to think my pearls of wisdom were failing to reach you.
Poor little child..
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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25 Nov 2003 01:08:51 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:16:49 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:20:27 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:26:00 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Of course! It's a tough market, and getting published is an
accomplishment. A very demanding audience who will check your facts
and gleefully point out any errors you make.
It's fiction, you *****. There are no "facts".
*science*-fiction.
It's still fiction, penguin boy.
If I write a story where the action takes place in
Jupiter's leading Trojan point, I better have the distances and
everything right. Otherwise, someone will figure out my errors.
Who cares about details like that? It's fiction. Just like Doctor
Who's tardis.
Same thing for historical fiction. If you write a storing about the battle
of Hastings and put the wrong historical figures there, or the wrong
weapons, people will notice.
What exactly is "historical fiction"? Either it's history or it's
fiction!
Well, both men and women. Being bisexual doubles your chances, you
know.
Of catching what?
Hot, creamy, sweaty sex that leaves you near death and with a smile on
your face. The kind of sex that makes you so bloody happy about the
mutation that created sexual reproduction a few billion years ago..
Really Good Sex. It leaves you grinning for a week.
And, hopefully, diseased for a lifetime.
(A real Brit wouldn't call me a cigarette, BTW.)
It's intended for an overseas audience. And you're thinking of "fag"
not "*****". Over here, a ***** is a savoury meat dish.
Then I guess those BAOR troops, as well as my own family members from
Devon were wrong?
Nobody, repeat nobody, refers to a cigarette as a "*****" over here.
Are you that desperate for my attention, dearie?
I'd hate to think my pearls of wisdom were failing to reach you.
Poor little child..
Poor deluded little science fiction 'author'.
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25 Nov 2003 10:46:07 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:08:51 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:16:49 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindspring.com> wrote:
It's fiction, you *****. There are no "facts".
*science*-fiction.
It's still fiction, penguin boy.
Yup. But you write it in and around science. For example, right no
I'm reading Greag Bear's _Darwin's Radio_, which uses a great deal of
genetic theory as the basis of the story. I've met Greg, and we
talked about the research he did for the book. Evidently, the story
changed as he learned more. That's half the fun of writing SF. You
learn a lot!
If I write a story where the action takes place in
Jupiter's leading Trojan point, I better have the distances and
everything right. Otherwise, someone will figure out my errors.
Who cares about details like that? It's fiction. Just like Doctor
Who's tardis.
Dr. Who (which I love) is science-fantasy, and makes no claim to be
otherwise. In SF literature, people have higher standards. We are
expected to get the details right. In the above example, I better not
have Jupiter as a looming presence.. since the leading Trojans are
millions of km away from the planet. Jupiter will be a bright dot in
the sky. You do a little math and get the details right.
Same thing for historical fiction. If you write a storing about the battle
of Hastings and put the wrong historical figures there, or the wrong
weapons, people will notice.
What exactly is "historical fiction"? Either it's history or it's
fiction!
Ah, such a little mind..
The Horatio Hornblower novels by C.S. Forester are a good erxample.
Set against the backdrop of the Napoleonic Wars, the novels invent
characters and situations that take place against the real events of
the period. _The Doomsday Book_ by Connie Willis has a time traveller
in England at the start of the Black Death. All the historical
details are correct.
Then there's alternate history, where an important detail has changed.
A great example of this is Harry Turtledove's Great War/American
Empire decology. In this series, the Confederacy won the Civil War.
The first book covers the second war between the US and the CSA. Then
a Triology covers World War I in the Americas (Trench warfare in
Virginia!) The second covers the years between the wars, with the
rise of a Hitler-like figure in the deafeated South and the
disasterous administraions of Presidents Upton Sinclair and Hosea
Blackford in the United States (both real people)
That trilogy has just ended. The next will cover WWII.
Hot, creamy, sweaty sex that leaves you near death and with a smile on
your face. The kind of sex that makes you so bloody happy about the
mutation that created sexual reproduction a few billion years ago..
Really Good Sex. It leaves you grinning for a week.
And, hopefully, diseased for a lifetime.
Nope. Never had a STD in my life.
Then I guess those BAOR troops, as well as my own family members from
Devon were wrong?
Nobody, repeat nobody, refers to a cigarette as a "*****" over here.
Tell it to the British Army and my relatives.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| Title: Re: Those stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid Jews. |
25 Nov 2003 11:07:48 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:46:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:08:51 GMT, a stranger
called by some (The Revd Terence
Fformby-Smythe) came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:16:49 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindspring.com> wrote:
It's fiction, you *****. There are no "facts".
*science*-fiction.
It's still fiction, penguin boy.
Yup. But you write it in and around science. For example, right no
I'm reading Greag Bear's _Darwin's Radio_, which uses a great deal of
genetic theory as the basis of the story. I've met Greg, and we
talked about the research he did for the book. Evidently, the story
changed as he learned more. That's half the fun of writing SF. You
learn a lot!
If I write a story where the action takes place in
Jupiter's leading Trojan point, I better have the distances and
everything right. Otherwise, someone will figure out my errors.
Who cares about details like that? It's fiction. Just like Doctor
Who's tardis.
Dr. Who (which I love) is science-fantasy, and makes no claim to be
otherwise. In SF literature, people have higher standards. We are
expected to get the details right. In the above example, I better not
have Jupiter as a looming presence.. since the leading Trojans are
millions of km away from the planet. Jupiter will be a bright dot in
the sky. You do a little math and get the details right.
Same thing for historical fiction. If you write a storing about the battle
of Hastings and put the wrong historical figures there, or the wrong
weapons, people will notice.
What exactly is "historical fiction"? Either it's history or it's
fiction!
Ah, such a little mind..
The Horatio Hornblower novels by C.S. Forester are a good erxample.
Set against the backdrop of the Napoleonic Wars, the novels invent
characters and situations that take place against the real events of
the period. _The Doomsday Book_ by Connie Willis has a time traveller
in England at the start of the Black Death. All the historical
details are correct.
Except for the facts.
Then there's alternate history, where an important detail has changed.
A great example of this is Harry Turtledove's Great War/American
Empire decology. In this series, the Confederacy won the Civil War.
The first book covers the second war between the US and the CSA. Then
a Triology covers World War I in the Americas (Trench warfare in
Virginia!) The second covers the years between the wars, with the
rise of a Hitler-like figure in the deafeated South and the
disasterous administraions of Presidents Upton Sinclair and Hosea
Blackford in the United States (both real people)
That trilogy has just ended. The next will cover WWII.
Enough of your babbling already.
Hot, creamy, sweaty sex that leaves you near death and with a smile on
your face. The kind of sex that makes you so bloody happy about the
mutation that created sexual reproduction a few billion years ago..
Really Good Sex. It leaves you grinning for a week.
And, hopefully, diseased for a lifetime.
Nope. Never had a STD in my life.
You don't even know what you've got, shirtlifter.
Then I guess those BAOR troops, as well as my own family members from
Devon were wrong?
Nobody, repeat nobody, refers to a cigarette as a "*****" over here.
Tell it to the British Army and my relatives.
Why don't you tell them? They'll laugh in your face.
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