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"Bill Baker" |
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07 Dec 2005 05:44:44 AM |
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McCarthyism alive and well in 21st century America |
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=1108
In the summer of 1951, Senator Joe McCarthy's burgeoning red scare had
intimidated not just official Washington but the nation's media. Free
speech was taking a hit everywhere, but especially in McCarthy's home
state of Wisconsin, where the senator had been peddling his politics of
fear for years. It was in this context that John Patrick Hunter, a new
reporter for The Capital Times, a newspaper in Madison, Wisconsin that
had frequently tangled with McCarthy, was assigned to write a Fourth of
July feature story. Stuck for an idea, Hunter grabbed a copy of the
Declaration of Independence from the office wall, and said to himself,
"This is real revolutionary. I wonder if I could get people to sign it
now."
Hunter typed the preamble of the Declaration, six amendments from the
Constitution's Bill of Rights and the 15th amendment into the form of a
petition. Then, he headed to a park where families were celebrating the
Fourth. Of the 112 people he approached, 20 accused Hunter of being a
communist. Many more said they approved of sentiments expressed in the
petition but feared signing a document that might be used by McCarthy,
who frequently charged that signers of petitions for civil rights,
civil liberties or economic justice were either active Communists or
fellow travelers. Only one man recognized the historic words and signed
his name to the petition.
Hunter's petition drive became a national sensation. Time magazine, The
Washington Post and, of course, The Nation cited it as evidence of the
damage done by McCarthy and his 'ism to the discourse. President Harry
Truman called The Capital Times to praise the paper and cited Hunter's
article in a speech. Hunter and his colleagues on The Capital Times
would battle McCarthy for the next six years, gathering evidence of
wrongdoing and deception that would eventually embolden other
journalists and help shift the political climate sufficiently to permit
the Senate's censure of the red-baiting senator.
After McCarthy died in 1957, Hunter continued to champion the free
speech rights of civil rights activists, antiwar protesters and
anti-apartheid campaigners. Until his death this past November 26 at
age 87, he maintained that it was the job of journalists -- especially
those working on small-town and regional dailies far from Washington
and New York -- not merely to report the news, but also to defend
democracy and the liberties that underpin it. In his last years, Hunter
fretted that the consolidation and homogenization of media was robbing
the nation of maverick journalistic voices. And he worried a lot about
the state of our civil liberties.
Even as his health failed him, Hunter could be stirred to high passion
by the mention of Attorney General John Ashcroft's name. He despised
the Patriot Act, the internment of immigrants and other assaults on
individual liberty crafted by Ashcroft and his ilk in the aftermath of
the September 11, 2001 attacks. He even talked about dusting off his
1951 petition and taking it out on another July 4. "The thing is to
remind people that when these bastards take away anyone's freedom,
we're all threatened," Hunter told me a few months before he died. "In
the 1950s it was McCarthy. Now it's Ashcroft. Same fight."
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12 Dec 2005 10:47:43 AM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=1108
In the summer of 1951, Senator Joe McCarthy's burgeoning red scare had
intimidated not just official Washington but the nation's media. Free
speech was taking a hit everywhere, but especially in McCarthy's home
state of Wisconsin, where the senator had been peddling his politics of
fear for years. It was in this context that John Patrick Hunter, a new
reporter for The Capital Times, a newspaper in Madison, Wisconsin that
had frequently tangled with McCarthy, was assigned to write a Fourth of
July feature story. Stuck for an idea, Hunter grabbed a copy of the
Declaration of Independence from the office wall, and said to himself,
"This is real revolutionary. I wonder if I could get people to sign it
now."
Hunter typed the preamble of the Declaration, six amendments from the
Constitution's Bill of Rights and the 15th amendment into the form of a
petition. Then, he headed to a park where families were celebrating the
Fourth. Of the 112 people he approached, 20 accused Hunter of being a
communist. Many more said they approved of sentiments expressed in the
petition but feared signing a document that might be used by McCarthy,
who frequently charged that signers of petitions for civil rights,
civil liberties or economic justice were either active Communists or
fellow travelers. Only one man recognized the historic words and signed
his name to the petition.
Hunter's petition drive became a national sensation. Time magazine, The
Washington Post and, of course, The Nation cited it as evidence of the
damage done by McCarthy and his 'ism to the discourse. President Harry
Truman called The Capital Times to praise the paper and cited Hunter's
article in a speech. Hunter and his colleagues on The Capital Times
would battle McCarthy for the next six years, gathering evidence of
wrongdoing and deception that would eventually embolden other
journalists and help shift the political climate sufficiently to permit
the Senate's censure of the red-baiting senator.
After McCarthy died in 1957, Hunter continued to champion the free
speech rights of civil rights activists, antiwar protesters and
anti-apartheid campaigners. Until his death this past November 26 at
age 87, he maintained that it was the job of journalists -- especially
those working on small-town and regional dailies far from Washington
and New York -- not merely to report the news, but also to defend
democracy and the liberties that underpin it. In his last years, Hunter
fretted that the consolidation and homogenization of media was robbing
the nation of maverick journalistic voices. And he worried a lot about
the state of our civil liberties.
Even as his health failed him, Hunter could be stirred to high passion
by the mention of Attorney General John Ashcroft's name. He despised
the Patriot Act, the internment of immigrants and other assaults on
individual liberty crafted by Ashcroft and his ilk in the aftermath of
the September 11, 2001 attacks. He even talked about dusting off his
1951 petition and taking it out on another July 4. "The thing is to
remind people that when these bastards take away anyone's freedom,
we're all threatened," Hunter told me a few months before he died. "In
the 1950s it was McCarthy. Now it's Ashcroft. Same fight."
But Ashcroft is a mayor pretend of Washingtoon,
so it's far from the same fight as McCarthy
who was simply a deranged Chicago strong arm
greaseball for Walt Disney.
But like Ashcroft is a Warren Buffet lackey
who couldn't even keep GM open for buisness,
nevermind something like Boeing.
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| User: "tulle" |
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07 Dec 2005 06:14:30 AM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=3D1&pid=3D1108
In the summer of 1951, Senator Joe McCarthy's burgeoning red scare had
intimidated not just official Washington but the nation's media. Free
speech was taking a hit everywhere, but especially in McCarthy's home
state of Wisconsin, where the senator had been peddling his politics of
fear for years. It was in this context that John Patrick Hunter, a new
reporter for The Capital Times, a newspaper in Madison, Wisconsin that
had frequently tangled with McCarthy, was assigned to write a Fourth of
July feature story. Stuck for an idea, Hunter grabbed a copy of the
Declaration of Independence from the office wall, and said to himself,
"This is real revolutionary. I wonder if I could get people to sign it
now."
Hunter typed the preamble of the Declaration, six amendments from the
Constitution's Bill of Rights and the 15th amendment into the form of a
petition. Then, he headed to a park where families were celebrating the
Fourth. Of the 112 people he approached, 20 accused Hunter of being a
communist. Many more said they approved of sentiments expressed in the
petition but feared signing a document that might be used by McCarthy,
who frequently charged that signers of petitions for civil rights,
civil liberties or economic justice were either active Communists or
fellow travelers. Only one man recognized the historic words and signed
his name to the petition.
Hunter's petition drive became a national sensation. Time magazine, The
Washington Post and, of course, The Nation cited it as evidence of the
damage done by McCarthy and his 'ism to the discourse. President Harry
Truman called The Capital Times to praise the paper and cited Hunter's
article in a speech. Hunter and his colleagues on The Capital Times
would battle McCarthy for the next six years, gathering evidence of
wrongdoing and deception that would eventually embolden other
journalists and help shift the political climate sufficiently to permit
the Senate's censure of the red-baiting senator.
After McCarthy died in 1957, Hunter continued to champion the free
speech rights of civil rights activists, antiwar protesters and
anti-apartheid campaigners. Until his death this past November 26 at
age 87, he maintained that it was the job of journalists -- especially
those working on small-town and regional dailies far from Washington
and New York -- not merely to report the news, but also to defend
democracy and the liberties that underpin it. In his last years, Hunter
fretted that the consolidation and homogenization of media was robbing
the nation of maverick journalistic voices. And he worried a lot about
the state of our civil liberties.
Even as his health failed him, Hunter could be stirred to high passion
by the mention of Attorney General John Ashcroft's name. He despised
the Patriot Act, the internment of immigrants and other assaults on
individual liberty crafted by Ashcroft and his ilk in the aftermath of
the September 11, 2001 attacks. He even talked about dusting off his
1951 petition and taking it out on another July 4. "The thing is to
remind people that when these bastards take away anyone's freedom,
we're all threatened," Hunter told me a few months before he died. "In
the 1950s it was McCarthy. Now it's Ashcroft. Same fight."
Now its not only gays getting beat up. If you oppose ID, you get it
too.....
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Mirecki hospitalized after beating
By Ron Knox, Eric Weslander
Monday, December 5, 2005
Douglas County sheriff's deputies are investigating the reported
beating of a Kansas University professor who gained recent notoriety
for his Internet tirades against Christian fundamentalists.
Kansas University religious studies professor Paul Mirecki reported he
was beaten by two men about 6:40 a.m. today on a roadside in rural
Douglas County. In a series of interviews late this afternoon, Mirecki
said the men who beat him were making references to the controversy
that has propelled him into the headlines in recent weeks.
"I didn't know them, but I'm sure they knew me," he said.
Mirecki said he was driving to breakfast when he noticed the men
tailgating him in a pickup truck.
"I just pulled over hoping they would pass, and then they pulled up
real close behind," he said. "They got out, and I made the mistake
of getting out."
He said the men beat him about the upper body with their fists, and he
said he thinks they struck him with a metal object. He was treated and
released at Lawrence Memorial Hospital.
"I'm mostly shaken up, and I got some bruises and sore spots," he
said.
Douglas County Sheriff's Officials are classifying the case as an
aggravated battery. They wouldn't say exactly where the incident
happened, citing the ongoing investigation
The sheriff's department is looking for the suspects, described as
two white males between ages 30 and 40, one wearing a red visor and
wool gloves, and both wearing jeans. They were last seen in a large
pickup truck.
Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 843-TIPS or
the sheriff's office at 841-0007.
Mirecki recently wrote online that he planned to teach intelligent
design as mythology in an upcoming course. He wrote it would be a
"nice slap" in the "big fat face" of fundamentalists.
The remarks caused an uproar, Mirecki apologized, and KU announced last
week the class would be canceled.
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First they came for the homosexuals, and I said nothing.....
tulle
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| User: "Roy Boy" |
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07 Dec 2005 02:30:21 PM |
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"tulle" <tulle040657@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133957670.793211.193640@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Now its not only gays getting beat up. If you oppose ID, you get it
too.....
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Mirecki hospitalized after beating
By Ron Knox, Eric Weslander
Monday, December 5, 2005
Douglas County sheriff's deputies are investigating the reported
beating of a Kansas University professor who gained recent notoriety
for his Internet tirades against Christian fundamentalists.
Kansas University religious studies professor Paul Mirecki reported he
was beaten by two men about 6:40 a.m. today on a roadside in rural
Douglas County. In a series of interviews late this afternoon, Mirecki
said the men who beat him were making references to the controversy
that has propelled him into the headlines in recent weeks.
"I didn't know them, but I'm sure they knew me," he said.
Mirecki said he was driving to breakfast when he noticed the men
tailgating him in a pickup truck.
"I just pulled over hoping they would pass, and then they pulled up
real close behind," he said. "They got out, and I made the mistake
of getting out."
He said the men beat him about the upper body with their fists, and he
said he thinks they struck him with a metal object. He was treated and
released at Lawrence Memorial Hospital.
"I'm mostly shaken up, and I got some bruises and sore spots," he
said.
Douglas County Sheriff's Officials are classifying the case as an
aggravated battery. They wouldn't say exactly where the incident
happened, citing the ongoing investigation
The sheriff's department is looking for the suspects, described as
two white males between ages 30 and 40, one wearing a red visor and
wool gloves, and both wearing jeans. They were last seen in a large
pickup truck.
Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 843-TIPS or
the sheriff's office at 841-0007.
Mirecki recently wrote online that he planned to teach intelligent
design as mythology in an upcoming course. He wrote it would be a
"nice slap" in the "big fat face" of fundamentalists.
The remarks caused an uproar, Mirecki apologized, and KU announced last
week the class would be canceled.
Maybe Mirecki should of been carrying a gun if he is going to be making
statements that would cause people to want to beat him?
Was Mirecki gay? Did he oppose ID? Was he beat because he was gay or
because he said something that pissed people off? I ask this because you
start you story with the statement that you get beat up if you are gay or
oppose ID.
I do not know what you are talking about getting beat if you are gay, it is
the in thing to be gay today. On cable there is a gay channel and Bravo is
trying to become the second gay channel on cable. Every channel on TV has at
least one program that condones homosexual actions. Even Law and Order has
had characters that give the message that gay is OK.
I ask, do we need to have homosexual living played out on the screen or are
we going by the way of the Spartans. The Spartans encouraged their teens to
be homosexual to achieve traits take would make a great warrior society.
They archived this and ruled the world, but finally died out due to lack of
being able to bred offspring. In the end they were taken over by a small
army because their numbers had dwindled.
I see many young people doing the gay thing just to belong to a group. To be
accepted into this group all they have to do is have sex with someone of the
same sex. It may be hard at first, but becomes easier with time. If you talk
to the kid when first going to the group they will tell you the truth if
they are not ashamed of what they are doing. After a while they will give
the rhetoric of the group.
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08 Dec 2005 04:57:36 PM |
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"Roy Boy" <roy@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I do not know what you are talking about getting beat if you are gay, it
is the in thing to be gay today.
There are two active cases near where I live in south Alabama of two gay men
being beaten to death. The defendants in both cases have begun a "gay
panic" type defense. One of the victims was an 82 yr old man. What kind of
low life even has the nerve to claim that it was justified to beat an 82 yr
old man to death because they made an unwelcome pass at them? If that were
the case, all they had to do was laugh and walk away; and they could have
taken their time with that. Was an 82 yr old man going to chase them down
(yes them, there were two of them about 25 yrs old) and force himself on
them both? But it will work for them, and they will get greatly reduced
sentences. You have fundies preachers declaring from the pulpit that "gays
shall surely be put to death;" and it's really happening out there more and
more. Then juries let these murderers off with light sentences because
their preachers have taught them it is OK to hate gay people. This is the
third such case that I have seen in rural south Alabama in the past year;
second in the past two months.
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| User: "Roy Boy" |
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08 Dec 2005 08:32:26 PM |
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"Robin" <robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:7R2mf.69853$Y82.67425@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
"Roy Boy" <roy@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:TeOdnXWkTJ_K2wreRVn-sA@comcast.com...
I do not know what you are talking about getting beat if you are gay, it
is the in thing to be gay today.
There are two active cases near where I live in south Alabama of two gay
men being beaten to death. The defendants in both cases have begun a "gay
panic" type defense. One of the victims was an 82 yr old man. What kind
of low life even has the nerve to claim that it was justified to beat an
82 yr old man to death because they made an unwelcome pass at them? If
that were the case, all they had to do was laugh and walk away; and they
could have taken their time with that. Was an 82 yr old man going to
chase them down (yes them, there were two of them about 25 yrs old) and
force himself on them both? But it will work for them, and they will get
greatly reduced sentences. You have fundies preachers declaring from the
pulpit that "gays shall surely be put to death;" and it's really happening
out there more and more. Then juries let these murderers off with light
sentences because their preachers have taught them it is OK to hate gay
people. This is the third such case that I have seen in rural south
Alabama in the past year; second in the past two months.
If that is happening in South Alabama, then something has to be done in
South Alabama. I have only heard of a few so-called gay beatings or deaths
due to being gay in the last 15 years and some of them were suspected to be
a drug deal went bad.
As I said in my post before being gay seems to be a in-thing in the rest of
the US. Here in New Mexico there seems to be a lot of lesbians. I have
talked to a few that I have gotten to know and they also see being lesbian
like being in a sorority or a fad. They say the ***** is the real lesbian,
but the one that goes after the ***** and acts like a woman is not a true
lesbian, just a freak.
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| User: "Jenn" |
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08 Dec 2005 08:39:09 PM |
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In article <L82dnfGWC5IncQXenZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Roy Boy" <roy@comcast.net> wrote:
"Robin" <robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:7R2mf.69853$Y82.67425@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
"Roy Boy" <roy@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:TeOdnXWkTJ_K2wreRVn-sA@comcast.com...
I do not know what you are talking about getting beat if you are gay, it
is the in thing to be gay today.
There are two active cases near where I live in south Alabama of two gay
men being beaten to death. The defendants in both cases have begun a "gay
panic" type defense. One of the victims was an 82 yr old man. What kind
of low life even has the nerve to claim that it was justified to beat an
82 yr old man to death because they made an unwelcome pass at them? If
that were the case, all they had to do was laugh and walk away; and they
could have taken their time with that. Was an 82 yr old man going to
chase them down (yes them, there were two of them about 25 yrs old) and
force himself on them both? But it will work for them, and they will get
greatly reduced sentences. You have fundies preachers declaring from the
pulpit that "gays shall surely be put to death;" and it's really happening
out there more and more. Then juries let these murderers off with light
sentences because their preachers have taught them it is OK to hate gay
people. This is the third such case that I have seen in rural south
Alabama in the past year; second in the past two months.
If that is happening in South Alabama, then something has to be done in
South Alabama. I have only heard of a few so-called gay beatings or deaths
due to being gay in the last 15 years and some of them were suspected to be
a drug deal went bad.
As I said in my post before being gay seems to be a in-thing in the rest of
the US. Here in New Mexico there seems to be a lot of lesbians. I have
talked to a few that I have gotten to know and they also see being lesbian
like being in a sorority or a fad. They say the ***** is the real lesbian,
but the one that goes after the ***** and acts like a woman is not a true
lesbian, just a freak.
Good grief.... is it really almost 2006?
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08 Dec 2005 09:22:44 PM |
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Jenn wrote:
In article <L82dnfGWC5IncQXenZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Roy Boy" <roy@comcast.net> wrote:
As I said in my post before being gay seems to be a in-thing in the rest of
the US. Here in New Mexico there seems to be a lot of lesbians. I have
talked to a few that I have gotten to know and they also see being lesbian
like being in a sorority or a fad. They say the ***** is the real lesbian,
but the one that goes after the ***** and acts like a woman is not a true
lesbian, just a freak.
Good grief.... is it really almost 2006?
Sadly, yes. Roy Boy is trying to convince us that there's no such thing
as a demented homophobe by doing his best impersonation of a demented
homophobe. It's the media culture, dontcha know.
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08 Dec 2005 10:43:22 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:22:44 GMT, Malibu Skipper <mad@my.mama> wrote:
Sadly, yes. Roy Boy is trying to convince us that there's no such thing
as a demented homophobe by doing his best impersonation of a demented
homophobe. It's the media culture, dontcha know.
There is no phobia like the homosexual's fear of not getting their
way.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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09 Dec 2005 01:29:49 AM |
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wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:22:44 GMT, Malibu Skipper <mad@my.mama> wrote:
Sadly, yes. Roy Boy is trying to convince us that there's no such thing
as a demented homophobe by doing his best impersonation of a demented
homophobe. It's the media culture, dontcha know.
There is no phobia like the homosexual's fear of not getting their
way.
Unless it's the homophobe's fear of homosexuals getting their way.
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| User: "" |
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09 Dec 2005 09:18:28 PM |
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On 8 Dec 2005 23:29:49 -0800, "Bill Baker"
<wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
default@easynews.com wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:22:44 GMT, Malibu Skipper <mad@my.mama> wrote:
Sadly, yes. Roy Boy is trying to convince us that there's no such thing
as a demented homophobe by doing his best impersonation of a demented
homophobe. It's the media culture, dontcha know.
There is no phobia like the homosexual's fear of not getting their
way.
Unless it's the homophobe's fear of homosexuals getting their way.
Who said I was afraid of homosexuals. I sleep with them by the way!
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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11 Dec 2005 07:05:56 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:18:28 +0000, wrote in message
news:<p7ikp1hf8micehb5q28f0odpnesm6lpmlv@4ax.com>...
On 8 Dec 2005 23:29:49 -0800, "Bill Baker"
<wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:22:44 GMT, Malibu Skipper <mad@my.mama> wrote:
Sadly, yes. Roy Boy is trying to convince us that there's no such thing
as a demented homophobe by doing his best impersonation of a demented
homophobe. It's the media culture, dontcha know.
There is no phobia like the homosexual's fear of not getting their
way.
Unless it's the homophobe's fear of homosexuals getting their way.
Who said I was afraid of homosexuals. I sleep with them by the way!
Doesn't surprise me one bit.
--
Funny Lurlean quote #34:
"I hope a piece of the sun falls directly on Baghdad and burns it all up."
--Lurlean provides her own commentary to the lyrics "Re, a drop of golden sun"
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11 Dec 2005 01:11:19 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:05:56 GMT, Bill Baker
<wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:18:28 +0000, wrote in message
news:<p7ikp1hf8micehb5q28f0odpnesm6lpmlv@4ax.com>...
On 8 Dec 2005 23:29:49 -0800, "Bill Baker"
<wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:22:44 GMT, Malibu Skipper <mad@my.mama> wrote:
Sadly, yes. Roy Boy is trying to convince us that there's no such thing
as a demented homophobe by doing his best impersonation of a demented
homophobe. It's the media culture, dontcha know.
There is no phobia like the homosexual's fear of not getting their
way.
Unless it's the homophobe's fear of homosexuals getting their way.
Who said I was afraid of homosexuals. I sleep with them by the way!
Doesn't surprise me one bit.
Indeed! It fits the pattern.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Matty" |
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04 Jan 2006 01:25:18 AM |
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On 2005-12-09 17:43:22 +1300, said:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:22:44 GMT, Malibu Skipper <mad@my.mama> wrote:
Sadly, yes. Roy Boy is trying to convince us that there's no such
thing as a demented homophobe by doing his best impersonation of a
demented homophobe. It's the media culture, dontcha know.
There is no phobia like the homosexual's fear of not getting their
way.
What way?
If you're straight, and get a passed made, you should take it as a
compliment, if they approach you and ask, you can say, "na mate, I'm a
ladies man!" - and 99.999% of gays will leave it at that.
Matt
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04 Jan 2006 09:11:01 PM |
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On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:25:18 +1300, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
On 2005-12-09 17:43:22 +1300, said:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:22:44 GMT, Malibu Skipper <mad@my.mama> wrote:
Sadly, yes. Roy Boy is trying to convince us that there's no such
thing as a demented homophobe by doing his best impersonation of a
demented homophobe. It's the media culture, dontcha know.
There is no phobia like the homosexual's fear of not getting their
way.
What way?
<laughing at the default moron>
If you're straight, and get a passed made, you should take it as a
compliment, if they approach you and ask, you can say, "na mate, I'm a
ladies man!" - and 99.999% of gays will leave it at that.
Matt
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Fundies and trolls are urged to shove
a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed.
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09 Dec 2005 02:00:08 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:43:22 GMT, wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:22:44 GMT, Malibu Skipper <mad@my.mama> wrote:
Sadly, yes. Roy Boy is trying to convince us that there's no such thing
as a demented homophobe by doing his best impersonation of a demented
homophobe. It's the media culture, dontcha know.
There is no phobia like the homosexual's fear of not getting their
way.
Except, of course, the homophobe's fear that they might.
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04 Jan 2006 01:29:15 AM |
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On 2005-12-09 21:00:08 +1300, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> said:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:43:22 GMT, wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:22:44 GMT, Malibu Skipper <mad@my.mama> wrote:
Sadly, yes. Roy Boy is trying to convince us that there's no such
thing as a demented homophobe by doing his best impersonation of a
demented homophobe. It's the media culture, dontcha know.
There is no phobia like the homosexual's fear of not getting their
way.
Except, of course, the homophobe's fear that they might.
It would be nice to know what this 'way' is.
Matt
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04 Jan 2006 09:12:22 PM |
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On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:29:15 +1300, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
On 2005-12-09 21:00:08 +1300, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> said:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:43:22 GMT, wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:22:44 GMT, Malibu Skipper <mad@my.mama> wrote:
Sadly, yes. Roy Boy is trying to convince us that there's no such
thing as a demented homophobe by doing his best impersonation of a
demented homophobe. It's the media culture, dontcha know.
There is no phobia like the homosexual's fear of not getting their
way.
Except, of course, the homophobe's fear that they might.
It would be nice to know what this 'way' is.
The 'Way' is their yearnings to have a ***** up their arse and/or in
their mouths that they're constantly fighting.
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Fundies and trolls are urged to shove
a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed.
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08 Dec 2005 10:37:54 PM |
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On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:57:36 -0600, "Robin"
<robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
There are two active cases near where I live in south Alabama of two gay men
being beaten to death. The defendants in both cases have begun a "gay
panic" type defense. One of the victims was an 82 yr old man. What kind of
low life even has the nerve to claim that it was justified to beat an 82 yr
old man to death because they made an unwelcome pass at them? If that were
the case, all they had to do was laugh and walk away; and they could have
taken their time with that. Was an 82 yr old man going to chase them down
(yes them, there were two of them about 25 yrs old) and force himself on
them both? But it will work for them, and they will get greatly reduced
sentences. You have fundies preachers declaring from the pulpit that "gays
shall surely be put to death;" and it's really happening out there more and
more. Then juries let these murderers off with light sentences because
their preachers have taught them it is OK to hate gay people. This is the
third such case that I have seen in rural south Alabama in the past year;
second in the past two months.
Seem like the message you are attempting to put out is, " if you are a
queer in south Alabama you better not proposition a het." I suppose
you could claim some sort of public service recognition for that.
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09 Dec 2005 07:32:20 AM |
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<default@easynews.com> wrote in message
news:i92ip1ddgb53qs12e45445uvdm1aidblja@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:57:36 -0600, "Robin"
<robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
There are two active cases near where I live in south Alabama of two gay
men
being beaten to death. The defendants in both cases have begun a "gay
panic" type defense. One of the victims was an 82 yr old man. What kind
of
low life even has the nerve to claim that it was justified to beat an 82
yr
old man to death because they made an unwelcome pass at them? If that
were
the case, all they had to do was laugh and walk away; and they could have
taken their time with that. Was an 82 yr old man going to chase them down
(yes them, there were two of them about 25 yrs old) and force himself on
them both? But it will work for them, and they will get greatly reduced
sentences. You have fundies preachers declaring from the pulpit that
"gays
shall surely be put to death;" and it's really happening out there more
and
more. Then juries let these murderers off with light sentences because
their preachers have taught them it is OK to hate gay people. This is the
third such case that I have seen in rural south Alabama in the past year;
second in the past two months.
Seem like the message you are attempting to put out is, " if you are a
queer in south Alabama you better not proposition a het." I suppose
you could claim some sort of public service recognition for that.
So now we know what kind of scumbag condones the beating death of an 82 yr
old man.
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09 Dec 2005 10:47:28 AM |
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:32:20 -0600, "Robin"
<robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
<default@easynews.com> wrote in message
news:i92ip1ddgb53qs12e45445uvdm1aidblja@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:57:36 -0600, "Robin"
<robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
There are two active cases near where I live in south Alabama of two gay
men
being beaten to death. The defendants in both cases have begun a "gay
panic" type defense. One of the victims was an 82 yr old man. What kind
of
low life even has the nerve to claim that it was justified to beat an 82
yr
old man to death because they made an unwelcome pass at them? If that
were
the case, all they had to do was laugh and walk away; and they could have
taken their time with that. Was an 82 yr old man going to chase them down
(yes them, there were two of them about 25 yrs old) and force himself on
them both? But it will work for them, and they will get greatly reduced
sentences. You have fundies preachers declaring from the pulpit that
"gays
shall surely be put to death;" and it's really happening out there more
and
more. Then juries let these murderers off with light sentences because
their preachers have taught them it is OK to hate gay people. This is the
third such case that I have seen in rural south Alabama in the past year;
second in the past two months.
Seem like the message you are attempting to put out is, " if you are a
queer in south Alabama you better not proposition a het." I suppose
you could claim some sort of public service recognition for that.
So now we know what kind of scumbag condones the beating death of an 82 yr
old man.
No, you have yet to learn that your sucking another woman's ***** is
not sex. Since that's too difficult for you to comprehend you are no
where near capable of dealing with more complex issues like beating a
queer to death.
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09 Dec 2005 04:55:24 PM |
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<default@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gbdjp1lqitqrgqvq27q64eaqmldd2p66gk@4ax.com...
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:32:20 -0600, "Robin"
<robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
<default@easynews.com> wrote in message
news:i92ip1ddgb53qs12e45445uvdm1aidblja@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:57:36 -0600, "Robin"
<robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
There are two active cases near where I live in south Alabama of two gay
men
being beaten to death. The defendants in both cases have begun a "gay
panic" type defense. One of the victims was an 82 yr old man. What
kind
of
low life even has the nerve to claim that it was justified to beat an 82
yr
old man to death because they made an unwelcome pass at them? If that
were
the case, all they had to do was laugh and walk away; and they could
have
taken their time with that. Was an 82 yr old man going to chase them
down
(yes them, there were two of them about 25 yrs old) and force himself on
them both? But it will work for them, and they will get greatly reduced
sentences. You have fundies preachers declaring from the pulpit that
"gays
shall surely be put to death;" and it's really happening out there more
and
more. Then juries let these murderers off with light sentences because
their preachers have taught them it is OK to hate gay people. This is
the
third such case that I have seen in rural south Alabama in the past
year;
second in the past two months.
Seem like the message you are attempting to put out is, " if you are a
queer in south Alabama you better not proposition a het." I suppose
you could claim some sort of public service recognition for that.
So now we know what kind of scumbag condones the beating death of an 82 yr
old man.
No, you have yet to learn that your sucking another woman's ***** is
not sex.
So then you are saying that Clinton didn't lie when he said "I did not have
sex with that woman."
Since that's too difficult for you to comprehend you are no
where near capable of dealing with more complex issues like beating a
queer to death.
What is complex about two 25 yr old men beating an 82 yr old man to death?
It's murder, plain and simple.
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11 Dec 2005 07:35:08 PM |
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:55:24 -0600, "Robin"
<robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
<default@hotmail.com> wrote in message
(...)
Since that's too difficult for you to comprehend you are no
where near capable of dealing with more complex issues like beating a
queer to death.
They were frightened by his aggressive homosexual advances?
I imagine that they saw themselves as acting in self-defense...
Perhaps he was snapping his dentures at them. A desperate and
aggressive old queer with loose dentures has got to be enough to
frighten two young, naive men. perhaps there should be a law passed to
protect young Naive heterosexual men form old homosexuals. What do you
think?
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| User: "Matty" |
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04 Jan 2006 01:32:10 AM |
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On 2005-12-12 14:35:08 +1300, said:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:55:24 -0600, "Robin"
<robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
<default@hotmail.com> wrote in message
(...)
Since that's too difficult for you to comprehend you are no
where near capable of dealing with more complex issues like beating a
queer to death.
They were frightened by his aggressive homosexual advances? I imagine
that they saw themselves as acting in self-defense...
Perhaps he was snapping his dentures at them. A desperate and
aggressive old queer with loose dentures has got to be enough to
frighten two young, naive men. perhaps there should be a law passed to
protect young Naive heterosexual men form old homosexuals. What do you
think?
Oh, most definately, the 82 year old walking along with his zimmer
frame, with the occasional stop for a rest, clean of his glasses and
adjustment of his hearing aid - yeah, thats a weapon of mass
destruction to any young heterosexual male.
Matt
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04 Jan 2006 09:12:54 PM |
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On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:32:10 +1300, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
On 2005-12-12 14:35:08 +1300, said:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:55:24 -0600, "Robin"
<robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
<default@hotmail.com> wrote in message
(...)
Since that's too difficult for you to comprehend you are no
where near capable of dealing with more complex issues like beating a
queer to death.
They were frightened by his aggressive homosexual advances? I imagine
that they saw themselves as acting in self-defense...
Perhaps he was snapping his dentures at them. A desperate and
aggressive old queer with loose dentures has got to be enough to
frighten two young, naive men. perhaps there should be a law passed to
protect young Naive heterosexual men form old homosexuals. What do you
think?
Oh, most definately, the 82 year old walking along with his zimmer
frame, with the occasional stop for a rest, clean of his glasses and
adjustment of his hearing aid - yeah, thats a weapon of mass
destruction to any young heterosexual male.
RRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG
Matt
--
Fundies and trolls are urged to shove
a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed.
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11 Dec 2005 07:38:00 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:35:08 GMT,
wrote:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:55:24 -0600, "Robin"
<robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
<default@hotmail.com> wrote in message
(...)
Since that's too difficult for you to comprehend you are no
where near capable of dealing with more complex issues like beating a
queer to death.
They were frightened by his aggressive homosexual advances?
I imagine that they saw themselves as acting in self-defense...
Perhaps he was snapping his dentures at them. A desperate and
aggressive old queer with loose dentures has got to be enough to
frighten two young, naive men. perhaps there should be a law passed to
protect young Naive heterosexual men form old homosexuals. What do you
think?
I image that you have your ***** confused with a ***** boy!
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04 Jan 2006 01:32:53 AM |
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On 2005-12-12 14:38:00 +1300, said:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:35:08 GMT,
wrote:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:55:24 -0600, "Robin"
<robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
<default@hotmail.com> wrote in message
(...)
Since that's too difficult for you to comprehend you are no
where near capable of dealing with more complex issues like beating a
queer to death.
They were frightened by his aggressive homosexual advances? I imagine
that they saw themselves as acting in self-defense...
Perhaps he was snapping his dentures at them. A desperate and
aggressive old queer with loose dentures has got to be enough to
frighten two young, naive men. perhaps there should be a law passed to
protect young Naive heterosexual men form old homosexuals. What do you
think?
I image that you have your ***** confused with a ***** boy!
Pardon? what has that got to do with the price of fish from the black
sea in November?
Matt
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12 Dec 2005 10:12:12 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:38:00 GMT, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:35:08 GMT,
wrote:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:55:24 -0600, "Robin"
<robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
<default@hotmail.com> wrote in message
(...)
Since that's too difficult for you to comprehend you are no
where near capable of dealing with more complex issues like beating a
queer to death.
They were frightened by his aggressive homosexual advances?
I imagine that they saw themselves as acting in self-defense...
Perhaps he was snapping his dentures at them. A desperate and
aggressive old queer with loose dentures has got to be enough to
frighten two young, naive men. perhaps there should be a law passed to
protect young Naive heterosexual men form old homosexuals. What do you
think?
I image that you have your ***** confused with a ***** boy!
Another good question avoided.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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13 Dec 2005 12:15:02 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:12:12 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:38:00 GMT, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:35:08 GMT,
wrote:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:55:24 -0600, "Robin"
<robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
<default@hotmail.com> wrote in message
(...)
Since that's too difficult for you to comprehend you are no
where near capable of dealing with more complex issues like beating a
queer to death.
They were frightened by his aggressive homosexual advances?
I imagine that they saw themselves as acting in self-defense...
Perhaps he was snapping his dentures at them. A desperate and
aggressive old queer with loose dentures has got to be enough to
frighten two young, naive men. perhaps there should be a law passed to
protect young Naive heterosexual men form old homosexuals. What do you
think?
I image that you have your ***** confused with a ***** boy!
Another good question avoided.
Cowardly *****-fer-brains continues to project.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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12 Dec 2005 02:28:40 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:38:00 GMT, wrote:
Yes, and I have my ***** confused with a *****.
My homosexual father has always love me for that.
As a fallow-up --I have TWO fathers too!
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On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:30:21 -0700, "Roy Boy" <roy@comcast.net> wrote
in message <TeOdnXWkTJ_K2wreRVn-sA@comcast.com>
"tulle" <tulle040657@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Now its not only gays getting beat up. If you oppose ID, you get it
too.....
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Mirecki hospitalized after beating
By Ron Knox, Eric Weslander
Monday, December 5, 2005
Douglas County sheriff's deputies are investigating the reported
beating of a Kansas University professor who gained recent notoriety
for his Internet tirades against Christian fundamentalists.
Kansas University religious studies professor Paul Mirecki reported he
was beaten by two men about 6:40 a.m. today on a roadside in rural
Douglas County. In a series of interviews late this afternoon, Mirecki
said the men who beat him were making references to the controversy
that has propelled him into the headlines in recent weeks.
"I didn't know them, but I'm sure they knew me," he said.
Mirecki said he was driving to breakfast when he noticed the men
tailgating him in a pickup truck.
"I just pulled over hoping they would pass, and then they pulled up
real close behind," he said. "They got out, and I made the mistake
of getting out."
He said the men beat him about the upper body with their fists, and he
said he thinks they struck him with a metal object. He was treated and
released at Lawrence Memorial Hospital.
"I'm mostly shaken up, and I got some bruises and sore spots," he
said.
Douglas County Sheriff's Officials are classifying the case as an
aggravated battery. They wouldn't say exactly where the incident
happened, citing the ongoing investigation
The sheriff's department is looking for the suspects, described as
two white males between ages 30 and 40, one wearing a red visor and
wool gloves, and both wearing jeans. They were last seen in a large
pickup truck.
Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 843-TIPS or
the sheriff's office at 841-0007.
Mirecki recently wrote online that he planned to teach intelligent
design as mythology in an upcoming course. He wrote it would be a
"nice slap" in the "big fat face" of fundamentalists.
The remarks caused an uproar, Mirecki apologized, and KU announced last
week the class would be canceled.
Maybe Mirecki should of been carrying a gun if he is going to be making
statements that would cause people to want to beat him?
One needs to carry a gun to defend his right to free speech? Is this
how it works in Kansas, or is it true in all states with a large
fundamentalist following?
Was Mirecki gay? Did he oppose ID? Was he beat because he was gay or
because he said something that pissed people off? I ask this because you
start you story with the statement that you get beat up if you are gay or
oppose ID.
I thought it was obvious from the story. He was beaten because he
opposed Intelligent Design. Apparently this is enough to provoke
fundamentalists to violence in Kansas.
I do not know what you are talking about getting beat if you are gay, it is
the in thing to be gay today. On cable there is a gay channel and Bravo is
trying to become the second gay channel on cable. Every channel on TV has at
least one program that condones homosexual actions. Even Law and Order has
had characters that give the message that gay is OK.
It still happens. What's on the tube has no bearing on that fact,
unless it's preachers like Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, etc.,
actually inciting violence with their hateful rants.
I ask, do we need to have homosexual living played out on the screen or are
we going by the way of the Spartans. The Spartans encouraged their teens to
be homosexual to achieve traits take would make a great warrior society.
They archived this and ruled the world, but finally died out due to lack of
being able to bred offspring. In the end they were taken over by a small
army because their numbers had dwindled.
That's some history you have there. No mention of class mobility as a
factor at all.
I see many young people doing the gay thing just to belong to a group. To be
accepted into this group all they have to do is have sex with someone of the
same sex. It may be hard at first, but becomes easier with time. If you talk
to the kid when first going to the group they will tell you the truth if
they are not ashamed of what they are doing. After a while they will give
the rhetoric of the group.
Are you speaking from experience? Or is it third hand from some
religious tract?
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