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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Kurt Nicklas"
Date: 05 Jul 2007 06:55:49 PM
Object: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America
July 03, 2007
Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America
By Peter Barry Chowka
Part I
Michael Moore has described his new film Sicko as a "comedy," but
there's nothing funny about it. With its radical prescription for the
takeover of all of American health care by the federal government,
it's more like a tragedy -- a very dark tragedy that is guaranteed to
lead to an unhappy ending.
Sicko, which took in an estimated $4.5 million during its opening
weekend while garnering 91% positive critical reviews so far, is
emerging as an unlikely catalyst for the headiest of agendas: the
establishment of socialized medicine in the United States in the form
of single payer universal health care. Such a wholesale paradigm shift
in an area that comprises one-sixth of the nation's economy is
extremely dangerous, more than anything else facing the American
people today with the possible exception of another major terrorist
attack. If they are enacted, Moore's and his compadres' prescriptions
for American health care are sure to be deadly, not only to our
individual health but to our freedom, our autonomy, and our very way
of life.
The term "universal health care," reminiscent of Orwellian Newspeak,
is an attempt to give a more palatable name to a concept Americans
have always rejected: government-run or completely socialized
medicine. Some proponents argue on behalf of health care reform
"light," in which all residents are forced by law to pay for, and to
prove on demand that they have, conventional medical insurance offered
by private companies closely regulated by the state. Such a mandate
just went into effect statewide in Massachusetts on July 1, 2007.
Others advocate "single payer," in which private insurance companies,
and the desire and ability of people to pay for their own care
including out of their own pockets, are outlawed, replaced by a
socialist government bureaucracy that provides a uniform ("one size
fits all"), tightly regulated, and limited number of treatment options
for everyone.
Moore and the millions of people like him who believe in socialized
medicine usually deny that what they are proposing for the United
States is in fact socialized medicine. Finally, in a live interview on
Larry King Live on CNN on June 29, 2007, Moore used the "S" word. The
set up was a brief question near the end of the program from a woman
on the "King cam" who said she was concerned about soldiers coming
home from Iraq and Afghanistan, and if their medical needs would be
met-after which this exchanged occurred:
Moore: Oh boy, this is going to be a big problem.
King: They're covered, though, they're all, aren't they-
Moore: They're covered, but-well, they're covered, yes. The VA is
actually-it's a good system of socialized medicine-
King: That's what it is.
Moore: That's what it is.
It was telling that Moore smiled broadly when he said the Veterans
Administration was "a good system of socialized medicine."
....
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/medicine_at_gunpoint_the_sicko_1.html
.

User: "Americans For Truth George"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 05 Jul 2007 09:09:07 PM
"Kurt Nicklas" <nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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July 03, 2007
Medicine At Gunpoint:

Translation: I haven't seen the movie and I will kill myself if I ever have
to see anything but George Bush stuttering, again.
Did Bush fall down drunk (again), or did somebody smash him in the
face with a frying pan?
But check the bruise over Bush's left eye, as He stumbles through the
cover story for the deal He made so Scooter would never do time.
http://www.correntewire.com/did_bush_fall_down_drunk_again_or_did_somebody_punch_him_in_the_face
Bush was punched by Condi and fell off his boat drunk
.
User: "Mitchell Holman"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 05 Jul 2007 09:51:06 PM
"Americans For Truth" <George Wino@Crawfordl.net> wrote in
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"Kurt Nicklas" <nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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July 03, 2007
Medicine At Gunpoint:


Translation: I haven't seen the movie and I will kill myself if I ever
have to see anything but George Bush stuttering, again.

The outcry over the Reagan miniseries from conservatives
who never saw but demanded it be cancelled prior to airing
told us all we need to know about their level of objectivity.....
.
User: "News For Truth George"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 06 Jul 2007 09:42:03 AM
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"Americans For Truth" <George Wino@Crawfordl.net> wrote in
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"Kurt Nicklas" <nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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July 03, 2007
Medicine At Gunpoint:


Translation: I haven't seen the movie and I will kill myself if I ever
have to see anything but George Bush stuttering, again.



The outcry over the Reagan miniseries from conservatives
who never saw but demanded it be cancelled prior to airing
told us all we need to know about their level of objectivity.....

I saw the movie and there was really nothing offense except Reagan was
portrayed as slightly out of touch and oafish at times but the Neonuts felt
truth would hold back their worship services of Saint Ronnie.
.



User: "What, Me Worry?"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 06 Jul 2007 05:41:19 PM
"Kurt Nicklas" <nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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July 03, 2007
Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America
By Peter Barry Chowka
Part I

Michael Moore has described his new film Sicko as a "comedy," but
there's nothing funny about it.

No sense of humor - first clue...

With its radical prescription for the
takeover of all of American health care by the federal government,

BZZT! Wrong!!

it's more like a tragedy -- a very dark tragedy that is guaranteed to
lead to an unhappy ending.

BZZT! Wrong!!

Sicko, which took in an estimated $4.5 million during its opening
weekend while garnering 91% positive critical reviews so far

Gee, could the writer be a tad bit "out of step" with the vast majority of
Americans? Uh huh.

emerging as an unlikely catalyst for the headiest of agendas: the
establishment of socialized medicine in the United States in the form
of single payer universal health care.

Does he also refer to the fire department as the "Socialist Fire
Department?"
Are the roads repaired by Marxist/Socialist Road Workers?
How do these America-hating losers get through the day?

Such a wholesale paradigm shift
in an area that comprises one-sixth of the nation's economy is
extremely dangerous,

Only to corrupt money-grubbing corporate fat cats and their shareholders.
Everybody else will see a huge and immediate benefit.

more than anything else facing the American
people today with the possible exception of another major terrorist
attack.

*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac rightards.

If they are enacted, Moore's and his compadres' prescriptions
for American health care are sure to be deadly,

ROFLMAO!! Yeah, sure, healthcare is SO great in the US!
Go see the film, rightards. Then tell us all about how wonderful the US
system is - you know, the US healthcare system that is bankrupting entire
*states* and major corporations?

not only to our
individual health but to our freedom, our autonomy, and our very way
of life.

ROFLMAO! I wonder if these rightards realize how laughably melodramatic
their tired rhetoric is?

The term "universal health care," reminiscent of Orwellian Newspeak,

Or perhaps just an accurate description, since it will serve everyone
equally, just like the Constitution, and the post office, and the fire
department, etc.

is an attempt to give a more palatable name to a concept Americans
have always rejected: government-run or completely socialized
medicine.

You gotta love this rhetoric: "We reject it because we have always rejected
it." Oops, the author seems to be fresh out of arguments against universal
health coverage.

Some proponents argue on behalf of health care reform
"light," in which all residents are forced by law to pay for, and to
prove on demand that they have, conventional medical insurance offered
by private companies closely regulated by the state.

And many others reject it as flawed. "SiCKO" doesn't even discuss it.

Such a mandate
just went into effect statewide in Massachusetts on July 1, 2007.

OMG!! The commies have infiltrated!!

Others advocate "single payer," in which private insurance companies,
and the desire and ability of people to pay for their own care
including out of their own pockets, are outlawed,

HORSESHIT!
Were bookstores outlawed with the advent of public libraries?
Were commercial fire control systems outlawed when the public fire
departments began?
Was private savings outlawed when Social Security started?
BTW: Who "desires to pay out of their own pockets?" Have these people seen
how much a short hospital stay costs?

replaced by a
socialist government bureaucracy that provides a uniform ("one size
fits all"), tightly regulated,

Tightly regulated? That sounds like a very good start. It's a lack of
regulation that has gotten us into the mess we're currently in.
Bureaucracy? You mean like the SSA? They have a fantastic track record of
delivering Social Security and Medicare checks on time for what, like 60
years now? Sounds like heaven compared to days spent on hold waiting to
talk with a private insurance rep who just cancelled your policy because you
got sick.

and limited number of treatment options
for everyone.

There is *ALWAYS* a limited number of treatment options, regardless of who
pays for healthcare. Think about it.

Moore and the millions of people like him who believe in socialized
medicine usually deny that what they are proposing for the United
States is in fact socialized medicine.

If you keep saying "socalized" and "socialist," people might forget how
great it would be if they actually could easily afford high-quality
healthcare with ZERO CO-PAYS - EVER!!
Talk to GM about what universal health care could do for them. They're
about to go belly-up under the weight of healthcare premiums.
If you hate Americans so much that you want middle-America to go bankrupt,
and want your grandparents to eat dog food so they don't have to lose their
house, then keep the current system, which will bankrupt every state in the
Union, and the federal government in less than a decade. But you won't have
to worry about being like the French, will you?
.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 06 Jul 2007 06:37:34 PM
In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:41:19 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:

emerging as an unlikely catalyst for the headiest of agendas: the
establishment of socialized medicine in the United States in the form
of single payer universal health care.


Does he also refer to the fire department as the "Socialist Fire
Department?"

He should. Firefighting is socialized, just like police,
defense, and roads.

Such a wholesale paradigm shift
in an area that comprises one-sixth of the nation's economy is
extremely dangerous,


Only to corrupt money-grubbing corporate fat cats and their shareholders.
Everybody else will see a huge and immediate benefit.

Mmhmm. Jealous much?


more than anything else facing the American
people today with the possible exception of another major terrorist
attack.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac rightards.

*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac
socialists--that's what Moore does best.

The term "universal health care," reminiscent of Orwellian Newspeak,


Or perhaps just an accurate description, since it will serve everyone
equally, just like the Constitution, and the post office, and the fire
department, etc.

Equally bad.
Why do you hate self-ownership? Why do you hate individuality?
Why do you hate freedom? Why do you hate liberty? Why do you hate
anyone who has a penny more than you do? Why are you so jealous? Why
don't you know anything about economics?
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.
User: "What, Me Worry?"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 06 Jul 2007 06:52:22 PM
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:41:19 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:


emerging as an unlikely catalyst for the headiest of agendas: the
establishment of socialized medicine in the United States in the form
of single payer universal health care.


Does he also refer to the fire department as the "Socialist Fire
Department?"


He should. Firefighting is socialized, just like police,
defense, and roads.

Yet we still have plenty of capitalism don't we? Thanks for letting all of
the air out of the weak conservative rhetoric.

Such a wholesale paradigm shift
in an area that comprises one-sixth of the nation's economy is
extremely dangerous,


Only to corrupt money-grubbing corporate fat cats and their shareholders.
Everybody else will see a huge and immediate benefit.


Mmhmm. Jealous much?

I'm *envious* of the incalculable quality-of-life benefit that universal
health coverage offers to all people (regardless of their selfish, hoarding
greed or poverty) in *every other democratic, Western nation.* I'm so
envious, I'm trying to plan my next career move so I can live in one of
those lucky nations. I'm not getting any younger.

more than anything else facing the American
people today with the possible exception of another major terrorist
attack.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac rightards.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac
socialists--that's what Moore does best.

Really? Which part of SiCKO is "*****" and/or "pandering to paranoiacs?"

The term "universal health care," reminiscent of Orwellian Newspeak,


Or perhaps just an accurate description, since it will serve everyone
equally, just like the Constitution, and the post office, and the fire
department, etc.


Equally bad.

<rolls eyes> I see, we have yet another newly hatched libertarian who just
discovered Ayn Rand. You haven't had your ***** handed to you yet, have you?
Well, stick around and it won't be long before you do.

Why do you hate self-ownership? Why do you hate individuality?

LOL!!! What is "self ownership?"

Why do you hate freedom? Why do you hate liberty? Why do you hate
anyone who has a penny more than you do? Why are you so jealous? Why
don't you know anything about economics?

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!! Go little libertarian! Go! You've got the scent now,
boy!! Go get those socialists who want grandma and grandpa to get free
healthcare!!
.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 06 Jul 2007 07:35:57 PM
In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:52:22 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:


"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:41:19 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:


emerging as an unlikely catalyst for the headiest of agendas: the
establishment of socialized medicine in the United States in the form
of single payer universal health care.


Does he also refer to the fire department as the "Socialist Fire
Department?"


He should. Firefighting is socialized, just like police,
defense, and roads.


Yet we still have plenty of capitalism don't we?

Hampered, yes.

Such a wholesale paradigm shift
in an area that comprises one-sixth of the nation's economy is
extremely dangerous,


Only to corrupt money-grubbing corporate fat cats and their shareholders.
Everybody else will see a huge and immediate benefit.


Mmhmm. Jealous much?


I'm *envious*

I know. That's all socialism is--jealousy on a large scale.

more than anything else facing the American
people today with the possible exception of another major terrorist
attack.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac rightards.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac
socialists--that's what Moore does best.


Really? Which part of SiCKO is "*****" and/or "pandering to paranoiacs?"

All of it.


The term "universal health care," reminiscent of Orwellian Newspeak,


Or perhaps just an accurate description, since it will serve everyone
equally, just like the Constitution, and the post office, and the fire
department, etc.


Equally bad.


<rolls eyes> I see, we have yet another newly hatched libertarian

Nope. I've been an anarchocapitalist for about six years now.
And I do love your ad hominem fallacy. It's hilarious. As if saying
"Ayn Rand" is going to actually end the debate. That's the socialist's
Godwin.

Why do you hate self-ownership? Why do you hate individuality?


LOL!!! What is "self ownership?"

Self-ownership.


Why do you hate freedom? Why do you hate liberty? Why do you hate
anyone who has a penny more than you do? Why are you so jealous? Why
don't you know anything about economics?


BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Go little socialist! Go! You've got the
scent now! Go get those people who have a penny more than you! Tear
them apart, you jealous little socialist! Take them down! Don't let
them have anything more than you do! Destroy them! Use your jealousy!
Hate them with all you have!
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.
User: "Mitchell Holman"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 06 Jul 2007 09:42:52 PM
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:ppnt83t6kucg02hh67jisrrnmfntqcfcs6@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:52:22 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:


"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:0ekt83l10o990578892knssh0kfs3dsdpb@4ax.com...

In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:41:19 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:


emerging as an unlikely catalyst for the headiest of agendas: the
establishment of socialized medicine in the United States in the
form of single payer universal health care.


Does he also refer to the fire department as the "Socialist Fire
Department?"


He should. Firefighting is socialized, just like police,
defense, and roads.


Yet we still have plenty of capitalism don't we?


Hampered, yes.


Such a wholesale paradigm shift
in an area that comprises one-sixth of the nation's economy is
extremely dangerous,


Only to corrupt money-grubbing corporate fat cats and their
shareholders. Everybody else will see a huge and immediate benefit.


Mmhmm. Jealous much?


I'm *envious*


I know. That's all socialism is--jealousy on a large scale.


more than anything else facing the American
people today with the possible exception of another major terrorist
attack.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac rightards.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac
socialists--that's what Moore does best.


Really? Which part of SiCKO is "*****" and/or "pandering to
paranoiacs?"


All of it.

Does that include the part where the woman was
denied coverage for her ambulance trip to the hospital
because it wasn't "pre-approved"?

.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 06 Jul 2007 10:48:44 PM
In alt.atheism On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:42:52 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<Noemail@comcast.com> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:ppnt83t6kucg02hh67jisrrnmfntqcfcs6@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:52:22 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:


"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:0ekt83l10o990578892knssh0kfs3dsdpb@4ax.com...

In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:41:19 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:


emerging as an unlikely catalyst for the headiest of agendas: the
establishment of socialized medicine in the United States in the
form of single payer universal health care.


Does he also refer to the fire department as the "Socialist Fire
Department?"


He should. Firefighting is socialized, just like police,
defense, and roads.


Yet we still have plenty of capitalism don't we?


Hampered, yes.


Such a wholesale paradigm shift
in an area that comprises one-sixth of the nation's economy is
extremely dangerous,


Only to corrupt money-grubbing corporate fat cats and their
shareholders. Everybody else will see a huge and immediate benefit.


Mmhmm. Jealous much?


I'm *envious*


I know. That's all socialism is--jealousy on a large scale.


more than anything else facing the American
people today with the possible exception of another major terrorist
attack.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac rightards.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac
socialists--that's what Moore does best.


Really? Which part of SiCKO is "*****" and/or "pandering to
paranoiacs?"


All of it.

Does that include the part where the woman was
denied coverage for her ambulance trip to the hospital
because it wasn't "pre-approved"?

Yes.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.
User: "Mitchell Holman"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 06 Jul 2007 11:27:23 PM
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:883u831dppnl29br4licrg6p9q0ueo2l1f@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:42:52 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<Noemail@comcast.com> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:ppnt83t6kucg02hh67jisrrnmfntqcfcs6@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:52:22 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:


"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:0ekt83l10o990578892knssh0kfs3dsdpb@4ax.com...

In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:41:19 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:


emerging as an unlikely catalyst for the headiest of agendas: the
establishment of socialized medicine in the United States in the
form of single payer universal health care.


Does he also refer to the fire department as the "Socialist Fire
Department?"


He should. Firefighting is socialized, just like police,
defense, and roads.


Yet we still have plenty of capitalism don't we?


Hampered, yes.


Such a wholesale paradigm shift
in an area that comprises one-sixth of the nation's economy is
extremely dangerous,


Only to corrupt money-grubbing corporate fat cats and their
shareholders. Everybody else will see a huge and immediate benefit.


Mmhmm. Jealous much?


I'm *envious*


I know. That's all socialism is--jealousy on a large scale.


more than anything else facing the American
people today with the possible exception of another major terrorist
attack.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac rightards.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac
socialists--that's what Moore does best.


Really? Which part of SiCKO is "*****" and/or "pandering to
paranoiacs?"


All of it.


Does that include the part where the woman was
denied coverage for her ambulance trip to the hospital
because it wasn't "pre-approved"?


Yes.

Have you always been such a craven apologist
for Big Insurance?
.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 07 Jul 2007 07:00:11 AM
In alt.atheism On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:27:23 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<Noemail@comcast.com> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:883u831dppnl29br4licrg6p9q0ueo2l1f@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:42:52 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<Noemail@comcast.com> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:ppnt83t6kucg02hh67jisrrnmfntqcfcs6@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:52:22 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:


"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:0ekt83l10o990578892knssh0kfs3dsdpb@4ax.com...

In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:41:19 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:


emerging as an unlikely catalyst for the headiest of agendas: the
establishment of socialized medicine in the United States in the
form of single payer universal health care.


Does he also refer to the fire department as the "Socialist Fire
Department?"


He should. Firefighting is socialized, just like police,
defense, and roads.


Yet we still have plenty of capitalism don't we?


Hampered, yes.


Such a wholesale paradigm shift
in an area that comprises one-sixth of the nation's economy is
extremely dangerous,


Only to corrupt money-grubbing corporate fat cats and their
shareholders. Everybody else will see a huge and immediate benefit.


Mmhmm. Jealous much?


I'm *envious*


I know. That's all socialism is--jealousy on a large scale.


more than anything else facing the American
people today with the possible exception of another major terrorist
attack.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac rightards.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac
socialists--that's what Moore does best.


Really? Which part of SiCKO is "*****" and/or "pandering to
paranoiacs?"


All of it.


Does that include the part where the woman was
denied coverage for her ambulance trip to the hospital
because it wasn't "pre-approved"?


Yes.


Have you always been such a craven apologist
for Big Insurance?

Have you always been such a craven apologist for atavistic
jealousy?
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.
User: "Mitchell Holman"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 07 Jul 2007 07:25:20 AM
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:l10v831s3ob9brlkstbvp3bcigblf8gnsn@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:27:23 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<Noemail@comcast.com> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:883u831dppnl29br4licrg6p9q0ueo2l1f@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:42:52 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<Noemail@comcast.com> let us all know that:

Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in
news:ppnt83t6kucg02hh67jisrrnmfntqcfcs6@4ax.com:

In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:52:22 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:


"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:0ekt83l10o990578892knssh0kfs3dsdpb@4ax.com...

In alt.atheism On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:41:19 -0500, "What, Me Worry?"
<__@____.___> let us all know that:


emerging as an unlikely catalyst for the headiest of agendas: the
establishment of socialized medicine in the United States in the
form of single payer universal health care.


Does he also refer to the fire department as the "Socialist Fire
Department?"


He should. Firefighting is socialized, just like police,
defense, and roads.


Yet we still have plenty of capitalism don't we?


Hampered, yes.


Such a wholesale paradigm shift
in an area that comprises one-sixth of the nation's economy is
extremely dangerous,


Only to corrupt money-grubbing corporate fat cats and their
shareholders. Everybody else will see a huge and immediate benefit.


Mmhmm. Jealous much?


I'm *envious*


I know. That's all socialism is--jealousy on a large scale.


more than anything else facing the American
people today with the possible exception of another major

terrorist

attack.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac rightards.


*****, fearmongering, pandering to ignorant paranoiac
socialists--that's what Moore does best.


Really? Which part of SiCKO is "*****" and/or "pandering to
paranoiacs?"


All of it.


Does that include the part where the woman was
denied coverage for her ambulance trip to the hospital
because it wasn't "pre-approved"?


Yes.


Have you always been such a craven apologist
for Big Insurance?


Have you always been such a craven apologist for atavistic
jealousy?

Being denied coverage for the insurance you
pay for is "atavistic jealosy"?
.





User: "raven1"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 06 Jul 2007 08:58:23 PM
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:35:57 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Go little socialist! Go! You've got the
scent now! Go get those people who have a penny more than you! Tear
them apart, you jealous little socialist! Take them down! Don't let
them have anything more than you do! Destroy them! Use your jealousy!
Hate them with all you have!

Wow, you really are a fucking loon, Don. Get help.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
.


User: "Sean C"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 07 Jul 2007 01:37:12 AM
In article <3P6dnc47eKAoSBPbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@insightbb.com>, What, Me
Worry? <__@____.___> wrote:

Why do you hate self-ownership? Why do you hate individuality?


LOL!!! What is "self ownership?"

To libertarians, you are a piece of property which "owns" itself but
must rent itself out to the highest bidder to survive. Your new owner
then gets to use and dispose of the property he is renting as he
wishes. This is called "freedom." Any attempt to deny your owners the
right to use you as a piece of property in any way they see fit, such
as through labor unions, minimum wage or worker safety laws, is called
"socialism."
This is all you need to know to understand libertarianism.
Or not...
--Sean C
.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 07 Jul 2007 07:01:36 AM
In alt.atheism On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:37:12 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <3P6dnc47eKAoSBPbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@insightbb.com>, What, Me
Worry? <__@____.___> wrote:


Why do you hate self-ownership? Why do you hate individuality?


LOL!!! What is "self ownership?"


To libertarians, you are a piece of property which "owns" itself but
must rent itself out to the highest bidder to survive.

Only if you believe that tosswad marxist nonsense. Silly
marxists like you actually believe that valuation is something
objective--as if you really can measure if coke is better than pepsi
definitively, rather than the subjective preference that it is.
That's all you need to know about the lunacy that is marxism.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.
User: "Sean C"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 07 Jul 2007 12:39:20 PM
In article <i20v83pr31epfnh8585nkncg8l0j9u1phr@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:37:12 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <3P6dnc47eKAoSBPbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@insightbb.com>, What, Me
Worry? <__@____.___> wrote:


Why do you hate self-ownership? Why do you hate individuality?


LOL!!! What is "self ownership?"


To libertarians, you are a piece of property which "owns" itself but
must rent itself out to the highest bidder to survive.


Only if you believe that tosswad marxist nonsense. Silly
marxists like you actually believe that valuation is something
objective--as if you really can measure if coke is better than pepsi
definitively, rather than the subjective preference that it is.

That's all you need to know about the lunacy that is marxism.

HO! <Whack!>
--Sean C
.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 07 Jul 2007 07:30:54 PM
In alt.atheism On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:39:20 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <i20v83pr31epfnh8585nkncg8l0j9u1phr@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:37:12 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <3P6dnc47eKAoSBPbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@insightbb.com>, What, Me
Worry? <__@____.___> wrote:


Why do you hate self-ownership? Why do you hate individuality?


LOL!!! What is "self ownership?"


To libertarians, you are a piece of property which "owns" itself but
must rent itself out to the highest bidder to survive.


Only if you believe that tosswad marxist nonsense. Silly
marxists like you actually believe that valuation is something
objective--as if you really can measure if coke is better than pepsi
definitively, rather than the subjective preference that it is.

That's all you need to know about the lunacy that is marxism.


HO! <Whack!>

HO! <Whack!>
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.
User: "Sean C"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 08 Jul 2007 03:55:07 PM
In article <k1c09353me76bbtvo97ef1hbo3rnnckjdh@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:39:20 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <i20v83pr31epfnh8585nkncg8l0j9u1phr@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:37:12 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <3P6dnc47eKAoSBPbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@insightbb.com>, What, Me
Worry? <__@____.___> wrote:


Why do you hate self-ownership? Why do you hate individuality?


LOL!!! What is "self ownership?"


To libertarians, you are a piece of property which "owns" itself but
must rent itself out to the highest bidder to survive.


Only if you believe that tosswad marxist nonsense. Silly
marxists like you actually believe that valuation is something
objective--as if you really can measure if coke is better than pepsi
definitively, rather than the subjective preference that it is.

That's all you need to know about the lunacy that is marxism.


HO! <Whack!>


HO! <Whack!>

HO! <Whack!> <Crack!>
Damn, you broke my Bo stick! I will need a thicker stick to penetrate
that skull. Do they make Bo baseball bats?
--Sean C
.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 08 Jul 2007 04:26:39 PM
In alt.atheism On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:55:07 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <k1c09353me76bbtvo97ef1hbo3rnnckjdh@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:39:20 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <i20v83pr31epfnh8585nkncg8l0j9u1phr@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:37:12 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <3P6dnc47eKAoSBPbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@insightbb.com>, What, Me
Worry? <__@____.___> wrote:


Why do you hate self-ownership? Why do you hate individuality?


LOL!!! What is "self ownership?"


To libertarians, you are a piece of property which "owns" itself but
must rent itself out to the highest bidder to survive.


Only if you believe that tosswad marxist nonsense. Silly
marxists like you actually believe that valuation is something
objective--as if you really can measure if coke is better than pepsi
definitively, rather than the subjective preference that it is.

That's all you need to know about the lunacy that is marxism.


HO! <Whack!>


HO! <Whack!>


HO! <Whack!> <Crack!>

HO! <Whack!> <WHACK!>
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.


User: "raven1"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 08 Jul 2007 11:15:04 AM
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:30:54 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:39:20 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <i20v83pr31epfnh8585nkncg8l0j9u1phr@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:37:12 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <3P6dnc47eKAoSBPbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@insightbb.com>, What, Me
Worry? <__@____.___> wrote:


Why do you hate self-ownership? Why do you hate individuality?


LOL!!! What is "self ownership?"


To libertarians, you are a piece of property which "owns" itself but
must rent itself out to the highest bidder to survive.


Only if you believe that tosswad marxist nonsense. Silly
marxists like you actually believe that valuation is something
objective--as if you really can measure if coke is better than pepsi
definitively, rather than the subjective preference that it is.

That's all you need to know about the lunacy that is marxism.


HO! <Whack!>


HO! <Whack!>

LOL! I wonder if Don realizes that I'm the one who came up with that
response in the first place...
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
.


User: "raven1"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 07 Jul 2007 01:30:47 PM
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:39:20 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> wrote:

In article <i20v83pr31epfnh8585nkncg8l0j9u1phr@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:37:12 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <3P6dnc47eKAoSBPbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@insightbb.com>, What, Me
Worry? <__@____.___> wrote:


Why do you hate self-ownership? Why do you hate individuality?


LOL!!! What is "self ownership?"


To libertarians, you are a piece of property which "owns" itself but
must rent itself out to the highest bidder to survive.


Only if you believe that tosswad marxist nonsense. Silly
marxists like you actually believe that valuation is something
objective--as if you really can measure if coke is better than pepsi
definitively, rather than the subjective preference that it is.

That's all you need to know about the lunacy that is marxism.


HO! <Whack!>

ROTFLMFAO!
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
.
User: "Sean C"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 08 Jul 2007 03:51:58 PM
In article <0umv83dvd11gsqpnqf5h8k8hqsigctet3k@4ax.com>, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:39:20 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> wrote:

To libertarians, you are a piece of property which "owns" itself but
must rent itself out to the highest bidder to survive.


Only if you believe that tosswad marxist nonsense. Silly
marxists like you actually believe that valuation is something
objective--as if you really can measure if coke is better than pepsi
definitively, rather than the subjective preference that it is.

That's all you need to know about the lunacy that is marxism.


HO! <Whack!>


ROTFLMFAO!

LOL. Thought you'd like that. Who knew such a simple Zen technique
would prove so (hilariously) effective--and in an atheist group, no
less. Thank you, Roshi Raven, for sharing the dharma with us. I expect
to see the Bo stick becoming a regular weapon of enlightenment in
alt.atheism from now on.
--Sean C
.
User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 08 Jul 2007 04:27:13 PM
In alt.atheism On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:51:58 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <0umv83dvd11gsqpnqf5h8k8hqsigctet3k@4ax.com>, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:39:20 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> wrote:


To libertarians, you are a piece of property which "owns" itself but
must rent itself out to the highest bidder to survive.


Only if you believe that tosswad marxist nonsense. Silly
marxists like you actually believe that valuation is something
objective--as if you really can measure if coke is better than pepsi
definitively, rather than the subjective preference that it is.

That's all you need to know about the lunacy that is marxism.


HO! <Whack!>


ROTFLMFAO!


LOL. Thought you'd like that. Who knew such a simple Zen technique
would prove so (hilariously) effective--and in an atheist group, no
less. Thank you, Roshi Raven, for sharing the dharma with us. I expect
to see the Bo stick becoming a regular weapon of enlightenment in
alt.atheism from now on.

HO! <Whack!>
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.




User: "raven1"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 07 Jul 2007 07:44:49 AM
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 07:01:36 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:37:12 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> let us all know that:

In article <3P6dnc47eKAoSBPbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@insightbb.com>, What, Me
Worry? <__@____.___> wrote:


Why do you hate self-ownership? Why do you hate individuality?


LOL!!! What is "self ownership?"


To libertarians, you are a piece of property which "owns" itself but
must rent itself out to the highest bidder to survive.


Only if you believe that tosswad marxist nonsense. Silly
marxists like you actually believe that valuation is something
objective--as if you really can measure if coke is better than pepsi
definitively, rather than the subjective preference that it is.

What the hell does this have to do with anything Sean said?

That's all you need to know about the lunacy that is marxism.

Your penchant for bizarre Non Sequitur responses borders on lunacy.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
.






User: "towelie"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 06 Jul 2007 12:03:20 AM
Kurt Nicklas wrote:

Michael Moore has described his new film Sicko as a "comedy," but
there's nothing funny about it. With its radical prescription for the
takeover of all of American health care by the federal government,
it's more like a tragedy -- a very dark tragedy that is guaranteed to
lead to an unhappy ending.

But I thought this was America. The country that used to have the attitude
that it could do anything, and do it better than any other country on the
planet. That attitude was a bit arrogant, but it made the country
competitive. That attitude is obviously gone from the current crop of
Repubs. Maybe that's why the country is in the shitter these days, because
we've lost our competitive edge.
.

User: "Michael Ejercito"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 05 Jul 2007 09:15:42 PM
On Jul 5, 4:55 pm, Kurt Nicklas <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

July 03, 2007
Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America
By Peter Barry Chowka
Part I

Michael Moore has described his new film Sicko as a "comedy," but
there's nothing funny about it. With its radical prescription for the
takeover of all of American health care by the federal government,
it's more like a tragedy -- a very dark tragedy that is guaranteed to
lead to an unhappy ending.

I would not have a problem with state or national health insurance
program that was voluntary and funded entirely by those who choose to
enroll in such programs.
That written, I have read posts from people who hate the idea of a
voluntary, government-managed plan, as they somehow claim that
national health insurance does not work if people can choose to get
it.
Michael
.
User: "Mitchell Holman"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 05 Jul 2007 09:49:17 PM
Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1183688142.060794.187040@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com:

On Jul 5, 4:55 pm, Kurt Nicklas <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

July 03, 2007
Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America
By Peter Barry Chowka
Part I

Michael Moore has described his new film Sicko as a "comedy," but
there's nothing funny about it. With its radical prescription for the
takeover of all of American health care by the federal government,
it's more like a tragedy -- a very dark tragedy that is guaranteed to
lead to an unhappy ending.

I would not have a problem with state or national health insurance
program that was voluntary and funded entirely by those who choose to
enroll in such programs.

Does that mean you object to the VA hospital system
since it is funded by people who didn't choose to enroll
in it, and indeed cannot benefit from it?
.
User: "What, Me Worry?"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 06 Jul 2007 01:12:57 AM
"Mitchell Holman" <Noemail@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9964DDFCB557Ata2eene2@216.196.97.131...

Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1183688142.060794.187040@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com:

On Jul 5, 4:55 pm, Kurt Nicklas <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

July 03, 2007
Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America
By Peter Barry Chowka
Part I

Michael Moore has described his new film Sicko as a "comedy," but
there's nothing funny about it. With its radical prescription for the
takeover of all of American health care by the federal government,
it's more like a tragedy -- a very dark tragedy that is guaranteed to
lead to an unhappy ending.

I would not have a problem with state or national health insurance
program that was voluntary and funded entirely by those who choose to
enroll in such programs.



Does that mean you object to the VA hospital system
since it is funded by people who didn't choose to enroll
in it, and indeed cannot benefit from it?

Uh oh. I think you ruined Miguel's whole day.
.
User: "Michael Ejercito"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 06 Jul 2007 03:51:26 AM
On Jul 5, 11:12 pm, "What, Me Worry?" <__@____.___> wrote:

"Mitchell Holman" <Noem...@comcast.com> wrote in message

news:Xns9964DDFCB557Ata2eene2@216.196.97.131...



Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1183688142.060794.187040@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com:


On Jul 5, 4:55 pm, Kurt Nicklas <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

July 03, 2007
Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America
By Peter Barry Chowka
Part I


Michael Moore has described his new film Sicko as a "comedy," but
there's nothing funny about it. With its radical prescription for the
takeover of all of American health care by the federal government,
it's more like a tragedy -- a very dark tragedy that is guaranteed to
lead to an unhappy ending.

I would not have a problem with state or national health insurance
program that was voluntary and funded entirely by those who choose to
enroll in such programs.


Does that mean you object to the VA hospital system
since it is funded by people who didn't choose to enroll
in it, and indeed cannot benefit from it?


Uh oh. I think you ruined Miguel's whole day.

I guess the idea of choice terrifies you. How dare people have a
choice of whether to support a government health care plan or a
private health care plan!
Michael
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: #Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America 06 Jul 2007 08:57:27 AM
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 01:51:26 -0700, Michael Ejercito wrote:

On Jul 5, 11:12 pm, "What, Me Worry?" <__@____.___> wrote:

"Mitchell Holman" <Noem...@comcast.com> wrote in message

news:Xns9964DDFCB557Ata2eene2@216.196.97.131...



Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1183688142.060794.187040@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com:


On Jul 5, 4:55 pm, Kurt Nicklas <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

July 03, 2007
Medicine At Gunpoint: The Sicko Crowd's Deadly Rx For America By
Peter Barry Chowka
Part I


Michael Moore has described his new film Sicko as a "comedy," but
there's nothing funny about it. With its radical prescription for
the takeover of all of American health care by the federal
government, it's more like a tragedy -- a very dark tragedy that is
guaranteed to lead to an unhappy ending.

I would not have a problem with state or national health
insurance
program that was voluntary and funded entirely by those who choose
to enroll in such programs.


Does that mean you object to the VA hospital system
since it is funded by people who didn't choose to enroll in it, and
indeed cannot benefit from it?


Uh oh. I think you ruined Miguel's whole day.


I guess the idea of choice terrifies you. How dare people have a
choice of whether to support a government health care plan or a private
health care plan!

What kind of "choice" is not being able to afford health care?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"What the hell is an aluminum Falcon?"
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