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'Medieval medicine': Ore. assisted suicide claims 38 |
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'Medieval medicine': Ore. assisted suicide claims 38
WASHINGTON (BP)--Physician-assisted suicide in Oregon claimed about
the same number of victims in 2005 as it had each of the three previous
years, according to the annual report released March 9.
Thirty-eight people committed suicide with a doctor's assistance last
year in the only state that has legalized the practice. In 2004, 37 cases of
assisted suicide were reported. That followed 42 such deaths in 2003 and 38
in 2002. Before 2002, the largest number of assisted suicides in a year was
27.
Oregon has recorded 246 deaths by assisted suicide since its Death
With Dignity Act took effect in late 1997.
A Southern Baptist bioethicist rejected the idea that a stabilizing of
the number of assisted suicides is "good news."
"Thirty-eight medical killings is 38 too many," said C. Ben Mitchell,
a consultant for the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and an associate
professor of bioethics at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in suburban
Chicago. "Assisted suicide is medieval medicine. This is the 21st century.
We have the most advanced medicine the world has ever known. Physicians have
no reason to kill their patients. We have pain management tools that can
relieve patient pain.
"If helping patients kill themselves is the best Oregonian physicians
can do, then God help them," Mitchell told Baptist Press. "If physicians
cannot provide appropriate comfort care for dying patients, then God help us
all."
The release of the report came about seven weeks after the U.S.
Supreme Court ruled that the federal government cannot bar doctors from
prescribing lethal amounts of drugs for people seeking to commit suicide. In
a 6-3 vote Jan. 17, the justices sided with the state of Oregon, which
argued that its right to regulate medicine trumps the federal government's
authority to control drug usage in regard to assisted suicide, which
involves a physician prescribing but not administering a drug to take a
person's life.
Oregon's latest report showed:
-- Only two of the 38 people who died were referred for psychiatric
evaluation during the assisted suicide process. This was the third year in a
row for a referral rate of only 5 percent. In 1998, the first full year for
legalized assisted suicide in Oregon, the referral rate was 31 percent.
-- The percentage of physicians who prescribed the drugs and were
present when patients took them improved slightly to 23 percent. In 2004, it
was 16 percent. The average for 1998-2004 was 29 percent.
-- As in previous years, the leading reasons patients chose to kill
themselves were concerns about an increasing inability to participate in
activities that make life enjoyable (89 percent), a loss of dignity (89
percent) and a decrease in autonomy (79 percent).
-- Cancer was by far the leading disease, with 32 of those who
committed suicide having a malignant tumor.
-- Twenty-three of the 38 people who died by assisted suicide were
males; 36 were white; 20 were married; the youngest was 42 years old and the
oldest 90; 35 were enrolled in hospice care; and all had medical insurance.
Mitchell decried the almost complete failure by prescribing doctors to
recommend psychiatric evaluation.
"The fact that almost none of the patients were examined for
depression or other psychological maladies is chilling," Mitchell said. "Any
patient who wants to end his or her life needs the benefits of counseling.
There are better options than medical suicide."
Physicians for Compassionate Care, an Oregon organization that opposes
assisted suicide, said in a written statement March 9 the practice "does
nothing to improve health care at [the] end of life. What the law actually
does is protect doctors from peer review and from prosecution for medical
killing."
PCC also said assisted suicide:
-- "Undermines trust in the patient-physician relationship;
-- "Alters the role of the physician in society, from the traditional
one of healer to executioner;
-- "Endangers the value that society places on life, specifically for
those who are most vulnerable."
Mel Kohn, state epidemiologist in Oregon, said the report from the
Department of Human Services shows "little change in the demographics and
characteristics among those who are using this law," according to The
Oregonian, a Portland newspaper.
"Is it the old, the frail, the poor, the minorities, the vulnerable?
The answer is 'no' to all of those," said Susan Tolle, an ethicist at Oregon
Health and Science University, The Oregonian reported.
A total of 64 prescriptions for lethal amounts of medicine were
written last year. Only 32 of the recipients of those prescriptions died
after taking the drugs. Fifteen died from their diseases, and 17 were alive
at the end of the year. Six of those who died in 2005 received prescriptions
the previous year.
--
" The truth shall set you free "
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: 'Medieval medicine': Ore. assisted suicide claims 38 |
19 Mar 2006 08:00:22 PM |
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You should be lucky you don't have a wife and kids, J Yo...no one to
dump YOU in Oregon.
Paul
Of course, your Catholic Church has no plans or interest in caring
for you when you're old and terminal.
Paul
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| User: "z" |
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| Title: Re: 'Medieval medicine': Ore. assisted suicide claims 38 |
12 Mar 2006 12:26:05 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:S6qdnY-pmryxGo7ZRVn-tQ@giganews.com:
A Southern Baptist bioethicist rejected the idea that a
stabilizing of
the number of assisted suicides is "good news."
"Thirty-eight medical killings is 38 too many," said C. Ben
Mitchell,
a consultant for the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and an
associate professor of bioethics at Trinity Evangelical Divinity
School in suburban Chicago. "Assisted suicide is medieval medicine.
This is the 21st century. We have the most advanced medicine the world
has ever known. Physicians have no reason to kill their patients. We
have pain management tools that can relieve patient pain.
"If helping patients kill themselves is the best Oregonian
physicians
can do, then God help them," Mitchell told Baptist Press. "If
physicians cannot provide appropriate comfort care for dying patients,
then God help us all."
Hey Southern Babtists. Mind your own fucking business
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| User: "basilod" |
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11 Mar 2006 11:14:27 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:S6qdnY-pmryxGo7ZRVn-tQ@giganews.com...
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22825
'Medieval medicine': Ore. assisted suicide claims 38
OK, 38 people were wise enough to ask for help in ending their senseless
bed-ridden lives. How many stayed with "modern medicine" and continued
"living" on respirators until hospitals and pharmaceutical companies pumped
out the last penny possible out of their savings/insurance/Medicare plans?
According to statistics, on average most of the health care money is being
spent during the last year of life. For what purpose? Everyone knows that
we are mortals - why trying to prolong the agony of the last year of life at
any cost?
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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| Title: Re: 'Medieval medicine': Ore. assisted suicide claims 38 |
12 Mar 2006 11:49:36 AM |
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"basilod" <basilod@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:T6OQf.10333$S25.6909@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:S6qdnY-pmryxGo7ZRVn-tQ@giganews.com...
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22825
'Medieval medicine': Ore. assisted suicide claims 38
OK, 38 people were wise enough to ask for help in ending their senseless
bed-ridden lives. How many stayed with "modern medicine" and continued
"living" on respirators until hospitals and pharmaceutical companies
pumped out the last penny possible out of their savings/insurance/Medicare
plans?
According to statistics, on average most of the health care money is being
spent during the last year of life. For what purpose? Everyone knows
that we are mortals - why trying to prolong the agony of the last year of
life at any cost?
Well, actually a cynic would say that is exactly why they adopted such a
law...because most of the money spend on medical care is for those who will
live one or two more years. Ending their life, solves the money problem
they represent...since they are most likely not the ones paying the
bill....someone else is...
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| User: "DCI" |
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| Title: Re: 'Medieval medicine': Ore. assisted suicide claims 38 |
12 Mar 2006 12:28:00 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:49:36 GMT, "Jerry Okamura"
<okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
"basilod" <basilod@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:T6OQf.10333$S25.6909@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:S6qdnY-pmryxGo7ZRVn-tQ@giganews.com...
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22825
'Medieval medicine': Ore. assisted suicide claims 38
OK, 38 people were wise enough to ask for help in ending their senseless
bed-ridden lives. How many stayed with "modern medicine" and continued
"living" on respirators until hospitals and pharmaceutical companies
pumped out the last penny possible out of their savings/insurance/Medicare
plans?
According to statistics, on average most of the health care money is being
spent during the last year of life. For what purpose? Everyone knows
that we are mortals - why trying to prolong the agony of the last year of
life at any cost?
Well, actually a cynic would say that is exactly why they adopted such a
law...because most of the money spend on medical care is for those who will
live one or two more years. Ending their life, solves the money problem
they represent...since they are most likely not the ones paying the
bill....someone else is...
On this thread, you have expressed clearly a very sensitive human
value, a need for the quality of life. A fact: life ends with death.
In the history of modern medicine, the idea that doctors should
somehow prevent all deaths of persons at the point of no return is an
expectation of those who have no ability to prevent the inevitable.
Where to "draw the line" for medical assistance to live - or die - in
a vegetative state will be an ethical argument that takes far more
time and energy than those who profess a simplistic idea that life
should be preserved at all cost for the longest period of time
regardless of the decreasing quality of life. When at the end of life
the medical system hands the surviving family members a bill for
services that would literally destroy the economic quality of life for
the living is in itself a cruelty of cruelties. And it happens too
frequently.
DCI
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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| Title: Re: 'Medieval medicine': Ore. assisted suicide claims 38 |
12 Mar 2006 04:11:06 PM |
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Good post
"DCI" <never@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:noo812558fhume1igu8mnt2tomt8k6c790@4ax.com...
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:49:36 GMT, "Jerry Okamura"
<okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
"basilod" <basilod@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:T6OQf.10333$S25.6909@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:S6qdnY-pmryxGo7ZRVn-tQ@giganews.com...
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22825
'Medieval medicine': Ore. assisted suicide claims 38
OK, 38 people were wise enough to ask for help in ending their senseless
bed-ridden lives. How many stayed with "modern medicine" and continued
"living" on respirators until hospitals and pharmaceutical companies
pumped out the last penny possible out of their
savings/insurance/Medicare
plans?
According to statistics, on average most of the health care money is
being
spent during the last year of life. For what purpose? Everyone knows
that we are mortals - why trying to prolong the agony of the last year
of
life at any cost?
Well, actually a cynic would say that is exactly why they adopted such a
law...because most of the money spend on medical care is for those who
will
live one or two more years. Ending their life, solves the money problem
they represent...since they are most likely not the ones paying the
bill....someone else is...
On this thread, you have expressed clearly a very sensitive human
value, a need for the quality of life. A fact: life ends with death.
In the history of modern medicine, the idea that doctors should
somehow prevent all deaths of persons at the point of no return is an
expectation of those who have no ability to prevent the inevitable.
Where to "draw the line" for medical assistance to live - or die - in
a vegetative state will be an ethical argument that takes far more
time and energy than those who profess a simplistic idea that life
should be preserved at all cost for the longest period of time
regardless of the decreasing quality of life. When at the end of life
the medical system hands the surviving family members a bill for
services that would literally destroy the economic quality of life for
the living is in itself a cruelty of cruelties. And it happens too
frequently.
DCI
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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11 Mar 2006 09:16:44 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, J Young poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
Medieval medicine
More medieval medicine:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1661366,00.html
http://www.courttv.com/trials/exorcist/070904_ctv.html
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=13780
Regards,
Josef
Religion to me has always been the wound, not the bandage.
-- Dennis Potter
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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12 Mar 2006 01:47:07 AM |
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In article <S6qdnY-pmryxGo7ZRVn-tQ@giganews.com>,
says...
"Thirty-eight medical killings is 38 too many," said C. Ben Mitchell,
a consultant for the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and an associate
professor of bioethics at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in suburban
Chicago. "Assisted suicide is medieval medicine. "
But hatred of homosexuals is oh so modern, right?
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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12 Mar 2006 11:50:17 AM |
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"Brian E. Clark" <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e7d9c07ea57e1ce989695@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <S6qdnY-pmryxGo7ZRVn-tQ@giganews.com>,
says...
"Thirty-eight medical killings is 38 too many," said C. Ben
Mitchell,
a consultant for the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and an
associate
professor of bioethics at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in suburban
Chicago. "Assisted suicide is medieval medicine. "
But hatred of homosexuals is oh so modern, right?
Hatred is never okay....
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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12 Mar 2006 01:42:35 AM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22825
'Medieval medicine': Ore. assisted suicide claims 38
WASHINGTON (BP)--Physician-assisted suicide in Oregon claimed about
the same number of victims in 2005 as it had each of the three previous
years, according to the annual report released March 9.
And you're complaining because you wanted the people to suffer more?
Or because you wanted to kill them yourself?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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12 Mar 2006 11:47:13 AM |
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Though personally I do not like the idea of someone "helping" someone else
to end their life, I can also understand why someone would want help in
doing the dirty deed. I think it is way to simplistic to say that it should
never be done. I personally would not want to live, if I had to live like
the vegetable for the balance of my life, and "bet" that some miracle will
happen that would "save" my life, or live heavily sedated for a very long
period of time....
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:S6qdnY-pmryxGo7ZRVn-tQ@giganews.com...
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22825
'Medieval medicine': Ore. assisted suicide claims 38
WASHINGTON (BP)--Physician-assisted suicide in Oregon claimed about
the same number of victims in 2005 as it had each of the three previous
years, according to the annual report released March 9.
Thirty-eight people committed suicide with a doctor's assistance last
year in the only state that has legalized the practice. In 2004, 37 cases
of
assisted suicide were reported. That followed 42 such deaths in 2003 and
38
in 2002. Before 2002, the largest number of assisted suicides in a year
was
27.
Oregon has recorded 246 deaths by assisted suicide since its Death
With Dignity Act took effect in late 1997.
A Southern Baptist bioethicist rejected the idea that a stabilizing
of
the number of assisted suicides is "good news."
"Thirty-eight medical killings is 38 too many," said C. Ben Mitchell,
a consultant for the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and an
associate
professor of bioethics at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in suburban
Chicago. "Assisted suicide is medieval medicine. This is the 21st century.
We have the most advanced medicine the world has ever known. Physicians
have
no reason to kill their patients. We have pain management tools that can
relieve patient pain.
"If helping patients kill themselves is the best Oregonian physicians
can do, then God help them," Mitchell told Baptist Press. "If physicians
cannot provide appropriate comfort care for dying patients, then God help
us
all."
The release of the report came about seven weeks after the U.S.
Supreme Court ruled that the federal government cannot bar doctors from
prescribing lethal amounts of drugs for people seeking to commit suicide.
In
a 6-3 vote Jan. 17, the justices sided with the state of Oregon, which
argued that its right to regulate medicine trumps the federal government's
authority to control drug usage in regard to assisted suicide, which
involves a physician prescribing but not administering a drug to take a
person's life.
Oregon's latest report showed:
-- Only two of the 38 people who died were referred for psychiatric
evaluation during the assisted suicide process. This was the third year in
a
row for a referral rate of only 5 percent. In 1998, the first full year
for
legalized assisted suicide in Oregon, the referral rate was 31 percent.
-- The percentage of physicians who prescribed the drugs and were
present when patients took them improved slightly to 23 percent. In 2004,
it
was 16 percent. The average for 1998-2004 was 29 percent.
-- As in previous years, the leading reasons patients chose to kill
themselves were concerns about an increasing inability to participate in
activities that make life enjoyable (89 percent), a loss of dignity (89
percent) and a decrease in autonomy (79 percent).
-- Cancer was by far the leading disease, with 32 of those who
committed suicide having a malignant tumor.
-- Twenty-three of the 38 people who died by assisted suicide were
males; 36 were white; 20 were married; the youngest was 42 years old and
the
oldest 90; 35 were enrolled in hospice care; and all had medical
insurance.
Mitchell decried the almost complete failure by prescribing doctors
to
recommend psychiatric evaluation.
"The fact that almost none of the patients were examined for
depression or other psychological maladies is chilling," Mitchell said.
"Any
patient who wants to end his or her life needs the benefits of counseling.
There are better options than medical suicide."
Physicians for Compassionate Care, an Oregon organization that
opposes
assisted suicide, said in a written statement March 9 the practice "does
nothing to improve health care at [the] end of life. What the law actually
does is protect doctors from peer review and from prosecution for medical
killing."
PCC also said assisted suicide:
-- "Undermines trust in the patient-physician relationship;
-- "Alters the role of the physician in society, from the traditional
one of healer to executioner;
-- "Endangers the value that society places on life, specifically for
those who are most vulnerable."
Mel Kohn, state epidemiologist in Oregon, said the report from the
Department of Human Services shows "little change in the demographics and
characteristics among those who are using this law," according to The
Oregonian, a Portland newspaper.
"Is it the old, the frail, the poor, the minorities, the vulnerable?
The answer is 'no' to all of those," said Susan Tolle, an ethicist at
Oregon
Health and Science University, The Oregonian reported.
A total of 64 prescriptions for lethal amounts of medicine were
written last year. Only 32 of the recipients of those prescriptions died
after taking the drugs. Fifteen died from their diseases, and 17 were
alive
at the end of the year. Six of those who died in 2005 received
prescriptions
the previous year.
--
" The truth shall set you free "
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