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"Brian Westley" |
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11 Feb 2004 10:05:57 AM |
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Mel Gibson says his wife could be going to hell |
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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11 Feb 2004 11:11:33 AM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:402a52e5$0$162$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
...
I get a kick out of Gibson as an actor but he needs to talk to a priest
about this, or recite some of his prayers. The Catholics, as all others,
believe they are the one true church but you can get into heaven in any
number of ways. In fact being good and being afraid to go to hell is
sufficient.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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11 Feb 2004 11:37:34 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
...
I get a kick out of Gibson as an actor but he needs to talk to a priest
about this, or recite some of his prayers. The Catholics, as all others,
believe they are the one true church but you can get into heaven in any
number of ways. In fact being good and being afraid to go to hell is
sufficient.
Having been brought up Catholic, I was dumbfounded by this
statement. I have NEVER heard anyone in the RCC say that
all other religions are damned. Rather, most of my instruction
was that God was loving and that as long as you led a just life
you would be in heaven.
Anyhoo....what is the "chair"? Not the Pope is it? First, despite
JPII's other lunatic ravings, he's been the most ecumenical pontiff
ever.
Second, doesn't Mel belong to some ultraconservative cult that
disavows the authority of the Pope since VatII?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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11 Feb 2004 01:25:26 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:37:34 GMT in alt.atheism, Geoff ("Geoff"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:9ntWb.7429$hR.204246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:402a52e5$0$162$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
...
I get a kick out of Gibson as an actor but he needs to talk to a priest
about this, or recite some of his prayers. The Catholics, as all others,
believe they are the one true church but you can get into heaven in any
number of ways. In fact being good and being afraid to go to hell is
sufficient.
Having been brought up Catholic, I was dumbfounded by this
statement. I have NEVER heard anyone in the RCC say that
all other religions are damned. Rather, most of my instruction
was that God was loving and that as long as you led a just life
you would be in heaven.
IIRC that there is "no salvation outside the Church" is part of
infallible teaching of the RCC, but there is some question as to the
meaning of "outside" and "church". There's a bit of a rundown at
http://www.catholic.com/library/Salvation_Outside_the_Church.asp
Anyhoo....what is the "chair"? Not the Pope is it?
IIRC it's a way of referring to the office of pope. A bit like an
American might think the president as a man is a git but may
never-the-less feel that they owe loyalty to the office.
First, despite
JPII's other lunatic ravings, he's been the most ecumenical pontiff
ever.
Provided you agree with the Teaching of the RCC!
Second, doesn't Mel belong to some ultraconservative cult that
disavows the authority of the Pope since VatII?
Dunno, but wouldn't be amazed if he did.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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11 Feb 2004 04:03:59 PM |
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<Snip>
IIRC that there is "no salvation outside the Church" is part of
infallible teaching of the RCC, but there is some question as to the
meaning of "outside" and "church". There's a bit of a rundown at
http://www.catholic.com/library/Salvation_Outside_the_Church.asp
From http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#I
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
CHAPTER THREE
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT
ARTICLE 9
"I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH"
Paragraph 3. The Church Is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic
III. THE CHURCH IS CATHOLIC
and starting at 830 covers it.
Bassically it says you have to be a Catholic to get to heaven, then explains
how everybody else can get there.
"847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their
own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ
or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and,
moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through
the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal
salvation.337"
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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11 Feb 2004 07:17:23 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:37:34 GMT in alt.atheism, Geoff ("Geoff"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
<snip>
Having been brought up Catholic, I was dumbfounded by this
statement. I have NEVER heard anyone in the RCC say that
all other religions are damned. Rather, most of my instruction
was that God was loving and that as long as you led a just life
you would be in heaven.
I remember a story about him on NPR one time. He isn't a traditional
Catholic. He's of a fairly fundamentalist sect that's broken away
from the main Catholic church, and who rejects the authority of the
Pope. I don't believe they're an extremely common sect, but there are
enough of them. You can't gauge anything he says by what most people
know about "the Catholic church".
--
L8r,
Bill
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| User: "LanaXZR" |
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11 Feb 2004 01:16:23 PM |
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Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:9ntWb.7429$hR.204246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:402a52e5$0$162$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
...
I get a kick out of Gibson as an actor but he needs to talk to a priest
about this, or recite some of his prayers. The Catholics, as all others,
believe they are the one true church but you can get into heaven in any
number of ways. In fact being good and being afraid to go to hell is
sufficient.
Having been brought up Catholic, I was dumbfounded by this
statement. I have NEVER heard anyone in the RCC say that
all other religions are damned. Rather, most of my instruction
was that God was loving and that as long as you led a just life
you would be in heaven.
I think it depends on when you were brought up Catholic. I can date my
atheistic stirrings to a conversation with a priest in 1963. (I was 11 at the
time.) He said only Catholics go to heaven. I asked about little children in
deepest, darkest Africa who never heard of Catholicism. He stuck with his
position. I thought (but couldn't say out loud) "That's not fair. God made them
and stuck them in Africa and then punishes them for it." I guess that was
before Vatican II. I understand the church is a bit more inclusive these
days.
Actually, I think I realized I didn't believe in any god sooner than I might
have if I had been brought up in a less oppressive religion. The fact that it
was in my face all the time forced me to consider it and decide how I felt.
Lana (a proud heathen since 1968)
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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11 Feb 2004 03:46:22 PM |
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"LanaXZR" <lanaxzr@aol.com> wrote in message
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Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like
Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the
reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
...
I get a kick out of Gibson as an actor but he needs to talk to a priest
about this, or recite some of his prayers. The Catholics, as all
others,
believe they are the one true church but you can get into heaven in any
number of ways. In fact being good and being afraid to go to hell is
sufficient.
Having been brought up Catholic, I was dumbfounded by this
statement. I have NEVER heard anyone in the RCC say that
all other religions are damned. Rather, most of my instruction
was that God was loving and that as long as you led a just life
you would be in heaven.
I think it depends on when you were brought up Catholic. I can date my
atheistic stirrings to a conversation with a priest in 1963. (I was 11 at
the
time.) He said only Catholics go to heaven. I asked about little children
in
deepest, darkest Africa who never heard of Catholicism. He stuck with his
position. I thought (but couldn't say out loud) "That's not fair. God made
them
and stuck them in Africa and then punishes them for it." I guess that was
before Vatican II. I understand the church is a bit more inclusive these
days.
I learned all these lessons before 1957 when they asked me not to come back
to the private Catholic boarding school I attended.
In fact in Catholic elementary school the priest frequently used "Bongo" the
African native who went to heaven after living a good life.
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| User: "Carmela" |
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11 Feb 2004 05:24:52 PM |
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(LanaXZR) wrote in message news:<20040211141623.13026.00001981@mb-m02.aol.com>...
(snip)
I think it depends on when you were brought up Catholic. I can date my
atheistic stirrings to a conversation with a priest in 1963. (I was 11 at the
time.) He said only Catholics go to heaven. I asked about little children in
deepest, darkest Africa who never heard of Catholicism. He stuck with his
position. I thought (but couldn't say out loud) "That's not fair. God made them
and stuck them in Africa and then punishes them for it." I guess that was
before Vatican II. I understand the church is a bit more inclusive these
days.
Indeed it is! So "inclusive," in fact that most in the priesthood are
now faggots, er, pedophiles. So much for Vatican II. No wonder
political liberals speak so glowingly about "reform" in the RCC.
"Most stunningly, if celibacy is to blame, this is a show-stopping,
Nobel Prize-winning discovery overturning years of liberal claptrap.
In all other circumstances, it is punishable by death to suggest that
sexual behavior is not determined at birth or that gays can be
"cured." Now liberals are hawking the idea that gay priests could have
been cured by marriage!" Ann Coulter
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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11 Feb 2004 09:19:23 PM |
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(Carmela) wrote in
news:c8d5e5a3.0402111524.5541f469@posting.google.com:
lanaxzr@aol.com (LanaXZR) wrote in message
news:<20040211141623.13026.00001981@mb-m02.aol.com>...
(snip)
I think it depends on when you were brought up Catholic. I can date
my atheistic stirrings to a conversation with a priest in 1963. (I
was 11 at the time.) He said only Catholics go to heaven. I asked
about little children in deepest, darkest Africa who never heard of
Catholicism. He stuck with his position. I thought (but couldn't say
out loud) "That's not fair. God made them and stuck them in Africa
and then punishes them for it." I guess that was before Vatican II.
I understand the church is a bit more inclusive these days.
In--PLONK.
Yes, folks--the flying plonk strikes again!
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Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Brought to you by the letter 'H'
Without it, you'd be eating doug nuts.
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12 Feb 2004 04:50:44 PM |
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And so upon Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:24:52 -0800 didst Carmela speak thusly:
lanaxzr@aol.com (LanaXZR) wrote in message news:<20040211141623.13026.00001981@mb-m02.aol.com>...
(snip)
I think it depends on when you were brought up Catholic. I can date my
atheistic stirrings to a conversation with a priest in 1963. (I was 11 at the
time.) He said only Catholics go to heaven. I asked about little children in
deepest, darkest Africa who never heard of Catholicism. He stuck with his
position. I thought (but couldn't say out loud) "That's not fair. God made them
and stuck them in Africa and then punishes them for it." I guess that was
before Vatican II. I understand the church is a bit more inclusive these
days.
Indeed it is! So "inclusive," in fact that most in the priesthood are
now faggots, er, pedophiles. So much for Vatican II. No wonder
political liberals speak so glowingly about "reform" in the RCC.
"Most stunningly, if celibacy is to blame, this is a show-stopping,
Nobel Prize-winning discovery overturning years of liberal claptrap.
In all other circumstances, it is punishable by death to suggest that
sexual behavior is not determined at birth or that gays can be
"cured." Now liberals are hawking the idea that gay priests could have
been cured by marriage!" Ann Coulter
And they wonder why people call neo-cons hate mongers...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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13 Feb 2004 07:11:55 PM |
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On 11 Feb 2004 15:24:52 -0800 the ET form known as
Carmela<CrazyCarmela@linkedto.themailcrypt.com> sent a radio signal
across the vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
Indeed it is! So "inclusive," in fact that most in the priesthood are
now faggots, er, pedophiles. So much for Vatican II. No wonder
political liberals speak so glowingly about "reform" in the RCC.
"Most stunningly, if celibacy is to blame, this is a show-stopping,
Nobel Prize-winning discovery overturning years of liberal claptrap.
In all other circumstances, it is punishable by death to suggest that
sexual behavior is not determined at birth or that gays can be
"cured." Now liberals are hawking the idea that gay priests could have
been cured by marriage!" Ann Coulter
Apologists have to explain why Catholic clergy have a far higher rate
of offending than any other profession, including profession that
involve contact with children. The Roby Swan study found that priest
were 4 X more likely than the next most likely group. It looks on the
surface like Catholicism does make Catholic pedophilia.
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| User: "gardibolt" |
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11 Feb 2004 06:45:07 PM |
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In our last number, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message news:<yLtWb.278844$xy6.1422659@attbi_s02>...
<snip>
Second, doesn't Mel belong to some ultraconservative cult that
disavows the authority of the Pope since VatII?
Right. According to them, John XXIII and all the popes after have
been antipopes. I have no idea who they think the real pope is, or
whether there is one. But maybe it's just the voice of the chair that
they hear in their heads, along with the radio broadcasts from Venus
and the CIA.
gardhi
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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11 Feb 2004 08:14:31 PM |
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On 11 Feb 2004 16:45:07 -0800 in alt.atheism, gardibolt
(gardibolt@yahoo.com (gardibolt)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
In our last number, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message news:<yLtWb.278844$xy6.1422659@attbi_s02>...
<snip>
Second, doesn't Mel belong to some ultraconservative cult that
disavows the authority of the Pope since VatII?
Right. According to them, John XXIII and all the popes after have
been antipopes. I have no idea who they think the real pope is, or
whether there is one. But maybe it's just the voice of the chair that
they hear in their heads, along with the radio broadcasts from Venus
and the CIA.
Gosh. I wonder what happens if you put a Pope and an Anti-Pope in the
same room?! Would it solve the energy crisis?
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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12 Feb 2004 05:18:26 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Thu, 12 Feb 2004 02:14:31 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
<snip>
Gosh. I wonder what happens if you put a Pope and an Anti-Pope in the
same room?! Would it solve the energy crisis?
Get me an appointment with John Paul. We'd soon find out.
muahahahahahhh...
};-)
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| User: "johac" |
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14 Feb 2004 01:58:47 AM |
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In article <baol20drpk1aqdgcs274mo19p4qqcig579@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 11 Feb 2004 16:45:07 -0800 in alt.atheism, gardibolt
(gardibolt@yahoo.com (gardibolt)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
In our last number, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<yLtWb.278844$xy6.1422659@attbi_s02>...
<snip>
Second, doesn't Mel belong to some ultraconservative cult that
disavows the authority of the Pope since VatII?
Right. According to them, John XXIII and all the popes after have
been antipopes. I have no idea who they think the real pope is, or
whether there is one. But maybe it's just the voice of the chair that
they hear in their heads, along with the radio broadcasts from Venus
and the CIA.
Gosh. I wonder what happens if you put a Pope and an Anti-Pope in the
same room?!
I don't know, but it's worth a try.
Would it solve the energy crisis?
If they annihilated each other? I don't know about the energy crisis,
but we'd all be better off.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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14 Feb 2004 05:43:12 PM |
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And so upon Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:58:47 -0800 didst johac speak thusly:
In article <baol20drpk1aqdgcs274mo19p4qqcig579@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 11 Feb 2004 16:45:07 -0800 in alt.atheism, gardibolt
(gardibolt@yahoo.com (gardibolt)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
In our last number, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<yLtWb.278844$xy6.1422659@attbi_s02>...
<snip>
Second, doesn't Mel belong to some ultraconservative cult that
disavows the authority of the Pope since VatII?
Right. According to them, John XXIII and all the popes after have
been antipopes. I have no idea who they think the real pope is, or
whether there is one. But maybe it's just the voice of the chair that
they hear in their heads, along with the radio broadcasts from Venus
and the CIA.
Gosh. I wonder what happens if you put a Pope and an Anti-Pope in the
same room?!
I don't know, but it's worth a try.
Would it solve the energy crisis?
If they annihilated each other? I don't know about the energy crisis,
but we'd all be better off.
Okay but if we didn't let them touch, maybe we could get a reaction going
that could run some turbines. Maybe if we put a Methodist between them?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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15 Feb 2004 12:45:57 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.02.14.23.43.12.87058@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:58:47 -0800 didst johac speak thusly:
In article <baol20drpk1aqdgcs274mo19p4qqcig579@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 11 Feb 2004 16:45:07 -0800 in alt.atheism, gardibolt
(gardibolt@yahoo.com (gardibolt)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
In our last number, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<yLtWb.278844$xy6.1422659@attbi_s02>...
<snip>
Second, doesn't Mel belong to some ultraconservative cult that
disavows the authority of the Pope since VatII?
Right. According to them, John XXIII and all the popes after have
been antipopes. I have no idea who they think the real pope is, or
whether there is one. But maybe it's just the voice of the chair that
they hear in their heads, along with the radio broadcasts from Venus
and the CIA.
Gosh. I wonder what happens if you put a Pope and an Anti-Pope in the
same room?!
I don't know, but it's worth a try.
Would it solve the energy crisis?
If they annihilated each other? I don't know about the energy crisis,
but we'd all be better off.
Okay but if we didn't let them touch, maybe we could get a reaction going
that could run some turbines. Maybe if we put a Methodist between them?
Or maybe a Unitarian. Being neutral, he might be a good insulator. I
suppose that there's still the chance of a radiation leak. We need
something really dense to block it. I know. We'll get a group of fundy
creationists to form a circle around them.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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15 Feb 2004 12:02:23 PM |
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And so upon Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:45:57 -0800 didst johac speak thusly:
In article <pan.2004.02.14.23.43.12.87058@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:58:47 -0800 didst johac speak thusly:
In article <baol20drpk1aqdgcs274mo19p4qqcig579@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 11 Feb 2004 16:45:07 -0800 in alt.atheism, gardibolt
(gardibolt@yahoo.com (gardibolt)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
In our last number, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<yLtWb.278844$xy6.1422659@attbi_s02>...
<snip>
Second, doesn't Mel belong to some ultraconservative cult that
disavows the authority of the Pope since VatII?
Right. According to them, John XXIII and all the popes after have
been antipopes. I have no idea who they think the real pope is, or
whether there is one. But maybe it's just the voice of the chair that
they hear in their heads, along with the radio broadcasts from Venus
and the CIA.
Gosh. I wonder what happens if you put a Pope and an Anti-Pope in the
same room?!
I don't know, but it's worth a try.
Would it solve the energy crisis?
If they annihilated each other? I don't know about the energy crisis,
but we'd all be better off.
Okay but if we didn't let them touch, maybe we could get a reaction going
that could run some turbines. Maybe if we put a Methodist between them?
Or maybe a Unitarian. Being neutral, he might be a good insulator. I
suppose that there's still the chance of a radiation leak. We need
something really dense to block it. I know. We'll get a group of fundy
creationists to form a circle around them.
Dunno about a Unitarian for an insulator, they're awfully *inclusive and
the reaction could go critical.
Fundie containment, though, that's dense enough to block *anything.
Hm... but wouldn't that also block all information, knowledge, and
usefulness?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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15 Feb 2004 10:49:38 PM |
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In article <pan.2004.02.15.18.02.23.351195@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:45:57 -0800 didst johac speak thusly:
In article <pan.2004.02.14.23.43.12.87058@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:58:47 -0800 didst johac speak thusly:
In article <baol20drpk1aqdgcs274mo19p4qqcig579@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 11 Feb 2004 16:45:07 -0800 in alt.atheism, gardibolt
(gardibolt@yahoo.com (gardibolt)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
In our last number, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<yLtWb.278844$xy6.1422659@attbi_s02>...
<snip>
Second, doesn't Mel belong to some ultraconservative cult that
disavows the authority of the Pope since VatII?
Right. According to them, John XXIII and all the popes after have
been antipopes. I have no idea who they think the real pope is, or
whether there is one. But maybe it's just the voice of the chair that
they hear in their heads, along with the radio broadcasts from Venus
and the CIA.
Gosh. I wonder what happens if you put a Pope and an Anti-Pope in the
same room?!
I don't know, but it's worth a try.
Would it solve the energy crisis?
If they annihilated each other? I don't know about the energy crisis,
but we'd all be better off.
Okay but if we didn't let them touch, maybe we could get a reaction going
that could run some turbines. Maybe if we put a Methodist between them?
Or maybe a Unitarian. Being neutral, he might be a good insulator. I
suppose that there's still the chance of a radiation leak. We need
something really dense to block it. I know. We'll get a group of fundy
creationists to form a circle around them.
Dunno about a Unitarian for an insulator, they're awfully *inclusive and
the reaction could go critical.
Fundie containment, though, that's dense enough to block *anything.
Hm... but wouldn't that also block all information, knowledge, and
usefulness?
As long as we stay outside and keep the fundies inside.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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11 Feb 2004 01:47:18 PM |
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On Wed 11 Feb 2004 11:37:34a, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> kicked
back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a
joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:9ntWb.7429$hR.204246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:402a52e5$0$162$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like
Gibson, a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian
wife could be going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the
reporter asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal
salvation. "There is no salvation for those outside the Church,"
Gibson replied. "I believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian,
Church of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus,
she believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
...
I get a kick out of Gibson as an actor but he needs to talk to a
priest about this, or recite some of his prayers. The Catholics, as
all others, believe they are the one true church but you can get into
heaven in any number of ways. In fact being good and being afraid to
go to hell is sufficient.
Having been brought up Catholic, I was dumbfounded by this
statement. I have NEVER heard anyone in the RCC say that
all other religions are damned. Rather, most of my instruction
was that God was loving and that as long as you led a just life
you would be in heaven.
Anyhoo....what is the "chair"? Not the Pope is it? First, despite
JPII's other lunatic ravings, he's been the most ecumenical pontiff
ever.
Second, doesn't Mel belong to some ultraconservative cult that
disavows the authority of the Pope since VatII?
The "chair", I would guess, is God.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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13 Feb 2004 09:33:38 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:37:34 GMT in alt.atheism
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:9ntWb.7429$hR.204246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:402a52e5$0$162$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
...
I get a kick out of Gibson as an actor but he needs to talk to a priest
about this, or recite some of his prayers. The Catholics, as all others,
believe they are the one true church but you can get into heaven in any
number of ways. In fact being good and being afraid to go to hell is
sufficient.
Having been brought up Catholic, I was dumbfounded by this
statement. I have NEVER heard anyone in the RCC say that
all other religions are damned. Rather, most of my instruction
was that God was loving and that as long as you led a just life
you would be in heaven.
Anyhoo....what is the "chair"? Not the Pope is it? First, despite
JPII's other lunatic ravings, he's been the most ecumenical pontiff
ever.
Second, doesn't Mel belong to some ultraconservative cult that
disavows the authority of the Pope since VatII?
That might be this bunch of whackos:
http://www.truecatholic.org/
-
Martin Thomas
Official "Teddy Bear" Atheist
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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11 Feb 2004 12:25:34 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:37:34 GMT, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:9ntWb.7429$hR.204246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:402a52e5$0$162$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
...
I get a kick out of Gibson as an actor but he needs to talk to a priest
about this, or recite some of his prayers. The Catholics, as all others,
believe they are the one true church but you can get into heaven in any
number of ways. In fact being good and being afraid to go to hell is
sufficient.
Having been brought up Catholic, I was dumbfounded by this
statement. I have NEVER heard anyone in the RCC say that
all other religions are damned. Rather, most of my instruction
was that God was loving and that as long as you led a just life
you would be in heaven.
Anyhoo....what is the "chair"? Not the Pope is it? First, despite
JPII's other lunatic ravings, he's been the most ecumenical pontiff
ever.
Second, doesn't Mel belong to some ultraconservative cult that
disavows the authority of the Pope since VatII?
I had a conservative RC friend who believed that only Roman Catholics
would go to heaven (And only those Roman Catholics in "good standing
with the Church".).
I asked her: "Didn't John-Paul II say that Martin Luther did a
great service to the RCC, because he caused the RCC to reform
itself?"
She then stated that the Virgin Mary (at Fatima) had warned about
the "corruption of a Pope".
Perhaps ultra-conservative Roman Catholicism is somehow tied into the
belief in the Fatima apparitions/prophesies?
pan
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11 Feb 2004 05:28:48 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:37:34 GMT, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:9ntWb.7429$hR.204246@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:402a52e5$0$162$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
...
I get a kick out of Gibson as an actor but he needs to talk to a priest
about this, or recite some of his prayers. The Catholics, as all others,
believe they are the one true church but you can get into heaven in any
number of ways. In fact being good and being afraid to go to hell is
sufficient.
Having been brought up Catholic, I was dumbfounded by this
statement. I have NEVER heard anyone in the RCC say that
all other religions are damned. Rather, most of my instruction
was that God was loving and that as long as you led a just life
you would be in heaven.
My girlfriend is Catholic. And that's her view too. I think it's the
official RC view too. Works over faith.
But gibsom is a member of a sect that rejects a lot of the stuff that
has brought the Catholics out of the dark ages into the 19th century.
Anyhoo....what is the "chair"? Not the Pope is it? First, despite
JPII's other lunatic ravings, he's been the most ecumenical pontiff
ever.
Second, doesn't Mel belong to some ultraconservative cult that
disavows the authority of the Pope since VatII?
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13 Feb 2004 06:15:31 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:11:33 GMT the ET form known as Mike
Painter<mdotpainter@att.net> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
In fact being good and being afraid to go to hell is
sufficient.
That doctrine is what strikes me that as very limited. It is deficient
on so many levels. The best in humanity will do what is right
regardless of consequences and EVEN if hell is the consequence of
acting rightly. The above is a criterion for a 2nd rate neighbourhood
in heaven.
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11 Feb 2004 11:19:58 AM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:402a52e5$0$162$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
...
Mel Gibson is now officially a douche-bag
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11 Feb 2004 11:38:27 AM |
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"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:I4mdnXwBdIum-bfdUSdV9g@ptd.net...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:402a52e5$0$162$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
...
Mel Gibson is now officially a douche-bag
That's your opinion.
In my opinion, he's been a douche for a while.
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11 Feb 2004 11:01:08 AM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
(snip)
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
What an irresponsible pile of crap.
When you see injustice, the proper response is NOT TO WORSHIP IT.
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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11 Feb 2004 03:17:23 PM |
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And so upon Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:05:57 +0000 didst Brian Westley speak
thusly:
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation.
Along with pretty much everybody *except him...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Woden" |
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11 Feb 2004 11:44:40 AM |
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Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote in
news:402a52e5$0$162$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like
Gibson, a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife
could be going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the
reporter asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation.
"There is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied.
"I believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
...
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Mel should stick to playing wild-eyed wackos in the movies. Rather than
demonstrate that he is one in real life.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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16 Feb 2004 03:37:46 PM |
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Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote in message news:<402a52e5$0$162$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England.
Brian,
Maybe she is trying to convert the Church of England into a
religious organisation.
Iain
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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| Title: Re: Mel Gibson says his wife could be going to hell |
11 Feb 2004 07:14:34 PM |
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In alt.atheism on 11 Feb 2004 16:05:57 GMT, Brian Westley
<westley@visi.com> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
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At least he's honest about it. I find it refreshingly rare when an
individual of faith doesn't try to ratinoalize away the "trouble
spots" of their religion just to ease their own conscience. There are
some beliefs I can't respect no matter what, but in general, I can
respect a person with even some very noxious views if they're willing
to swallow the good with the bad. Few things are more detestable (or
more common) than hypocrisy. In this instance, Mel's not being a
hypocrite. Whatever I may think of his beliefs, I can really respect
him for that.
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L8r,
Bill
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"Is not the epitome of narcissism to
quote one's self?" - Me
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Mel Gibson says his wife could be going to hell |
11 Feb 2004 11:38:03 AM |
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In article <402a52e5$0$162$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>,
westley@visi.com says...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
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Merlyn LeRoy
Mel's missing a chemical or something...
BDK
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Mel Gibson says his wife could be going to hell |
11 Feb 2004 12:14:49 PM |
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In article <402a52e5$0$162$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>, Brian Westley says...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/
Mel Gibson has come under fire for being hard on Jews in his film
"The Passion of the Christ" -- but apparently, he feels that
Protestants are also doomed to damnation. In fact, it looks like Gibson,
a conservative Catholic, believes that his Episcopalian wife could be
going to hell.
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter
asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. "There
is no salvation for those outside the Church," Gibson replied. "I
believe it."
He elaborated: "Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much
better person than I am. Honestly. She's, like, Episcopalian, Church
of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she
believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't
make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from
the chair. I go with it."
I have a feeling Mel isn't going to be "gettin' any" for a while ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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