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05 Oct 2007 06:20:36 PM |
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Men Don't Wash Their Hands As Diligently as Women |
Mike the Mad Biologist at www.scienceblogs seems determined to work
his way ever deeper into my affection. It was via him I reached the
Salon article about parking and the environment and here he gets into
it over a survey showing that women are more diligent than men about
washing hands after a visit to the bathroom:
http://tinyurl.com/2k5nwf
But it's not a simple correlation. The visitors at a sports event in
Atlanta were (unsurprisingly in my opinion) far less hygienic than
visitors to the Shedd Aquarium.
No, that's not an aquarium in a shed, it's the Chicago Shedd Aquarium
where 81% of both males and females washed, whereas at Atlanta's
Turner field, 95% of the women, bless 'em washed but only 57% of the
men before they went back out to feed their faces with feces.
I guess men think sports is good clean fun and women think the
aquarium is more sterile than the sports venue? Or maybe women know
only too well that the type of person who visits a museum or aquarium
is likely to be civilized whereas sports fans are animals, hence
requiring greater attention to hygiene?!
The benefit of hand washing has been known at least since the mid
nineteenth century. Why, well over 150 years later, are we still
unable to come clean on the topic? Do we have our fingers in our
rears?
Budikka
Budikka
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05 Oct 2007 09:06:55 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
Mike the Mad Biologist at www.scienceblogs seems determined to work
his way ever deeper into my affection. It was via him I reached the
Salon article about parking and the environment and here he gets into
it over a survey showing that women are more diligent than men about
washing hands after a visit to the bathroom:
http://tinyurl.com/2k5nwf
But it's not a simple correlation. The visitors at a sports event in
Atlanta were (unsurprisingly in my opinion) far less hygienic than
visitors to the Shedd Aquarium.
No, that's not an aquarium in a shed, it's the Chicago Shedd Aquarium
where 81% of both males and females washed, whereas at Atlanta's
Turner field, 95% of the women, bless 'em washed but only 57% of the
men before they went back out to feed their faces with feces.
Feces? You think guys are laying cable at the baseball game?
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| Title: Re: Men Don't Wash Their Hands As Diligently as Women |
06 Oct 2007 09:11:59 AM |
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On Oct 5, 9:06 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
Mike the Mad Biologist atwww.scienceblogsseems determined to work
his way ever deeper into my affection. It was via him I reached the
Salon article about parking and the environment and here he gets into
it over a survey showing that women are more diligent than men about
washing hands after a visit to the bathroom:
http://tinyurl.com/2k5nwf
But it's not a simple correlation. The visitors at a sports event in
Atlanta were (unsurprisingly in my opinion) far less hygienic than
visitors to the Shedd Aquarium.
No, that's not an aquarium in a shed, it's the Chicago Shedd Aquarium
where 81% of both males and females washed, whereas at Atlanta's
Turner field, 95% of the women, bless 'em washed but only 57% of the
men before they went back out to feed their faces with feces.
Feces? You think guys are laying cable at the baseball game?
Every time you flush, some of the water aerosolizes and carries germs
all over the bathroom. If you've touched anything in there, no matter
what your purpose was for being in there, you're contaminated!
Budikka
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| User: "Smiler" |
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06 Oct 2007 08:28:38 PM |
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1191679919.895634.88760@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 5, 9:06 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
Mike the Mad Biologist atwww.scienceblogsseems determined to work
his way ever deeper into my affection. It was via him I reached the
Salon article about parking and the environment and here he gets into
it over a survey showing that women are more diligent than men about
washing hands after a visit to the bathroom:
http://tinyurl.com/2k5nwf
But it's not a simple correlation. The visitors at a sports event in
Atlanta were (unsurprisingly in my opinion) far less hygienic than
visitors to the Shedd Aquarium.
No, that's not an aquarium in a shed, it's the Chicago Shedd Aquarium
where 81% of both males and females washed, whereas at Atlanta's
Turner field, 95% of the women, bless 'em washed but only 57% of the
men before they went back out to feed their faces with feces.
Feces? You think guys are laying cable at the baseball game?
Every time you flush, some of the water aerosolizes and carries germs
all over the bathroom. If you've touched anything in there, no matter
what your purpose was for being in there, you're contaminated!
What, in a public 'bathroom', do men need to touch when using a urinal?
No flushing required, as they're automatically flushed.
Just point and spray and walk away!
I'm not arguing with your comments about handwashing, though.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
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07 Oct 2007 01:09:02 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
On Oct 5, 9:06 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
Mike the Mad Biologist atwww.scienceblogsseems determined to work
his way ever deeper into my affection. It was via him I reached the
Salon article about parking and the environment and here he gets
into it over a survey showing that women are more diligent than men
about washing hands after a visit to the bathroom:
http://tinyurl.com/2k5nwf
But it's not a simple correlation. The visitors at a sports event
in Atlanta were (unsurprisingly in my opinion) far less hygienic
than visitors to the Shedd Aquarium.
No, that's not an aquarium in a shed, it's the Chicago Shedd
Aquarium where 81% of both males and females washed, whereas at
Atlanta's Turner field, 95% of the women, bless 'em washed but only
57% of the men before they went back out to feed their faces with
feces.
Feces? You think guys are laying cable at the baseball game?
Every time you flush, some of the water aerosolizes and carries germs
all over the bathroom. If you've touched anything in there, no matter
what your purpose was for being in there, you're contaminated!
So if what your saying is right, I probably shouldn't be licking the door
handles. Thanks!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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08 Oct 2007 10:29:00 AM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:87GdnYoTVKFWvZTanZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@giganews.com...
Budikka666 wrote:
On Oct 5, 9:06 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
Mike the Mad Biologist atwww.scienceblogsseems determined to work
his way ever deeper into my affection. It was via him I reached the
Salon article about parking and the environment and here he gets
into it over a survey showing that women are more diligent than men
about washing hands after a visit to the bathroom:
http://tinyurl.com/2k5nwf
But it's not a simple correlation. The visitors at a sports event
in Atlanta were (unsurprisingly in my opinion) far less hygienic
than visitors to the Shedd Aquarium.
No, that's not an aquarium in a shed, it's the Chicago Shedd
Aquarium where 81% of both males and females washed, whereas at
Atlanta's Turner field, 95% of the women, bless 'em washed but only
57% of the men before they went back out to feed their faces with
feces.
Feces? You think guys are laying cable at the baseball game?
Every time you flush, some of the water aerosolizes and carries germs
all over the bathroom. If you've touched anything in there, no matter
what your purpose was for being in there, you're contaminated!
So if what your saying is right, I probably shouldn't be licking the door
handles. Thanks!
Eeeeewww! :P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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06 Oct 2007 12:19:18 PM |
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:11:59 -0700, in alt.atheism , Budikka666
<budikka1@netscape.net> in
<1191679919.895634.88760@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 9:06 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
Mike the Mad Biologist atwww.scienceblogsseems determined to work
his way ever deeper into my affection. It was via him I reached the
Salon article about parking and the environment and here he gets into
it over a survey showing that women are more diligent than men about
washing hands after a visit to the bathroom:
http://tinyurl.com/2k5nwf
But it's not a simple correlation. The visitors at a sports event in
Atlanta were (unsurprisingly in my opinion) far less hygienic than
visitors to the Shedd Aquarium.
No, that's not an aquarium in a shed, it's the Chicago Shedd Aquarium
where 81% of both males and females washed, whereas at Atlanta's
Turner field, 95% of the women, bless 'em washed but only 57% of the
men before they went back out to feed their faces with feces.
Feces? You think guys are laying cable at the baseball game?
Every time you flush, some of the water aerosolizes and carries germs
all over the bathroom. If you've touched anything in there, no matter
what your purpose was for being in there, you're contaminated!
After I read _The Coming Plague_, a book about emergent diseases, I
wanted to wrap my entire body in plastic and avoid touching anything
ever again. Thank's for reminding me.
BTW, everyone, close the seat cover before flushing.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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07 Oct 2007 09:20:14 PM |
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On Oct 6, 12:19 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:11:59 -0700, in alt.atheism , Budikka666
<budik...@netscape.net> in
<1191679919.895634.88...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 9:06 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
Mike the Mad Biologist atwww.scienceblogsseemsdetermined to work
his way ever deeper into my affection. It was via him I reached the
Salon article about parking and the environment and here he gets into
it over a survey showing that women are more diligent than men about
washing hands after a visit to the bathroom:
http://tinyurl.com/2k5nwf
But it's not a simple correlation. The visitors at a sports event in
Atlanta were (unsurprisingly in my opinion) far less hygienic than
visitors to the Shedd Aquarium.
No, that's not an aquarium in a shed, it's the Chicago Shedd Aquarium
where 81% of both males and females washed, whereas at Atlanta's
Turner field, 95% of the women, bless 'em washed but only 57% of the
men before they went back out to feed their faces with feces.
Feces? You think guys are laying cable at the baseball game?
Every time you flush, some of the water aerosolizes and carries germs
all over the bathroom. If you've touched anything in there, no matter
what your purpose was for being in there, you're contaminated!
After I read _The Coming Plague_, a book about emergent diseases, I
wanted to wrap my entire body in plastic and avoid touching anything
ever again. Thank's for reminding me.
BTW, everyone, close the seat cover before flushing.
Finally we agree on something! A great (and scary) book.
Budikka
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08 Oct 2007 09:46:37 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:20:14 -0700, in alt.atheism , Budikka666
<budikka1@netscape.net> in
<1191810014.675679.159680@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 12:19 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:11:59 -0700, in alt.atheism , Budikka666
<budik...@netscape.net> in
<1191679919.895634.88...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 9:06 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
Mike the Mad Biologist atwww.scienceblogsseemsdetermined to work
his way ever deeper into my affection. It was via him I reached the
Salon article about parking and the environment and here he gets into
it over a survey showing that women are more diligent than men about
washing hands after a visit to the bathroom:
http://tinyurl.com/2k5nwf
But it's not a simple correlation. The visitors at a sports event in
Atlanta were (unsurprisingly in my opinion) far less hygienic than
visitors to the Shedd Aquarium.
No, that's not an aquarium in a shed, it's the Chicago Shedd Aquarium
where 81% of both males and females washed, whereas at Atlanta's
Turner field, 95% of the women, bless 'em washed but only 57% of the
men before they went back out to feed their faces with feces.
Feces? You think guys are laying cable at the baseball game?
Every time you flush, some of the water aerosolizes and carries germs
all over the bathroom. If you've touched anything in there, no matter
what your purpose was for being in there, you're contaminated!
After I read _The Coming Plague_, a book about emergent diseases, I
wanted to wrap my entire body in plastic and avoid touching anything
ever again. Thank's for reminding me.
BTW, everyone, close the seat cover before flushing.
Finally we agree on something!
We agree on 99% of material and about 1% of tactics.
A great (and scary) book.
You read the book and keep saying to yourself "it is only a book, it
is only a book". Then you remember that it is non-fiction.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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06 Oct 2007 07:47:47 PM |
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Of course, humanity didn't get this far by washing our hands all the time.
I've noticed, not that I spend a lot of time hanging around public
toilets, that if there are paper towels available, men are more likely
to wash their hands. Air dryers rarely get used, and if they do, not
properly.
Its always a dilemma how to open a door when the guy who just went out
didn't wash his hands. I think the basins are on the wrong side of the
door....
g.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "William Wingstedt" |
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05 Oct 2007 10:53:18 PM |
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:20:36 -0700, Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:
Mike the Mad Biologist at www.scienceblogs seems determined to work
his way ever deeper into my affection. It was via him I reached the
Salon article about parking and the environment and here he gets into
it over a survey showing that women are more diligent than men about
washing hands after a visit to the bathroom:
http://tinyurl.com/2k5nwf
But it's not a simple correlation. The visitors at a sports event in
Atlanta were (unsurprisingly in my opinion) far less hygienic than
visitors to the Shedd Aquarium.
No, that's not an aquarium in a shed, it's the Chicago Shedd Aquarium
where 81% of both males and females washed, whereas at Atlanta's
Turner field, 95% of the women, bless 'em washed but only 57% of the
men before they went back out to feed their faces with feces.
I guess men think sports is good clean fun and women think the
aquarium is more sterile than the sports venue? Or maybe women know
only too well that the type of person who visits a museum or aquarium
is likely to be civilized whereas sports fans are animals, hence
requiring greater attention to hygiene?!
The benefit of hand washing has been known at least since the mid
nineteenth century. Why, well over 150 years later, are we still
unable to come clean on the topic? Do we have our fingers in our
rears?
Budikka
A Harvard graduate and a Yale graduate are both in the Men's room. The
Harvard man finishes his business and heads towards the door. The Yale
man says, "At Yale, we were taught to wash our hands after peeing"
Without breaking stride, the Harvard man says, "At Harvard, we were
taught not to pee on our hands."
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Oct 2007 09:00:43 AM |
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:20:36 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
I guess men think sports is good clean fun and women think the aquarium
is more sterile than the sports venue? Or maybe women know only too
well that the type of person who visits a museum or aquarium is likely
to be civilized whereas sports fans are animals, hence requiring greater
attention to hygiene?!
The benefit of hand washing has been known at least since the mid
nineteenth century. Why, well over 150 years later, are we still unable
to come clean on the topic? Do we have our fingers in our rears?
I dunno but having seen how many men come in to the restroom and leave
while I'm washing my hands, I've been avoiding shaking hands for some
time now.
But here's the worst part:
Even if you do wash your hands, you have to touch the door handle
everybody else has touched. And the doors--if there is one--always open
inward so you can't, say, push it with your foot or something.
(Ironically enough, at places like stadiums, they don't tend to have
doors at all, just privacy walls, so you may actually be safer.)
And, no, I'm not turning into Howard Hughes or anything with some weird
fear of germs. It's that the biggest vector we have now for things like
the flu being passed around is, well, stupidity. Trivial things like wash
your hands frequently are neglected and people pass their germs around.
It annoys the crap out of me as we're not talking about anything that
takes all that much effort...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“Whenever you hear a man speak of his love for his
country, it is a sign that he expects to be paid for it.”
- H. L. Mencken
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06 Oct 2007 09:09:47 AM |
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On Oct 6, 9:00 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:20:36 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
I guess men think sports is good clean fun and women think the aquarium
is more sterile than the sports venue? Or maybe women know only too
well that the type of person who visits a museum or aquarium is likely
to be civilized whereas sports fans are animals, hence requiring greater
attention to hygiene?!
The benefit of hand washing has been known at least since the mid
nineteenth century. Why, well over 150 years later, are we still unable
to come clean on the topic? Do we have our fingers in our rears?
I dunno but having seen how many men come in to the restroom and leave
while I'm washing my hands, I've been avoiding shaking hands for some
time now.
But here's the worst part:
Even if you do wash your hands, you have to touch the door handle
everybody else has touched. And the doors--if there is one--always open
inward so you can't, say, push it with your foot or something.
(Ironically enough, at places like stadiums, they don't tend to have
doors at all, just privacy walls, so you may actually be safer.)
And, no, I'm not turning into Howard Hughes or anything with some weird
fear of germs. It's that the biggest vector we have now for things like
the flu being passed around is, well, stupidity. Trivial things like wash
your hands frequently are neglected and people pass their germs around.
It annoys the crap out of me as we're not talking about anything that
takes all that much effort...
I'm with you 100% on this.
Maybe they need to insist on having doors with handles on all
bathrooms, and when you pull the handle to open the door, it sprays a
mild disinfectant all over your hand! How 'bout that?!
But public bathroom habits of people in general are abysmal - from
guys peeing without lifting the seat, to flushing when you start
peeing instead of afterwards. I've never understood that one.
Then there's Larry Craig....
Budikka
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06 Oct 2007 12:17:14 PM |
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In article <1191679787.144234.64140
@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Budikka666 said...
It annoys the crap out of me as we're not talking about anything that
takes all that much effort...
I'm with you 100% on this.
I hear Home Depot is having a sale on plastic bubbles
this weekend...
;-)
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Oct 2007 09:27:42 AM |
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:17:14 -0400, Brian E. Clark wrote:
In article <1191679787.144234.64140
@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Budikka666 said...
It annoys the crap out of me as we're not talking about anything that
takes all that much effort...
I'm with you 100% on this.
I hear Home Depot is having a sale on plastic bubbles this weekend...
;-)
Well, I wouldn't go all Howard Hughes about it. But it is irritating.
It's such a simple thing and we'd all pass around fewer bugs.
I have a family member with a damaged immune system from the overuse of
antibiotics common in previous years (and still too prevalent now) and
watching that, I've become something of a fanatic about mine. Being
exposed to *some* is actually a good thing since the immune system needs,
well, call it "work outs"? Avoiding antibiotics except in cases of
serious infection has also made a difference. Most years, the worst thing
I have are my allergies.
But *some* of the crap people are passing around these days... yeesh.
There's an adult ear infection in the wild now. Used to be just kids. Not
any more.
And, man, it *HURTS* let me tell you. No wonder kids with those things
scream bloody murder. I was about to myself. <g>
I caught that about three years ago. That was the last fever causing bug
I've had (so far, so good). Probably picked it up at a hospital since I
was around them so much (Bob was in and out of them toward the end and I
half lived in one).
(Thinking about it, maybe I *should* take disinfectant if I have to go
inside a hospital. Those places'll kill ya.)
Anyway. I've tossed the "anti-bacterial" products (which everybody should
junk, you're breeding superbugs in your house using those) and avoid
antibiotics unless I develop a serious fever (which I define as over two
degrees and having a "normal" temp of about 99 or a hair over, means it
has to pass 101 before I do the doctor thing).
Funny thing. Years of being bitched at by my nurse relatives about
smoking, I am now the healthiest of the bunch. Which leads me to suspect
we, as a nation, must be killing ourselves. I've just been doing some
rather simple things over the years but still haven't managed to quit
smoking and *still* am healthier at 45 than I was fifteen years ago.
Which I find a bit suspicious. But there it is...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“The worst government is often the most moral.
One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane.
But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression.”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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20 Oct 2007 08:09:06 PM |
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In article
<WbudnbPUwrhDcZXanZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Mark
K. Bilbo said...
I have a family member with a damaged immune system from the overuse of
antibiotics common in previous years (and still too prevalent now) and
watching that, I've become something of a fanatic about mine. Being
exposed to *some* is actually a good thing since the immune system needs,
well, call it "work outs"?
Of my friends with children, those mothers who let
their children play outside often, who allow them to
get good and dirty, have the healthiest kids.
Of those mothers who rub their child's hands with
disinfectant wipes every time Junior gets a smudge, or
brushes against a bug: well, they seem to have have
perennially ill, sniffly, more allergy-prone children.
Anecdotal, of course, but suggestive to me.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "JQPublic" |
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21 Oct 2007 11:40:32 AM |
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Brian E. Clark wrote:
In article
<WbudnbPUwrhDcZXanZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Mark
K. Bilbo said...
I have a family member with a damaged immune system from the overuse of
antibiotics common in previous years (and still too prevalent now) and
watching that, I've become something of a fanatic about mine. Being
exposed to *some* is actually a good thing since the immune system needs,
well, call it "work outs"?
Of my friends with children, those mothers who let
their children play outside often, who allow them to
get good and dirty, have the healthiest kids.
Of those mothers who rub their child's hands with
disinfectant wipes every time Junior gets a smudge, or
brushes against a bug: well, they seem to have have
perennially ill, sniffly, more allergy-prone children.
Anecdotal, of course, but suggestive to me.
I read somewhere that kiddies that grow up in houses with cats and dogs
end up with less allergies. Dunno if it's true. Worked for me.
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21 Oct 2007 09:27:31 AM |
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:09:06 -0400, Brian E. Clark wrote:
In article
<WbudnbPUwrhDcZXanZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Mark K. Bilbo said...
I have a family member with a damaged immune system from the overuse of
antibiotics common in previous years (and still too prevalent now) and
watching that, I've become something of a fanatic about mine. Being
exposed to *some* is actually a good thing since the immune system
needs, well, call it "work outs"?
Of my friends with children, those mothers who let their children play
outside often, who allow them to get good and dirty, have the healthiest
kids.
Of those mothers who rub their child's hands with disinfectant wipes
every time Junior gets a smudge, or brushes against a bug: well, they
seem to have have perennially ill, sniffly, more allergy-prone children.
Anecdotal, of course, but suggestive to me.
It's beyond anecdotes, we *know* there's a cause and effect relationship.
I don't have cites handy but we know what's going on. And the parents who
do the hyper-clean, hyper-sterile thing are crippling their children's
immune systems.
One of the interesting things about our species which enables us to
occupy so many niches and literally span the globe is our immune systems
"learn" from the environment. Kids that are exposed to it--such as
playing outside, getting dirty, playing with other kids--they're the ones
whose immune systems are "learning" the local conditions.
It's really the same principle we use for vaccines. Vaccines expose your
immune system to the disease (in a controlled fashion, yes).
(Man, like that flu shot I got last week. One or more of the ones they're
vaccinating against must be "new" to my system. I rarely get sick from
the vaccine but this time, I was miserable most of the week. I take that
to mean one or more of the bugs they were inoculating against would knock
me down *good* so I'd rather have a bad week than the flu they're
thinking is coming this year.)
Keeping your kids "sterile" is crippling them. You may actually shorten
their life spans.
In fact, the way we've been going, I wouldn't be surprised to see our
life expectancy begin to drop. It's already been slowing in gains which
is why we're falling behind other countries now. But this overuse of
antibiotics even in our *cleaning* products is going to cripple an entire
generation.
And that's on top of the obesity problem. Kids are showing up with
problems never seen before in children. This country doesn't just seem to
neglect the health of its citizens, it seems actively hostile toward it...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“The most dangerous man to any government is the
man who is able to think things out... without regard
to the prevailing superstitions and taboos.
Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the
government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.”
- H. L. Mencken
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08 Oct 2007 04:57:43 PM |
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On Oct 6, 7:09 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:00 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:20:36 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
I guess men think sports is good clean fun and women think the aquarium
is more sterile than the sports venue? Or maybe women know only too
well that the type of person who visits a museum or aquarium is likely
to be civilized whereas sports fans are animals, hence requiring greater
attention to hygiene?!
The benefit of hand washing has been known at least since the mid
nineteenth century. Why, well over 150 years later, are we still unable
to come clean on the topic? Do we have our fingers in our rears?
I dunno but having seen how many men come in to the restroom and leave
while I'm washing my hands, I've been avoiding shaking hands for some
time now.
But here's the worst part:
Even if you do wash your hands, you have to touch the door handle
everybody else has touched. And the doors--if there is one--always open
inward so you can't, say, push it with your foot or something.
(Ironically enough, at places like stadiums, they don't tend to have
doors at all, just privacy walls, so you may actually be safer.)
And, no, I'm not turning into Howard Hughes or anything with some weird
fear of germs. It's that the biggest vector we have now for things like
the flu being passed around is, well, stupidity. Trivial things like wash
your hands frequently are neglected and people pass their germs around.
It annoys the crap out of me as we're not talking about anything that
takes all that much effort...
I'm with you 100% on this.
Maybe they need to insist on having doors with handles on all
bathrooms, and when you pull the handle to open the door, it sprays a
mild disinfectant all over your hand! How 'bout that?!
Er...I suspect that would just end up contributing to ever-more-
resistant germs.
But public bathroom habits of people in general are abysmal - from
guys peeing without lifting the seat, to flushing when you start
peeing instead of afterwards. I've never understood that one.
Then there's Larry Craig....
Don't. Just...don't. <Shudder>
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Oct 2007 09:11:12 AM |
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:09:47 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:00 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:20:36 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
I guess men think sports is good clean fun and women think the
aquarium is more sterile than the sports venue? Or maybe women know
only too well that the type of person who visits a museum or aquarium
is likely to be civilized whereas sports fans are animals, hence
requiring greater attention to hygiene?!
The benefit of hand washing has been known at least since the mid
nineteenth century. Why, well over 150 years later, are we still
unable to come clean on the topic? Do we have our fingers in our
rears?
I dunno but having seen how many men come in to the restroom and leave
while I'm washing my hands, I've been avoiding shaking hands for some
time now.
But here's the worst part:
Even if you do wash your hands, you have to touch the door handle
everybody else has touched. And the doors--if there is one--always open
inward so you can't, say, push it with your foot or something.
(Ironically enough, at places like stadiums, they don't tend to have
doors at all, just privacy walls, so you may actually be safer.)
And, no, I'm not turning into Howard Hughes or anything with some weird
fear of germs. It's that the biggest vector we have now for things like
the flu being passed around is, well, stupidity. Trivial things like
wash your hands frequently are neglected and people pass their germs
around.
It annoys the crap out of me as we're not talking about anything that
takes all that much effort...
I'm with you 100% on this.
Maybe they need to insist on having doors with handles on all bathrooms,
and when you pull the handle to open the door, it sprays a mild
disinfectant all over your hand! How 'bout that?!
Actually, there's a new application for silver in a coating that kills
germs. I'm thinking it should be required on all bathroom handles (not
just the doors) when it hits the market.
In the mean time, maybe I could wear one glove and call it "fashion"? <g>
But public bathroom habits of people in general are abysmal - from guys
peeing without lifting the seat, to flushing when you start peeing
instead of afterwards. I've never understood that one.
Then there's Larry Craig....
Oh. Great. I'll never be able to pee again...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“The religious man, starting out with an outfit of
irrational postulates and untenable hopes, tries to
fit them into the facts of a harshly material world.
In the process he must do violence to both.”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Men Don't Wash Their Hands As Diligently as Women |
08 Oct 2007 05:03:31 PM |
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On Oct 7, 7:11 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:09:47 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:00 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:20:36 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
I guess men think sports is good clean fun and women think the
aquarium is more sterile than the sports venue? Or maybe women know
only too well that the type of person who visits a museum or aquarium
is likely to be civilized whereas sports fans are animals, hence
requiring greater attention to hygiene?!
The benefit of hand washing has been known at least since the mid
nineteenth century. Why, well over 150 years later, are we still
unable to come clean on the topic? Do we have our fingers in our
rears?
I dunno but having seen how many men come in to the restroom and leave
while I'm washing my hands, I've been avoiding shaking hands for some
time now.
But here's the worst part:
Even if you do wash your hands, you have to touch the door handle
everybody else has touched. And the doors--if there is one--always open
inward so you can't, say, push it with your foot or something.
(Ironically enough, at places like stadiums, they don't tend to have
doors at all, just privacy walls, so you may actually be safer.)
And, no, I'm not turning into Howard Hughes or anything with some weird
fear of germs. It's that the biggest vector we have now for things like
the flu being passed around is, well, stupidity. Trivial things like
wash your hands frequently are neglected and people pass their germs
around.
It annoys the crap out of me as we're not talking about anything that
takes all that much effort...
I'm with you 100% on this.
Maybe they need to insist on having doors with handles on all bathrooms,
and when you pull the handle to open the door, it sprays a mild
disinfectant all over your hand! How 'bout that?!
Actually, there's a new application for silver in a coating that kills
germs. I'm thinking it should be required on all bathroom handles (not
just the doors) when it hits the market.
There's also a line of plastic food-storage containers that are made
of a plastic that's impregnated with silver. Food keeps long when
stored in them. And have you ever used those Band-Aids with silver in
the gel-like pad? When my mom was alive, I used to use them on her,
as she had a compromised immune system as a result of having gone
through chemotherapy.
BTW, it's messy, but a good thing to dress wounds with is honey.
Bacteria can't grow in it. You can use it to embalm your dead
parakeet too, if you want. (No, I haven't tried it for that purpose,
I'm just saying. <G>)
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Men Don't Wash Their Hands As Diligently as Women |
13 Oct 2007 07:54:48 AM |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:03:31 -0700, skyeyes wrote:
On Oct 7, 7:11 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:09:47 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:00 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:20:36 -0700, Budikka666 wrote:
I guess men think sports is good clean fun and women think the
aquarium is more sterile than the sports venue? Or maybe women
know only too well that the type of person who visits a museum or
aquarium is likely to be civilized whereas sports fans are
animals, hence requiring greater attention to hygiene?!
The benefit of hand washing has been known at least since the mid
nineteenth century. Why, well over 150 years later, are we still
unable to come clean on the topic? Do we have our fingers in our
rears?
I dunno but having seen how many men come in to the restroom and
leave while I'm washing my hands, I've been avoiding shaking hands
for some time now.
But here's the worst part:
Even if you do wash your hands, you have to touch the door handle
everybody else has touched. And the doors--if there is one--always
open inward so you can't, say, push it with your foot or something.
(Ironically enough, at places like stadiums, they don't tend to have
doors at all, just privacy walls, so you may actually be safer.)
And, no, I'm not turning into Howard Hughes or anything with some
weird fear of germs. It's that the biggest vector we have now for
things like the flu being passed around is, well, stupidity. Trivial
things like wash your hands frequently are neglected and people pass
their germs around.
It annoys the crap out of me as we're not talking about anything
that takes all that much effort...
I'm with you 100% on this.
Maybe they need to insist on having doors with handles on all
bathrooms, and when you pull the handle to open the door, it sprays a
mild disinfectant all over your hand! How 'bout that?!
Actually, there's a new application for silver in a coating that kills
germs. I'm thinking it should be required on all bathroom handles (not
just the doors) when it hits the market.
There's also a line of plastic food-storage containers that are made of
a plastic that's impregnated with silver. Food keeps long when stored
in them. And have you ever used those Band-Aids with silver in the
gel-like pad? When my mom was alive, I used to use them on her, as she
had a compromised immune system as a result of having gone through
chemotherapy.
Is that what that was? One of the dogs clawed me good by accident once
and there was this New Thing on the shelves that had a funny gel like pad
and promised to reduce scarring and what the hell.
It was kinda weird but it worked.
BTW, it's messy, but a good thing to dress wounds with is honey.
Bacteria can't grow in it. You can use it to embalm your dead parakeet
too, if you want. (No, I haven't tried it for that purpose, I'm just
saying. <G>)
The things you learn on Usenet...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“Communism, like any other revealed religion,
is largely made up of prophecies.”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Men Don't Wash Their Hands As Diligently as Women |
13 Oct 2007 03:46:04 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:54:48 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:03:31 -0700, skyeyes wrote:
BTW, it's messy, but a good thing to dress wounds with is honey.
Bacteria can't grow in it. You can use it to embalm your dead parakeet
too, if you want. (No, I haven't tried it for that purpose, I'm just
saying. <G>)
The things you learn on Usenet...
There are many antibiotics in honey. After all, to a bee, honey is
baby food.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"Nothing in biology makes sense without evolution."
- Theodosuis Dobzhansky
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: Men Don't Wash Their Hands As Diligently as Women |
14 Oct 2007 08:55:34 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:qib2h31l7tupdap9aai5c161gll5gojj8m@4ax.com:
After all, to a bee, honey is baby food.
To a bee, it's also vomit.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Men Don't Wash Their Hands As Diligently as Women |
06 Oct 2007 12:17:54 PM |
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:20:36 -0700, in alt.atheism , Budikka666
<budikka1@netscape.net> in
<1191626436.228036.208490@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Mike the Mad Biologist at www.scienceblogs seems determined to work
his way ever deeper into my affection. It was via him I reached the
Salon article about parking and the environment and here he gets into
it over a survey showing that women are more diligent than men about
washing hands after a visit to the bathroom:
http://tinyurl.com/2k5nwf
But it's not a simple correlation. The visitors at a sports event in
Atlanta were (unsurprisingly in my opinion) far less hygienic than
visitors to the Shedd Aquarium.
No, that's not an aquarium in a shed, it's the Chicago Shedd Aquarium
where 81% of both males and females washed, whereas at Atlanta's
Turner field, 95% of the women, bless 'em washed but only 57% of the
men before they went back out to feed their faces with feces.
I guess men think sports is good clean fun and women think the
aquarium is more sterile than the sports venue? Or maybe women know
only too well that the type of person who visits a museum or aquarium
is likely to be civilized whereas sports fans are animals, hence
requiring greater attention to hygiene?!
The benefit of hand washing has been known at least since the mid
nineteenth century. Why, well over 150 years later, are we still
unable to come clean on the topic? Do we have our fingers in our
rears?
There is also something else to consider. I read somewhere
(pre-Internet days, I am not going to look it up unless it matters)
that women's restrooms where dirtier than men's, at least in terms of
bacteria. Which makes sense considering that men can take a *****
without touching anything they did not bring in with them and
considering that women will do lots more diaper changing. So the
higher % of handwashing makes sense given the restroom environment.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Medusa" |
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| Title: Re: Men Don't Wash Their Hands As Diligently as Women |
05 Oct 2007 07:00:15 PM |
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On Oct 5, 6:20 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Mike the Mad Biologist atwww.scienceblogsseems determined to work
his way ever deeper into my affection. It was via him I reached the
Salon article about parking and the environment and here he gets into
it over a survey showing that women are more diligent than men about
washing hands after a visit to the bathroom:http://tinyurl.com/2k5nwf
But it's not a simple correlation. The visitors at a sports event in
Atlanta were (unsurprisingly in my opinion) far less hygienic than
visitors to the Shedd Aquarium.
No, that's not an aquarium in a shed, it's the Chicago Shedd Aquarium
LOL! And the Field Museum in Chicago is not in a field; it was built
by a member of the once illustrious Field family (great dinosaur
skeletons there, BTW.)
where 81% of both males and females washed, whereas at Atlanta's
Turner field, 95% of the women, bless 'em washed but only 57% of the
men before they went back out to feed their faces with feces.
Ugh! But, if the bathrooms at Turner Field are anything like those at
Chicago's Wrigley Field, I can understand why males didn't hang around
long enough to wash their hands.
"Keep your filthy fingers out of my nachos!"
Medusa
AA #2281
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Men Don't Wash Their Hands As Diligently as Women |
07 Oct 2007 01:56:33 PM |
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On Oct 5, 7:20 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Mike the Mad Biologist atwww.scienceblogsseems determined to work
his way ever deeper into my affection. It was via him I reached the
Salon article about parking and the environment and here he gets into
it over a survey showing that women are more diligent than men about
washing hands after a visit to the bathroom:http://tinyurl.com/2k5nwf
But it's not a simple correlation. The visitors at a sports event in
Atlanta were (unsurprisingly in my opinion) far less hygienic than
visitors to the Shedd Aquarium.
No, that's not an aquarium in a shed, it's the Chicago Shedd Aquarium
where 81% of both males and females washed, whereas at Atlanta's
Turner field, 95% of the women, bless 'em washed but only 57% of the
men before they went back out to feed their faces with feces.
I guess men think sports is good clean fun and women think the
aquarium is more sterile than the sports venue? Or maybe women know
only too well that the type of person who visits a museum or aquarium
is likely to be civilized whereas sports fans are animals, hence
requiring greater attention to hygiene?!
The benefit of hand washing has been known at least since the mid
nineteenth century. Why, well over 150 years later, are we still
unable to come clean on the topic? Do we have our fingers in our
rears?
Frequent low-level exposure to pathogens strengthens immunity.
I wonder if working in a garden every day isn't one of the reasons
I kicked Lyme a couple of months ago.
That said, antibiotic hand soaps are no more effective than
regular soap in killing germs (and possibly worse in that they
help breed resistant strains). Soap combined with brisk
scrubbing dissolves the fatty component of bacterial cell
membranes, destroying them. It would kill our skin cells
too, if not for our protective layer of dead epidermis.
The great majority of "germs" are beneficial, case in point
being the bacteria that create vitamin K, essential for blood
clotting, IIRC. We carry more bacterial cells in our guts
than we do our own cells in our entire bodies. Killing them
off would probably kill us off soon after.
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