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"UK Ministry of St Luke" |
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14 Dec 2005 05:45:58 AM |
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Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it. |
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Christmas is a cherished time of year when Americans come together and
celebrate something bigger than ourselves, something that has united us for
generations. An event that is the center of all history-the birth of Jesus
Christ.
Surveys show that 95% of Americans celebrate Christmas. Yet, due to
political correctness, disinformation, and even the threat of lawsuits from
the ACLU and its allies, religious expression at Christmastime is
increasingly absent from the public square. Slowly, this holy day is being
turned into a secular "solstice season."
The Alliance Defense Fund works year-round to preserve and protect our
religious liberties, including the right to.
....sing Christmas carols at school
....pass out candy canes to classmates
....call it "Christmas vacation"
....sponsor a nativity scene on public property
....say "Merry Christmas"
ADF wants all Americans to know the Truth-that they have the freedom to
celebrate Christmas publicly, joyfully, and without fear-for generations to
come! We are launching our annual national Christmas ProjectT to spread the
message, "Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it.T" Will you join with us?
http://www.saychristmas.org/main/default.aspx
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it. |
14 Dec 2005 08:00:53 AM |
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"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
news:sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com...
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
And nobody's stopping you from saying it. If others prefer not to say it,
that's their business. Live and let live - have you heard of this concept?
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| User: "dh" |
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15 Dec 2005 09:13:41 PM |
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"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
news:sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com...
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Christmas is a cherished time of year when Americans come together and
celebrate something bigger than ourselves, something that has united us
for
generations. An event that is the center of all history-the birth of
Jesus
Christ.
Surveys show that 95% of Americans celebrate Christmas. Yet, due to
political correctness, disinformation, and even the threat of lawsuits
from
the ACLU and its allies, religious expression at Christmastime is
increasingly absent from the public square. Slowly, this holy day is
being
turned into a secular "solstice season."
The Alliance Defense Fund works year-round to preserve and protect our
religious liberties, including the right to.
...sing Christmas carols at school
...pass out candy canes to classmates
...call it "Christmas vacation"
...sponsor a nativity scene on public property
...say "Merry Christmas"
ADF wants all Americans to know the Truth-that they have the freedom to
celebrate Christmas publicly, joyfully, and without fear-for generations
to
come! We are launching our annual national Christmas ProjectT to spread
the
message, "Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it.T" Will you join with us?
http://www.saychristmas.org/main/default.aspx
This "War" is in their heads. I was saying "Merry Christmas" before the ADF
came along and I'll be saying it after they've gone.
Some years agon, during Christmas shopping season, I started reoutinely
saying "Merry Christmas" to store clerks. True enough, none were offended
(I didn't say this to the few who looked Muslim - i.e., headscarf or named
"Mohammed"). But the clerks were usually surprised. "Merry Christmas" was
something they heard only very rarely, if at all. Why is that? We can
expect that 80% - or more - of Christmas shoppers would identify themselves
as Christians; why no address of Christmas cheer? Maybe because, as far as
most alleged Christians are concerned, the holiday is about consumption and
not something more spiritual and the idea of sharing joy of the season just
isn't something they're prepared to deal with.
Of course, the clerks were also grateful that I wasn't cursing, whining or
complaining - things they heard much more often than "Merry Christmas."
If "Merry Christmas" has been missing from the season, it's because alleged
Christians gave up its use years ago, not because secular humanists
suppressed it.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it. |
14 Dec 2005 09:40:16 AM |
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"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
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Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
yes?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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14 Dec 2005 06:34:31 AM |
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"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
news:sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com...
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Of course it is, moron.
And it's okay for me to say "Happy Holidays" as well. Know why I've always
done that? I know not everyone is christian and don't want to offend
anyone. A lot of people I know (and work with) are Jewish - why the hell
would I wish them a "Merry Christmas"? Happy Holidays covers everything.
Get over it.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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14 Dec 2005 07:34:12 AM |
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In <40ahqkF18tclaU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
news:sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com...
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Of course it is, moron.
And it's okay for me to say "Happy Holidays" as well. Know why I've
always done that? I know not everyone is christian and don't want to
offend anyone. A lot of people I know (and work with) are Jewish - why
the hell would I wish them a "Merry Christmas"? Happy Holidays covers
everything.
Get over it.
On the Daily Show last night, Stewart had two clips. The first with
Bill O'Reilly insisting non-Christians certainly aren't offended by people
saying "Merry Christmas," that the whole thing is just a tiny, tiny bunch
of malcotents. Then Bill O'Reilly insisting Christians are terribly
offended by "Happy Holidays."
My only question was: Why does O'Reilly have a job?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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14 Dec 2005 11:19:49 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:Dq2dnT22t-3Jgj3eRVn-gQ@megapath.net...
In <40ahqkF18tclaU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
news:sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com...
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Of course it is, moron.
And it's okay for me to say "Happy Holidays" as well. Know why I've
always done that? I know not everyone is christian and don't want to
offend anyone. A lot of people I know (and work with) are Jewish - why
the hell would I wish them a "Merry Christmas"? Happy Holidays covers
everything.
Get over it.
On the Daily Show last night, Stewart had two clips. The first with
Bill O'Reilly insisting non-Christians certainly aren't offended by people
saying "Merry Christmas," that the whole thing is just a tiny, tiny bunch
of malcotents. Then Bill O'Reilly insisting Christians are terribly
offended by "Happy Holidays."
LOL - Too funny ;)
My only question was: Why does O'Reilly have a job?
Beats the crap out of me ;P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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15 Dec 2005 07:38:47 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
UK Ministry of St Luke <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Of course it is, moron.
And it's okay for me to say "Happy Holidays" as well. Know why I've
always done that? I know not everyone is christian and don't want to
offend anyone. A lot of people I know (and work with) are Jewish - why
the hell would I wish them a "Merry Christmas"? Happy Holidays covers
everything.
Get over it.
On the Daily Show last night, Stewart had two clips. The first with
Bill O'Reilly insisting non-Christians certainly aren't offended by people
saying "Merry Christmas," that the whole thing is just a tiny, tiny bunch
of malcotents. Then Bill O'Reilly insisting Christians are terribly
offended by "Happy Holidays."
My only question was: Why does O'Reilly have a job?
I watched O'Reilly on the Daily Show a month or two ago, and he pretty
much said not to believe most of the things he says on his show, or
that what he says is intended to stir up trouble, even though he
doesn't personally believe a lot of what he says on the show. I
didn't know whether to believe him or not.
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it. |
15 Dec 2005 07:36:42 PM |
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In <p7s2q1ljihule45ifq79kshjuj84cq27un@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
UK Ministry of St Luke <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Of course it is, moron.
And it's okay for me to say "Happy Holidays" as well. Know why I've
always done that? I know not everyone is christian and don't want to
offend anyone. A lot of people I know (and work with) are Jewish - why
the hell would I wish them a "Merry Christmas"? Happy Holidays covers
everything.
Get over it.
On the Daily Show last night, Stewart had two clips. The first with Bill
O'Reilly insisting non-Christians certainly aren't offended by people
saying "Merry Christmas," that the whole thing is just a tiny, tiny
bunch of malcotents. Then Bill O'Reilly insisting Christians are
terribly offended by "Happy Holidays."
My only question was: Why does O'Reilly have a job?
I watched O'Reilly on the Daily Show a month or two ago, and he pretty
much said not to believe most of the things he says on his show, or that
what he says is intended to stir up trouble, even though he doesn't
personally believe a lot of what he says on the show. I didn't know
whether to believe him or not.
I could believe it. Years back, I saw Limbaugh essentially
admit--online--that it was all about the ratings. Some other things he's
said and done over the years has convinced me he's basically nothing but a
ratings *****.
I'm betting that's true of not insignificant number in the shreiking head
set. Like Coulter. I don't believe Coulter gives a flying ***** about a
single principle other than she deserves more money...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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16 Dec 2005 06:16:52 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
My only question was: Why does O'Reilly have a job?
I watched O'Reilly on the Daily Show a month or two ago, and he pretty
much said not to believe most of the things he says on his show, or that
what he says is intended to stir up trouble, even though he doesn't
personally believe a lot of what he says on the show. I didn't know
whether to believe him or not.
I could believe it. Years back, I saw Limbaugh essentially
admit--online--that it was all about the ratings. Some other things he's
said and done over the years has convinced me he's basically nothing but a
ratings *****.
Kinda like Howard Stern. I watched part of his movie last night while
channel flipping. A lot of what he says and does is just to get a
rise out of the audience and keep the ratings up and people tuning in
to his show.
I'm betting that's true of not insignificant number in the shreiking head
set. Like Coulter. I don't believe Coulter gives a flying ***** about a
single principle other than she deserves more money...
You're probably right. I wonder if the same applies to Sean Hannity.
I think maybe he's for real, but can't be sure...
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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16 Dec 2005 06:27:38 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:smb5q15fmnep4bdk85831c751enks5vm3r@4ax.com...
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
My only question was: Why does O'Reilly have a job?
I watched O'Reilly on the Daily Show a month or two ago, and he pretty
much said not to believe most of the things he says on his show, or that
what he says is intended to stir up trouble, even though he doesn't
personally believe a lot of what he says on the show. I didn't know
whether to believe him or not.
I could believe it. Years back, I saw Limbaugh essentially
admit--online--that it was all about the ratings. Some other things he's
said and done over the years has convinced me he's basically nothing but
a
ratings *****.
Kinda like Howard Stern. I watched part of his movie last night while
channel flipping. A lot of what he says and does is just to get a
rise out of the audience and keep the ratings up and people tuning in
to his show.
LOL - Gee, ya think?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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16 Dec 2005 09:47:37 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:27:38 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:smb5q15fmnep4bdk85831c751enks5vm3r@4ax.com...
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
My only question was: Why does O'Reilly have a job?
I watched O'Reilly on the Daily Show a month or two ago, and he pretty
much said not to believe most of the things he says on his show, or that
what he says is intended to stir up trouble, even though he doesn't
personally believe a lot of what he says on the show. I didn't know
whether to believe him or not.
I could believe it. Years back, I saw Limbaugh essentially
admit--online--that it was all about the ratings. Some other things he's
said and done over the years has convinced me he's basically nothing but
a
ratings *****.
Kinda like Howard Stern. I watched part of his movie last night while
channel flipping. A lot of what he says and does is just to get a
rise out of the audience and keep the ratings up and people tuning in
to his show.
LOL - Gee, ya think?
The difference is that most people I know who watch Stern know it's
just entertainment.
Those I know who watch O'Reilly, Limbaugh etc take it deadly
seriously. And use the Limbaugh "debating" technique themselves.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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16 Dec 2005 07:14:07 AM |
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
My only question was: Why does O'Reilly have a job?
I watched O'Reilly on the Daily Show a month or two ago, and he pretty
much said not to believe most of the things he says on his show, or that
what he says is intended to stir up trouble, even though he doesn't
personally believe a lot of what he says on the show. I didn't know
whether to believe him or not.
I could believe it. Years back, I saw Limbaugh essentially
admit--online--that it was all about the ratings. Some other things he's
said and done over the years has convinced me he's basically nothing but
a ratings *****.
Kinda like Howard Stern. I watched part of his movie last night while
channel flipping. A lot of what he says and does is just to get a
rise out of the audience and keep the ratings up and people tuning in
to his show.
LOL - Gee, ya think?
I'll bet he's glad he got divorced, don't you think?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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16 Dec 2005 08:14:21 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:46f5q1lat119ti35nbh1j9v852nvdd0hgu@4ax.com...
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
My only question was: Why does O'Reilly have a job?
I watched O'Reilly on the Daily Show a month or two ago, and he pretty
much said not to believe most of the things he says on his show, or
that
what he says is intended to stir up trouble, even though he doesn't
personally believe a lot of what he says on the show. I didn't know
whether to believe him or not.
I could believe it. Years back, I saw Limbaugh essentially
admit--online--that it was all about the ratings. Some other things
he's
said and done over the years has convinced me he's basically nothing
but
a ratings *****.
Kinda like Howard Stern. I watched part of his movie last night while
channel flipping. A lot of what he says and does is just to get a
rise out of the audience and keep the ratings up and people tuning in
to his show.
LOL - Gee, ya think?
I'll bet he's glad he got divorced, don't you think?
I honestly have no idea. I haven't listened to him in ages. I used to, but
sometimes things on his show got really gross and I just couldn't take that
7:30 in the morning on the way to work. I do remember hearing that when
they initially separated, he spent quite a bit of time literally crying over
it.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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16 Dec 2005 08:23:58 PM |
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In <smb5q15fmnep4bdk85831c751enks5vm3r@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
My only question was: Why does O'Reilly have a job?
I watched O'Reilly on the Daily Show a month or two ago, and he pretty
much said not to believe most of the things he says on his show, or
that what he says is intended to stir up trouble, even though he
doesn't personally believe a lot of what he says on the show. I didn't
know whether to believe him or not.
I could believe it. Years back, I saw Limbaugh essentially
admit--online--that it was all about the ratings. Some other things he's
said and done over the years has convinced me he's basically nothing but
a ratings *****.
Kinda like Howard Stern. I watched part of his movie last night while
channel flipping. A lot of what he says and does is just to get a rise
out of the audience and keep the ratings up and people tuning in to his
show.
Only problem is, a not insignificant percentage of the population doesn't
get the joke.
I'm betting that's true of not insignificant number in the shreiking
head set. Like Coulter. I don't believe Coulter gives a flying *****
about a single principle other than she deserves more money...
You're probably right. I wonder if the same applies to Sean Hannity. I
think maybe he's for real, but can't be sure...
Him, I have no idea. I never watch Faux News.
(Jon Stewart does much better fake news)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| Title: Re: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it. |
14 Dec 2005 07:27:25 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
news:sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com...
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Of course it is, moron.
And it's okay for me to say "Happy Holidays" as well. Know why I've always
done that? I know not everyone is christian and don't want to offend
anyone. A lot of people I know (and work with) are Jewish - why the hell
would I wish them a "Merry Christmas"? Happy Holidays covers everything.
Get over it.
Have you ever actually seen a non-Christian offended by it? I can't
recall any.
Merry Christmas to everybody and have a thoroughly atheist and secular
New Year. I don't believe the Jesus Christ myth but peace on Earth and
goodwill to all men seem like bloody good ideas to me.
I am glad I live in a post Christian country. Of all the religions to
give up Christianity has got to be one of the best not to follow any more.
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it. |
14 Dec 2005 11:18:18 AM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:40akteF19geu4U1@individual.net...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
news:sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com...
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Of course it is, moron.
And it's okay for me to say "Happy Holidays" as well. Know why I've
always done that? I know not everyone is christian and don't want to
offend anyone. A lot of people I know (and work with) are Jewish - why
the hell would I wish them a "Merry Christmas"? Happy Holidays covers
everything.
Get over it.
Have you ever actually seen a non-Christian offended by it? I can't recall
any.
Me either, but that doesn't mean that someone wasn't. And since I don't
celebrate Christmas in the christian sense, it just makes more sense for me
personally to say "Happy Holidays".
Merry Christmas to everybody and have a thoroughly atheist and secular New
Year. I don't believe the Jesus Christ myth but peace on Earth and
goodwill to all men seem like bloody good ideas to me.
I am glad I live in a post Christian country. Of all the religions to give
up Christianity has got to be one of the best not to follow any more.
I'm with you there ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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| Title: Re: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it. |
16 Dec 2005 02:16:21 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:40akteF19geu4U1@individual.net...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
news:sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com...
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Of course it is, moron.
And it's okay for me to say "Happy Holidays" as well. Know why I've
always done that? I know not everyone is christian and don't want to
offend anyone. A lot of people I know (and work with) are Jewish - why
the hell would I wish them a "Merry Christmas"? Happy Holidays covers
everything.
Get over it.
Have you ever actually seen a non-Christian offended by it? I can't recall
any.
Me either, but that doesn't mean that someone wasn't. And since I don't
celebrate Christmas in the christian sense, it just makes more sense for me
personally to say "Happy Holidays".
Merry Christmas to everybody and have a thoroughly atheist and secular New
Year. I don't believe the Jesus Christ myth but peace on Earth and
goodwill to all men seem like bloody good ideas to me.
I am glad I live in a post Christian country. Of all the religions to give
up Christianity has got to be one of the best not to follow any more.
I'm with you there ;)
I think you maybe read into that an irony that was not there. I am glad
that I am living in a post Christian country rather than a post Pagan or
post Islamic country. Christianity has added a dimension into western
morality that with luck we can bring through into a secular morality.
Christianity has been a massive shaping force on the west, throwing out
the baby of do as you would be done by morality with the font water to
become a wishy-washy culture of universal relativism and so therefore
minimal moral consensus would be a Bad Thing. Don't diss Christianity,
don't get all dewy-eyed about Paganism, just say no to superstition and
myth.
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Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org
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16 Dec 2005 08:16:14 AM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:40fbe6F1a31sqU1@individual.net...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:40akteF19geu4U1@individual.net...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
news:sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com...
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Of course it is, moron.
And it's okay for me to say "Happy Holidays" as well. Know why I've
always done that? I know not everyone is christian and don't want to
offend anyone. A lot of people I know (and work with) are Jewish - why
the hell would I wish them a "Merry Christmas"? Happy Holidays covers
everything.
Get over it.
Have you ever actually seen a non-Christian offended by it? I can't
recall any.
Me either, but that doesn't mean that someone wasn't. And since I don't
celebrate Christmas in the christian sense, it just makes more sense for
me personally to say "Happy Holidays".
Merry Christmas to everybody and have a thoroughly atheist and secular
New Year. I don't believe the Jesus Christ myth but peace on Earth and
goodwill to all men seem like bloody good ideas to me.
I am glad I live in a post Christian country. Of all the religions to
give up Christianity has got to be one of the best not to follow any
more.
I'm with you there ;)
I think you maybe read into that an irony that was not there.
Bummer!
I am glad
that I am living in a post Christian country rather than a post Pagan or
post Islamic country. Christianity has added a dimension into western
morality that with luck we can bring through into a secular morality.
Christianity has been a massive shaping force on the west, throwing out
the baby of do as you would be done by morality with the font water to
become a wishy-washy culture of universal relativism and so therefore
minimal moral consensus would be a Bad Thing. Don't diss Christianity,
don't get all dewy-eyed about Paganism, just say no to superstition and
myth.
I'll do was I please, but thanks for the suggestion ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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14 Dec 2005 07:36:34 AM |
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In <40akteF19geu4U1@individual.net>, Martin Willett
<mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
news:sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com...
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Of course it is, moron.
And it's okay for me to say "Happy Holidays" as well. Know why I've
always done that? I know not everyone is christian and don't want to
offend anyone. A lot of people I know (and work with) are Jewish - why
the hell would I wish them a "Merry Christmas"? Happy Holidays covers
everything.
Get over it.
Have you ever actually seen a non-Christian offended by it? I can't recall
any.
Nope.
Funny thing, though, about all of this is that retailers squabbling for
every last dime in a highly competitive market don't want to exclude
*anybody. It's what we call "capitalism."
And the right wing is ***** about it.
Which I can't help but find amusing...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Robert A. Neinast" |
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14 Dec 2005 03:23:40 PM |
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In article <40akteF19geu4U1@individual.net>, mwillett.org@invalid.invalid
says...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in message
news:sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com...
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Of course it is, moron.
And it's okay for me to say "Happy Holidays" as well. Know why I've always
done that? I know not everyone is christian and don't want to offend
anyone. A lot of people I know (and work with) are Jewish - why the hell
would I wish them a "Merry Christmas"? Happy Holidays covers everything.
Get over it.
Have you ever actually seen a non-Christian offended by it? I can't
recall any.
On the other hand, who says they have to be offended for it
not to be a good idea?
My last name is hard to pronounce (NINE-essed). When somebody
calls me "NEEN-essed", I'm not offended by it, but it
also alerts me that here's somebody who doesn't know me,
or care enough to try to find out more.
And I am less inclined to be amenable to whatever they
want of me.
Bob
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.. . . and shun the Frumious Bandersnatch
Robert A. Neinast
Pickerington, OH
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it. |
14 Dec 2005 04:38:20 PM |
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Martin: I've enjoyed your Smite Cam web site immensely. Good work.
As for the subject at hand and for the benefit of those who have missed
it the Fox News Network has worked hard to promote the myth that there
is a liberal plot to abolish Christmas in the U.S.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595230165/qid=1134599616/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-5018615-8820151?n=507846&s=books&v=glance
The hysteria has been fanned by the books author, Fox News Anchor John
Gibson and noted Leprechaun - make that pundit - strike that
paleocon lunatic Bill O'Riley. The result is now Christians now are
permitted to take offense if they are not wished a Merry Christmas.
That's right - Christians are demanding that merchants repeat the
phrase ad-nauseoum (sic) and display the magic words in the shop
windows. Merchants who do not comply will be boycotted.
The end result will predictable be the futher commercialization of the
holiday. And more sales for the book and O'Riley's merchandise.
That's unlikely to offend American Christians where a Jesus industry
continues to flourish.
But for me the ultimate irony is this: Merchants have used the more
inclusive Happy Holidays and Season's Greetings as well as Merry
Christmas in America for decades and the paleocon Christians took no
offense. I remember growing up in the 50's and 60's having my
fundamentalist mother drill it in to us that the 25th of December was
not really Jesus' birthday and that it was idolatry to honor one day
above another. She and others of a like mind would avoid sending
"religious" Christmas cards and usually opt for the more secular
greetings, just so they would not commit grievous error and mislead
others to think that day was the Baby Jesus' birthday. Now, under
the influence of Mr. O'Riley (gasp a Papist at that) and his ilk who
have created the "War on Christmas" Bogyman she and her
co-religionists are all up in arms about the assault on them by
merchants wishing them a Happy Holiday.
There's no pleasing the easily offended.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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14 Dec 2005 05:38:20 PM |
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"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in news:sf2dne40-
tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com:
Subject: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it.
Hairy Fishnuts!
--
Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
Keep THOR in THURSDAY!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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15 Dec 2005 08:23:26 AM |
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"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns972CB3DDB66ECaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in news:sf2dne40-
tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com:
Subject: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it.
Hairy Fishnuts!
LOL! I just got it - Bloom County! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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15 Dec 2005 07:08:14 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in news:40dcgoF1a6ca7U1
@individual.net:
"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns972CB3DDB66ECaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in news:sf2dne40-
tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com:
Subject: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it.
Hairy Fishnuts!
LOL! I just got it - Bloom County! :)
Excellent, Grasshoppah. :)
--
Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
Keep THOR in THURSDAY!
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it. |
15 Dec 2005 11:40:32 AM |
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:23:26 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns972CB3DDB66ECaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in news:sf2dne40-
tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com:
Subject: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it.
Hairy Fishnuts!
LOL! I just got it - Bloom County! :)
scene is: Milo and family at Christmas(TM) table. Milo speaks
with bowed head.] [If you use it, be sure to substitute
"Thanksgiving" for "Christmas".]
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DEAR LORD,
I'VE BEEN ASKED, NAY COMMANDED,
TO THANK THEE FOR THE CHRISTMAS TURKEY BEFORE US.
A TURKEY WHICH WAS NO DOUBT A LIVELY, INTELLIGENT BIRD...
CAPABLE OF ACTUAL AFFECTION...
NUZZLING ITS YOUNG WITH ALMOST HUMAN-LIKE COMPASSION.
ANYWAY, IT'S DEAD AND WE'RE GONNA EAT IT.
PLEASE GIVE OUR RESPECTS TO ITS FAMILY...
[scene changes to Milo and turkey alone on the back porch, as the
door is closed and LOCKED with an audible "click"]
Milo shouts: AMEN!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it. |
15 Dec 2005 11:53:11 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:9ja3q1lqbk7e312chgqv8gshutglkap1ft@4ax.com...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:23:26 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns972CB3DDB66ECaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"UK Ministry of St Luke" <rev@ukministry.org> wrote in news:sf2dne40-
tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com:
Subject: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it.
Hairy Fishnuts!
LOL! I just got it - Bloom County! :)
scene is: Milo and family at Christmas(TM) table. Milo speaks
with bowed head.] [If you use it, be sure to substitute
"Thanksgiving" for "Christmas".]
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DEAR LORD,
I'VE BEEN ASKED, NAY COMMANDED,
TO THANK THEE FOR THE CHRISTMAS TURKEY BEFORE US.
A TURKEY WHICH WAS NO DOUBT A LIVELY, INTELLIGENT BIRD...
CAPABLE OF ACTUAL AFFECTION...
NUZZLING ITS YOUNG WITH ALMOST HUMAN-LIKE COMPASSION.
ANYWAY, IT'S DEAD AND WE'RE GONNA EAT IT.
PLEASE GIVE OUR RESPECTS TO ITS FAMILY...
[scene changes to Milo and turkey alone on the back porch, as the
door is closed and LOCKED with an audible "click"]
Milo shouts: AMEN!
LOL - Another favorite. I have to dig up that book :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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14 Dec 2005 07:31:06 AM |
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In <sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com>, "UK Ministry of St Luke"
<rev@ukministry.org> wrote:
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Christmas is a cherished time of year when Americans come together and
celebrate something bigger than ourselves, something that has united us
for generations. An event that is the center of all history-the birth of
Jesus Christ.
Surveys show that 95% of Americans celebrate Christmas. Yet, due to
political correctness, disinformation, and even the threat of lawsuits
from the ACLU and its allies, religious expression at Christmastime is
increasingly absent from the public square. Slowly, this holy day is
being turned into a secular "solstice season."
<snip>
Of course this is utter *****. Religious expression *by government is a
violation of our Constitution. Private expression is so rampant around
this country, you get sick of the whole idea of Christmas about three days
after Thanksgiving.
By the way, are you claiming to be in the UK? If so, what the ***** do you
know about it?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "JPG" |
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14 Dec 2005 08:08:00 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com>, "UK Ministry of St Luke"
<rev@ukministry.org> wrote:
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Christmas is a cherished time of year when Americans come together and
celebrate something bigger than ourselves, something that has united us
for generations. An event that is the center of all history-the birth of
Jesus Christ.
Surveys show that 95% of Americans celebrate Christmas. Yet, due to
political correctness, disinformation, and even the threat of lawsuits
from the ACLU and its allies, religious expression at Christmastime is
increasingly absent from the public square. Slowly, this holy day is
being turned into a secular "solstice season."
<snip>
Of course this is utter *****. Religious expression *by government is a
violation of our Constitution. Private expression is so rampant around
this country, you get sick of the whole idea of Christmas about three days
after Thanksgiving.
By the way, are you claiming to be in the UK? If so, what the ***** do you
know about it?
I wondered that, thinking it very presumptuous to tell citizens of
another country what to do and think. However, his spellings and local
knowledge suggest he is American, unless he has lived in both places,
like me. Maybe is associated with the University of Kentucky (UK),
which occasionally comes up in web searches with "UK" in them
JPG (in UK).
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Mephisto" |
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14 Dec 2005 09:36:18 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:31:06 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com>, "UK Ministry of St Luke"
<rev@ukministry.org> wrote:
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Christmas is a cherished time of year when Americans come together and
celebrate something bigger than ourselves, something that has united us
for generations. An event that is the center of all history-the birth of
Jesus Christ.
Surveys show that 95% of Americans celebrate Christmas. Yet, due to
political correctness, disinformation, and even the threat of lawsuits
from the ACLU and its allies, religious expression at Christmastime is
increasingly absent from the public square. Slowly, this holy day is
being turned into a secular "solstice season."
<snip>
Of course this is utter *****. Religious expression *by government is a
violation of our Constitution. Private expression is so rampant around
this country, you get sick of the whole idea of Christmas about three days
after Thanksgiving.
By the way, are you claiming to be in the UK? If so, what the ***** do you
know about it?
I don't think he is in the UK. I think the 'UK' in the name stands for
Unbelievable Krap.
The website is hosted in the US.
If I'm wrong, it will be an embarrassing day for my country.
Mephisto
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Merry Christmas. It's okay to say it. |
15 Dec 2005 07:28:28 PM |
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In <a4p1q19pvbclrliiaqk6be707014i71h93@4ax.com>, Mephisto
<mephisto@go.away> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:31:06 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <sf2dne40-tNkmD3eRVn-qA@giganews.com>, "UK Ministry of St Luke"
<rev@ukministry.org> wrote:
Merry Christmas.
It's okay to say it.T
Christmas is a cherished time of year when Americans come together and
celebrate something bigger than ourselves, something that has united us
for generations. An event that is the center of all history-the birth
of Jesus Christ.
Surveys show that 95% of Americans celebrate Christmas. Yet, due to
political correctness, disinformation, and even the threat of lawsuits
from the ACLU and its allies, religious expression at Christmastime is
increasingly absent from the public square. Slowly, this holy day is
being turned into a secular "solstice season."
<snip>
Of course this is utter *****. Religious expression *by government is
a violation of our Constitution. Private expression is so rampant around
this country, you get sick of the whole idea of Christmas about three
days after Thanksgiving.
By the way, are you claiming to be in the UK? If so, what the ***** do you
know about it?
I don't think he is in the UK. I think the 'UK' in the name stands for
Unbelievable Krap.
The website is hosted in the US.
If I'm wrong, it will be an embarrassing day for my country.
Well, if it's U of Kentucky (or even Kansas?), it would all make a great
deal more sense...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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