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"maff" |
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07 Feb 2005 05:24:03 AM |
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Michael Behe |
Design for Living
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/07/opinion/07behe.html
By MICHAEL J. BEHE
The theory of intelligent design, though not creationist, differs in
key points with pure Darwinian evolution.
Michael Behe
http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=Michael%20Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
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Creationism
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Intelligent design
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Charles Darwin
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Behe |
07 Feb 2005 08:42:17 AM |
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The theory of intelligent design, though not creationist, differs in
key points with pure Darwinian evolution.
The tree's trunk, limbs and leaves, though not roots, differs in key
points with pure elephant legs.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Behe |
07 Feb 2005 11:10:43 PM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 06:42:17 -0800, said in alt.atheism:
The theory of intelligent design, though not creationist, differs in
key points with pure Darwinian evolution.
The tree's trunk, limbs and leaves, though not roots, differs in key
points with pure elephant legs.
And ID is just a rewording of creationism, leaving out the definition
of "designer" as "the Christian god".
--
"Does it ever amaze anyone else how little faith some heterosexuals have
in heterosexuality? It's supposed to be this god-given human instinct
that only the warped and perverted ever stray from; but, it seems, if we
once tell our straight children a message even as mild as "some people
are gay, and that's all right," that'll be enough to send lil' Suzy into
the arms of women forever. It's a wonder the race has survived this
long, really..."
- Charles M Seaton (21 Dec 1994)
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Paul J Gans" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Behe |
08 Feb 2005 11:14:29 AM |
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In talk.origins Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 7 Feb 2005 06:42:17 -0800, said in alt.atheism:
The theory of intelligent design, though not creationist, differs in
key points with pure Darwinian evolution.
The tree's trunk, limbs and leaves, though not roots, differs in key
points with pure elephant legs.
And ID is just a rewording of creationism, leaving out the definition
of "designer" as "the Christian god".
We are up against a more sophisticated opposition than that.
Behe, in his NYTimes article, states right off that he
believes in evolution.
His point is the there are a couple of things that he recognizes
as designed. He used the Mt. Rushmore example.
With that statement few laypeople will believe that Behe is
a creationist.
You know better. I know better. But we are not the voting
populace.
ID cannot, in my opinion, simply be dismissed by throwing a
few catchphrases around.
---- Paul J. Gans
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Behe |
08 Feb 2005 11:23:01 AM |
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Paul J Gans wrote:
His point is the there are a couple of things that he recognizes
as designed. He used the Mt. Rushmore example.
One wonders whether it would be so easy to detect design in Mt.
Rushmore if mountains spontaneously arranged themselves into the shapes
of chins and noses as readily as carbon and other elements
spontaneously arrange themselves into complex organic compounds...
m
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| User: "Ronin" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Behe |
07 Feb 2005 08:33:33 AM |
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There was a really good quote in the times forum:
Michael Behe's contribution reminds me of a quote from H.L. Mencken in
1930, "If it could, science would explain the origin of life on Earth
at once - and there is every reason to believe that it will do so on
some not too remote tomorrow. To argue that the gaps in knowledge which
still confront the seeker must be filled, not by patient inquiry, but
by intuition or revelation, is simply to give ignorance a gratuitous
and preposterous dignity. When a man so indulges himself it is only to
confess that, to that extent at least, he is not a scientist at all,
but a theologian."
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Behe |
09 Feb 2005 03:30:02 PM |
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maff wrote:
Design for Living
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/07/opinion/07behe.html
By MICHAEL J. BEHE
The theory of intelligent design, though not creationist, differs in
key points with pure Darwinian evolution.
Seeking to Explain Life's Complexity (8 Letters)
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/09/opinion/l09design.html
Published: February 9, 2005
To the Editor:
Re "Design for Living," by Michael J. Behe (Op-Ed, Feb. 7):
The basic principle of intelligent design is that life is just too
complicated to occur by chance, and thus there must be some intelligent
entity guiding the process.
Michael Behe
http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=Michael%20Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
http://www.google.com/search?tab=nw&q=Michael+Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=Michael+Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&output=search&cat=gwd/Top
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=Michael%20Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wg
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=Michael+Behe&start=0&scoring=d&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
Creationism
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/d1f8c35b1798931f
Intelligent design
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/9bffa0938bd2f64f
Charles Darwin
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/769eb1482469eb87
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Behe |
10 Feb 2005 08:42:41 AM |
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And what or whom designed and created this intelligent entity???
--
Bill
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107984602.500425.246540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
maff wrote:
Design for Living
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/07/opinion/07behe.html
By MICHAEL J. BEHE
The theory of intelligent design, though not creationist, differs in
key points with pure Darwinian evolution.
Seeking to Explain Life's Complexity (8 Letters)
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/09/opinion/l09design.html
Published: February 9, 2005
To the Editor:
Re "Design for Living," by Michael J. Behe (Op-Ed, Feb. 7):
The basic principle of intelligent design is that life is just too
complicated to occur by chance, and thus there must be some intelligent
entity guiding the process.
Michael Behe
http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=Michael%20Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
http://www.google.com/search?tab=nw&q=Michael+Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=Michael+Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&output=search&cat=gwd/Top
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=Michael%20Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wg
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=Michael+Behe&start=0&scoring=d&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
Creationism
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/d1f8c35b1798931f
Intelligent design
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/9bffa0938bd2f64f
Charles Darwin
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/769eb1482469eb87
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Behe |
10 Feb 2005 02:28:12 PM |
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Bill wrote:
And what or whom designed and created this intelligent entity???
It's Turtles all the way.
--
Bill
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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maff wrote:
Design for Living
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/07/opinion/07behe.html
By MICHAEL J. BEHE
The theory of intelligent design, though not creationist, differs
in
key points with pure Darwinian evolution.
Seeking to Explain Life's Complexity (8 Letters)
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/09/opinion/l09design.html
Published: February 9, 2005
To the Editor:
Re "Design for Living," by Michael J. Behe (Op-Ed, Feb. 7):
The basic principle of intelligent design is that life is just too
complicated to occur by chance, and thus there must be some
intelligent
entity guiding the process.
Michael Behe
http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=Michael%20Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
http://www.google.com/search?tab=nw&q=Michael+Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=Michael+Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&output=search&cat=gwd/Top
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=Michael%20Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wg
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=Michael+Behe&start=0&scoring=d&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
Creationism
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/d1f8c35b1798931f
Intelligent design
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/9bffa0938bd2f64f
Charles Darwin
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/769eb1482469eb87
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| User: "Paul J Gans" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Behe |
10 Feb 2005 08:23:06 PM |
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In talk.origins maff <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill wrote:
And what or whom designed and created this intelligent entity???
It's Turtles all the way.
Only down. Up there's nothing but air.
---- Paul J. Gans
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Behe |
12 Feb 2005 03:54:29 AM |
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maff wrote:
maff wrote:
Design for Living
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/07/opinion/07behe.html
By MICHAEL J. BEHE
The theory of intelligent design, though not creationist, differs
in
key points with pure Darwinian evolution.
Seeking to Explain Life's Complexity (8 Letters)
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/09/opinion/l09design.html
Published: February 9, 2005
To the Editor:
Re "Design for Living," by Michael J. Behe (Op-Ed, Feb. 7):
The basic principle of intelligent design is that life is just too
complicated to occur by chance, and thus there must be some
intelligent
entity guiding the process.
'Intelligent Design'
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/12/opinion/l12science.html
Published: February 12, 2005
To the Editor:
In "Design for Living" (Op-Ed, Feb. 7), Michael J. Behe quoted me,
recalling how I discovered that "the chemistry that makes life possible
is much more elaborate and sophisticated than anything we students had
ever considered" some 40 years ago. Dr. Behe then paraphrases my 1998
remarks that "the entire cell can be viewed as a factory with an
elaborate network of interlocking assembly lines, each of which is
composed of a set of large protein machines."
Michael Behe
http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=Michael%20Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
http://www.google.com/search?tab=nw&q=Michael+Behe&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
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http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=Michael+Behe&start=0&scoring=d&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
Creationism
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/d1f8c35b1798931f
Intelligent design
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/9bffa0938bd2f64f
Charles Darwin
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/769eb1482469eb87
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