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Religions > Atheism |
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"Gactimus" |
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20 Jan 2005 09:27:17 AM |
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Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an unlicensed
weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the "right to
bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard protecting him? I guess as
far as Moore is concerned, there's one standard for all of us peons and
another standard for VILs (very important liberals) like himself.
Sure, Moore may think that "ordinary people" -- like YOU -- can't be trusted
to have a gun to defend your families. It's just too risky. Oh, but if
Michael Moore might be in danger, well that's a different matter all
together; he's special, you see, the rules that he wants to apply to the
"little people" shouldn't apply to him.
What a hypocrite.
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| User: "Two Bears" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
29 Jan 2005 11:16:58 PM |
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Your refusal to address my post and subsequent capitulation....duly
noted.
ta tah...
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| User: "RD The Sandman" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
26 Jan 2005 12:15:36 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <ptodv01bfh6vgt5q0gv18nt5djuqa1dgkt@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:22:14 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
In article <10v7n48blh36102@corp.supernews.com>, SaPeIsMa
<SaPeIsMa@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:mdu5v05ps376df2iu49vednthnaue5cq0o@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:23:11 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in alt.atheism:
I don't know about anyone else, but banning 99.5% of all current guns is
close enough to a total ban to make the difference pretty minor.
Banning all guns not needed for hunting is pretty sane. If 99.5% of
all guns in existence in the country (other than law enforcement and
military weapons) are automatic or semi-automatic, something is very
wrong.
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So what about guns NOT needed for hunting
Why exactly should they be banned ?
Is hunting the ONLY valid use of a gun ?
Your myoppia is interesting
All handguns should be banned.
Criminals would just LOVE that.
No they wouldn't. If guns were banned, where would they steal them?
From police locker rooms where they get some of them now.
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Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
27 Jan 2005 11:43:22 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <ptodv01bfh6vgt5q0gv18nt5djuqa1dgkt@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:22:14 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
All handguns should be banned.
Criminals would just LOVE that.
No they wouldn't. If guns were banned, where would they steal them?
`
Where do you think people got alcohol during Prohibition? Where do
people get marijuana and cocain? I guess you've never heard of the
black market.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
27 Jan 2005 11:00:55 PM |
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In article <1106847802.173290.213650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <ptodv01bfh6vgt5q0gv18nt5djuqa1dgkt@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:22:14 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
All handguns should be banned.
Criminals would just LOVE that.
No they wouldn't. If guns were banned, where would they steal them?
`
Where do you think people got alcohol during Prohibition? Where do
people get marijuana and cocain? I guess you've never heard of the
black market.
That doesn't happen elsewhere.
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| User: "Yardpilot" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
28 Jan 2005 10:30:43 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100553169%spam@aol.com...
In article <1106847802.173290.213650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <ptodv01bfh6vgt5q0gv18nt5djuqa1dgkt@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:22:14 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
All handguns should be banned.
Criminals would just LOVE that.
No they wouldn't. If guns were banned, where would they steal them?
`
Where do you think people got alcohol during Prohibition? Where do
people get marijuana and cocain? I guess you've never heard of the
black market.
That doesn't happen elsewhere.
You are claiming that guns cannot be obtained where the are not legal.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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28 Jan 2005 12:10:32 PM |
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In article <10vkprlsr1k1r03@corp.supernews.com>, Yardpilot
<yardpilot@gorge.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100553169%spam@aol.com...
In article <1106847802.173290.213650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <ptodv01bfh6vgt5q0gv18nt5djuqa1dgkt@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:22:14 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
All handguns should be banned.
Criminals would just LOVE that.
No they wouldn't. If guns were banned, where would they steal them?
`
Where do you think people got alcohol during Prohibition? Where do
people get marijuana and cocain? I guess you've never heard of the
black market.
That doesn't happen elsewhere.
You are claiming that guns cannot be obtained where the are not legal.
I'm claiming it isn't the problem you would like to claim it is.
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| User: "Yardpilot" |
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28 Jan 2005 08:18:12 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051010328576%spam@aol.com...
In article <10vkprlsr1k1r03@corp.supernews.com>, Yardpilot
<yardpilot@gorge.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100553169%spam@aol.com...
In article <1106847802.173290.213650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <ptodv01bfh6vgt5q0gv18nt5djuqa1dgkt@4ax.com>, Daniel
Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:22:14 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
All handguns should be banned.
Criminals would just LOVE that.
No they wouldn't. If guns were banned, where would they steal
them?
`
Where do you think people got alcohol during Prohibition? Where do
people get marijuana and cocain? I guess you've never heard of the
black market.
That doesn't happen elsewhere.
You are claiming that guns cannot be obtained where the are not legal.
I'm claiming it isn't the problem you would like to claim it is.
Evasion noted. BTW, just what claim is that, exactly?
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| User: "AH#49 writes" |
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28 Jan 2005 12:34:47 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" wrote:
In article <10vkprlsr1k1r03@corp.supernews.com>, Yardpilot
<yardpilot@gorge.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100553169%spam@aol.com...
In article <1106847802.173290.213650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <ptodv01bfh6vgt5q0gv18nt5djuqa1dgkt@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:22:14 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
All handguns should be banned.
Criminals would just LOVE that.
No they wouldn't. If guns were banned, where would they steal them?
`
Where do you think people got alcohol during Prohibition? Where do
people get marijuana and cocain? I guess you've never heard of the
black market.
That doesn't happen elsewhere.
You are claiming that guns cannot be obtained where the are not legal.
I'm claiming it isn't the problem you would like to claim it is.
What IS the problem, Dave?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
28 Jan 2005 12:35:03 PM |
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In article <41FA85C7.2CE89B55@BCComics.net>, AH#49 writes
<GRONK@BCComics.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" wrote:
In article <10vkprlsr1k1r03@corp.supernews.com>, Yardpilot
<yardpilot@gorge.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100553169%spam@aol.com...
In article <1106847802.173290.213650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <ptodv01bfh6vgt5q0gv18nt5djuqa1dgkt@4ax.com>, Daniel
Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:22:14 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
All handguns should be banned.
Criminals would just LOVE that.
No they wouldn't. If guns were banned, where would they steal them?
`
Where do you think people got alcohol during Prohibition? Where do
people get marijuana and cocain? I guess you've never heard of the
black market.
That doesn't happen elsewhere.
You are claiming that guns cannot be obtained where the are not legal.
I'm claiming it isn't the problem you would like to claim it is.
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
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| User: "David Lentz" |
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28 Jan 2005 01:23:35 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools. Guns do not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people do bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail track.
David
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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28 Jan 2005 01:40:36 PM |
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In article <XiwKd.7387$ZD1.2684@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, David Lentz
<dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools. Guns do not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people do bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail track.
Guns are clearly part of the problem. I guess you feel we should all
be able to own rocket launchers, too?
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| User: "Yardpilot" |
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28 Jan 2005 08:19:03 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051140363448%spam@aol.com...
In article <XiwKd.7387$ZD1.2684@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, David Lentz
<dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools. Guns do
not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people do bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail track.
Guns are clearly part of the problem.
Oh, then forks cause obesity. Interesting.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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28 Jan 2005 08:25:35 PM |
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"Yardpilot" <yardpilot@gorge.net> wrote in message
news:10vlsaq8dvc7q3c@corp.supernews.com...
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051140363448%spam@aol.com...
In article <XiwKd.7387$ZD1.2684@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, David Lentz
<dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools. Guns
do
not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people do bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail track.
Guns are clearly part of the problem.
Oh, then forks cause obesity. Interesting.
Intersting observation. Shall we ban forks? After all, obesity is one of
the leading causes of heart disease and death, so we can now say forks are
dangerous.
How many kids have drowned in their bathtubs? Is water dangerous? Or are
the bathtubs?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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28 Jan 2005 09:22:47 PM |
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In article <67idna4eO5zNbmfcRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Yardpilot" <yardpilot@gorge.net> wrote in message
news:10vlsaq8dvc7q3c@corp.supernews.com...
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051140363448%spam@aol.com...
In article <XiwKd.7387$ZD1.2684@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, David Lentz
<dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools. Guns
do
not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people do bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail track.
Guns are clearly part of the problem.
Oh, then forks cause obesity. Interesting.
Intersting observation. Shall we ban forks?
Brilliant. Just what I'd expect from you.
After all, obesity is one of
the leading causes of heart disease and death, so we can now say forks are
dangerous.
You should know, you fat little tub of lard.
How many kids have drowned in their bathtubs?
More fantasies?
Is water dangerous? Or are
the bathtubs?
Good point. Lets do away with government welfare guards, too.
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| User: "RD The Sandman" |
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29 Jan 2005 11:44:59 AM |
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Yardpilot wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051140363448%spam@aol.com...
In article <XiwKd.7387$ZD1.2684@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, David Lentz
<dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools. Guns do
not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people do bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail track.
Guns are clearly part of the problem.
Oh, then forks cause obesity. Interesting.
Damn, I thought it was Diet Cokes......
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Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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| User: "Yardpilot" |
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01 Feb 2005 08:12:06 PM |
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"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Yardpilot wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051140363448%spam@aol.com...
In article <XiwKd.7387$ZD1.2684@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, David Lentz
<dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools. Guns
do
not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people do bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail track.
Guns are clearly part of the problem.
Oh, then forks cause obesity. Interesting.
Damn, I thought it was Diet Cokes......
Forks and Diet Coke have many things in common, you know.
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| User: "David Lentz" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
28 Jan 2005 03:50:50 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051140363448%spam@aol.com...
In article <XiwKd.7387$ZD1.2684@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, David Lentz
<dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools. Guns do
not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people do bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail track.
Guns are clearly part of the problem. I guess you feel we should all
be able to own rocket launchers, too?
How are guns any part of the problem? Guns are tools. They have no free
will.
David
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| User: "Sam" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
28 Jan 2005 05:26:55 PM |
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David Lentz wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051140363448%spam@aol.com...
In article <XiwKd.7387$ZD1.2684@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, David Lentz
<dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools. Guns do
not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people do bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail track.
Guns are clearly part of the problem. I guess you feel we should all
be able to own rocket launchers, too?
How are guns any part of the problem? Guns are tools. They have no free
will.
David
so all those death from gunshots would have happened anyway? drivebys
would happen with thrown morningstars if guns were unavailable?
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| User: "Yardpilot" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
28 Jan 2005 08:19:39 PM |
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"Sam" <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message
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David Lentz wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051140363448%spam@aol.com...
In article <XiwKd.7387$ZD1.2684@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, David Lentz
<dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools. Guns
do
not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people do bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail track.
Guns are clearly part of the problem. I guess you feel we should all
be able to own rocket launchers, too?
How are guns any part of the problem? Guns are tools. They have no
free
will.
David
so all those death from gunshots would have happened anyway?
What is your evidence to the contrary?
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| User: "Paul Erickson" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
07 Feb 2005 02:34:56 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:19:39 -0800, "Yardpilot" <yardpilot@gorge.net>
wrote:
"Sam" <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message
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David Lentz wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051140363448%spam@aol.com...
In article <XiwKd.7387$ZD1.2684@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, David Lentz
<dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools. Guns
do
not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people do bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail track.
Guns are clearly part of the problem. I guess you feel we should all
be able to own rocket launchers, too?
How are guns any part of the problem? Guns are tools. They have no
free
will.
David
so all those death from gunshots would have happened anyway?
What is your evidence to the contrary?
Well, this isn't evidence since there could hardly be real evidence of
that. But guns are technology that makes it easier to kill. That's
what they're for. Duh. Why else would they have been so intensively
developed?
If it's harder to kill, more people will fail at their attempts to
kill. And fewer accidents will be fatal.
Not evidence, just common sense.
Slobbering Skeleton
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| User: "David Lentz" |
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07 Feb 2005 04:21:51 PM |
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"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
Well, this isn't evidence since there could hardly be real evidence of
that. But guns are technology that makes it easier to kill. That's
what they're for. Duh. Why else would they have been so intensively
developed?
If it's harder to kill, more people will fail at their attempts to
kill. And fewer accidents will be fatal.
Not evidence, just common sense.
Common sense tells us that law intended to disarm the general public will
disportionately effect the portion of the public already inclined to obey
laws in the first place. It will not effect the population not prone to
obey the law. For evidence consider Washington DC. The public is
disarmed. The criminals are not and the public is not safe.
As for fatal firearm accidents, they are very rare. Physicians kill more
people by accident than do firearms. Ban physicians.
David
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07 Feb 2005 09:25:26 PM |
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"David Lentz" <dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3SRNd.34205$ZD1.14304@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:4pjf01hahigmt5lar3hvfn5r7ro994hn23@4ax.com...
<snip>
Well, this isn't evidence since there could hardly be real evidence of
that. But guns are technology that makes it easier to kill. That's
what they're for. Duh. Why else would they have been so intensively
developed?
If it's harder to kill, more people will fail at their attempts to
kill. And fewer accidents will be fatal.
Not evidence, just common sense.
Common sense tells us that law intended to disarm the general public will
disportionately effect the portion of the public already inclined to obey
laws in the first place. It will not effect the population not prone to
obey the law. For evidence consider Washington DC. The public is
disarmed. The criminals are not and the public is not safe.
As for fatal firearm accidents, they are very rare. Physicians kill
more
people by accident than do firearms. Ban physicians.
Hell, buckets and bathtubs are more dangerous than guns.
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| User: "Yardpilot" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
08 Feb 2005 08:19:20 PM |
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"SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:110gce4ik60m83a@corp.supernews.com...
"David Lentz" <dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3SRNd.34205$ZD1.14304@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:4pjf01hahigmt5lar3hvfn5r7ro994hn23@4ax.com...
<snip>
Well, this isn't evidence since there could hardly be real evidence of
that. But guns are technology that makes it easier to kill. That's
what they're for. Duh. Why else would they have been so intensively
developed?
If it's harder to kill, more people will fail at their attempts to
kill. And fewer accidents will be fatal.
Not evidence, just common sense.
Common sense tells us that law intended to disarm the general public
will
disportionately effect the portion of the public already inclined to
obey
laws in the first place. It will not effect the population not prone to
obey the law. For evidence consider Washington DC. The public is
disarmed. The criminals are not and the public is not safe.
As for fatal firearm accidents, they are very rare. Physicians kill
more
people by accident than do firearms. Ban physicians.
Hell, buckets and bathtubs are more dangerous than guns.
All three of them? <G>
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
07 Feb 2005 09:47:55 PM |
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In article <110gce4ik60m83a@corp.supernews.com>, SaPeIsMa
<SaPeIsMa@hotmail.com> wrote:
"David Lentz" <dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3SRNd.34205$ZD1.14304@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:4pjf01hahigmt5lar3hvfn5r7ro994hn23@4ax.com...
<snip>
Well, this isn't evidence since there could hardly be real evidence of
that. But guns are technology that makes it easier to kill. That's
what they're for. Duh. Why else would they have been so intensively
developed?
If it's harder to kill, more people will fail at their attempts to
kill. And fewer accidents will be fatal.
Not evidence, just common sense.
Common sense tells us that law intended to disarm the general public will
disportionately effect the portion of the public already inclined to obey
laws in the first place. It will not effect the population not prone to
obey the law. For evidence consider Washington DC. The public is
disarmed. The criminals are not and the public is not safe.
As for fatal firearm accidents, they are very rare. Physicians kill
more
people by accident than do firearms. Ban physicians.
Hell, buckets and bathtubs are more dangerous than guns.
How so?
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| User: "David Lentz" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
08 Feb 2005 09:21:35 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070220051947556829%spam@aol.com...
In article <110gce4ik60m83a@corp.supernews.com>, SaPeIsMa
<SaPeIsMa@hotmail.com> wrote:
"David Lentz" <dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3SRNd.34205$ZD1.14304@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:4pjf01hahigmt5lar3hvfn5r7ro994hn23@4ax.com...
<snip>
Well, this isn't evidence since there could hardly be real evidence
of
that. But guns are technology that makes it easier to kill. That's
what they're for. Duh. Why else would they have been so intensively
developed?
If it's harder to kill, more people will fail at their attempts to
kill. And fewer accidents will be fatal.
Not evidence, just common sense.
Common sense tells us that law intended to disarm the general public
will
disportionately effect the portion of the public already inclined to
obey
laws in the first place. It will not effect the population not prone
to
obey the law. For evidence consider Washington DC. The public is
disarmed. The criminals are not and the public is not safe.
As for fatal firearm accidents, they are very rare. Physicians kill
more
people by accident than do firearms. Ban physicians.
Hell, buckets and bathtubs are more dangerous than guns.
How so?
Accidental drownings kill more poeple than do accidental gunshots. Ban bath
tubs.
David
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| User: "Morton Davis" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
07 Feb 2005 08:14:07 PM |
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"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:4pjf01hahigmt5lar3hvfn5r7ro994hn23@4ax.com...
Well, this isn't evidence since there could hardly be real evidence of
that. But guns are technology that makes it easier to kill. That's
what they're for. Duh. Why else would they have been so intensively
developed?
If it's harder to kill, more people will fail at their attempts to
kill. And fewer accidents will be fatal.
Not evidence, just common sense.
Must be why the most prolific murderers do not use guns. There are swerial
killers, past and present, who have kjilled over one hundred people each,
who never used a gun. The people who killed the most people in one incident
used jet liners, after them come the bombers and the arsonists and the
poisoners.
-*MORT*-
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
07 Feb 2005 08:50:01 PM |
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In article <PfVNd.56206$eT5.37919@attbi_s51>, Morton Davis
<anitkerry@go.com> wrote:
"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:4pjf01hahigmt5lar3hvfn5r7ro994hn23@4ax.com...
Well, this isn't evidence since there could hardly be real evidence of
that. But guns are technology that makes it easier to kill. That's
what they're for. Duh. Why else would they have been so intensively
developed?
If it's harder to kill, more people will fail at their attempts to
kill. And fewer accidents will be fatal.
Not evidence, just common sense.
Must be why the most prolific murderers do not use guns. There are swerial
killers, past and present, who have kjilled over one hundred people each,
who never used a gun. The people who killed the most people in one incident
used jet liners, after them come the bombers and the arsonists and the
poisoners.
-*MORT*-
What is your point?
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| User: "SaPeIsMa" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
07 Feb 2005 09:23:13 PM |
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"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:4pjf01hahigmt5lar3hvfn5r7ro994hn23@4ax.com...
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:19:39 -0800, "Yardpilot" <yardpilot@gorge.net>
wrote:
"Sam" <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message
news:3TzKd.8721$8Z1.3289@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
David Lentz wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051140363448%spam@aol.com...
In article <XiwKd.7387$ZD1.2684@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, David Lentz
<dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools. Guns
do
not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people do
bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail track.
Guns are clearly part of the problem. I guess you feel we should all
be able to own rocket launchers, too?
How are guns any part of the problem? Guns are tools. They have no
free
will.
David
so all those death from gunshots would have happened anyway?
What is your evidence to the contrary?
Well, this isn't evidence since there could hardly be real evidence of
that. But guns are technology that makes it easier to kill. That's
what they're for. Duh. Why else would they have been so intensively
developed?
If it's harder to kill, more people will fail at their attempts to
kill. And fewer accidents will be fatal.
Not evidence, just common sense.
Sadly, a lot of "common sense" is totally lacking of sense.
And just because there appears to be corelation does NOT mean that there
is causality.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
07 Feb 2005 09:47:56 PM |
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In article <110gce43d8f2n38@corp.supernews.com>, SaPeIsMa
<SaPeIsMa@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:4pjf01hahigmt5lar3hvfn5r7ro994hn23@4ax.com...
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:19:39 -0800, "Yardpilot" <yardpilot@gorge.net>
wrote:
"Sam" <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message
news:3TzKd.8721$8Z1.3289@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
David Lentz wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051140363448%spam@aol.com...
In article <XiwKd.7387$ZD1.2684@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, David Lentz
<dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools. Guns
do
not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people do
bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail track.
Guns are clearly part of the problem. I guess you feel we should all
be able to own rocket launchers, too?
How are guns any part of the problem? Guns are tools. They have no
free
will.
David
so all those death from gunshots would have happened anyway?
What is your evidence to the contrary?
Well, this isn't evidence since there could hardly be real evidence of
that. But guns are technology that makes it easier to kill. That's
what they're for. Duh. Why else would they have been so intensively
developed?
If it's harder to kill, more people will fail at their attempts to
kill. And fewer accidents will be fatal.
Not evidence, just common sense.
Sadly, a lot of "common sense" is totally lacking of sense.
And just because there appears to be corelation does NOT mean that there
is causality.
Learn to spell correlation and and your trite comment will be more
convincing. And in this case, there *is* causation.
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| User: "Yardpilot" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
08 Feb 2005 08:21:22 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:070220051947566859%spam@aol.com...
In article <110gce43d8f2n38@corp.supernews.com>, SaPeIsMa
<SaPeIsMa@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Paul Erickson" <paul.erickson@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:4pjf01hahigmt5lar3hvfn5r7ro994hn23@4ax.com...
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:19:39 -0800, "Yardpilot" <yardpilot@gorge.net>
wrote:
"Sam" <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message
news:3TzKd.8721$8Z1.3289@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
David Lentz wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051140363448%spam@aol.com...
In article <XiwKd.7387$ZD1.2684@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, David Lentz
<dlentz10@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051035037512%spam@aol.com...
<snip>
What IS the problem, Dave?
Easy access to guns. Keep up and stop avoiding the issues.
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Guns are tools.
Guns
do
not
do bad things. Bad people do bad things. Sometimes bad people
do
bad
things with guns. Other times they leave their SUV on a rail
track.
Guns are clearly part of the problem. I guess you feel we should
all
be able to own rocket launchers, too?
How are guns any part of the problem? Guns are tools. They have
no
free
will.
David
so all those death from gunshots would have happened anyway?
What is your evidence to the contrary?
Well, this isn't evidence since there could hardly be real evidence of
that. But guns are technology that makes it easier to kill. That's
what they're for. Duh. Why else would they have been so intensively
developed?
If it's harder to kill, more people will fail at their attempts to
kill. And fewer accidents will be fatal.
Not evidence, just common sense.
Sadly, a lot of "common sense" is totally lacking of sense.
And just because there appears to be corelation does NOT mean that
there
is causality.
Learn to spell correlation and and your trite comment will be more
convincing. And in this case, there *is* causation.
Good news for you here! You stand to make a fortune, are you aware of that?
All you have to do is be able to support that claim, and you'll instantly
become internationally famous. Get right to it!
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