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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Gactimus" |
| Date: |
20 Jan 2005 09:27:17 AM |
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Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an unlicensed
weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the "right to
bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard protecting him? I guess as
far as Moore is concerned, there's one standard for all of us peons and
another standard for VILs (very important liberals) like himself.
Sure, Moore may think that "ordinary people" -- like YOU -- can't be trusted
to have a gun to defend your families. It's just too risky. Oh, but if
Michael Moore might be in danger, well that's a different matter all
together; he's special, you see, the rules that he wants to apply to the
"little people" shouldn't apply to him.
What a hypocrite.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
15 Feb 2005 07:30:22 PM |
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In article <8YwQd.44951$K54.10030@edtnps84>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:150220051644517837%spam@aol.com:
In article <RAvQd.7286$4q6.6321@attbi_s01>, Morton Davis
<anitkerry@go.com> wrote:
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message news:42127ffa@x-privat.org...
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:130220052042492934%spam@aol.com:
In article <420e8994$1@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:120220050941014152%spam@aol.com:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their
guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq,
just like you Democrats said. It was a mistake. But now that
we are there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we
can. As the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those
who have them. Yes - many will not give them up at first. It
won't be instantaneous. But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
Britain still has gun crimes.
LOL! You are a real intellectual, aren't you?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cjusew96.htm
For the fool Who believe we can get rid of guns: Guns are easy to make,
the components of gunpowder exist in nature and projectiles abound
nature. The Australiain government broke up a ring that was
manufacturing machine guns.
Talk about fools. Now you think Americans will violate the laws and
make their own guns.
Many will, and I wouldn't blame them,
Here we see what you are made of.
because banning guns would go
against the very principles our nation was founded on.
The gun thinks HE decides what laws pertain to him. You could say the
same about slavery.
It's every
American's right to own weapons, including firearms.
Pull that out of your *****, did you?
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| User: "Maaxx" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
16 Feb 2005 08:17:57 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:150220051730220589%spam@aol.com:
In article <8YwQd.44951$K54.10030@edtnps84>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:150220051644517837%spam@aol.com:
In article <RAvQd.7286$4q6.6321@attbi_s01>, Morton Davis
<anitkerry@go.com> wrote:
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:42127ffa@x-privat.org...
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:130220052042492934%spam@aol.com:
In article <420e8994$1@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:120220050941014152%spam@aol.com:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there
somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their
guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq,
just like you Democrats said. It was a mistake. But now
that we are there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we
can. As the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those
who have them. Yes - many will not give them up at first.
It won't be instantaneous. But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
Britain still has gun crimes.
LOL! You are a real intellectual, aren't you?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cjusew96.htm
For the fool Who believe we can get rid of guns: Guns are easy to
make, the components of gunpowder exist in nature and projectiles
abound nature. The Australiain government broke up a ring that was
manufacturing machine guns.
Talk about fools. Now you think Americans will violate the laws and
make their own guns.
Many will, and I wouldn't blame them,
Here we see what you are made of.
because banning guns would go against the very principles our nation
was founded on.
The gun thinks HE decides what laws pertain to him. You could say the
same about slavery.
And slavery was eliminated by a constitutional amendment.
It's every American's right to own weapons, including firearms.
Pull that out of your *****, did you?
Actually, I pulled it from the Constitution.
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| User: "Scout" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
15 Feb 2005 08:23:52 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <8YwQd.44951$K54.10030@edtnps84>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:150220051644517837%spam@aol.com:
In article <RAvQd.7286$4q6.6321@attbi_s01>, Morton Davis
<anitkerry@go.com> wrote:
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message news:42127ffa@x-privat.org...
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:130220052042492934%spam@aol.com:
In article <420e8994$1@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:120220050941014152%spam@aol.com:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there
somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their
guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq,
just like you Democrats said. It was a mistake. But now
that
we are there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we
can. As the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those
who have them. Yes - many will not give them up at first. It
won't be instantaneous. But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
Britain still has gun crimes.
LOL! You are a real intellectual, aren't you?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cjusew96.htm
For the fool Who believe we can get rid of guns: Guns are easy to
make,
the components of gunpowder exist in nature and projectiles abound
nature. The Australiain government broke up a ring that was
manufacturing machine guns.
Talk about fools. Now you think Americans will violate the laws and
make their own guns.
Many will, and I wouldn't blame them,
Here we see what you are made of.
because banning guns would go
against the very principles our nation was founded on.
The gun thinks HE decides what laws pertain to him. You could say the
same about slavery.
Yep. That's pretty much the founding principle of this nation
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure
these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just
powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of
Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People
to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its
foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to
them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
The people do decide what laws shall pertain to them, and I will note the
federal government has been specifically instructed NOT to interfere in this
area even given a lack of any power to do so.
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| User: "Scout" |
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15 Feb 2005 08:17:52 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:150220051644517837%spam@aol.com...
In article <RAvQd.7286$4q6.6321@attbi_s01>, Morton Davis
<anitkerry@go.com> wrote:
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message news:42127ffa@x-privat.org...
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:130220052042492934%spam@aol.com:
In article <420e8994$1@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:120220050941014152%spam@aol.com:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, just
like you Democrats said. It was a mistake. But now that we are
there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we can.
As
the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have
them.
Yes - many will not give them up at first. It won't be
instantaneous. But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
Britain still has gun crimes.
LOL! You are a real intellectual, aren't you?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cjusew96.htm
For the fool Who believe we can get rid of guns: Guns are easy to make,
the
components of gunpowder exist in nature and projectiles abound nature.
The
Australiain government broke up a ring that was manufacturing machine
guns.
-*MORT*-
Talk about fools. Now you think Americans will violate the laws and
make their own guns.
Look up the term "zip gun" and get back to us.
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| User: "Morton Davis" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
15 Feb 2005 09:17:52 PM |
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"Scout" <4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:kfGdnaryoYPOMI_fRVn-hg@adelphia.com...
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:150220051644517837%spam@aol.com...
In article <RAvQd.7286$4q6.6321@attbi_s01>, Morton Davis
<anitkerry@go.com> wrote:
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message news:42127ffa@x-privat.org...
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:130220052042492934%spam@aol.com:
In article <420e8994$1@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:120220050941014152%spam@aol.com:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their
guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq,
just
like you Democrats said. It was a mistake. But now that we
are
there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we
can.
As
the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have
them.
Yes - many will not give them up at first. It won't be
instantaneous. But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
Britain still has gun crimes.
LOL! You are a real intellectual, aren't you?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cjusew96.htm
For the fool Who believe we can get rid of guns: Guns are easy to make,
the
components of gunpowder exist in nature and projectiles abound nature.
The
Australiain government broke up a ring that was manufacturing machine
guns.
-*MORT*-
Talk about fools. Now you think Americans will violate the laws and
make their own guns.
Look up the term "zip gun" and get back to us.
Back in the 80s there was a group called "The Order" the were a neo nazi
bunch of ratfucks run by a guy named Bob Matthews. The got guns the old
fashioned way: They stole them from the US military.
-*MORT*-
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| User: "RD The Sandman" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
16 Feb 2005 11:27:24 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <RAvQd.7286$4q6.6321@attbi_s01>, Morton Davis
<anitkerry@go.com> wrote:
For the fool Who believe we can get rid of guns: Guns are easy to
make, the components of gunpowder exist in nature and projectiles
abound nature. The Australiain government broke up a ring that was
manufacturing machine guns.
-*MORT*-
Talk about fools. Now you think Americans will violate the laws and
make their own guns.
Some will. Some already do.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
15 Feb 2005 06:44:51 PM |
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In article <42127ffa@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:130220052042492934%spam@aol.com:
In article <420e8994$1@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:120220050941014152%spam@aol.com:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, just
like you Democrats said. It was a mistake. But now that we are
there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we can. As
the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have them.
Yes - many will not give them up at first. It won't be
instantaneous. But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
Britain still has gun crimes.
LOL! You are a real intellectual, aren't you?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cjusew96.htm
I wasn't suggesting they don't have gun crimes. Just very few. You
comment suggest that if Britain has ANY gun crimes then gun control
doesn't work. It just proves you are dishonest.
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| User: "Maaxx" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
15 Feb 2005 07:01:54 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:150220051644517805%spam@aol.com:
In article <42127ffa@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:130220052042492934%spam@aol.com:
In article <420e8994$1@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:120220050941014152%spam@aol.com:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, just
like you Democrats said. It was a mistake. But now that we are
there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we can.
As the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have
them. Yes - many will not give them up at first. It won't be
instantaneous. But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
Britain still has gun crimes.
LOL! You are a real intellectual, aren't you?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cjusew96.htm
I wasn't suggesting they don't have gun crimes. Just very few.
Wrong again. Their gun crime rate is nearly that of the United States.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
15 Feb 2005 07:30:22 PM |
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In article <6YwQd.44950$K54.18158@edtnps84>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:150220051644517805%spam@aol.com:
In article <42127ffa@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:130220052042492934%spam@aol.com:
In article <420e8994$1@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:120220050941014152%spam@aol.com:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, just
like you Democrats said. It was a mistake. But now that we are
there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we can.
As the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have
them. Yes - many will not give them up at first. It won't be
instantaneous. But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
Britain still has gun crimes.
LOL! You are a real intellectual, aren't you?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cjusew96.htm
I wasn't suggesting they don't have gun crimes. Just very few.
Wrong again. Their gun crime rate is nearly that of the United States.
*****. Furthermore, "nearly" means less. Apparently it works.
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| User: "Scout" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
15 Feb 2005 08:21:02 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <6YwQd.44950$K54.18158@edtnps84>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
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In article <42127ffa@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
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In article <420e8994$1@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
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In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their
guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, just
like you Democrats said. It was a mistake. But now that we
are
there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we can.
As the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have
them. Yes - many will not give them up at first. It won't be
instantaneous. But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
Britain still has gun crimes.
LOL! You are a real intellectual, aren't you?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cjusew96.htm
I wasn't suggesting they don't have gun crimes. Just very few.
Wrong again. Their gun crime rate is nearly that of the United States.
*****. Furthermore, "nearly" means less. Apparently it works.
Sure, now compare Mexico, Jamaica and Taiwan. Does it still work?
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <42127ffa@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
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In article <420e8994$1@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:120220050941014152%spam@aol.com:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, just
like you Democrats said. It was a mistake. But now that we are
there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we can.
As
the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have them.
Yes - many will not give them up at first. It won't be
instantaneous. But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
Britain still has gun crimes.
LOL! You are a real intellectual, aren't you?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cjusew96.htm
I wasn't suggesting they don't have gun crimes.
Then it hasn't stopped criminals from having guns....now has it?
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14 Feb 2005 12:26:44 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <420e8994$1@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:120220050941014152%spam@aol.com:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans
use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, just like you
Democrats
said. It was a mistake. But now that we are there we can't get
out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we can. As
the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have them.
Yes
- many will not give them up at first. It won't be instantaneous.
But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
Britain still has gun crimes.
LOL! You are a real intellectual, aren't you?
Don't use the excuse that since we were
foolish enough to have let every ***** in the country have twenty
weapons we can't get them back.
You're a fool. You cannot legislate morality.
This isn't morality. We legislate guns.
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.
"A well regulated militia..." Funny how you gun nuts can't read.
Funny how you can't comprehend the basic rules of English. FYI, a
Subordinate Clause is not one of Santa's helpers. Absolute Expression is a
term worth understanding. Don't forget to try and spin it hilariously now.
"Absolute expression - An absolute expression (also called nominative
absolute) is one that has a thought relationship but no direct
grammatical relationship with the remainder of the sentence in which it
occurs. An absolute expression is usually composed of a noun or pronoun
and a participle: 'The game being lost, we left the stadium.' 'The
purpose of our field trip having been explained, we set out with
enthusiasm."
From: Errors in English and Ways to Correct Them- Third Edition authored
by Harry Shaw.
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12 Feb 2005 01:03:55 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded Republicans
use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, just like you Democrats
said. It was a mistake. But now that we are there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we can. As the
weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have them. Yes -
many will not give them up at first. It won't be instantaneous. But
it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
The unsafe, unfree kingdom? No thanks.
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12 Feb 2005 01:42:45 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:41:01 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded Republicans
use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, just like you Democrats
said. It was a mistake. But now that we are there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we can. As the
weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have them. Yes -
many will not give them up at first. It won't be instantaneous. But
it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
The same Britain with a rising violent crime rate?
The same Britain that is considering arming their bobbies?
LOL!!
Moron.
Here's another clue for ya:
Mexico has a very strict gun ban, and the murder rate there is higher
than here.
Don't use the excuse that since we were
foolish enough to have let every ***** in the country have twenty
weapons we can't get them back.
You're a fool. You cannot legislate morality.
This isn't morality. We legislate guns.
You're trying to ban violence through the removal of an inanimate
object. This object is plentiful and is available from a wide
spectrum of sources.
In the process, you would disarm the law-abiding people, The ability
to defend one's self is a natural right.
I know Republicans look for simple
minded answers.
I know you have no idea of reality. TONS of drugs are smuggled into
this country every day.
So? What is with the side stepping?
If all those drugs can be smuggled, what makes you think that guns
cannot be smuggled????
D'oh!
All you propose is the creation of a black market for guns, and a
disarmed society of law-abiding citizenry.
The law-abiding citizenry are responsible for tens of thousands of
deaths each year in the US alone.
In motor vehicle accidents?
Or are you talking about firearms homicide, which numbers about
15,000?
As for black markets, your
aberrations don't hold water.
We ban MANY things with a black market
being created. Perhaps YOU would violate the law and buy a gun on the
black market, most citizens would not.
CRIMINALS would.
D'oh!
It would take time and effort. It would be worth it.
It would not be successful.
It works elsewhere.
It works NOWHERE. Period.
The NRA, lies, distortions, and half-truths not
withstanding.
Yet, you cannot cite even one.
But I agree it wouldn't be simple and over night, so Republicans might
not understand it.
LOL We've been trying to explain this concept to you dim-witted libs
about the war on terror.
Define "terrorism" and "terrorist."
I have done that before.
"The deliberate killing of civilians by surprise attack; the tactical
goal being to kill as many as possible, with the strategic goal of
political accord."
Terrorist: One who commits or abets terrorism.
If you can't define them, how can
you have a so-called "war" on them?
Easy!
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/helicopterkills.mpg
It's a beautiful thing!
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12 Feb 2005 04:18:19 PM |
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In article <1fms01hr4h2breurb2kv3bbht6pil8bp0s@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:41:01 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded Republicans
use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, just like you Democrats
said. It was a mistake. But now that we are there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we can. As the
weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have them. Yes -
many will not give them up at first. It won't be instantaneous. But
it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
The same Britain with a rising violent crime rate?
No - the same Briton with the near zero gun violence.
The same Britain that is considering arming their bobbies?
Considering? Oh! That's right! With hundreds of years of no guns,
even their police don't carry guns!
LOL!!
Moron.
Here's another clue for ya:
Mexico has a very strict gun ban, and the murder rate there is higher
than here.
LOL! Not from guns.
Don't use the excuse that since we were
foolish enough to have let every ***** in the country have twenty
weapons we can't get them back.
You're a fool. You cannot legislate morality.
This isn't morality. We legislate guns.
You're trying to ban violence through the removal of an inanimate
object. This object is plentiful and is available from a wide
spectrum of sources.
REALLY poor argument. According to that think hand grenades should be
legal too.
In the process, you would disarm the law-abiding people, The ability
to defend one's self is a natural right.
B U L L S H I T.
I know Republicans look for simple
minded answers.
I know you have no idea of reality. TONS of drugs are smuggled into
this country every day.
So? What is with the side stepping?
If all those drugs can be smuggled, what makes you think that guns
cannot be smuggled????
Again, that means we should ban ANYTHING. (How about Nukes?)
All you propose is the creation of a black market for guns, and a
disarmed society of law-abiding citizenry.
The law-abiding citizenry are responsible for tens of thousands of
deaths each year in the US alone.
In motor vehicle accidents?
These are the kinds of arguments that make gun nuts look nuts.
Or are you talking about firearms homicide, which numbers about
15,000?
I'm talking about weighing the usefulness of ANY product with it's
danger. Here, the only usefulness is giving rabbits a "secure" feeling
while allowing the to kill indiscriminately.
As for black markets, your
aberrations don't hold water.
We ban MANY things with a black market
being created. Perhaps YOU would violate the law and buy a gun on the
black market, most citizens would not.
CRIMINALS would.
Fantasy.
It would take time and effort. It would be worth it.
It would not be successful.
It works elsewhere.
It works NOWHERE. Period.
NRA denial.
http://www.jointogether.org/home/
The NRA, lies, distortions, and half-truths not
withstanding.
Yet, you cannot cite even one.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/press/release.php?release=321
http://www.commondreams.org/views/032900-103.htm
But I agree it wouldn't be simple and over night, so Republicans might
not understand it.
LOL We've been trying to explain this concept to you dim-witted libs
about the war on terror.
Define "terrorism" and "terrorist."
I have done that before.
"The deliberate killing of civilians by surprise attack; the tactical
goal being to kill as many as possible, with the strategic goal of
political accord."
Terrorist: One who commits or abets terrorism.
So the US is a terrorist country.
If you can't define them, how can
you have a so-called "war" on them?
Easy!
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/helicopterkills.mpg
It's a beautiful thing!
The Right just loves killing... I'll bet you really wish that could
have been you doing the killing. (I mean, if you had the balls to get
off you ***** and join the military.)
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12 Feb 2005 05:05:16 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:120220051418196220%spam@aol.com:
In article <1fms01hr4h2breurb2kv3bbht6pil8bp0s@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:41:01 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, just
like you Democrats said. It was a mistake. But now that we are
there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we can. As
the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have them.
Yes - many will not give them up at first. It won't be
instantaneous. But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
The same Britain with a rising violent crime rate?
No - the same Briton with the near zero gun violence.
You must be on crack. Crimes in the United States has plummetted for 10
straight years while gun crimes in Britain are soaring. The murder rate in
Britain is the highest it's been in 100 years.
Gun Crime Soars in United Kingdom Cities
The Sun
July 8th 2002 David Wooding
GUN crime has soared by up to 50 per cent in violent inner-cities, a
report reveals this week. Police gun squads are close to breaking point as
armed gangs roam the streets in record numbers.
The alarming Home Office figures will blow apart Tony Blair’s pledge to
beat street crime.
Worst blackspot is the West Midlands, which has seen a 50 per cent rise in
offences in 12 months.
In London, gun crime leapt by 25 per cent and West Yorkshire saw an 11 per
cent increase.
MPs fear Britain is now close to arming all police. Cops toting pistols
and machine guns are already a common sight in parts of Manchester.
The Tories called for ministers to get a grip before the crisis worsens.
They claim young hoodlums even use weapons as fashion accessories.
Shadow Home Secretary Oliver Letwin said: “The Government has issued a
crime-fighting initiative a week but it has had no effect.”
The figures prove Manchester chief constable Alan Green’s claim that gun
crime is at “intolerable levels.”
And the Police Federation’s spokesman for Scotland Yard’s elite SO19
firearms squad said his colleagues were “close to bursting.”
Figures on Friday will show ALL offences up six per cent in a year.
The figure could be THREE TIMES higher under a new system which will count
crimes not investigated.
The same Britain that is considering arming their bobbies?
Considering? Oh! That's right! With hundreds of years of no guns,
even their police don't carry guns!
And they would be ineffective against an armed criminal.
LOL!!
Moron.
Here's another clue for ya:
Mexico has a very strict gun ban, and the murder rate there is higher
than here.
LOL! Not from guns.
You are an ignorant fool.
Don't use the excuse that since we were
foolish enough to have let every ***** in the country have twenty
weapons we can't get them back.
You're a fool. You cannot legislate morality.
This isn't morality. We legislate guns.
You're trying to ban violence through the removal of an inanimate
object. This object is plentiful and is available from a wide
spectrum of sources.
REALLY poor argument. According to that think hand grenades should be
legal too.
They are.
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13 Feb 2005 10:42:50 PM |
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In article <420e8bac$1@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:120220051418196220%spam@aol.com:
In article <1fms01hr4h2breurb2kv3bbht6pil8bp0s@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:41:01 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, just
like you Democrats said. It was a mistake. But now that we are
there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we can. As
the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have them.
Yes - many will not give them up at first. It won't be
instantaneous. But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
The same Britain with a rising violent crime rate?
No - the same Briton with the near zero gun violence.
You must be on crack. Crimes in the United States has plummetted for 10
straight years while gun crimes in Britain are soaring.
Crimes plummeted because of President Clinton's great economy.
The murder rate in
Britain is the highest it's been in 100 years.
So? No connection.
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13 Feb 2005 10:56:31 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:130220052042502966%spam@aol.com:
In article <420e8bac$1@x-privat.org>, Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:120220051418196220%spam@aol.com:
In article <1fms01hr4h2breurb2kv3bbht6pil8bp0s@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:41:01 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <l8ds01dpq2kgg47v377t6gdp8d2fvvml51@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:10:35 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <de4r019kqb7t6i8g6kr0hptu2b35hr9hu1@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:57:43 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com> wrote:
In article <n2vq0111s87evdsrktmg1vjlcvc1kaplej@4ax.com>,
<3.14159@consultant.com> wrote:
You simple-minded folk have it all figured out...
...except for how to disarm the criminals.
Disarm everyone. The criminals will be in there somewhere.
So, how do you convince the criminals to surrender their guns?
Be specific!
This is the whole "Iraq Mistake" excuse the simple minded
Republicans use. Yeah - we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, just
like you Democrats said. It was a mistake. But now that we are
there we can't get out.
We outlaw guns. We outlaw ammunition. We collect what we can.
As the weapons turn up, we take them and charge those who have
them. Yes - many will not give them up at first. It won't be
instantaneous. But it will happen over time.
Like prohibition and the war on drugs?
Like Britain.
The same Britain with a rising violent crime rate?
No - the same Briton with the near zero gun violence.
You must be on crack. Crimes in the United States has plummetted for 10
straight years while gun crimes in Britain are soaring.
Crimes plummeted because of President Clinton's great economy.
Thanks for admitting that guns aren't the problem.
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