| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Gactimus" |
| Date: |
20 Jan 2005 09:27:17 AM |
| Object: |
Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an unlicensed
weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the "right to
bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard protecting him? I guess as
far as Moore is concerned, there's one standard for all of us peons and
another standard for VILs (very important liberals) like himself.
Sure, Moore may think that "ordinary people" -- like YOU -- can't be trusted
to have a gun to defend your families. It's just too risky. Oh, but if
Michael Moore might be in danger, well that's a different matter all
together; he's special, you see, the rules that he wants to apply to the
"little people" shouldn't apply to him.
What a hypocrite.
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| User: "Scout" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
27 Jan 2005 04:56:57 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120050705536928%spam@aol.com...
In article <Z4SdndbeJ6fRf2rcRVn-pg@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <t4vdv0dicegl2bpiel89vl7rjq7gjc8chh@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
In article <jdOdnbASctYelmncRVn-ow@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:230120050940583410%spam@aol.com...
In article <e7OdnYjzePs6Qm7cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:34:03 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:tku5v0lldoum8h1615dvdulifeujdrdhf2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in alt.atheism:
On the contrary, removal of anything is a reduction of what's
there.
A gun
complete is worth considerably more than a gun which is
incomplete.
DO try to get your priorities straight. You right to own an
automatic
weapon doesn't outweigh my right to not get shot.
No, it doesn't, and if I ever shoot you or threaten to shoot you
Or keep your weapon in such manner that it can be stolen and used
by
someone who would ...
If it is in my locked house then anyone who steals it is violating
the
law. If, for example, I leave my keys in my car, in my driveway,
on my
private property, it does not mean that if it is stolen that I am
the
criminal.
In some states it means exactly that. In many states it is illegal
to
leave the keys to your car in the car.
Please list the statutes here.
Certainly I'm not aware of any such laws.
I am.
Then how about listing them?
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up. Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
27 Jan 2005 11:00:57 PM |
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In article <1dudnZAmzeJb7GTcRVn-sA@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120050705536928%spam@aol.com...
In article <Z4SdndbeJ6fRf2rcRVn-pg@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <t4vdv0dicegl2bpiel89vl7rjq7gjc8chh@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
In article <jdOdnbASctYelmncRVn-ow@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:230120050940583410%spam@aol.com...
In article <e7OdnYjzePs6Qm7cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:34:03 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:tku5v0lldoum8h1615dvdulifeujdrdhf2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in alt.atheism:
On the contrary, removal of anything is a reduction of what's
there.
A gun
complete is worth considerably more than a gun which is
incomplete.
DO try to get your priorities straight. You right to own an
automatic
weapon doesn't outweigh my right to not get shot.
No, it doesn't, and if I ever shoot you or threaten to shoot you
Or keep your weapon in such manner that it can be stolen and used
by
someone who would ...
If it is in my locked house then anyone who steals it is violating
the
law. If, for example, I leave my keys in my car, in my driveway,
on my
private property, it does not mean that if it is stolen that I am
the
criminal.
In some states it means exactly that. In many states it is illegal
to
leave the keys to your car in the car.
Please list the statutes here.
Certainly I'm not aware of any such laws.
I am.
Then how about listing them?
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up. Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
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| User: "Scout" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
28 Jan 2005 05:46:07 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100573273%spam@aol.com...
In article <1dudnZAmzeJb7GTcRVn-sA@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120050705536928%spam@aol.com...
In article <Z4SdndbeJ6fRf2rcRVn-pg@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <t4vdv0dicegl2bpiel89vl7rjq7gjc8chh@4ax.com>, Daniel
Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
In article <jdOdnbASctYelmncRVn-ow@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:230120050940583410%spam@aol.com...
In article <e7OdnYjzePs6Qm7cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:34:03 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:tku5v0lldoum8h1615dvdulifeujdrdhf2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On the contrary, removal of anything is a reduction of
what's
there.
A gun
complete is worth considerably more than a gun which is
incomplete.
DO try to get your priorities straight. You right to own an
automatic
weapon doesn't outweigh my right to not get shot.
No, it doesn't, and if I ever shoot you or threaten to shoot
you
Or keep your weapon in such manner that it can be stolen and
used
by
someone who would ...
If it is in my locked house then anyone who steals it is
violating
the
law. If, for example, I leave my keys in my car, in my
driveway,
on my
private property, it does not mean that if it is stolen that I
am
the
criminal.
In some states it means exactly that. In many states it is
illegal
to
leave the keys to your car in the car.
Please list the statutes here.
Certainly I'm not aware of any such laws.
I am.
Then how about listing them?
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up. Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
Finally, and it doesn't support your assertion.
You claimed that "In many states it is illegal to leave the keys to your car
in the car". So far you have yet to prove even one state in which this is
true as you stated it.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
28 Jan 2005 06:53:14 PM |
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In article <0vqdndRzoJ1TU2fcRVn-iw@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100573273%spam@aol.com...
In article <1dudnZAmzeJb7GTcRVn-sA@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120050705536928%spam@aol.com...
In article <Z4SdndbeJ6fRf2rcRVn-pg@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <t4vdv0dicegl2bpiel89vl7rjq7gjc8chh@4ax.com>, Daniel
Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
In article <jdOdnbASctYelmncRVn-ow@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:230120050940583410%spam@aol.com...
In article <e7OdnYjzePs6Qm7cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:34:03 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:tku5v0lldoum8h1615dvdulifeujdrdhf2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On the contrary, removal of anything is a reduction of
what's
there.
A gun
complete is worth considerably more than a gun which is
incomplete.
DO try to get your priorities straight. You right to own an
automatic
weapon doesn't outweigh my right to not get shot.
No, it doesn't, and if I ever shoot you or threaten to shoot
you
Or keep your weapon in such manner that it can be stolen and
used
by
someone who would ...
If it is in my locked house then anyone who steals it is
violating
the
law. If, for example, I leave my keys in my car, in my
driveway,
on my
private property, it does not mean that if it is stolen that I
am
the
criminal.
In some states it means exactly that. In many states it is
illegal
to
leave the keys to your car in the car.
Please list the statutes here.
Certainly I'm not aware of any such laws.
I am.
Then how about listing them?
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up. Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
Finally, and it doesn't support your assertion.
More denial.
.
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| User: "Scout" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
28 Jan 2005 07:09:14 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051653142914%spam@aol.com...
In article <0vqdndRzoJ1TU2fcRVn-iw@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100573273%spam@aol.com...
In article <1dudnZAmzeJb7GTcRVn-sA@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120050705536928%spam@aol.com...
In article <Z4SdndbeJ6fRf2rcRVn-pg@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <t4vdv0dicegl2bpiel89vl7rjq7gjc8chh@4ax.com>, Daniel
Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
In article <jdOdnbASctYelmncRVn-ow@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:230120050940583410%spam@aol.com...
In article <e7OdnYjzePs6Qm7cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:34:03 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:tku5v0lldoum8h1615dvdulifeujdrdhf2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On the contrary, removal of anything is a reduction of
what's
there.
A gun
complete is worth considerably more than a gun which is
incomplete.
DO try to get your priorities straight. You right to own
an
automatic
weapon doesn't outweigh my right to not get shot.
No, it doesn't, and if I ever shoot you or threaten to
shoot
you
Or keep your weapon in such manner that it can be stolen and
used
by
someone who would ...
If it is in my locked house then anyone who steals it is
violating
the
law. If, for example, I leave my keys in my car, in my
driveway,
on my
private property, it does not mean that if it is stolen that
I
am
the
criminal.
In some states it means exactly that. In many states it is
illegal
to
leave the keys to your car in the car.
Please list the statutes here.
Certainly I'm not aware of any such laws.
I am.
Then how about listing them?
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up.
Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in
all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
Finally, and it doesn't support your assertion.
More denial.
"In many states it is illegal to leave the keys to your car in the car."
Yep, your statute did not support your assertion.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
28 Jan 2005 08:28:21 PM |
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Scout wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051653142914%spam@aol.com...
In article <0vqdndRzoJ1TU2fcRVn-iw@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100573273%spam@aol.com...
In article <1dudnZAmzeJb7GTcRVn-sA@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120050705536928%spam@aol.com...
In article <Z4SdndbeJ6fRf2rcRVn-pg@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <t4vdv0dicegl2bpiel89vl7rjq7gjc8chh@4ax.com>, Daniel
Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
In article <jdOdnbASctYelmncRVn-ow@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:230120050940583410%spam@aol.com...
In article <e7OdnYjzePs6Qm7cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:34:03 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:tku5v0lldoum8h1615dvdulifeujdrdhf2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On the contrary, removal of anything is a reduction of
what's
there.
A gun
complete is worth considerably more than a gun which is
incomplete.
DO try to get your priorities straight. You right to own
an
automatic
weapon doesn't outweigh my right to not get shot.
No, it doesn't, and if I ever shoot you or threaten to
shoot
you
Or keep your weapon in such manner that it can be stolen and
used
by
someone who would ...
If it is in my locked house then anyone who steals it is
violating
the
law. If, for example, I leave my keys in my car, in my
driveway,
on my
private property, it does not mean that if it is stolen that
I
am
the
criminal.
In some states it means exactly that. In many states it is
illegal
to
leave the keys to your car in the car.
Please list the statutes here.
Certainly I'm not aware of any such laws.
I am.
Then how about listing them?
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up.
Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in
all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
Finally, and it doesn't support your assertion.
More denial.
"In many states it is illegal to leave the keys to your car in the car."
Yep, your statute did not support your assertion.
http://www.eastpennsboro.net/Public_Safety/Police/Chiefs_Message/chiefs_message.html
http://members.aol.com/StatutesP2/75PA3701.html
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/observer/7676755.htm
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/9677500p-10561376c.html
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| User: "Scout" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
29 Jan 2005 03:54:09 AM |
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"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:9xCKd.2547$G75.969@news02.roc.ny...
Scout wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051653142914%spam@aol.com...
In article <0vqdndRzoJ1TU2fcRVn-iw@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100573273%spam@aol.com...
In article <1dudnZAmzeJb7GTcRVn-sA@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120050705536928%spam@aol.com...
In article <Z4SdndbeJ6fRf2rcRVn-pg@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <t4vdv0dicegl2bpiel89vl7rjq7gjc8chh@4ax.com>, Daniel
Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
In article <jdOdnbASctYelmncRVn-ow@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:230120050940583410%spam@aol.com...
In article <e7OdnYjzePs6Qm7cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:34:03 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:tku5v0lldoum8h1615dvdulifeujdrdhf2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On the contrary, removal of anything is a reduction of
what's
there.
A gun
complete is worth considerably more than a gun which is
incomplete.
DO try to get your priorities straight. You right to own
an
automatic
weapon doesn't outweigh my right to not get shot.
No, it doesn't, and if I ever shoot you or threaten to shoot
you
Or keep your weapon in such manner that it can be stolen and
used
by
someone who would ...
If it is in my locked house then anyone who steals it is
violating
the
law. If, for example, I leave my keys in my car, in my
driveway,
on my
private property, it does not mean that if it is stolen that I
am
the
criminal.
In some states it means exactly that. In many states it is
illegal
to
leave the keys to your car in the car.
Please list the statutes here.
Certainly I'm not aware of any such laws.
I am.
Then how about listing them?
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up. Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in
all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
Finally, and it doesn't support your assertion.
More denial.
"In many states it is illegal to leave the keys to your car in the car."
Yep, your statute did not support your assertion.
http://www.eastpennsboro.net/Public_Safety/Police/Chiefs_Message/chiefs_message.html
"locking the ignition in vehicles so equipped, removing the key from the
ignition "
Doesn't say the keys must be removed from the car. Just the ignition.
http://members.aol.com/StatutesP2/75PA3701.html
Same source
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/observer/7676755.htm
"Charlotte city ordinance"
Isn't a state, and you would need to produce the actual statute not some
newspaper account about it, to see if the language of the statute actually
forms to what the newspaper claims.
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/9677500p-10561376c.html
"It's not a new law in Modesto"
Not a state, and again would need to see the actual statute.
Certainly interesting cites, but still does not establish his assertion as
valid.
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29 Jan 2005 12:05:15 PM |
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Scout wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:9xCKd.2547$G75.969@news02.roc.ny...
Scout wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051653142914%spam@aol.com...
In article <0vqdndRzoJ1TU2fcRVn-iw@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100573273%spam@aol.com...
In article <1dudnZAmzeJb7GTcRVn-sA@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120050705536928%spam@aol.com...
In article <Z4SdndbeJ6fRf2rcRVn-pg@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <t4vdv0dicegl2bpiel89vl7rjq7gjc8chh@4ax.com>, Daniel
Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
In article <jdOdnbASctYelmncRVn-ow@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:230120050940583410%spam@aol.com...
In article <e7OdnYjzePs6Qm7cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:34:03 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:tku5v0lldoum8h1615dvdulifeujdrdhf2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On the contrary, removal of anything is a reduction of
what's
there.
A gun
complete is worth considerably more than a gun which is
incomplete.
DO try to get your priorities straight. You right to own
an
automatic
weapon doesn't outweigh my right to not get shot.
No, it doesn't, and if I ever shoot you or threaten to shoot
you
Or keep your weapon in such manner that it can be stolen and
used
by
someone who would ...
If it is in my locked house then anyone who steals it is
violating
the
law. If, for example, I leave my keys in my car, in my
driveway,
on my
private property, it does not mean that if it is stolen that I
am
the
criminal.
In some states it means exactly that. In many states it is
illegal
to
leave the keys to your car in the car.
Please list the statutes here.
Certainly I'm not aware of any such laws.
I am.
Then how about listing them?
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up. Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in
all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
Finally, and it doesn't support your assertion.
More denial.
"In many states it is illegal to leave the keys to your car in the car."
Yep, your statute did not support your assertion.
http://www.eastpennsboro.net/Public_Safety/Police/Chiefs_Message/chiefs_message.html
"locking the ignition in vehicles so equipped, removing the key from the
ignition "
Doesn't say the keys must be removed from the car. Just the ignition.
http://members.aol.com/StatutesP2/75PA3701.html
Same source
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/observer/7676755.htm
"Charlotte city ordinance"
Isn't a state, and you would need to produce the actual statute not some
newspaper account about it, to see if the language of the statute actually
forms to what the newspaper claims.
And even states that it doesn't apply in a private driveway.
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/9677500p-10561376c.html
"It's not a new law in Modesto"
Not a state, and again would need to see the actual statute.
Certainly interesting cites, but still does not establish his assertion as
valid.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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29 Jan 2005 12:03:06 PM |
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Frank Dwyer wrote:
Scout wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051653142914%spam@aol.com...
In article <0vqdndRzoJ1TU2fcRVn-iw@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100573273%spam@aol.com...
In article <1dudnZAmzeJb7GTcRVn-sA@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120050705536928%spam@aol.com...
In article <Z4SdndbeJ6fRf2rcRVn-pg@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <t4vdv0dicegl2bpiel89vl7rjq7gjc8chh@4ax.com>, Daniel
Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
In article <jdOdnbASctYelmncRVn-ow@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:230120050940583410%spam@aol.com...
In article <e7OdnYjzePs6Qm7cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:34:03 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:tku5v0lldoum8h1615dvdulifeujdrdhf2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On the contrary, removal of anything is a reduction of
what's
there.
A gun
complete is worth considerably more than a gun which is
incomplete.
DO try to get your priorities straight. You right to
own an
automatic
weapon doesn't outweigh my right to not get shot.
No, it doesn't, and if I ever shoot you or threaten to
shoot
you
Or keep your weapon in such manner that it can be stolen and
used
by
someone who would ...
If it is in my locked house then anyone who steals it is
violating
the
law. If, for example, I leave my keys in my car, in my
driveway,
on my
private property, it does not mean that if it is stolen
that I
am
the
criminal.
In some states it means exactly that. In many states it is
illegal
to
leave the keys to your car in the car.
Please list the statutes here.
Certainly I'm not aware of any such laws.
I am.
Then how about listing them?
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up.
Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal
in all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your
blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on
multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
Finally, and it doesn't support your assertion.
More denial.
"In many states it is illegal to leave the keys to your car in the car."
Yep, your statute did not support your assertion.
http://www.eastpennsboro.net/Public_Safety/Police/Chiefs_Message/chiefs_message.html
This talks about leaving your keys in the ignitions. The statute itself
does not address other locations in or about the car such as a spare key
holder or putting it under the floor mat....
http://members.aol.com/StatutesP2/75PA3701.html
Again, removal of keys from the ignition......nothing about the rest of
the car......
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/observer/7676755.htm
"The ordinance, police say, cannot be enforced in the driveway of a
private home. But leaving the keys in a car in a private driveway can
still get you a written or verbal warning." This, BTW, was the original
scenario that started this part of the thread.
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/9677500p-10561376c.html
Interesting article but the statutes aren't cited. It is purely comment
that one exists so I don't know if it is the same as the first three.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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28 Jan 2005 09:31:29 PM |
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In article <9xCKd.2547$G75.969@news02.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
Scout wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051653142914%spam@aol.com...
In article <0vqdndRzoJ1TU2fcRVn-iw@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100573273%spam@aol.com...
In article <1dudnZAmzeJb7GTcRVn-sA@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120050705536928%spam@aol.com...
In article <Z4SdndbeJ6fRf2rcRVn-pg@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <t4vdv0dicegl2bpiel89vl7rjq7gjc8chh@4ax.com>, Daniel
Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
In article <jdOdnbASctYelmncRVn-ow@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:230120050940583410%spam@aol.com...
In article <e7OdnYjzePs6Qm7cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:34:03 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:tku5v0lldoum8h1615dvdulifeujdrdhf2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On the contrary, removal of anything is a reduction of
what's
there.
A gun
complete is worth considerably more than a gun which is
incomplete.
DO try to get your priorities straight. You right to own
an
automatic
weapon doesn't outweigh my right to not get shot.
No, it doesn't, and if I ever shoot you or threaten to
shoot
you
Or keep your weapon in such manner that it can be stolen and
used
by
someone who would ...
If it is in my locked house then anyone who steals it is
violating
the
law. If, for example, I leave my keys in my car, in my
driveway,
on my
private property, it does not mean that if it is stolen that
I
am
the
criminal.
In some states it means exactly that. In many states it is
illegal
to
leave the keys to your car in the car.
Please list the statutes here.
Certainly I'm not aware of any such laws.
I am.
Then how about listing them?
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up.
Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in
all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
Finally, and it doesn't support your assertion.
More denial.
"In many states it is illegal to leave the keys to your car in the car."
Yep, your statute did not support your assertion.
http://www.eastpennsboro.net/Public_Safety/Police/Chiefs_Message/chiefs_message.html
http://members.aol.com/StatutesP2/75PA3701.html
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/observer/7676755.htm
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/9677500p-10561376c.html
I know. There are many like that. These kids think simply denying
something makes it true. I'm OK with that - you can't blame them -
IQ's are generally hereditary. I enjoy talking about the law with
people who (1) have an interest, (2) understand its purpose, (3)
understand it isn't static. But these guys seem to believe that their
desires are reality. Prisons are full of people like that.
And naturally, being that they are idiots, Osprey has gravitated toward
them...
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29 Jan 2005 12:04:28 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <9xCKd.2547$G75.969@news02.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
Scout wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051653142914%spam@aol.com...
In article <0vqdndRzoJ1TU2fcRVn-iw@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120052100573273%spam@aol.com...
In article <1dudnZAmzeJb7GTcRVn-sA@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120050705536928%spam@aol.com...
In article <Z4SdndbeJ6fRf2rcRVn-pg@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <t4vdv0dicegl2bpiel89vl7rjq7gjc8chh@4ax.com>, Daniel
Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes"
<spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
In article <jdOdnbASctYelmncRVn-ow@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:230120050940583410%spam@aol.com...
In article <e7OdnYjzePs6Qm7cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:34:03 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:tku5v0lldoum8h1615dvdulifeujdrdhf2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On the contrary, removal of anything is a reduction of
what's
there.
A gun
complete is worth considerably more than a gun which is
incomplete.
DO try to get your priorities straight. You right to own
an
automatic
weapon doesn't outweigh my right to not get shot.
No, it doesn't, and if I ever shoot you or threaten to
shoot
you
Or keep your weapon in such manner that it can be stolen and
used
by
someone who would ...
If it is in my locked house then anyone who steals it is
violating
the
law. If, for example, I leave my keys in my car, in my
driveway,
on my
private property, it does not mean that if it is stolen that
I
am
the
criminal.
In some states it means exactly that. In many states it is
illegal
to
leave the keys to your car in the car.
Please list the statutes here.
Certainly I'm not aware of any such laws.
I am.
Then how about listing them?
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up.
Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in
all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
Finally, and it doesn't support your assertion.
More denial.
"In many states it is illegal to leave the keys to your car in the car."
Yep, your statute did not support your assertion.
http://www.eastpennsboro.net/Public_Safety/Police/Chiefs_Message/chiefs_message.html
http://members.aol.com/StatutesP2/75PA3701.html
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/observer/7676755.htm
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/9677500p-10561376c.html
I know. There are many like that.
Which means, that, obviously, you did not read them. None of them
mentioned anything other than the ignition and one even admitted that it
doesn't apply in a private driveway.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
.
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28 Jan 2005 10:28:32 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1dudnZAmzeJb7GTcRVn-sA@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270120050705536928%spam@aol.com...
In article <Z4SdndbeJ6fRf2rcRVn-pg@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <t4vdv0dicegl2bpiel89vl7rjq7gjc8chh@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
In article <jdOdnbASctYelmncRVn-ow@adelphia.com>, Scout
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:230120050940583410%spam@aol.com...
In article <e7OdnYjzePs6Qm7cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:34:03 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:tku5v0lldoum8h1615dvdulifeujdrdhf2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0500, "Scout"
<4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> said in alt.atheism:
On the contrary, removal of anything is a reduction of what's
there.
A gun
complete is worth considerably more than a gun which is
incomplete.
DO try to get your priorities straight. You right to own an
automatic
weapon doesn't outweigh my right to not get shot.
No, it doesn't, and if I ever shoot you or threaten to shoot you
Or keep your weapon in such manner that it can be stolen and used
by
someone who would ...
If it is in my locked house then anyone who steals it is violating
the
law. If, for example, I leave my keys in my car, in my driveway,
on my
private property, it does not mean that if it is stolen that I am
the
criminal.
In some states it means exactly that. In many states it is illegal
to
leave the keys to your car in the car.
Please list the statutes here.
Certainly I'm not aware of any such laws.
I am.
Then how about listing them?
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up. Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
The only cite of a statute I saw from you was a Wisconsin one where it
seemed to apply to a park, not private property.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
.
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28 Jan 2005 12:10:34 PM |
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In article <grCdnQLqGaiy9WfcRVn-uQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up. Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
The only cite of a statute I saw from you was a Wisconsin one where it
seemed to apply to a park, not private property.
Moving the goal posts again? Keep squirming...
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28 Jan 2005 05:49:58 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:280120051010348689%spam@aol.com...
In article <grCdnQLqGaiy9WfcRVn-uQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up. Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
The only cite of a statute I saw from you was a Wisconsin one where it
seemed to apply to a park, not private property.
Moving the goal posts again? Keep squirming...
Let's remind ourselves of the goal posts
"In many states it is illegal to leave the keys to your car in the car."
So far you have not shown a single statute which makes that true.
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| User: "RD The Sandman" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
29 Jan 2005 10:07:03 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <grCdnQLqGaiy9WfcRVn-uQ@comcast.com>, The Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast.net> wrote:
Too much work for something that is off point. You look it up. Try
google.
IOW, you stuck your foot in it when you made your claim.
Except others have already told you it is illegal in their state.
Sure, one person, but when they cited the law, it wasn't illegal in all
cases, which means in some cases it is legal. Which means your blanket
assertion was wrong.
Further I note your inability to support your legal claims on multiple
occasions.
<Yawn> I cited a statute for you. Keep squirming...
The only cite of a statute I saw from you was a Wisconsin one where it
seemed to apply to a park, not private property.
Moving the goal posts again? Keep squirming...
Not at all......it was your cite, doofus.
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Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
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"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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