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"Gactimus" |
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20 Jan 2005 09:27:17 AM |
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Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an unlicensed
weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the "right to
bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard protecting him? I guess as
far as Moore is concerned, there's one standard for all of us peons and
another standard for VILs (very important liberals) like himself.
Sure, Moore may think that "ordinary people" -- like YOU -- can't be trusted
to have a gun to defend your families. It's just too risky. Oh, but if
Michael Moore might be in danger, well that's a different matter all
together; he's special, you see, the rules that he wants to apply to the
"little people" shouldn't apply to him.
What a hypocrite.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
20 Jan 2005 04:03:08 PM |
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mlw <mlw@nospam.no> wrote in news:j5WdnQdvY6wXkG3cRVn-sA@comcast.com:
Gactimus wrote:
mlw <mlw@nospam.no> wrote in news:oI-dnUtxhqjdbnLcRVn-1w@comcast.com:
Gactimus wrote:
mlw <mlw@nospam.no> wrote in news:PIWdneFP3oZLc3LcRVn-sA@comcast.com:
Gactimus wrote:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for
Columbine" Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the
"right to bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard
protecting him? I guess as far as Moore is concerned, there's one
standard for all of us peons and another standard for VILs (very
important liberals) like himself.
Sure, Moore may think that "ordinary people" -- like YOU -- can't
be trusted to have a gun to defend your families. It's just too
risky. Oh, but if Michael Moore might be in danger, well that's a
different matter all together; he's special, you see, the rules
that he wants to apply to the "little people" shouldn't apply to
him.
What a hypocrite.
What I don't understand is why you are lying.
Michael Moore grew up with guns, is a member of the NRA, and AFAIK,
does hunt.
In Bowling for Columbine, he did, in fact, drew parallels between
Canada, which has very little crime, and the U.S.A. which has a
great deal more crime and fear. The message was that gun ownership,
which is huge in Canada, is not the issue.
I believe he has said that he favors more rigid gun control, which
is not a bad thing, IMHO, I, personally, think that everyone who
wants to have a gun should not have a record of violent crime and
should pass a gun ownership test, no different than a driver's test.
Michael Moore wants to ban all handguns.
A flat out blatent lie by an obvious liar.
DONAHUE: OK, so let's understand. You'd like a ban on the sale of
handguns.
MOORE: Yes. I believe that we don't need handguns.
Read more:
MOORE: Handguns or weapons where you can fire multiple rounds at a time.
You don't need to essentially spray the woods to get your deer. If you
do, you should be, you know, doing needle point or some other sport.
He is beig very specific about what is called a "handgun"
He wants automatics and handguns banned. Read the second link.
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| User: "Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
20 Jan 2005 12:54:32 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an unlicensed
weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the "right to
bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard protecting him? I guess as
far as Moore is concerned, there's one standard for all of us peons and
another standard for VILs (very important liberals) like himself.
Sure, Moore may think that "ordinary people" -- like YOU -- can't be trusted
to have a gun to defend your families. It's just too risky. Oh, but if
Michael Moore might be in danger, well that's a different matter all
together; he's special, you see, the rules that he wants to apply to the
"little people" shouldn't apply to him.
What a hypocrite.
As this is a crossposted to death, and also a stupid post, I suppose
it's a troll. I'm learning little by little...
....but I can't help feeding the troll again.
If you want to have guns in your houses, exposed to your children
playing, then you have *the obligation* of having one.
But don't try to convince us here in Europe that that is not absolutely
stupid. Just look to your own stadistical data and count the children
death in the USA because they were playing with their parent's guns.
No one but the Police and some Bodyguards should have guns. It's that
simple.
--
Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez
Director Tecnico de bgSEC
jkerouac@bgsec.com
bgSEC Seguridad y Consultoria de Sistemas Informaticos
http://www.bgsec.com
ESPAŅA
The only people for me are the mad ones -- the ones who are mad to live,
mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time,
the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn
like fabulous yellow Roman candles.
-- Jack Kerouac, "On the Road"
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| User: "David Lentz" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
20 Jan 2005 05:12:37 PM |
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"Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez" <jkerouac@bgsec.com> wrote in message
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Gactimus wrote:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed
weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the
"right to
bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard protecting him? I guess
as
far as Moore is concerned, there's one standard for all of us peons and
another standard for VILs (very important liberals) like himself.
Sure, Moore may think that "ordinary people" -- like YOU -- can't be
trusted
to have a gun to defend your families. It's just too risky. Oh, but if
Michael Moore might be in danger, well that's a different matter all
together; he's special, you see, the rules that he wants to apply to the
"little people" shouldn't apply to him.
What a hypocrite.
As this is a crossposted to death, and also a stupid post, I suppose
it's a troll. I'm learning little by little...
...but I can't help feeding the troll again.
If you want to have guns in your houses, exposed to your children
playing, then you have *the obligation* of having one.
But don't try to convince us here in Europe that that is not absolutely
stupid. Just look to your own stadistical data and count the children
death in the USA because they were playing with their parent's guns.
No one but the Police and some Bodyguards should have guns. It's that
simple.
Wrong.
The police and body guards should have to obey the same laws as every other
citizen. If citizens are not allowed to have guns when desired, and are of
good character,then police and body guards should not have the either.
David
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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20 Jan 2005 04:03:30 PM |
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Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez <jkerouac@bgsec.com> wrote in
news:UvUHd.215199$r4.12355161@news-reader.eresmas.com:
Gactimus wrote:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the
"right to bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard protecting
him? I guess as far as Moore is concerned, there's one standard for all
of us peons and another standard for VILs (very important liberals)
like himself.
Sure, Moore may think that "ordinary people" -- like YOU -- can't be
trusted to have a gun to defend your families. It's just too risky. Oh,
but if Michael Moore might be in danger, well that's a different matter
all together; he's special, you see, the rules that he wants to apply
to the "little people" shouldn't apply to him.
What a hypocrite.
As this is a crossposted to death, and also a stupid post, I suppose
it's a troll. I'm learning little by little...
...but I can't help feeding the troll again.
If you want to have guns in your houses, exposed to your children
playing, then you have *the obligation* of having one.
But don't try to convince us here in Europe that that is not absolutely
stupid.
84 million firearms are legally held in the 15 member states of the EU.
Just look to your own stadistical data and count the children
death in the USA because they were playing with their parent's guns.
How stupid must you be to let your kids play with your guns?
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| User: "AH#49 writes" |
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20 Jan 2005 02:40:33 PM |
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Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez wrote:
Gactimus wrote:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an unlicensed
weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the "right to
bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard protecting him? I guess as
far as Moore is concerned, there's one standard for all of us peons and
another standard for VILs (very important liberals) like himself.
Sure, Moore may think that "ordinary people" -- like YOU -- can't be trusted
to have a gun to defend your families. It's just too risky. Oh, but if
Michael Moore might be in danger, well that's a different matter all
together; he's special, you see, the rules that he wants to apply to the
"little people" shouldn't apply to him.
What a hypocrite.
As this is a crossposted to death, and also a stupid post, I suppose
it's a troll. I'm learning little by little...
...but I can't help feeding the troll again.
If you want to have guns in your houses, exposed to your children
playing, then you have *the obligation* of having one.
But don't try to convince us here in Europe that that is not absolutely
stupid. Just look to your own stadistical data and count the children
death in the USA because they were playing with their parent's guns.
Why are idiots allowing their children to play with guns as if they are
toys?
How stupid are you and your kids?
And also, more kids are killed due to consuming household chemicals,
their parents driving, and swimming incidents.
No one but the Police and some Bodyguards should have guns. It's that
simple.
I don't have stupid little children.
But hey! I am a bodyguard after all.... my wife married me to protect
and love her.
And until recently, even England didn't trust MOST of their own police
to have access to firearm.
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| User: "A Nengineer" |
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20 Jan 2005 05:06:06 PM |
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Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez wrote:
But don't try to convince us here in Europe that that is not absolutely
stupid. Just look to your own stadistical data and count the children
death in the USA because they were playing with their parent's guns.
Huh. That's interesting. I wonder if you'd like to cross-reference with
the number of children killed in Europe by homosexuals and paedophiles
(e.g. Belgium). And the government covers it up because they're "public
figures".
The number of children accidentally drowned in the bathroom far exceeds
those hurt by handguns, even on a per-capita basis.
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| User: "RD The Sandman" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Moore: Guns Are Okay For Me, But Not For You |
21 Jan 2005 12:35:50 PM |
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Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez wrote:
Gactimus wrote:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the
"right to bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard protecting
him? I guess as far as Moore is concerned, there's one standard for
all of us peons and another standard for VILs (very important
liberals) like himself.
Sure, Moore may think that "ordinary people" -- like YOU -- can't be
trusted to have a gun to defend your families. It's just too risky.
Oh, but if Michael Moore might be in danger, well that's a different
matter all together; he's special, you see, the rules that he wants to
apply to the "little people" shouldn't apply to him.
What a hypocrite.
As this is a crossposted to death, and also a stupid post, I suppose
it's a troll. I'm learning little by little...
...but I can't help feeding the troll again.
If you want to have guns in your houses, exposed to your children
playing, then you have *the obligation* of having one.
No, we have the right to have one. There is no obligation to do so.
But don't try to convince us here in Europe that that is not absolutely
stupid.
Fine. If you don't wish to own guns, by all means, don't. Just don't
try to project your wishes on me, either.
Just look to your own stadistical data and count the children
death in the USA because they were playing with their parent's guns.
There really aren't very many. Take a look yourself at the data.
No one but the Police and some Bodyguards should have guns. It's that
simple.
No, it isn't.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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| User: "Tink" |
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20 Jan 2005 09:57:53 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an unlicensed
weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the "right to
bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard protecting him? I guess as
far as Moore is concerned, there's one standard for all of us peons and
another standard for VILs (very important liberals) like himself.
Sure, Moore may think that "ordinary people" -- like YOU -- can't be trusted
to have a gun to defend your families. It's just too risky. Oh, but if
Michael Moore might be in danger, well that's a different matter all
together; he's special, you see, the rules that he wants to apply to the
"little people" shouldn't apply to him.
What a hypocrite.
The need to carry guns would be reduced if he wasn't the target of
constant death threats from rightards around the country.
--
Skydivers don't knock on death's door; they ring the bell and run
away... It really pisses him off.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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| User: "Liberals,HATE America[!" |
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20 Jan 2005 11:50:15 AM |
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"Tink" <kjgrish@comcast.net> wrote in message news:fuedne7Y74WQSHLcRVn-
What a hypocrite.
The need to carry guns would be reduced if he wasn't the target of
constant death threats from rightards around the country.
Can you document a single death threat against the fat pig Mr. Leftard? No,
you cannot.
--
My skin crawls when I think of the first week after 9/11. I was looking out
of the window and there were people walking down the street carrying
American flags. It reminded me of spontaneous, angry Nazis and I thought,
'Oh, man, we are in a lot of trouble'. There's a whole bunch of people who
have flags hanging from their cars and who are mistaking fascism for
patriotism."
- Rickie Lee Jones, Fanatical America-Hating Nutcase & Proud Liberal
Democrat
www.liberalscum.com
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| User: "AH#49 writes" |
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20 Jan 2005 12:07:53 PM |
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"Liberals,HATE America[!" wrote:
"Tink" <kjgrish@comcast.net> wrote in message news:fuedne7Y74WQSHLcRVn-
What a hypocrite.
The need to carry guns would be reduced if he wasn't the target of
constant death threats from rightards around the country.
Can you document a single death threat against the fat pig Mr. Leftard? No,
you cannot.
And neither can Rosie O'Fat-tub.
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| User: "A Nengineer" |
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20 Jan 2005 05:01:45 PM |
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Liberals,HATE America[! wrote:
Can you document a single death threat against the fat pig Mr. Leftard? No,
you cannot.
I'm sure there are some. But there are death-threats against EVERY
public figure, from Jimmy Carter to Captain Kangaroo.
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| User: "RD The Sandman" |
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21 Jan 2005 12:13:41 PM |
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A Nengineer wrote:
Liberals,HATE America[! wrote:
Can you document a single death threat against the fat pig Mr.
Leftard? No, you cannot.
I'm sure there are some. But there are death-threats against EVERY
public figure, from Jimmy Carter to Captain Kangaroo.
Bingo!!
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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| User: "RD The Sandman" |
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21 Jan 2005 12:13:05 PM |
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Tink wrote:
Gactimus wrote:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the
"right to bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard protecting
him? I guess as far as Moore is concerned, there's one standard for
all of us peons and another standard for VILs (very important
liberals) like himself.
Sure, Moore may think that "ordinary people" -- like YOU -- can't be
trusted to have a gun to defend your families. It's just too risky.
Oh, but if Michael Moore might be in danger, well that's a different
matter all together; he's special, you see, the rules that he wants to
apply to the "little people" shouldn't apply to him.
What a hypocrite.
The need to carry guns would be reduced if he wasn't the target of
constant death threats from rightards around the country.
ROFLMAO!! You have a cite for all those constant death threats from
rightards or are you just running your mouth?
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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21 Jan 2005 06:38:45 PM |
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On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> thought hard
and said:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an unlicensed
weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Is it criminal to walk around with an unregistered or unlicensed
firearm, Snubie? I say it is not.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED."
I also suggest you think twice before calling me a leftist.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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21 Jan 2005 09:34:25 PM |
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Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:vs73v095be64r4v95gjibgt8oi9gfbetr4@4ax.com:
On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> thought hard
and said:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Is it criminal to walk around with an unregistered or unlicensed
firearm, Snubie?
Apaarently it is in New York.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED."
The Second Amendment doesn't apply to the states.
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| User: "Scout" |
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22 Jan 2005 07:58:32 AM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:5RjId.203$PB.135@okepread01...
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:vs73v095be64r4v95gjibgt8oi9gfbetr4@4ax.com:
On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> thought hard
and said:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Is it criminal to walk around with an unregistered or unlicensed
firearm, Snubie?
Apaarently it is in New York.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED."
The Second Amendment doesn't apply to the states.
14th Amendment. I think what you mean to say is that the Courts haven't
forced the states to recognize the 2nd as they have the other Amendments.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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22 Jan 2005 08:35:49 AM |
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"Scout" <4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:69Kdncmug9yXwW_cRVn-3Q@adelphia.com:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:5RjId.203$PB.135@okepread01...
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:vs73v095be64r4v95gjibgt8oi9gfbetr4@4ax.com:
On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> thought hard
and said:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for
Columbine" Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Is it criminal to walk around with an unregistered or unlicensed
firearm, Snubie?
Apaarently it is in New York.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED."
The Second Amendment doesn't apply to the states.
14th Amendment. I think what you mean to say is that the Courts haven't
forced the states to recognize the 2nd as they have the other
Amendments.
The 14th Amendment does no such thing. The Courts have only recently been
enforcing the Bill of Rights on the states. The purpose of the 14th
Amendment was to grant citizenship to and protect the civil liberties of
recently freed slaves.If the Bill of Rights applied to the states then
why, just a few years after the 14th Amendment was passed, did Congress
attempt to pass an Amendment, the purpose of which was to apply the 1st
Amendment to the states?
The 14th Amendment is actually an illegal amendment and should be
repealed. It was ratified under duress. Despite the fact that the southern
states had been functioning peacefully for two years and had been counted
to secure ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment, Congress passed the
Reconstruction Act, which provided for the military occupation of 10 of
the 11 southern states. It excluded Tennessee from military occupation,
and one must suspect it was because Tennessee was the only Southern state
that had ratified the Fourteenth Amendment. The Act further disfranchised
practically all white voters and provided that no senator or congressman
from the occupied states could be seated in Congress until a new
constitution was adopted by each state which would be approved by
Congress, and further provided that each of the 10 states must ratify the
proposed Fourteenth Amendment, and the Fourteenth Amendment must become a
part of the Constitution of the United States before the military
occupancy would cease and the states be allowed to have seats in Congress.
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| User: "Scout" |
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22 Jan 2005 08:46:49 AM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"Scout" <4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:69Kdncmug9yXwW_cRVn-3Q@adelphia.com:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:vs73v095be64r4v95gjibgt8oi9gfbetr4@4ax.com:
On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> thought hard
and said:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for
Columbine" Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Is it criminal to walk around with an unregistered or unlicensed
firearm, Snubie?
Apaarently it is in New York.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED."
The Second Amendment doesn't apply to the states.
14th Amendment. I think what you mean to say is that the Courts haven't
forced the states to recognize the 2nd as they have the other
Amendments.
The 14th Amendment does no such thing.
Actually the 14th does, nor is there any language that restricts the
Constitutional rights that shall be applied to the states.
The Courts have only recently been
enforcing the Bill of Rights on the states.
If you consider about 100 years of such enforcement to be "recently".
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22 Jan 2005 09:00:59 AM |
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"Scout" <4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"Scout" <4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
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Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:vs73v095be64r4v95gjibgt8oi9gfbetr4@4ax.com:
On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> thought
hard and said:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for
Columbine" Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Is it criminal to walk around with an unregistered or unlicensed
firearm, Snubie?
Apaarently it is in New York.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED."
The Second Amendment doesn't apply to the states.
14th Amendment. I think what you mean to say is that the Courts
haven't forced the states to recognize the 2nd as they have the other
Amendments.
The 14th Amendment does no such thing.
Actually the 14th does, nor is there any language that restricts the
Constitutional rights that shall be applied to the states.
The Courts have only recently been
enforcing the Bill of Rights on the states.
If you consider about 100 years of such enforcement to be "recently".
Less than that.
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| User: "RD The Sandman" |
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23 Jan 2005 01:05:37 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
"Scout" <4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"Scout" <4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:vs73v095be64r4v95gjibgt8oi9gfbetr4@4ax.com:
On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> thought
hard and said:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for
Columbine" Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Is it criminal to walk around with an unregistered or unlicensed
firearm, Snubie?
Apaarently it is in New York.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED."
The Second Amendment doesn't apply to the states.
14th Amendment. I think what you mean to say is that the Courts
haven't forced the states to recognize the 2nd as they have the other
Amendments.
The 14th Amendment does no such thing.
Actually the 14th does, nor is there any language that restricts the
Constitutional rights that shall be applied to the states.
The Courts have only recently been
enforcing the Bill of Rights on the states.
If you consider about 100 years of such enforcement to be "recently".
Less than that.
Nope. Just compensation under the 5th Amendment was incorporated in
1897. Just about 107 or 108 years ago.
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Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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| User: "RD The Sandman" |
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23 Jan 2005 01:03:33 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
"Scout" <4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:69Kdncmug9yXwW_cRVn-3Q@adelphia.com:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:vs73v095be64r4v95gjibgt8oi9gfbetr4@4ax.com:
On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> thought hard
and said:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for
Columbine" Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Is it criminal to walk around with an unregistered or unlicensed
firearm, Snubie?
Apaarently it is in New York.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED."
The Second Amendment doesn't apply to the states.
14th Amendment. I think what you mean to say is that the Courts haven't
forced the states to recognize the 2nd as they have the other
Amendments.
The 14th Amendment does no such thing. The Courts have only recently been
enforcing the Bill of Rights on the states.
Huh? Some of those enforcements date back a few years. This list of
incorporations.
Incorporation by the Supreme Court.
First Amendment:
Freedom of Speech - Gitlow v New York - 268 US 652 (1925), Fiske v
Kansas - 274 US 380 (1927)
Freedom of Press - Near v Minnesota - 283 US 697 (1931)
Freedom of Assembly - Dejong v Oregon - 299 US 353 (1937)
Free Exercise of Religion - Cantrell v Connecticut - 310 US 296 (1940)
Ban on Religious Establishment - Everson v Board of Education - 330 US 1
(1947)
Freedom of Association - NAACP v Alabama - 357 US 449 (1958)
Fourth Amendment:
Unreasonable Search/Seizure - Wolf v Colorado - 418 US 25 (1949)
Exclusionary Rule - Mapp v Ohio - 367 US 643 (1961)
Fifth Amendment:
Just Compensation - Chicago Burlington & Quincy Railroad, Co v Chicago -
166 US 226 (1897)
Self Incrimination - Malloy v Hogan - 378 US 1 (1964)
Double Jeopardy - Benton v Maryland 395 US 784 (1969)
Sixth Amendment:
Assistance of Counsel in Capital Case - Peterson v City of Greenville -
373 US 244 (1963)
Right to Public Trial - Oliver, in Re - 333 US 257 (1948)
Assistance of Counsel in all Felony Cases - Gideon v Wainwright - 372 US
335 (1963)
Right to Confront Adverse Witnesses - Pointer v Texas - 380 US 400
(1965)
Right to Impartial Jury - Parker v Gladden - 385 US 363 (1966)
Right to Compulsory Process to Obtain Witnesses - Washington v Texas -
388 US 14 (1967)
Right to a Speedy Trial - Klopfer v N Carolina - 386 US 213 (1967)
Right to Jury in Nonpetty Criminal Cases - Duncan v Louisiana - 391 US
145 (1968)
Right to Counsel in Imprisonable Misdemeanor - Argersinger v Hamlin -
407 US 25 (1972)
Right to Notice of Accusation - Rabe v Washington - 405 US 313 (1972)
Right to Unamimous Verdict if Only Six Jurors - Burch v Louisiana - 441
US 130 (1979)
Eighth Amendment:
Ban on Cruel and Unusual Punishment - Robinson v California 370 US 660
(1962)
Just what do you consider recent?
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Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell
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21 Jan 2005 08:27:38 PM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> thought hard
and said:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an unlicensed
weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Is it criminal to walk around with an unregistered or unlicensed
firearm, Snubie? I say it is not.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED."
Good shot on that one.
But someone will always say that that isn't how it is to be
interpreted.
I've seen those arguments.
--
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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22 Jan 2005 08:22:57 AM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> thought hard
and said:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an unlicensed
weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Is it criminal to walk around with an unregistered or unlicensed
firearm, Snubie? I say it is not.
Then carry one in DC and tell the cops that pummel yer ***** that they
are wrong.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED."
I also suggest you think twice before calling me a leftist.
How about just stupid?
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22 Jan 2005 01:09:41 PM |
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AH#49 writes wrote:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> thought hard
and said:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an unlicensed
weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Is it criminal to walk around with an unregistered or unlicensed
firearm, Snubie? I say it is not.
Then carry one in DC and tell the cops that pummel yer ***** that they
are wrong.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED."
I also suggest you think twice before calling me a leftist.
How about just stupid?
Oh... the venom just drips in here. Nothing better than
watching armchair judges at work.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Peter =?UTF-8?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?=" |
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21 Jan 2005 06:49:02 PM |
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begin Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> thought hard
and said:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Is it criminal to walk around with an unregistered or unlicensed
firearm, Snubie? I say it is not.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE
INFRINGED."
I also suggest you think twice before calling me a leftist.
Oh, I guess nobody is calling you any of that, as being a "leftist" would
involve something like "thinking", "brain" and the like.
All these are traits you lack. Completely. So you are clearly not a
"leftist". Or a "rightist". Just another incredibly stupid cretin
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20 Jan 2005 09:30:01 AM |
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On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus wrote:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an unlicensed
weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the "right to
bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard protecting him? I guess as
far as Moore is concerned, there's one standard for all of us peons and
another standard for VILs (very important liberals) like himself.
I missed the part in any of his films where he said you don't have
the right to bear arms.
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20 Jan 2005 06:42:55 PM |
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"General Protection Fault" <generalpf@braids.ertw.com> wrote
I missed the part in any of his films where he said you
don't have the right to bear arms.
That's because he not only didn't say that, but he concluded
that gun violence in America was a cultural problem.
He concluded that the presence of guns alone could not
account for our gun violence. That, Canada has a similar
rate of gun ownership, but a far lower rate of gun violence.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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20 Jan 2005 09:34:31 AM |
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General Protection Fault <generalpf@braids.ertw.com> wrote in
news:slrncuvjg2.1eer.generalpf@braids.ertw.com:
On 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 GMT, Gactimus wrote:
It looks like Spike Lee was right. Mr. Michael "Bowling for Columbine"
Moore's bodyguards do carry guns,
"Filmmaker Michael Moore's bodyguard was arrested for carrying an
unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night."
Well, well, well, could a man who believes that you don't have the
"right to bear arms" actually have a gun packing bodyguard protecting
him? I guess as far as Moore is concerned, there's one standard for all
of us peons and another standard for VILs (very important liberals)
like himself.
I missed the part in any of his films where he said you don't have
the right to bear arms.
Michael Moore has expressed his desired to ban all guns.
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| User: "David Lentz" |
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20 Jan 2005 10:21:02 AM |
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