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"quibbler" |
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15 Jun 2005 07:53:35 PM |
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Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
Now that the autopsy vindicates what Michael Schiavo was saying all
along he should make a long list of people to sue who defamed/libeled
him, starting with Fox News, the Repug National Committee, Randall Terry
and Operation Rescue, Bill First, Tom DeLay, Jeb Bush, George Bush, Bill
O'Reilly, Sean Insanity, Michael "Weiner boy" Savage, the Schindlers and
many more. Specifically, malpractice charges also need to be filed
against First for his incompetent and unethical attempt to diagnose
Terry Schiavo by watching heavily edited home video footage. If Schiavo
and Felos cast a wide enough net and sues enough of them then maybe some
of them will even settle out of court and it will give them millions to
establish some kind of foundation to defend the rights and privacy of
americans from attack by all the christo-fascist zombie assholes out
there. That would be so fucking sweet.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Sneechres" |
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16 Jun 2005 10:32:02 PM |
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Brian Henderson wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:53:35 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Now that the autopsy vindicates what Michael Schiavo was saying all
along he should make a long list of people to sue who defamed/libeled
him, starting with Fox News, the Repug National Committee, Randall Terry
and Operation Rescue, Bill First, Tom DeLay, Jeb Bush, George Bush, Bill
O'Reilly, Sean Insanity, Michael "Weiner boy" Savage, the Schindlers and
many more. Specifically, malpractice charges also need to be filed
against First for his incompetent and unethical attempt to diagnose
Terry Schiavo by watching heavily edited home video footage. If Schiavo
and Felos cast a wide enough net and sues enough of them then maybe some
of them will even settle out of court and it will give them millions to
establish some kind of foundation to defend the rights and privacy of
americans from attack by all the christo-fascist zombie assholes out
there. That would be so fucking sweet.
I think the first thing he needs to do is sue her parents for
everything they have in a defamation of character lawsuit.
They could do the same thing to him since he also leveled provably
false accusations at them.
Ruin them
entirely.
As if they already aren't?
Then, you're right, go after everyone who screwed up his
life.
I guess maybe he should sue himself. The only person responsible for
your public image is you. He could have started by being faithful to
his wife, since no one likes a cheater--and frankly anyone who feels
sympathy for the man has not a few screws loose.
--S
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| User: "jay" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
17 Jun 2005 12:45:49 PM |
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On 16 Jun 2005 20:32:02 -0700, "Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com>
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Ruin them entirely.
As if they already aren't?
They're doing quite well. Their legal attacks were
financed by the far right, and they apparently took
a large cut of it for themselves.
Then, you're right, go after everyone who
screwed up his life.
I guess maybe he should sue himself. The only
person responsible for your public image is you.
Not at all the case here, where you had the parents
routinely holding press conferences, setting up
web-sites, making the rounds of the press and
sending around their hired minions, and spending
massive quantities of money in a sustained
defamation campaign, accusing Michael of being
an abusive husband, of having cause his wife's
injuries by, depending on what day it was,
attempted strangulation or bashing her in the head,
abusing and neglecting her while she lay in the
hospital, trying to kill her by injecting her with insulin
(the Schindlers, btw, were, at one point, caught
trying to plant a syringe in Terri's room to back up
that assertion), and on and on. The only thing you
can hold against Michael wrt his public image is that
he refused to respond in public. In eight years, he
barely appeared in the press at all, and only granted
the Larry King interview when Tom "*****
Phony" DeLay and his maggot followers in congress
decided Terri was, to use their exact words, "a great
political issue".
He could have started by being faithful to his wife,
since no one likes a cheater
Another Schindler smear-point, probably, in fact, the
most often mentioned, and a great illustration of what
utter phonies they are. They encouraged him for a
long time to begin dating other women, then, when
he finally did, used the fact as propaganda. Shameful.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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16 Jun 2005 11:50:28 PM |
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Sneechres <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Brian Henderson wrote:
Now that the autopsy vindicates what Michael Schiavo was saying all
along he should make a long list of people to sue who defamed/libeled
him, starting with Fox News, the Repug National Committee, Randall Terry
and Operation Rescue, Bill First, Tom DeLay, Jeb Bush, George Bush, Bill
O'Reilly, Sean Insanity, Michael "Weiner boy" Savage, the Schindlers and
many more. Specifically, malpractice charges also need to be filed
against First for his incompetent and unethical attempt to diagnose
Terry Schiavo by watching heavily edited home video footage. If Schiavo
and Felos cast a wide enough net and sues enough of them then maybe some
of them will even settle out of court and it will give them millions to
establish some kind of foundation to defend the rights and privacy of
americans from attack by all the christo-fascist zombie assholes out
there. That would be so fucking sweet.
I think the first thing he needs to do is sue her parents for
everything they have in a defamation of character lawsuit.
They could do the same thing to him since he also leveled provably
false accusations at them.
Name some.
Then, you're right, go after everyone who screwed up his
life.
I guess maybe he should sue himself. The only person responsible for
your public image is you.
What a typically stupid statement, screeches. There's a reason for
liebl laws.
He could have started by being faithful to
his wife,
What you immoral control freaks refuse to understand is that he _was_
faithful to his wife, and it was you immoral control freaks who tried
to get him to break his vows to her.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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17 Jun 2005 02:06:00 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Sneechres <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Brian Henderson wrote:
I think the first thing he needs to do is sue her parents for
everything they have in a defamation of character lawsuit.
They could do the same thing to him since he also leveled provably
false accusations at them.
Name some.
That they wanted money from him.
If the entire incident was an attempt to extract money from him, they
sure had an odd way of going about it.
Then, you're right, go after everyone who screwed up his
life.
I guess maybe he should sue himself. The only person responsible for
your public image is you.
What a typically stupid statement, screeches. There's a reason for
liebl laws.
Do everyone here a favor and hold your breath waiting for him to file.
He could have started by being faithful to
his wife,
What you immoral control freaks refuse to understand is that he _was_
faithful to his wife,
No, he wasn't. Forsaking all others is still a statement in wedding
vows.
and it was you immoral control freaks who tried
to get him to break his vows to her.
Here's an article about those vows written by a Rabbi I usually
profoundly disagree with. Sometimes even idiots get it right.
"After all, to great men like Michael Schiavo, a promise is a promise,
unless of course, it's a promise of sexual fidelity in marriage."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43446
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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18 Jun 2005 12:47:57 AM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Sneechres <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Brian Henderson wrote:
I think the first thing he needs to do is sue her parents for
everything they have in a defamation of character lawsuit.
They could do the same thing to him since he also leveled provably
false accusations at them.
Name some.
That they wanted money from him.
Quotes, please.
Then, you're right, go after everyone who screwed up his
life.
I guess maybe he should sue himself. The only person responsible for
your public image is you.
What a typically stupid statement, screeches. There's a reason for
libel laws.
Do everyone here a favor and hold your breath waiting for him to file.
Non sequitur.
He could have started by being faithful to
his wife,
What you immoral control freaks refuse to understand is that he _was_
faithful to his wife,
No, he wasn't.
Q.E.D. You cannot understand faithfulness. All you can understand
are trivialities of no importance. You think it's all an act. You
don't understand the concept of keeping your vows to your spouse.
Forsaking all others is still a statement in wedding
vows.
He sure as hell forsook her parents and all of the controlling
busybodies that tried to make her suffer.
and it was you immoral control freaks who tried
to get him to break his vows to her.
Here's an article about those vows written by a Rabbi I usually
Don't give a ***** about another *****'s opinion. Wedding vows
are between the two people getting married, and neither you nor
the rabbi have any business interpreting them to suit your immoral
agenda.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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20 Jun 2005 10:34:15 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Sneechres <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Brian Henderson wrote:
I think the first thing he needs to do is sue her parents for
everything they have in a defamation of character lawsuit.
They could do the same thing to him since he also leveled provably
false accusations at them.
Name some.
That they wanted money from him.
Quotes, please.
"Michael Schiavo said Terri's parents are not motivated by a concern
for their daughter and only want money. He said Bob Schindler asked him
in 1993 how much money Schiavo was going to give him, and how much of
his daughter's money he was going to get.
'He wanted to go out into the hall and have a fistfight. It was
ludicrous,' Michael Schiavo said.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/28/schiavo.lkl/
Now we know the original medical malpractice lawsuit was fraudulent,
and that there was no evidence that Terri was ever bulimic, as Schiavo
claimed. Too bad our justice system doesn't require him to give the
money back.
Then, you're right, go after everyone who screwed up his
life.
I guess maybe he should sue himself. The only person responsible for
your public image is you.
What a typically stupid statement, screeches. There's a reason for
libel laws.
Do everyone here a favor and hold your breath waiting for him to file.
Non sequitur.
You have no argument. Your case is like saying that Bush obviously
stole Ohio last year. Not even John Kerry believed as much.
He could have started by being faithful to
his wife,
What you immoral control freaks refuse to understand is that he _was_
faithful to his wife,
No, he wasn't.
Q.E.D.
WTF?
You cannot understand faithfulness.
The word you want is fidelity, and I understand it very well. It means
when you get married, you don't get to have sex with, or reproduce
with, anyone else. Is there something about that YOU don't understand?
All you can understand
are trivialities of no importance.
You are the only one who thinks it's not important that Michael Schiavo
moved in with another woman and reproduced with her while his disabled
wife was still alive.
Forsaking all others is still a statement in wedding
vows.
He sure as hell forsook her parents
He didn't make any vows to her parents. WTF are you talking about??
and it was you immoral control freaks who tried
to get him to break his vows to her.
Here's an article about those vows written by a Rabbi I usually
Don't give a ***** about another *****'s opinion.
You're oblivious to logic and reason, actually.
Wedding vows
are between the two people getting married,
Breaking wedding vows is called ADULTERY. Think you can grasp that
concept?
and neither you nor
the rabbi have any business interpreting them to suit your immoral
agenda.
No interpretation required. He screwed someone he was not married to
while his wife lay disabled in the hospital. Obviously you think this
is the mark of a person with high moral standards. No one else does.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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21 Jun 2005 08:38:52 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Sneechres <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Brian Henderson wrote:
I think the first thing he needs to do is sue her parents for
everything they have in a defamation of character lawsuit.
They could do the same thing to him since he also leveled provably
false accusations at them.
Name some.
That they wanted money from him.
Quotes, please.
"Michael Schiavo said Terri's parents are not motivated by a concern
for their daughter and only want money.
That is an obvious opinion and doesn't qualify as libel.
He said Bob Schindler asked him
in 1993 how much money Schiavo was going to give him, and how much of
his daughter's money he was going to get.
The truth is never libel.
'He wanted to go out into the hall and have a fistfight. It was
ludicrous,' Michael Schiavo said.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/28/schiavo.lkl/
That's not provably false.
Now we know the original medical malpractice lawsuit was fraudulent,
Kook.
Then, you're right, go after everyone who screwed up his
life.
I guess maybe he should sue himself. The only person responsible for
your public image is you.
What a typically stupid statement, screeches. There's a reason for
libel laws.
Do everyone here a favor and hold your breath waiting for him to file.
Non sequitur.
You have no argument.
Against your irrational rantings?
Nope.
He could have started by being faithful to
his wife,
What you immoral control freaks refuse to understand is that he _was_
faithful to his wife,
No, he wasn't.
Q.E.D.
WTF?
You cannot understand that he was faithful. You don't even understand
what it means to be faithful.
You cannot understand faithfulness.
The word you want is fidelity, and I understand it very well.
No, the word is NOT fidelity. The word is "faithful" and it is
something that you do not understand All y
All you can understand
are trivialities of no importance.
You are the only one who thinks it's not important that Michael Schiavo
moved in with another woman and reproduced with her while his disabled
wife was still alive.
Because it's not important and you can't even show how it could be
important. In your simplistic world you think that marriage is only
about sex.
Forsaking all others is still a statement in wedding
vows.
He sure as hell forsook her parents
He didn't make any vows to her parents.
Nor did he make any vows to you.
Which means that all your ranting is worthless crap.
Wedding vows
are between the two people getting married,
Breaking wedding vows is called ADULTERY.
No, it isn't. And it's not for you to say. He made no
vows to you.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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21 Jun 2005 05:53:40 AM |
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In our last episode,
<1119324855.571974.170430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Now we know the original medical malpractice lawsuit was fraudulent,
Well, no we don't. Terri's electrolytes were way out of whack.
and that there was no evidence that Terri was ever bulimic, as Schiavo
claimed.
There wasn't any evidence on autopsy. There was evidence at the
time of her heart failure as her potassium levels were way low
at that time. That was certainly the cause of her heart
failure. That is what the physician should have known, whether
it was caused by bulimia or not.
Too bad our justice system doesn't require him to give the
money back.
The autopsy does not show that the findings of fact in the
malpractice case were wrong. Evidence of bulimia could have
been found on autopsy, but the absence of such evidence 15 years
later, doesn't mean she wasn't bulimic.
--
Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/
If you think you're too small to have an impact,
try going to bed with a mosquito in the room.
- Anita Koddick
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| User: "" |
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21 Jun 2005 12:23:13 PM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119324855.571974.170430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Now we know the original medical malpractice lawsuit was fraudulent,
Well, no we don't.
That's what the autopsy report says--that there was no evidence of an
eating disorder. See page 30.
Terri's electrolytes were way out of whack.
Which the autopsy report says was possibly caused by epinephrine.
and that there was no evidence that Terri was ever bulimic, as Schiavo
claimed.
There wasn't any evidence on autopsy.
But there WAS evidence that she was ex vacuo hydrocephalic, like I said
months ago. Why was she not treated for hydrocephalus?
There was evidence at the
time of her heart failure
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
as her potassium levels were way low
at that time.
Which is irrelevant.
Too bad our justice system doesn't require him to give the
money back.
The autopsy does not show that the findings of fact in the
malpractice case were wrong.
Yes, it does. Read it.
Evidence of bulimia could have
been found on autopsy,
The found the opposite, curiously enough.
but the absence of such evidence 15 years
later, doesn't mean she wasn't bulimic.
There is no medical evidence that she was ever bulimic.
There is no evidence of bulimia ever causing a severe brain damage
without a heart attack, either. Bulimia may certainly cause a heart
attack, but I've never seen it as a cause of physical brain
degeneration. Maybe you can cite a case.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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21 Jun 2005 08:42:25 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
Now we know the original medical malpractice lawsuit was fraudulent,
Well, no we don't.
That's what the autopsy report says--that there was no evidence of an
eating disorder. See page 30.
Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David Spiro" |
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21 Jun 2005 01:13:44 PM |
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<> wrote in message
news:1119374593.924283.226170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119324855.571974.170430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Now we know the original medical malpractice lawsuit was fraudulent,
Well, no we don't.
That's what the autopsy report says--that there was no evidence of an
eating disorder. See page 30.
Page 30? There is no page 30. There are 9 pages.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0615051terri2.html The autopsy does
state on page 3 that both sides in the original lawsuit admitted that there
was evidence of an eating disorder. (page 2) It says it flatly that bullimia
was the underlying cause of her low potassium and cardiac problems prior to
her arresting.
Terri's electrolytes were way out of whack.
Which the autopsy report says was possibly caused by epinephrine.
You also left out the fact that her habit of consuming large amounts of tea,
which is high in caffeine may have also played a role. (Page 4)
and that there was no evidence that Terri was ever bulimic, as Schiavo
claimed.
There wasn't any evidence on autopsy.
But there WAS evidence that she was ex vacuo hydrocephalic, like I said
months ago. Why was she not treated for hydrocephalus?
Because it would not have made any difference whatsoever. The hydrocephalus
was most like of a rapid onset, and the damage was done.
There was evidence at the
time of her heart failure
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
True, but there was evidence of abnormal heart function, due mainly from the
electrolyte imbalances.
as her potassium levels were way low
at that time.
Which is irrelevant.
No, not irrelevant. Read the autopsy again, especially pages 3-5.
Evidence of bulimia could have
been found on autopsy,
The found the opposite, curiously enough.
Did you read it? It very clearly supposes bullimia as high on the list of
potential diagnoses. Not the cause of her death, but, very likely the cause
of her caridac issues that led to her cardiace arrest.
but the absence of such evidence 15 years
later, doesn't mean she wasn't bulimic.
There is no medical evidence that she was ever bulimic.
There is no evidence of bulimia ever causing a severe brain damage
without a heart attack, either. Bulimia may certainly cause a heart
attack, but I've never seen it as a cause of physical brain
degeneration. Maybe you can cite a case.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. You clearly did not read the autopsy. Read it again.
The evidence was clearly there, that bulimia was a VERY probably cause of
her degeneration and cardiac issues. Also, please note paragraph 7 on page 8
"By what mechanism did Terri Schiavo die?" the final sentence of the
paragraph states:
"The state of her fatty tissues and laboratory findings indicate that she
did not starve to death."
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22 Jun 2005 11:50:57 AM |
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David Spiro wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1119374593.924283.226170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119324855.571974.170430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Now we know the original medical malpractice lawsuit was fraudulent,
Well, no we don't.
That's what the autopsy report says--that there was no evidence of an
eating disorder. See page 30.
Page 30? There is no page 30. There are 9 pages.
Wrong.
http://www.blogsforterri.com/archives/5050439_autopsy%20report%20and%20supporting%20documents.pdf
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0615051terri2.html
Maybe you shouldn't trust that website to give you the whole story
anymore. Or even the correct story.
<clip>
Terri's electrolytes were way out of whack.
Which the autopsy report says was possibly caused by epinephrine.
You also left out the fact that her habit of consuming large amounts of tea,
Which the ME says is irrelevant since the amount of caffeine needed to
trigger any kind of episode would have to have been consumed in pill
form, which no one says they observed.
I drink large amounts of tea, many of my family members drink tea, many
people drink lots of tea. Don't be so obtuse.
and that there was no evidence that Terri was ever bulimic, as Schiavo
claimed.
There wasn't any evidence on autopsy.
But there WAS evidence that she was ex vacuo hydrocephalic, like I said
months ago. Why was she not treated for hydrocephalus?
Because it would not have made any difference whatsoever.
That's not what the average physician will tell you. They have
treatment for it for a reason.
There was evidence at the
time of her heart failure
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
True, but there was evidence of abnormal heart function,
No, the autopsy report (the real one) states that there was no abnormal
heart function.
as her potassium levels were way low
at that time.
Which is irrelevant.
No, not irrelevant.
Yes, it is. K levels were probably affected by the initial treatment,
as the ME reports.
Read the autopsy again, especially pages 3-5.
YOU haven't even read it.
Evidence of bulimia could have
been found on autopsy,
The found the opposite, curiously enough.
Did you read it?
YES! I read the real one while you got a severely truncated one from
some hype site.
It very clearly supposes bullimia as high on the list of
potential diagnoses.
No, it doesn't.
Not the cause of her death, but, very likely the cause
of her caridac issues that led to her cardiace arrest.
She never had cardiac arrest!
but the absence of such evidence 15 years
later, doesn't mean she wasn't bulimic.
There is no medical evidence that she was ever bulimic.
There is no evidence of bulimia ever causing a severe brain damage
without a heart attack, either. Bulimia may certainly cause a heart
attack, but I've never seen it as a cause of physical brain
degeneration. Maybe you can cite a case.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Feel free to cite a case here.
You clearly did not read the autopsy.
Yes I did. You did not.
Read it again.
The evidence was clearly there, that bulimia was a VERY probably cause of
her degeneration and cardiac issues. Also, please note paragraph 7 on page 8
There aren't 7 paragraphs on that page. And it says NOTHING about
bulimia.
"By what mechanism did Terri Schiavo die?" the final sentence of the
paragraph states:
"The state of her fatty tissues and laboratory findings indicate that she
did not starve to death."
That is correct, she dehydrated to death.
--S
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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22 Jun 2005 03:06:30 PM |
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wrote:
David Spiro wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1119374593.924283.226170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119324855.571974.170430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Now we know the original medical malpractice lawsuit was fraudulent,
Well, no we don't.
That's what the autopsy report says--that there was no evidence of an
eating disorder. See page 30.
Page 30? There is no page 30. There are 9 pages.
Wrong.
http://www.blogsforterri.com/archives/5050439_autopsy%20report%20and%20supporting%20documents.pdf
And the relevant lines appear on both page 30 and 31 of the PDF (or page
3 and 4 of the document dated June 13, 2005):
"Although in the malpractice proceedings the low protein values were
suggested as indicators of malnutrition, this is unlikely and not
generally characeristic of Bulimia Nervosa ... The toxicology screen
[looking for bulimia-inducing drugs] performed during her initial
hospital admission was negative..."
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0615051terri2.html
Maybe you shouldn't trust that website to give you the whole story
anymore. Or even the correct story.
<clip>
Terri's electrolytes were way out of whack.
Which the autopsy report says was possibly caused by epinephrine.
You also left out the fact that her habit of consuming large amounts of tea,
Which the ME says is irrelevant since the amount of caffeine needed to
trigger any kind of episode would have to have been consumed in pill
form, which no one says they observed.
I drink large amounts of tea, many of my family members drink tea, many
people drink lots of tea. Don't be so obtuse.
My friend I visited in San Francisco drank 8-10 cups of tea a day. She
had no problems.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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21 Jun 2005 04:53:52 PM |
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In our last episode,
<1119374593.924283.226170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented broadcast on
alt.atheism:
There was evidence at the
time of her heart failure
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died. Don't use big words that
you do not understand. There are several possible reason that a
healthy heart might stop circulating blood efficiently -
including low postassium levels or electric shock. Heart tissue
is relatively rugged, compared with brain tissue, so a heart
can start beating (efficiently) again - without any of the heart
tissue having died (infarcted) - long after a significant part
of the brain is dead, dead, dead.
as her potassium levels were way low
at that time.
Which is irrelevant.
No, it isn't. It goes right to the issue of why her heart
failed.
Too bad our justice system doesn't require him to give the
money back.
The autopsy does not show that the findings of fact in the
malpractice case were wrong.
Yes, it does. Read it.
Obviously you didn't - at least not without filtering it through
your foregone conclusion.
Evidence of bulimia could have
been found on autopsy,
The found the opposite, curiously enough.
but the absence of such evidence 15 years
later, doesn't mean she wasn't bulimic.
There is no medical evidence that she was ever bulimic.
There wasn't on autopsy.
There is no evidence of bulimia ever causing a severe brain damage
without a heart attack, either. Bulimia may certainly cause a heart
attack, but I've never seen it as a cause of physical brain
degeneration. Maybe you can cite a case.
--
Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/
"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
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| User: "" |
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22 Jun 2005 12:05:29 PM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119374593.924283.226170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented broadcast on
alt.atheism:
There was evidence at the
time of her heart failure
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
What do you think happens when the heart fails? When it stops
receiving oxygen, parts of it start dying in as little as 20 minutes.
(And since Michael Schiavo didn't call the ambulance for between 40 to
70 minutes, you connect the dots).
Don't use big words that
you do not understand.
Myocardial infarction means heart attack. Look it up.
http://www.medicinenet.com/heart_attack/article.htm
There are several possible reason that a
healthy heart might stop circulating blood efficiently -
There is no evidence that Terri Schiavo had any kind of heart problems,
otherwise she would have been DOA in 1990.
as her potassium levels were way low
at that time.
Which is irrelevant.
No, it isn't.
Yes it is. Read the autopsy report.
It goes right to the issue of why her heart
failed.
There's no evidence of heart failure.
but the absence of such evidence 15 years
later, doesn't mean she wasn't bulimic.
There is no medical evidence that she was ever bulimic.
There wasn't on autopsy.
There wasn't on any medical report, anywhere, ever.
Instead of actually believing her primary care physicians and the
medical examiner, you have chosen to side with Michael Schiavo the
adulterer and his shyster lawyers.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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22 Jun 2005 09:04:52 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
What do you think happens when the heart fails? When it stops
receiving oxygen, parts of it start dying in as little as 20 minutes.
(And since Michael Schiavo didn't call the ambulance for between 40 to
70 minutes, you connect the dots).
Your claim that he waited 40 to 70 minutes is a complete lie. If he'd
waited that long she would have been dead and getting stiff by the
time medics arrived. It would have not been possible to revive her.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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22 Jun 2005 09:16:24 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:d9d5c3$e0i$1@bolt.sonic.net...
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
Screechers: What do you think happens when the heart fails?
'Scuse me, Ray....
You damn well don't get revived 70 minutes later. You're fucking dead in
about ten...
Have you fuckwits found *ANY* ***** conspiracy that you won't propagate?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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22 Jun 2005 11:20:34 PM |
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yahooX.com> writes:
:"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
:news:d9d5c3$e0i$1@bolt.sonic.net...
:> <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
:> >Lars Eighner wrote:
:> >> > There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
:> >> I did not say any part of heart died.
:> > Screechers: What do you think happens when the heart fails?
:'Scuse me, Ray....
:You damn well don't get revived 70 minutes later. You're fucking dead in
:about ten...
That's what Ray pointed out.
:Have you fuckwits found *ANY* ***** conspiracy that you won't propagate?
What do you expect from Ann Coulter's "sneechres" sockpuppet?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| User: "" |
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24 Jun 2005 11:17:58 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
What do you think happens when the heart fails? When it stops
receiving oxygen, parts of it start dying in as little as 20 minutes.
(And since Michael Schiavo didn't call the ambulance for between 40 to
70 minutes, you connect the dots).
Your claim that he waited 40 to 70 minutes is a complete lie.
Those were his words under oath in a court of law in 1992.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/national/main702689.shtml
If he'd
waited that long she would have been dead and getting stiff by the
time medics arrived.
Only had she been having heart problems, which she did not.
Seems Michael Schiavo is the one with heart problems.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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24 Jun 2005 12:19:59 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
What do you think happens when the heart fails? When it stops
receiving oxygen, parts of it start dying in as little as 20 minutes.
(And since Michael Schiavo didn't call the ambulance for between 40 to
70 minutes, you connect the dots).
Your claim that he waited 40 to 70 minutes is a complete lie.
Those were his words under oath in a court of law in 1992.
Who gives a *****, moron? 40 minutes after the hearts stops there is
no chance of revival. Are you really such a hate-filled creep that
you will ignore that basic fact?
If he'd
waited that long she would have been dead and getting stiff by the
time medics arrived.
Only had she been having heart problems, which she did not.
Which is why the medics had to revive her.
Seems Michael Schiavo is the one with heart problems.
Seems like you don't have one. All you seem to understand is hate.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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24 Jun 2005 09:54:21 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
What do you think happens when the heart fails? When it stops
receiving oxygen, parts of it start dying in as little as 20 minutes.
(And since Michael Schiavo didn't call the ambulance for between 40 to
70 minutes, you connect the dots).
Your claim that he waited 40 to 70 minutes is a complete lie.
Those were his words under oath in a court of law in 1992.
Who gives a *****, moron?
Touched a nerve, did I. It sucks to be you, defending yet another
less-than-ethical type. I see you moved on from Ward Churchill to
Michael Schiavo. Who's next, Marion Berry? "Smoking crack isn't
really getting high."?
40 minutes after the hearts stops there is
no chance of revival. Are you really such a hate-filled creep that
you will ignore that basic fact?
It's a fact that has no bearing on the Schiavo case.
If he'd
waited that long she would have been dead and getting stiff by the
time medics arrived.
Only had she been having heart problems, which she did not.
Which is why the medics had to revive her.
Irrelevant. If you have brain problems, your heart will have problems
without the issue even starting with the heart.
Seems Michael Schiavo is the one with heart problems.
Seems like you don't have one.
If your behavior signifies having one, I guess I'm ahead of the game.
All you seem to understand is hate.
Whereas, you think it's love to sleep with someone other than your
wife. Which is why I would bet my next paycheck you are either not
married and never have been, or are putting up some kind of insanity
front on Usenet.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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25 Jun 2005 12:27:05 AM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Your claim that he waited 40 to 70 minutes is a complete lie.
Those were his words under oath in a court of law in 1992.
Who gives a *****, moron?
Touched a nerve, did I.
I get tired of hate-filled liars like you. Nowhere did he say that he
waited an hour. He said he called 911 immediately.
But you prefer to assume that everybody is as twisted as you are.
It sucks to be you, defending yet another
less-than-ethical type.
I'm not defending you.
40 minutes after the hearts stops there is
no chance of revival. Are you really such a hate-filled creep that
you will ignore that basic fact?
It's a fact that has no bearing on the Schiavo case.
You're full of ***** again, coward. It is proof that he did NOT wait
before calling for help.
If he'd
waited that long she would have been dead and getting stiff by the
time medics arrived.
Only had she been having heart problems, which she did not.
Which is why the medics had to revive her.
Irrelevant.
It's more proof that you were lying when you claimed he waited an
hour.
Seems Michael Schiavo is the one with heart problems.
Seems like you don't have one.
If your behavior signifies having one, I guess I'm ahead of the game.
All you seem to understand is hate.
Whereas, you think it's love to sleep with someone other than your
wife.
And there you resort to your usual hatred and lies.
It is all that you understand.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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25 Jun 2005 01:48:37 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Your claim that he waited 40 to 70 minutes is a complete lie.
Those were his words under oath in a court of law in 1992.
Who gives a *****, moron?
Touched a nerve, did I.
I get tired of hate-filled liars like you.
It's more like you get tired of the truth coming back and biting you in
the *****.
Nowhere did he say that he
waited an hour.
Court records show that to be the case.
He said he called 911 immediately.
Then he contradicts himself. Just the type of person you can relate
to.
It sucks to be you, defending yet another
less-than-ethical type.
I'm not defending you.
I don't need you to.
40 minutes after the hearts stops there is
no chance of revival. Are you really such a hate-filled creep that
you will ignore that basic fact?
It's a fact that has no bearing on the Schiavo case.
You're full of ***** again, coward.
No, I have read the case and the autopsy report (which found absolutely
no evidence of heart trauma whatsoever). When you are finished being
angry at me (at yourself by extension I guess), feel free to do the
same.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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25 Jun 2005 12:27:31 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Your claim that he waited 40 to 70 minutes is a complete lie.
Those were his words under oath in a court of law in 1992.
Who gives a *****, moron?
Touched a nerve, did I.
I get tired of hate-filled liars like you.
It's more like you get tired of the truth coming
In fact your claim that he waited an hour as alreday been shown to be
just another one of your lies.
Nowhere did he say that he
waited an hour.
Court records show that to be the case.
You're lying again. Court records show nothing of the sort.
He said he called 911 immediately.
Then he contradicts himself.
Name one person who hasn't done so at least once.
40 minutes after the hearts stops there is
no chance of revival. Are you really such a hate-filled creep that
you will ignore that basic fact?
It's a fact that has no bearing on the Schiavo case.
You're full of ***** again, coward.
No,
You try to insinuate some criminal motive and when you cannot find any
credible evidence you start lying.
I have read the case and the autopsy report
But you don't have a medical degree. And you ignore the fact that the
report also found no evidence of any trauma that Michael supposedly
inflicted.
(which found absolutely
no evidence of heart trauma whatsoever).
Which only means that there was no myocardial infarction. It doesn't
mean that there couldn't have been fibrillation.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "IAAH" |
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25 Jun 2005 10:08:55 AM |
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On 24 Jun 2005 23:48:37 -0700, wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
< > wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Your claim that he waited 40 to 70 minutes is a complete lie.
Those were his words under oath in a court of law in 1992.
Who gives a *****, moron?
Touched a nerve, did I.
I get tired of hate-filled liars like you.
It's more like you get tired of the truth coming back and biting you in
the *****.
Nowhere did he say that he
waited an hour.
Court records show that to be the case.
He said he called 911 immediately.
Then he contradicts himself. Just the type of person you can relate
to.
It sucks to be you, defending yet another
less-than-ethical type.
I'm not defending you.
I don't need you to.
40 minutes after the hearts stops there is
no chance of revival. Are you really such a hate-filled creep that
you will ignore that basic fact?
It's a fact that has no bearing on the Schiavo case.
You're full of ***** again, coward.
No, I have read the case and the autopsy report (which found absolutely
no evidence of heart trauma whatsoever). When you are finished being
angry at me (at yourself by extension I guess), feel free to do the
same.
And yet the EMS on scene say they found her in ventricular defib when
they arrived and so there is no way it was an hour or even close to
it, because she would have been dead. Funny how you keep ignoring that
inconvenient (for you, anyway) fact.
--S
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25 Jun 2005 04:40:43 AM |
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On 24 Jun 2005 19:54:21 -0700, wrote:
<snip>
Whereas, you think it's love to sleep with someone other than your
wife. Which is why I would bet my next paycheck you are either not
married and never have been, or are putting up some kind of insanity
front on Usenet.
--S
Look, you don't know Michael Schaivo's heart. You've got some
jingoistic monogamy slogans there, but I happen to have real life
polyamorous and multiple partner experiences (both my own and multiple
other people's) that tells me your statement shows an amazing
ignorance about the nature and complexity of love.
-- Darklady
www.darklady.com
www.masturbate-a-thon.org
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| User: "" |
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25 Jun 2005 01:52:58 PM |
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Darklady wrote:
On 24 Jun 2005 19:54:21 -0700, wrote:
<snip>
Whereas, you think it's love to sleep with someone other than your
wife. Which is why I would bet my next paycheck you are either not
married and never have been, or are putting up some kind of insanity
front on Usenet.
--S
Look, you don't know Michael Schaivo's heart.
He doesn't have one. And it appears that neither do you.
--S
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| User: "Darklady" |
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27 Jun 2005 01:15:11 PM |
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On 25 Jun 2005 11:52:58 -0700, wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On 24 Jun 2005 19:54:21 -0700, wrote:
<snip>
Whereas, you think it's love to sleep with someone other than your
wife. Which is why I would bet my next paycheck you are either not
married and never have been, or are putting up some kind of insanity
front on Usenet.
--S
Look, you don't know Michael Schaivo's heart.
He doesn't have one. And it appears that neither do you.
Odd that I'm the more sympathetic and empathetic one and
you're the one talking about hate while refusing to acknowledge that
someone whose actions you disagree with might have "a heart." You're
the one busy dehumanizing others, not me. From what you've written, it
appears to me that you saw Terri as just a sack of meat to be foisted
off on whomever would hydrate it.
-- Darklady
http://www.darklady.com
http://www.masturbate-a-thon.org
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| User: "" |
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30 Jun 2005 09:49:49 PM |
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Darklady wrote:
On 25 Jun 2005 11:52:58 -0700, wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On 24 Jun 2005 19:54:21 -0700, wrote:
<snip>
Whereas, you think it's love to sleep with someone other than your
wife. Which is why I would bet my next paycheck you are either not
married and never have been, or are putting up some kind of insanity
front on Usenet.
--S
Look, you don't know Michael Schaivo's heart.
He doesn't have one. And it appears that neither do you.
Odd that I'm the more sympathetic and empathetic one
You are? Your behavior passes for sympathy and empathy? Give me
indifference any day of the week.
and
you're the one talking about hate
Ah, the old victim posture. Everyone who disagrees with you hates you.
while refusing to acknowledge that
someone whose actions you disagree with might have "a heart."
I don't happen to find any of Michael Schiavo's statements or actions
in this case anything but heartless.
You're
the one busy dehumanizing others, not me.
Do you even know what that word means, honey?
From what you've written, it
appears to me that you saw Terri as just a sack of meat to be foisted
off on whomever would hydrate it.
Hm, since I never referred to Terri in that fashion and never would,
and since her parents fought tooth and nail for the privelege of caring
for her, who are you addressing? You must have me confused with
someone else.
--S
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24 Jun 2005 01:11:13 PM |
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On 24 Jun 2005 09:17:58 -0700, wrote:
Your claim that he waited 40 to 70 minutes is a complete lie.
Those were his words under oath in a court of law in 1992.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/national/main702689.shtml
People have been known to be wrong in courts of law....DOH!
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
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