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"quibbler" |
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15 Jun 2005 07:53:35 PM |
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Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
Now that the autopsy vindicates what Michael Schiavo was saying all
along he should make a long list of people to sue who defamed/libeled
him, starting with Fox News, the Repug National Committee, Randall Terry
and Operation Rescue, Bill First, Tom DeLay, Jeb Bush, George Bush, Bill
O'Reilly, Sean Insanity, Michael "Weiner boy" Savage, the Schindlers and
many more. Specifically, malpractice charges also need to be filed
against First for his incompetent and unethical attempt to diagnose
Terry Schiavo by watching heavily edited home video footage. If Schiavo
and Felos cast a wide enough net and sues enough of them then maybe some
of them will even settle out of court and it will give them millions to
establish some kind of foundation to defend the rights and privacy of
americans from attack by all the christo-fascist zombie assholes out
there. That would be so fucking sweet.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
27 Jun 2005 11:18:05 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
IAAH wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com wrote:
No, it wasn't. Paramedics didn't start treating her until almost 6am.
Which is about the time many working folks are waking up and getting
ready for work.
So what?
So that is a HUGE time difference. If you're so befuddled by events in
your life that you cannot tell the difference between "dark outside"
and "light outside" maybe YOU should be put into a hospice and be fed
through a tube.
Tell us exactly when it started to get light outside.
Tell us what time dawn was on that date.
Tell us exactly what time sunrise was yesterday.
Feel free to look up the information yourself in the Farmer's Almanac
or my favorite, the Weather Underground.
You don't seem to have a point except to say that since he apparently
doesn't run his day the way you do,
No, the point was that if he didn't know what time it was, that is what
he should have said in a court of law.
And if you don't know exactly what happened
The paramedics said what happened.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
27 Jun 2005 11:52:27 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
IAAH wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com wrote:
No, it wasn't. Paramedics didn't start treating her until almost 6am.
Which is about the time many working folks are waking up and getting
ready for work.
So what?
So that is a HUGE time difference. If you're so befuddled by events in
your life that you cannot tell the difference between "dark outside"
and "light outside" maybe YOU should be put into a hospice and be fed
through a tube.
Tell us exactly when it started to get light outside.
Tell us what time dawn was on that date.
Tell us exactly what time sunrise was yesterday.
Feel free to look up the information yourself in the Farmer's Almanac
In other words, your claim that you check the time is complete
*****. More of your usual lies.
You don't seem to have a point except to say that since he apparently
doesn't run his day the way you do,
No, the point was that if he didn't know what time it was, that is what
he should have said in a court of law.
And if you don't know exactly what happened
The paramedics said what happened.
And according to their testimony, you're a liar.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
30 Jun 2005 09:34:35 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
IAAH wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com wrote:
No, it wasn't. Paramedics didn't start treating her until almost 6am.
Which is about the time many working folks are waking up and getting
ready for work.
So what?
So that is a HUGE time difference. If you're so befuddled by events in
your life that you cannot tell the difference between "dark outside"
and "light outside" maybe YOU should be put into a hospice and be fed
through a tube.
Tell us exactly when it started to get light outside.
Tell us what time dawn was on that date.
Tell us exactly what time sunrise was yesterday.
Feel free to look up the information yourself in the Farmer's Almanac
In other words, your claim that you check the time is complete
*****.
No, it's not. I just don't care about those events. They have nothing
to do with my schedule.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
30 Jun 2005 11:57:47 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
IAAH wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com wrote:
No, it wasn't. Paramedics didn't start treating her until almost 6am.
Which is about the time many working folks are waking up and getting
ready for work.
So what?
So that is a HUGE time difference. If you're so befuddled by events in
your life that you cannot tell the difference between "dark outside"
and "light outside" maybe YOU should be put into a hospice and be fed
through a tube.
Tell us exactly when it started to get light outside.
Tell us what time dawn was on that date.
Tell us exactly what time sunrise was yesterday.
Feel free to look up the information yourself in the Farmer's Almanac
In other words, your claim that you check the time is complete
*****.
No, it's not. I just don't care about those events.
That's the point, screeches. When your spouse's life is in peril you
don't care what time it is.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
01 Jul 2005 10:24:35 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
In other words, your claim that you check the time is complete
*****.
No, it's not. I just don't care about those events.
That's the point, screeches.
You've been lacking one of those ever since you started posting.
When your spouse's life is in peril you
don't care what time it is.
You don't care about anything or anyone except killing fetuses and the
disabled. Regardless on what time scale it is done.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
01 Jul 2005 09:22:12 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
In other words, your claim that you check the time is complete
*****.
No, it's not. I just don't care about those events.
That's the point, screeches.
When your spouse's life is in peril you
don't care what time it is.
You don't care about anything or anyone except killing fetuses and the
disabled. Regardless on what time scale it is done.
As usual you resort to spewing outright lies and hatred at anybody who
exposes your complete dishoensty and evil.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
01 Jul 2005 02:23:18 PM |
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wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
When your spouse's life is in peril you
don't care what time it is.
You don't care about anything or anyone except killing fetuses and the
disabled. Regardless on what time scale it is done.
ignore him everyone, this just shows the idiot is a total and utter fuckwit
--S
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| User: "Darklady" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
01 Jul 2005 11:13:33 AM |
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On 1 Jul 2005 08:24:35 -0700, wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
< > wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
In other words, your claim that you check the time is complete
*****.
No, it's not. I just don't care about those events.
That's the point, screeches.
You've been lacking one of those ever since you started posting.
When your spouse's life is in peril you
don't care what time it is.
You don't care about anything or anyone except killing fetuses and the
disabled. Regardless on what time scale it is done.
And absolutist ***** like this is why we're never going to
resolve this conversation rationally. You'd rather discredit and
dehumanize your opponant than deal with facts and realities that don't
conform to your predetermined opinions.
To call Terri Schaivo "disabled" is to show an utter
disinterest and ignorance in those who are truly disabled.
-- Darklady
www.darklady.com
www.masturbate-a-thon.org
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
01 Jul 2005 10:01:28 PM |
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Darklady wrote:
On 1 Jul 2005 08:24:35 -0700, wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
< > wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
In other words, your claim that you check the time is complete
*****.
No, it's not. I just don't care about those events.
That's the point, screeches.
You've been lacking one of those ever since you started posting.
When your spouse's life is in peril you
don't care what time it is.
You don't care about anything or anyone except killing fetuses and the
disabled. Regardless on what time scale it is done.
And absolutist ***** like this
Do I detect a tantrum coming on?
is why we're never going to
resolve this conversation rationally.
This is not my fault. Your denial of the facts and untenable amoral
positions are the problem.
--S
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| User: "Darklady" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
02 Jul 2005 03:11:57 AM |
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On 1 Jul 2005 20:01:28 -0700, wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On 1 Jul 2005 08:24:35 -0700, wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
< > wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
In other words, your claim that you check the time is complete
*****.
No, it's not. I just don't care about those events.
That's the point, screeches.
You've been lacking one of those ever since you started posting.
When your spouse's life is in peril you
don't care what time it is.
You don't care about anything or anyone except killing fetuses and the
disabled. Regardless on what time scale it is done.
And absolutist ***** like this
Do I detect a tantrum coming on?
Perhaps you should have a lie down so that you can avoid the
tantrum you're detecting.
is why we're never going to
resolve this conversation rationally.
This is not my fault. Your denial of the facts and untenable amoral
positions are the problem.
Since yours is based on hateful and false accusations and
personal prejudices, I'd say that's a pretty bit laugh.
-- Darklady
www.darklady.com
www.masturbate-a-thon.org
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
02 Jul 2005 10:15:03 AM |
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Darklady wrote:
On 1 Jul 2005 20:01:28 -0700, wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On 1 Jul 2005 08:24:35 -0700, wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
< > wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
In other words, your claim that you check the time is complete
*****.
No, it's not. I just don't care about those events.
That's the point, screeches.
You've been lacking one of those ever since you started posting.
When your spouse's life is in peril you
don't care what time it is.
You don't care about anything or anyone except killing fetuses and the
disabled. Regardless on what time scale it is done.
And absolutist ***** like this
Do I detect a tantrum coming on?
Perhaps you should have a lie down so that you can avoid the
tantrum you're detecting.
Is that how you do it?
is why we're never going to
resolve this conversation rationally.
This is not my fault. Your denial of the facts and untenable amoral
positions are the problem.
Since yours is based on hateful and false accusations
Really, what was false and hateful about what I said? The problem is
that you cannot stand seeing a character discrepancy in someone you
obviously have decided is worthy of your worship.
and
personal prejudices,
Are you trying to tell me this is a character trait that you lack?
That would be a lie, wouldn't it.
--S
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| User: "Darklady" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
03 Jul 2005 03:21:59 AM |
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On 2 Jul 2005 08:15:03 -0700, wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On 1 Jul 2005 20:01:28 -0700, wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On 1 Jul 2005 08:24:35 -0700, wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
< > wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
In other words, your claim that you check the time is complete
*****.
No, it's not. I just don't care about those events.
That's the point, screeches.
You've been lacking one of those ever since you started posting.
When your spouse's life is in peril you
don't care what time it is.
You don't care about anything or anyone except killing fetuses and the
disabled. Regardless on what time scale it is done.
And absolutist ***** like this
Do I detect a tantrum coming on?
Perhaps you should have a lie down so that you can avoid the
tantrum you're detecting.
Is that how you do it?
is why we're never going to
resolve this conversation rationally.
This is not my fault. Your denial of the facts and untenable amoral
positions are the problem.
Since yours is based on hateful and false accusations
Really, what was false and hateful about what I said? The problem is
that you cannot stand seeing a character discrepancy in someone you
obviously have decided is worthy of your worship.
"Worship?"
You can't even have a vaguely rational conversation due to
your utter inability to avoid the stupidest of personal insults.
Sheesh.
"Worship?"
Get OVER yourself.
and
personal prejudices,
Are you trying to tell me this is a character trait that you lack?
That would be a lie, wouldn't it.
I don't lie. I don't have the stomach for it. I have personal
prejudices but I make an effort to look past them when evaluating a
difficult situation. You appear utterly incapable of such a thing.
I've never vilified Terri's parents. But you constantly vilify
not only Michael but any poster who defends or tries to
explain/understand his actions.
-- Darklady
www.darklady.com
www.masturbate-a-thon.org
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| User: "" |
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04 Jul 2005 02:29:49 PM |
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Darklady wrote:
On 2 Jul 2005 08:15:03 -0700, wrote:
Since yours is based on hateful and false accusations
Really, what was false and hateful about what I said? The problem is
that you cannot stand seeing a character discrepancy in someone you
obviously have decided is worthy of your worship.
"Worship?"
What is it about Michael Schiavo that makes you think he needs you to
defend him? What did he do that's so wonderful that you are willing to
personally insult people who strongly disagree with his actions and
beliefs?
The issue here is that he doesn't have any value for human life.
That's a moral position that you have in common with him. I wonder
what it is he could do to make you dislike him.
and
personal prejudices,
Are you trying to tell me this is a character trait that you lack?
That would be a lie, wouldn't it.
I don't lie.
LMAO, why don't I believe that?
I don't have the stomach for it.
I'd rather you did, since lying is probably not as bad as defending
people who are in favor of euthanizing their estranged disabled
spouses.
I have personal
prejudices but I make an effort to look past them when evaluating a
difficult situation.
The hell you do. You apparently saved them all up and they manifested
themselves as insults that you directed my way.
You appear utterly incapable of such a thing.
The difference between you and me is that I don't lie to myself about
my personal prejudices, and I haven't decided to adopt some twisted
position that having prejudices is somehow wrong/unnatural.
I've never vilified Terri's parents.
Congratulations. Apparently you saved your vilifications for people
who merely agree with them.
But you constantly vilify
not only Michael
What exactly did I do to "vilify" Michael Schiavo? The truth hurts,
doesn't it.
but any poster who defends or tries to
explain/understand his actions.
The fact that you would feel the need to do so is an action that speaks
for itself.
--S
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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04 Jul 2005 02:39:04 PM |
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wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On 2 Jul 2005 08:15:03 -0700, wrote:
Since yours is based on hateful and false accusations
Really, what was false and hateful about what I said? The problem is
that you cannot stand seeing a character discrepancy in someone you
obviously have decided is worthy of your worship.
"Worship?"
What is it about Michael Schiavo that makes you think he needs you to
defend him? What did he do that's so wonderful that you are willing to
personally insult people who strongly disagree with his actions and
beliefs?
The issue here is that he doesn't have any value for human life.
Oh, the irony...
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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04 Jul 2005 03:02:41 PM |
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On 2 Jul 2005 08:15:03 -0700, wrote:
Since yours is based on hateful and false accusations
Really, what was false and hateful about what I said? The problem is
that you cannot stand seeing a character discrepancy in someone you
obviously have decided is worthy of your worship.
"Worship?"
What is it about Michael Schiavo that makes you think he needs you to
defend him? What did he do that's so wonderful that you are willing to
personally insult people who strongly disagree with his actions and
beliefs?
The issue here is that he doesn't have any value for human life.
Oh, the irony...
Screeches would rather spend millions on keeping the body of severely
brain-damaged woman alive than on helping people in need. Screeches
would rather spend hundreds of billions of dollars killing tens of
thousands Iraqis than on helping the people of this country.
Why?
Because screeches values life.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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06 Jul 2005 11:53:58 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On 2 Jul 2005 08:15:03 -0700, wrote:
Since yours is based on hateful and false accusations
Really, what was false and hateful about what I said? The problem is
that you cannot stand seeing a character discrepancy in someone you
obviously have decided is worthy of your worship.
"Worship?"
What is it about Michael Schiavo that makes you think he needs you to
defend him? What did he do that's so wonderful that you are willing to
personally insult people who strongly disagree with his actions and
beliefs?
The issue here is that he doesn't have any value for human life.
Oh, the irony...
Screeches would rather spend millions on keeping the body of severely
brain-damaged woman alive than on helping people in need.
It wouldn't really cost millions. And it was Michael Schiavo's bill.
He was given the money to pay it.
Screeches
would rather spend hundreds of billions of dollars killing tens of
thousands Iraqis than on helping the people of this country.
What doth the Constitution say?
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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07 Jul 2005 12:12:32 AM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com wrote:
The issue here is that he doesn't have any value for human life.
Oh, the irony...
Screeches would rather spend millions on keeping the body of severely
brain-damaged woman alive than on helping people in need.
It wouldn't really cost millions.
$200 for basic care plus all of the extra "therapy" that you demand.
And it was Michael Schiavo's bill.
Quite the socialist, aren't you? Spend other people's money on what
you want.
Screeches
would rather spend hundreds of billions of dollars killing tens of
thousands Iraqis than on helping the people of this country.
What doth the Constitution say?
You should try reading it someday.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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07 Jul 2005 09:44:37 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com wrote:
The issue here is that he doesn't have any value for human life.
Oh, the irony...
Screeches would rather spend millions on keeping the body of severely
brain-damaged woman alive than on helping people in need.
It wouldn't really cost millions.
$200 for basic care plus all of the extra "therapy" that you demand.
How much money is your life worth, Ray? Shall we subject it to a
cost-benefit analysis?
And it was Michael Schiavo's bill.
Quite the socialist, aren't you?
How is it socialist to expect a family to take care of their own?
Spend other people's money on what
you want.
It wasn't his money. The court ruled that it was supposed to be spent
on Terri's care.
Maybe now you aren't liking what the courts have to say. Maybe you
just don't like the idea of personal responsibility--is it
unconstitutional to expect mothers to care for their children?
Screeches
would rather spend hundreds of billions of dollars killing tens of
thousands Iraqis than on helping the people of this country.
What doth the Constitution say?
You should try reading it someday.
I have, especially the part where it says the US shall have a military
and provide for the common defense.
Nothing in there about dehydrating people to death, though.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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07 Jul 2005 11:20:09 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com wrote:
The issue here is that he doesn't have any value for human life.
Oh, the irony...
Screeches would rather spend millions on keeping the body of severely
brain-damaged woman alive than on helping people in need.
It wouldn't really cost millions.
$200 for basic care plus all of the extra "therapy" that you demand.
How much money is your life worth, Ray?
You're changing the subject, screeches.
Shall we subject it to a
cost-benefit analysis?
Do you know of ANYBODY's life that isn't subject to a cost-benefit
analysis?
And it was Michael Schiavo's bill.
Quite the socialist, aren't you?
How is it socialist to expect a family to take care of their own?
You want to spend other people's money. Although it'd be more
accurate to describe you as a communist.
Spend other people's money on what
you want.
It wasn't his money.
It certainly isn't yours.
Screeches
would rather spend hundreds of billions of dollars killing tens of
thousands Iraqis than on helping the people of this country.
What doth the Constitution say?
You should try reading it someday.
I have, especially the part where it says the US shall have a military
and provide for the common defense.
Since invading Iraq had nothing to do with defending the US it would
seem that you're spouting the usual neocon propaganda again in another
pathetic attempt to justify killing tens of thousands of innocent
people.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
08 Jul 2005 02:19:02 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com wrote:
The issue here is that he doesn't have any value for human life.
Oh, the irony...
Screeches would rather spend millions on keeping the body of severely
brain-damaged woman alive than on helping people in need.
It wouldn't really cost millions.
$200 for basic care plus all of the extra "therapy" that you demand.
How much money is your life worth, Ray?
You're changing the subject, screeches.
No, I'm not. If you're so upset about how much it costs to take care
of the disabled, that means you think that their life isn't worth the
money.
Maybe your life isn't worth the money, either.
Shall we subject it to a
cost-benefit analysis?
Do you know of ANYBODY's life that isn't subject to a cost-benefit
analysis?
All United States citizens, supposedly. We don't kill people here
because they are expensive.
And it was Michael Schiavo's bill.
Quite the socialist, aren't you?
How is it socialist to expect a family to take care of their own?
You want to spend other people's money.
The court wanted to spend the doctor's money. The court ruled as to
what the settlement should be spent on.
Sorry you don't like it.
Spend other people's money on what
you want.
It wasn't his money.
It certainly isn't yours.
I didn't say it was. I'm only advocating that the court ruling in that
case should have been upheld. Are you now for throwing out court
rulings?
Screeches
would rather spend hundreds of billions of dollars killing tens of
thousands Iraqis than on helping the people of this country.
What doth the Constitution say?
You should try reading it someday.
I have, especially the part where it says the US shall have a military
and provide for the common defense.
Since invading Iraq had nothing to do with defending the US
That is incorrect.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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08 Jul 2005 07:32:47 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com wrote:
The issue here is that he doesn't have any value for human life.
Oh, the irony...
Screeches would rather spend millions on keeping the body of severely
brain-damaged woman alive than on helping people in need.
It wouldn't really cost millions.
$200 for basic care plus all of the extra "therapy" that you demand.
How much money is your life worth, Ray?
You're changing the subject, screeches.
No, I'm not.
Yes you are. You're whining that other people should spend their money
to keep alive a body without a mind while people in need who can ask
for help are dying.
Shall we subject it to a
cost-benefit analysis?
Do you know of ANYBODY's life that isn't subject to a cost-benefit
analysis?
All United States citizens, supposedly.
LOL! Guess again! From environmental laws to traffic laws to all
forms of construction to insurance policies, cost-benefit analysis
pervades the US economy.
We don't kill people here
because they are expensive.
We let them die instead. YOU let them die instead.
And it was Michael Schiavo's bill.
Quite the socialist, aren't you?
How is it socialist to expect a family to take care of their own?
You want to spend other people's money.
The court wanted to spend the doctor's money.
Nope.
Spend other people's money on what
you want.
It wasn't his money.
It certainly isn't yours.
I didn't say it was.
You keep insisting that it be spent as YOU say.
I'm only advocating that the court ruling in that
case should have been upheld.
It was.
Screeches
would rather spend hundreds of billions of dollars killing tens of
thousands Iraqis than on helping the people of this country.
What doth the Constitution say?
You should try reading it someday.
I have, especially the part where it says the US shall have a military
and provide for the common defense.
Since invading Iraq had nothing to do with defending the US
That is incorrect.
Of course it's correct, you neocon moron. Iraq was no threat. That's
what everybody from the UN to the US intelligence services to the 9/11
commission have concluded.
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com wrote:
The issue here is that he doesn't have any value for human life.
Oh, the irony...
Screeches would rather spend millions on keeping the body of severely
brain-damaged woman alive than on helping people in need.
It wouldn't really cost millions.
$200 for basic care plus all of the extra "therapy" that you demand.
How much money is your life worth, Ray?
You're changing the subject, screeches.
No, I'm not.
Yes you are.
You're just being obtuse.
You're whining that other people should spend their money
It was not Michael Schiavo's money. The court ruled how the money
should be spent. What part of that do you have a problem with?
Shall we subject it to a
cost-benefit analysis?
Do you know of ANYBODY's life that isn't subject to a cost-benefit
analysis?
All United States citizens, supposedly.
LOL! Guess again!
No, you guess again.
From environmental laws to traffic laws to all
forms of construction to insurance policies, cost-benefit analysis
pervades the US economy.
Irrelevant.
We don't kill people here
because they are expensive.
We let them die instead.
The death rate is holding steady at 100%. Maybe you think this is an
argument for actively causing the event?
And it was Michael Schiavo's bill.
Quite the socialist, aren't you?
How is it socialist to expect a family to take care of their own?
You want to spend other people's money.
The court wanted to spend the doctor's money.
Nope.
Yep.
Read the decisions.
Spend other people's money on what
you want.
It wasn't his money.
It certainly isn't yours.
I didn't say it was.
You keep insisting that it be spent as YOU say.
No, I said that the court decision should have been upheld.
I'm only advocating that the court ruling in that
case should have been upheld.
It was.
No, it wasn't. Every dollar spent on lawyers was a dollar taken from
the woman's care.
Since invading Iraq had nothing to do with defending the US
That is incorrect.
Of course it's correct, you neocon moron.
No, it's not.
Iraq was no threat.
Look up Operation Southern Watch and get back to me.
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08 Jul 2005 11:20:11 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com wrote:
The issue here is that he doesn't have any value for human life.
Oh, the irony...
Screeches would rather spend millions on keeping the body of severely
brain-damaged woman alive than on helping people in need.
It wouldn't really cost millions.
$200 for basic care plus all of the extra "therapy" that you demand.
How much money is your life worth, Ray?
You're changing the subject, screeches.
No, I'm not.
Yes you are.
You're just being obtuse.
You're whining that other people should spend their money
It was not Michael Schiavo's money.
Yes, it was.
The court ruled how the money
should be spent.
And that's how it was spent, screeches.
Shall we subject it to a
cost-benefit analysis?
Do you know of ANYBODY's life that isn't subject to a cost-benefit
analysis?
All United States citizens, supposedly.
LOL! Guess again!
No, you guess again.
Don't need to, screeches. I know how the _real_ world works.
From environmental laws to traffic laws to all
forms of construction to insurance policies, cost-benefit analysis
pervades the US economy.
Irrelevant.
You're nuts.
Since invading Iraq had nothing to do with defending the US
That is incorrect.
Of course it's correct, you neocon moron.
No, it's not.
Iraq was no threat.
Iraq was no threat.
Look up Operation Southern Watch and get back to me.
Oooo! What an impressive argument! Ignore all the commissions and
reports that say that Iraq was no threat and make some obscure
reference instead.
Kook.
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08 Jul 2005 05:40:32 AM |
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On 8 Jul 2005 00:19:02 -0700, in alt.abortion with
message-id <1120807142.831210.100390@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
wrote:
Do you know of ANYBODY's life that isn't subject to a cost-benefit
analysis?
All United States citizens, supposedly. We don't kill people here
because they are expensive.
Of course we do. Every product produced by every company has that as
a factor, as does every governmental program.
Automobiles could be almost totally safe, with no fatalities and few
injuries. The problem is that they would be so expensive no one would
buy one and so ugly no one would drive one.
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08 Jul 2005 07:34:46 PM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
On 8 Jul 2005 00:19:02 -0700, in alt.abortion with
message-id <1120807142.831210.100390@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
wrote:
Do you know of ANYBODY's life that isn't subject to a cost-benefit
analysis?
All United States citizens, supposedly. We don't kill people here
because they are expensive.
Of course we do. Every product produced by every company has that as
a factor, as does every governmental program.
Automobiles could be almost totally safe, with no fatalities and few
injuries. The problem is that they would be so expensive no one would
buy one and so ugly no one would drive one.
Story, perhaps apochryphal: FAA government type was asked something
like "If we can build black boxes to withstand crashes why can't we
design airplanes to withstand crashes?"
The answer was "because highways aren't wide enough".
The point being that an airplane built to the same standards would be
far too heavy to fly.
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Ray Fischer
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04 Jul 2005 09:27:43 PM |
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On 4 Jul 2005 12:29:49 -0700, wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On 2 Jul 2005 08:15:03 -0700, wrote:
Since yours is based on hateful and false accusations
Really, what was false and hateful about what I said? The problem is
that you cannot stand seeing a character discrepancy in someone you
obviously have decided is worthy of your worship.
"Worship?"
What is it about Michael Schiavo that makes you think he needs you to
defend him? What did he do that's so wonderful that you are willing to
personally insult people who strongly disagree with his actions and
beliefs?
The courts have cleared Michael Schiavo. I don't believe he
needs anyone to defend him. I'm not posting in this thread because I
think he needs defending, I'm posting in this thread because it's a
topic that interests me and I've seen some pig-ignorant, absolutely
hateful accusations made that have repeatedly been proven false -- in
a court of law.
I have a tendency to call bullshitters on their *****.
The fact you can't even discuss the man or those of us who
disagree with you without becoming hysterical and melodramatic
suggests to me that you don't have much else to fall back on.
The issue here is that he doesn't have any value for human life.
That's a moral position that you have in common with him. I wonder
what it is he could do to make you dislike him.
Ah. So, when YOU insult someone for doing something you
disagree with it's ok. Is that how it works? But if someone tells you
that your hatred and accusations are based on things that a court of
law has decided aren't true, you whine like a school girl and throw a
fit, complete with virtual foot stamping.
At no point during our exchange have I said that your life has
no value. You, on the other hand, have repeatedly said such a thing
about others.
I don't like or dislike Michael Schiavo. I've never met the
man and probably never will. I just happen to think that he did the
right thing in a very difficult situation and that your insults are
based exclusively on personal opinion and prejudice.
and
personal prejudices,
Are you trying to tell me this is a character trait that you lack?
That would be a lie, wouldn't it.
I don't lie.
LMAO, why don't I believe that?
Because you expect from others what you know yourself so
capable of.
I don't have the stomach for it.
I'd rather you did, since lying is probably not as bad as defending
people who are in favor of euthanizing their estranged disabled
spouses.
You appear to be the expert on bad behavior...
But awfully ignorant about disability or what being
"estranged" from a spouse means.
I have personal
prejudices but I make an effort to look past them when evaluating a
difficult situation.
The hell you do. You apparently saved them all up and they manifested
themselves as insults that you directed my way.
And you, be comparison, are a virginal innocent who has never
said an unkind thing about another -- and certainly not in this
thread?
You appear utterly incapable of such a thing.
The difference between you and me is that I don't lie to myself about
my personal prejudices, and I haven't decided to adopt some twisted
position that having prejudices is somehow wrong/unnatural.
No, you've adopted a number of other twisted positions. Why,
you're a regular Chinese acrobat there, pretzel boy!
I've never vilified Terri's parents.
Congratulations. Apparently you saved your vilifications for people
who merely agree with them.
You've communicated that agreement in pretty insulting and
offensive terms. Can't take your own medicine?
But you constantly vilify
not only Michael
What exactly did I do to "vilify" Michael Schiavo? The truth hurts,
doesn't it.
I'm sure you find the truth painful on any number of
occasions.
You've called the man a liar, a murderer, and a person with no
value as a human being. I'd call that vilification.
but any poster who defends or tries to
explain/understand his actions.
The fact that you would feel the need to do so is an action that speaks
for itself.
It certainly does. Unfortunately, you can't hear what that
action is saying because you're so busy screaming and sticking your
fingers in your ears.
-- Darklady
www.darklady.com
www.masturbate-a-thon.org
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07 Jul 2005 12:13:55 AM |
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Darklady wrote:
On 4 Jul 2005 12:29:49 -0700, wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On 2 Jul 2005 08:15:03 -0700, wrote:
Since yours is based on hateful and false accusations
Really, what was false and hateful about what I said? The problem is
that you cannot stand seeing a character discrepancy in someone you
obviously have decided is worthy of your worship.
"Worship?"
What is it about Michael Schiavo that makes you think he needs you to
defend him? What did he do that's so wonderful that you are willing to
personally insult people who strongly disagree with his actions and
beliefs?
The courts have cleared Michael Schiavo.
Courts have now decided that your house isn't really yours. How do you
feel about that?
I don't believe he
needs anyone to defend him.
Then why are you doing it?
I'm not posting in this thread because I
think he needs defending,
You're posting here because people who see his actions negatively need
to be attacked, apparently.
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The issue here is that he doesn't have any value for human life.
That's a moral position that you have in common with him. I wonder
what it is he could do to make you dislike him.
Ah. So, when YOU insult someone for doing something you
disagree with it's ok.
If you cannot take it, do not dish it out.
Officially, I believe that statement. I have little doubt that you are
in favor of abortion, euthanasia, and if someone probed deep enough I
wouldn't be surprised to find certain racist tendencies. Deviancies
correlate.
At no point during our exchange have I said that your life has
no value.
You don't have to, dear.
You, on the other hand, have repeatedly said such a thing
about others.
Really? To exactly which of my statements do you refer? Please post
the message ID here.
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and
personal prejudices,
Are you trying to tell me this is a character trait that you lack?
That would be a lie, wouldn't it.
I don't lie.
LMAO, why don't I believe that?
Because you expect from others what you know yourself so
capable of.
Actually it's more like I expect from others what is to be expected
generally. Although it's an interesting tack for you to pawn off your
moral shortcomings onto me.
I don't have the stomach for it.
I'd rather you did, since lying is probably not as bad as defending
people who are in favor of euthanizing their estranged disabled
spouses.
You appear to be the expert on bad behavior...
You're just upset because I had the unmitigated gall to take a position
that opposes yours.
But awfully ignorant about disability
Go ahead and look the word up.
or what being
"estranged" from a spouse means.
I know what that word means, too. Go ahead and look it up.
I have personal
prejudices but I make an effort to look past them when evaluating a
difficult situation.
The hell you do. You apparently saved them all up and they manifested
themselves as insults that you directed my way.
And you, be comparison, are a virginal innocent who has never
said an unkind thing about another --
I would never say that about myself. Why, when I point out the fact
that you're a hypocrite of the lowest order, do you immediately turn
the conversation away from yourself?
Unlike you, I never presented myself as "compassionate" "empathetic"
"non-prejudiced" etc. And I never would. Quite the opposite. I am
stingy to a fault with my compassion, I couldn't care less about your
feelings, and I readily admit that I am totally biased.
You, on the other hand, have utterly failed to live up to your own
self-description.
You appear utterly incapable of such a thing.
The difference between you and me is that I don't lie to myself about
my personal prejudices, and I haven't decided to adopt some twisted
position that having prejudices is somehow wrong/unnatural.
No, you've adopted a number of other twisted positions.
You of all people would know.
I've never vilified Terri's parents.
Congratulations. Apparently you saved your vilifications for people
who merely agree with them.
You've communicated that agreement in pretty insulting and
offensive terms.
Such as?
But you constantly vilify
not only Michael
What exactly did I do to "vilify" Michael Schiavo? The truth hurts,
doesn't it.
I'm sure you find the truth painful on any number of
occasions.
Well, if I ever see you present it, I'll probably die of shock.
You've called the man a liar,
How is that not in fact technically the case? You do know what a lie
is, don't you? Instead of being upset at what I said, why not show
exactly how it is false?
a murderer,
I never called him a murderer, although that shoe technically also fits
in the moral sense, not the legal one.
and a person with no
value as a human being.
I don't believe I ever used those words to describe him. Maybe you
have me confused with someone else.
I'd call that vilification.
I would say that you seem overly emotional--instead of actually
debating the points, do you think repeating what a person says
constitutes an argument against what a person says?
but any poster who defends or tries to
explain/understand his actions.
The fact that you would feel the need to do so is an action that speaks
for itself.
It certainly does.
Indeed.
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07 Jul 2005 11:44:36 AM |
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<> wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On 4 Jul 2005 12:29:49 -0700, wrote:
Darklady wrote:
On 2 Jul 2005 08:15:03 -0700, wrote:
Since yours is based on hateful and false accusations
Really, what was false and hateful about what I said? The problem is
that you cannot stand seeing a character discrepancy in someone you
obviously have decided is worthy of your worship.
"Worship?"
What is it about Michael Schiavo that makes you think he needs you to
defend him? What did he do that's so wonderful that you are willing to
personally insult people who strongly disagree with his actions and
beliefs?
The courts have cleared Michael Schiavo.
Courts have now decided that your house isn't really yours. How do you
feel about that?
You've decided that a woman's body isn't hers.
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28 Jun 2005 10:11:07 AM |
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On 27 Jun 2005 21:18:05 -0700, wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
< > wrote:
IAAH wrote:
wrote:
No, it wasn't. Paramedics didn't start treating her until almost 6am.
Which is about the time many working folks are waking up and getting
ready for work.
So what?
So that is a HUGE time difference. If you're so befuddled by events in
your life that you cannot tell the difference between "dark outside"
and "light outside" maybe YOU should be put into a hospice and be fed
through a tube.
Tell us exactly when it started to get light outside.
Tell us what time dawn was on that date.
Tell us exactly what time sunrise was yesterday.
Feel free to look up the information yourself in the Farmer's Almanac
or my favorite, the Weather Underground.
You don't seem to have a point except to say that since he apparently
doesn't run his day the way you do,
No, the point was that if he didn't know what time it was, that is what
he should have said in a court of law.
And if you don't know exactly what happened
The paramedics said what happened.
So now the paramedics are able to remember every detail about this one
case out of hundreds, are they? You think that possible?
Keep digging, lightweight.
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30 Jun 2005 09:38:46 PM |
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Adam H. wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 21:18:05 -0700, wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
< > wrote:
IAAH wrote:
wrote:
No, it wasn't. Paramedics didn't start treating her until almost 6am.
Which is about the time many working folks are waking up and getting
ready for work.
So what?
So that is a HUGE time difference. If you're so befuddled by events in
your life that you cannot tell the difference between "dark outside"
and "light outside" maybe YOU should be put into a hospice and be fed
through a tube.
Tell us exactly when it started to get light outside.
Tell us what time dawn was on that date.
Tell us exactly what time sunrise was yesterday.
Feel free to look up the information yourself in the Farmer's Almanac
or my favorite, the Weather Underground.
You don't seem to have a point except to say that since he apparently
doesn't run his day the way you do,
No, the point was that if he didn't know what time it was, that is what
he should have said in a court of law.
And if you don't know exactly what happened
The paramedics said what happened.
So now the paramedics are able to remember every detail about this one
case out of hundreds, are they? You think that possible?
Yes, it's called, they keep logs. The dispatcher records the 911
calls. They even keep records of what kinds of calls come from certain
neighborhoods.
http://www.rcfp.org/pullouts/medicalprivacy/whatrecords.html
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