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15 Jun 2005 07:53:35 PM |
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Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
Now that the autopsy vindicates what Michael Schiavo was saying all
along he should make a long list of people to sue who defamed/libeled
him, starting with Fox News, the Repug National Committee, Randall Terry
and Operation Rescue, Bill First, Tom DeLay, Jeb Bush, George Bush, Bill
O'Reilly, Sean Insanity, Michael "Weiner boy" Savage, the Schindlers and
many more. Specifically, malpractice charges also need to be filed
against First for his incompetent and unethical attempt to diagnose
Terry Schiavo by watching heavily edited home video footage. If Schiavo
and Felos cast a wide enough net and sues enough of them then maybe some
of them will even settle out of court and it will give them millions to
establish some kind of foundation to defend the rights and privacy of
americans from attack by all the christo-fascist zombie assholes out
there. That would be so fucking sweet.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Alan Ferris" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
04 Jul 2005 12:59:41 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 00:18:57 -0700, Darklady <darklady@darklady.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 09:26:27 GMT, Alan Ferris <alan@spamddandd.com>
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On 2 Jul 2005 17:16:28 -0700, wrote:
Alan Ferris wrote:
On 1 Jul 2005 20:02:19 -0700, wrote:
Um, no. Ever heard of a forensic scientist (pick a field)?
Coroner giving time of death,
A coroner is not a forensic scientist.
They are in the UK where I post from.
Then you should know better than to make the asinine assertion that
expert witnesses like forensic scientists are only guessing.
Any forensic scientist is making an educated guess at time of death,
just as they will make many other educated guesses. They strangely do
not deny this, but you do, why?
<snip>
When my brother died, we didn't find his body for possibly a
few days. The medical examiner told me he could only guestimate what
day he died.
Even when found within an hour it is all a guess based on ambient
temperature vs remaining core temperature based on charted norms. But
as we all know, everybody is different and core temp loss is
different. Well everybody who bothers to find out about it.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
27 Jun 2005 12:34:13 AM |
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Sneechres wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
wrote:
IAAH wrote:
On 25 Jun 2005 11:55:09 -0700, wrote:
No, it wasn't. Paramedics didn't start treating her until almost 6am.
Which is about the time many working folks are waking up and getting
ready for work.
So what?
So that is a HUGE time difference. If you're so befuddled by events in
your life that you cannot tell the difference between "dark outside"
and "light outside" maybe YOU should be put into a hospice and be fed
through a tube.
Assuming that "6 AM" is "light outside."
Nautical twilight was 6:08 that day in St. Petersburg. By 6:35 it was
civil twilight. It would not have been pitch dark at that time.
Assuming you quantify "dark outside" as "pitch dark."
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| User: "Alan Ferris" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
25 Jun 2005 04:16:28 AM |
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On 24 Jun 2005 19:55:53 -0700, wrote:
Alan Ferris wrote:
On 24 Jun 2005 09:17:58 -0700, wrote:
Your claim that he waited 40 to 70 minutes is a complete lie.
Those were his words under oath in a court of law in 1992.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/national/main702689.shtml
People have been known to be wrong in courts of law....DOH!
Depending on the intent, it's either perjury or stupidity. Pick one.
What time did you have your cup of coffee a year ago yesterday, put
yourself under oath and then answer it.
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Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
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| User: "Sid9" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
24 Jun 2005 11:20:24 AM |
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This is a BS distraction from the
mess Bush,Jr is making of our country.
Now he's got his dummy
brother playing the same game
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1119629878.829530.299700@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
What do you think happens when the heart fails? When it stops
receiving oxygen, parts of it start dying in as little as 20 minutes.
(And since Michael Schiavo didn't call the ambulance for between 40 to
70 minutes, you connect the dots).
Your claim that he waited 40 to 70 minutes is a complete lie.
Those were his words under oath in a court of law in 1992.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/national/main702689.shtml
If he'd
waited that long she would have been dead and getting stiff by the
time medics arrived.
Only had she been having heart problems, which she did not.
Seems Michael Schiavo is the one with heart problems.
--S
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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22 Jun 2005 03:01:22 PM |
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In our last episode,
<1119459928.963341.294120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119374593.924283.226170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented broadcast on
alt.atheism:
There was evidence at the
time of her heart failure
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
What do you think happens when the heart fails? When it stops
receiving oxygen, parts of it start dying in as little as 20 minutes.
But the brain starts dying at three minutes.
(And since Michael Schiavo didn't call the ambulance for between 40 to
70 minutes, you connect the dots).
It is, of course, utter ***** that Michael did not call the
abulance for 40-70 minutes. This figure comes from a broadcast
interview with him 13 years after the fact and isn't consistent
with the facts as recorded at the time. Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse. Big deal.
Don't use big words that
you do not understand.
Myocardial infarction means heart attack. Look it up.
http://www.medicinenet.com/heart_attack/article.htm
It means death of heart tissue. The heart can stop circulating
blood efficiently (or at all) for other reasons.
There are several possible reason that a
healthy heart might stop circulating blood efficiently -
There is no evidence that Terri Schiavo had any kind of heart problems,
otherwise she would have been DOA in 1990.
Your mind is the best example of GIGO I have ever witnessed.
--
Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/
"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
24 Jun 2005 11:16:27 AM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119459928.963341.294120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119374593.924283.226170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented broadcast on
alt.atheism:
There was evidence at the
time of her heart failure
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
What do you think happens when the heart fails? When it stops
receiving oxygen, parts of it start dying in as little as 20 minutes.
But the brain starts dying at three minutes.
Where do you get your information?
http://watkins.gospelcom.net/NDE.htm
(And since Michael Schiavo didn't call the ambulance for between 40 to
70 minutes, you connect the dots).
It is, of course, utter ***** that Michael did not call the
abulance for 40-70 minutes.
Then he lied. Pick one.
This figure comes from a broadcast
interview with him 13 years after the fact
No, it came from his statements made in the medical malpractice suit in
1992 and on television a year later.
'In a letter faxed to Pinellas-Pasco County State Attorney Bernie
McCabe, the governor said Michael Schiavo testified in a 1992 medical
malpractice trial that he found his wife collapsed at 5 a.m. on Feb.
25, 1990, and he said in a 2003 television interview that he found her
about 4:30 a.m. He called 911 at 5:40 a.m.'
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/national/main702689.shtml
and isn't consistent
with the facts as recorded at the time.
The facts recorded at the time state that emergency services were
summoned at 5:40 am. Apparently both you and Michael Schiavo have poor
memories. I wonder if that is a consistent trait of certain kinds of
people.
Regardless, if he didn't find his wife at 5 am, he lied under oath.
Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse.
I would have. And I think a lot of other people would, too.
Big deal.
It is a big deal, I think you know it.
Don't use big words that
you do not understand.
Myocardial infarction means heart attack. Look it up.
http://www.medicinenet.com/heart_attack/article.htm
It means death of heart tissue. The heart can stop circulating
blood efficiently (or at all) for other reasons.
Name a single other reason listed in the ME's report.
There are several possible reason that a
healthy heart might stop circulating blood efficiently -
There is no evidence that Terri Schiavo had any kind of heart problems,
otherwise she would have been DOA in 1990.
Your mind is the best example of GIGO I have ever witnessed.
I'll consider your lack of response an admission of loss.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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24 Jun 2005 12:16:02 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
What do you think happens when the heart fails? When it stops
receiving oxygen, parts of it start dying in as little as 20 minutes.
But the brain starts dying at three minutes.
Where do you get your information?
"Brain cells are extremely sensitive to oxygen deprivation. Some
brain cells actually start dying less than 5 minutes after their
oxygen supply is cut. As a result, brain hypoxia can kill or cause
severe brain damage rapidly."
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001435.htm
http://watkins.gospelcom.net/NDE.htm
LOL!
(And since Michael Schiavo didn't call the ambulance for between 40 to
70 minutes, you connect the dots).
It is, of course, utter ***** that Michael did not call the
abulance for 40-70 minutes.
Then he lied.
Or misremembered.
This figure comes from a broadcast
interview with him 13 years after the fact
No, it came from his statements made in the medical malpractice suit in
1992 and on television a year later.
Oooo! Years after the event! And obviously he _must_ have written
down the time when his wife went into cardiac arrest.
Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse.
I would have.
Becuase you're rather pay attention to the time than take care of
your spouse.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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24 Jun 2005 01:09:29 PM |
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In our last episode, <d9hf4i$2ga$1@bolt.sonic.net>, the lovely
and talented Ray Fischer broadcast on alt.atheism:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse.
I would have.
Becuase you're rather pay attention to the time than take care of
your spouse.
I know this is a point that is no doubt lost on our friend, but
I worked in a medical-model facitily for years, and I learned to
note the time whenever an event occurred that was the least bit
out of the ordinary. The key word there is "learned."
When strange, to say nothing of alarming, events occur, looking
immediately at a clock is not natural behavior. You have to
make a conscious effort to learn to do it. You have to learn
where the clocks are, and you have to learn to coordinate your
watch - if you wear one - to the "official" time at the
beginning of every shift. You learn it through a lot of
browbeating and by confronting reams of forms with the knowledge
that any inconsistency will result in one or more unpleasant
interviews. Not only do you have to learn to look at the clock,
but you also have to learn to remember your time observations
(either with a mental picture of the clock or by remember the
time in numbers) until you have a chance to write your
observations down - and in an emergency that often means
remembering several points in time. Unless you are
obsessive-compulsive to begin with, you won't be able to do this
without making a conscious effort to train yourself to do it.
In emergencies people don't have an accurate sense of the
passage of time - and that goes even for people who deal with
emergencies frequently. That's why they have to make the
observations of time with clocks. Long and difficult procedures
may seem to have been performed in the blink of an eye. Simple,
short procedures may seem to take forever. That's what clocks
are there for - and of course in good instutions there are great
big clocks which are positioned so that they can be observed
from almost any operational area.
When people who aren't used to working in such situations come
up with stories in which the times all match exactly it is a
sure sign of collusion. Indeed, even among professionals who
try to make accurate observations, the best you can hope for in
an honest timeline is consistency - not exactitude.
I suggest Michael never knew what exact time was when his wife
collapsed. He did not know that in 1990. He didn't know it in
1993. And he didn't know it in 2003.
--
Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/
I do not want the peace which passeth understanding,
I want the understanding which bringeth peace.
- Helen Keller
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| User: "" |
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24 Jun 2005 10:02:05 PM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <d9hf4i$2ga$1@bolt.sonic.net>, the lovely
and talented Ray Fischer broadcast on alt.atheism:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse.
I would have.
Becuase you're rather pay attention to the time than take care of
your spouse.
I know this is a point that is no doubt lost on our friend, but
I worked in a medical-model facitily for years, and I learned to
note the time whenever an event occurred that was the least bit
out of the ordinary. The key word there is "learned."
It's a very easy skill to learn and eventually becomes habit,
expecially for people (like myself) who like atomic clocks and have
them all over. Most people run their lives on a clock (you go to work
on time, you leave on time, what time is that show on, what time is it
over, etc), and most people don't make mistakes of 40 or 70 minute time
lapses. In criminal investigations, differences of five minutes can
mean the difference between innocence and guilt.
Don't make things out to be more complicated than they are.
When strange, to say nothing of alarming, events occur, looking
immediately at a clock is not natural behavior.
Yes it is. Especially for former military personnel or people who have
places to be at certain times (which is just about anyone with a job).
In emergencies people don't have an accurate sense of the
passage of time -
You may speak only for yourself.
I suggest Michael never knew what exact time was when his wife
collapsed. He did not know that in 1990. He didn't know it in
1993. And he didn't know it in 2003.
Then why didn't he answee "I don't know" in a court of law?
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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25 Jun 2005 12:28:48 AM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <d9hf4i$2ga$1@bolt.sonic.net>, the lovely
and talented Ray Fischer broadcast on alt.atheism:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse.
I would have.
Becuase you're rather pay attention to the time than take care of
your spouse.
I know this is a point that is no doubt lost on our friend, but
I worked in a medical-model facitily for years, and I learned to
note the time whenever an event occurred that was the least bit
out of the ordinary. The key word there is "learned."
It's a very easy skill to learn and eventually becomes habit,
You're full of ***** again.
expecially for people (like myself) who like atomic clocks and have
them all over.
Non sequitur. Wasting time looking at a clock is not what people do
in an emergency.
When strange, to say nothing of alarming, events occur, looking
immediately at a clock is not natural behavior.
Yes it is.
You're a liar.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Curly Surmudgeon" |
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25 Jun 2005 06:48:09 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 05:28:48 +0000, Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <d9hf4i$2ga$1@bolt.sonic.net>, the lovely
and talented Ray Fischer broadcast on alt.atheism:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse.
I would have.
Becuase you're rather pay attention to the time than take care of
your spouse.
I know this is a point that is no doubt lost on our friend, but
I worked in a medical-model facitily for years, and I learned to
note the time whenever an event occurred that was the least bit
out of the ordinary. The key word there is "learned."
It's a very easy skill to learn and eventually becomes habit,
You're full of ***** again.
expecially for people (like myself) who like atomic clocks and have
them all over.
Non sequitur. Wasting time looking at a clock is not what people do
in an emergency.
When strange, to say nothing of alarming, events occur, looking
immediately at a clock is not natural behavior.
Yes it is.
You're a liar.
My, what a nasty person. Does he always behave this way?
-- Regards, Curly
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http://curlysurmudgeon.com/documents/bush_lies.txt
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| User: "" |
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25 Jun 2005 02:13:24 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <d9hf4i$2ga$1@bolt.sonic.net>, the lovely
and talented Ray Fischer broadcast on alt.atheism:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse.
I would have.
Becuase you're rather pay attention to the time than take care of
your spouse.
I know this is a point that is no doubt lost on our friend, but
I worked in a medical-model facitily for years, and I learned to
note the time whenever an event occurred that was the least bit
out of the ordinary. The key word there is "learned."
It's a very easy skill to learn and eventually becomes habit,
You're full of ***** again.
Stop hitting on me. It's entirely unbecoming.
expecially for people (like myself) who like atomic clocks and have
them all over.
Non sequitur. Wasting time looking at a clock is not what people do
in an emergency.
It doesn't take any time to tell time. Then again, maybe that was
where you started falling behind in first grade.
When strange, to say nothing of alarming, events occur, looking
immediately at a clock is not natural behavior.
Yes it is.
You're a liar.
No, I'm not. You, on the other hand, are a sad, pathetic spiteful
excuse for a human being which explains definitively why you are
terminally single.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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25 Jun 2005 12:47:13 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <d9hf4i$2ga$1@bolt.sonic.net>, the lovely
and talented Ray Fischer broadcast on alt.atheism:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse.
I would have.
Becuase you're rather pay attention to the time than take care of
your spouse.
I know this is a point that is no doubt lost on our friend, but
I worked in a medical-model facitily for years, and I learned to
note the time whenever an event occurred that was the least bit
out of the ordinary. The key word there is "learned."
It's a very easy skill to learn and eventually becomes habit,
You're full of ***** again.
Stop hitting on me. It's entirely unbecoming.
You must hang out in some interesting bars.
expecially for people (like myself) who like atomic clocks and have
them all over.
Non sequitur. Wasting time looking at a clock is not what people do
in an emergency.
It doesn't take any time to tell time.
It's interesting that you think that the time of day is more important
than a person's life.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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25 Jun 2005 01:28:17 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <d9hf4i$2ga$1@bolt.sonic.net>, the lovely
and talented Ray Fischer broadcast on alt.atheism:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse.
I would have.
Becuase you're rather pay attention to the time than take care of
your spouse.
I know this is a point that is no doubt lost on our friend, but
I worked in a medical-model facitily for years, and I learned to
note the time whenever an event occurred that was the least bit
out of the ordinary. The key word there is "learned."
It's a very easy skill to learn and eventually becomes habit,
You're full of ***** again.
Stop hitting on me. It's entirely unbecoming.
You must hang out in some interesting bars.
The last bar I was in was boring, expensive, noisy, and entirely
without merit. I have never been in one since. But not surprising
there would be people like you there.
expecially for people (like myself) who like atomic clocks and have
them all over.
Non sequitur. Wasting time looking at a clock is not what people do
in an emergency.
It doesn't take any time to tell time.
It's interesting that you think that the time of day is more important
than a person's life.
More important than yours.
--S
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25 Jun 2005 01:46:43 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <d9hf4i$2ga$1@bolt.sonic.net>, the lovely
and talented Ray Fischer broadcast on alt.atheism:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse.
I would have.
Becuase you're rather pay attention to the time than take care of
your spouse.
I know this is a point that is no doubt lost on our friend, but
I worked in a medical-model facitily for years, and I learned to
note the time whenever an event occurred that was the least bit
out of the ordinary. The key word there is "learned."
It's a very easy skill to learn and eventually becomes habit,
You're full of ***** again.
Stop hitting on me. It's entirely unbecoming.
You must hang out in some interesting bars.
The last bar I was in was boring, expensive, noisy, and entirely
without merit.
Just like you. A perfect fit.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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02 Jul 2005 07:22:47 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
You must hang out in some interesting bars.
The last bar I was in was boring, expensive, noisy, and entirely
without merit.
Just like you. A perfect fit.
Not even remotely--the boorish losers that populated the place too
closely resembled you for me to stay very long.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Jul 2005 08:03:02 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
You must hang out in some interesting bars.
The last bar I was in was boring, expensive, noisy, and entirely
without merit.
Just like you. A perfect fit.
Not even remotely-
You're boring, noisy, and without merit. You're probably expensive as
well, since people like you think they're entitled to a lot.
--the boorish losers that populated the place
As I wrote - a perfect fit.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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08 Jul 2005 02:37:31 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
You must hang out in some interesting bars.
The last bar I was in was boring, expensive, noisy, and entirely
without merit.
Just like you. A perfect fit.
Not even remotely-
You're boring, noisy, and without merit.
So stop talking to me.
You're probably expensive as
well,
If you are looking for cheap, go home.
--S
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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08 Jul 2005 05:36:23 PM |
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In our last episode,
<1119668525.326946.39120@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented broadcast on
alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
I know this is a point that is no doubt lost on our friend, but
I worked in a medical-model facitily for years, and I learned to
note the time whenever an event occurred that was the least bit
out of the ordinary. The key word there is "learned."
It's a very easy skill to learn and eventually becomes habit,
expecially for people (like myself) who like atomic clocks and have
them all over. Most people run their lives on a clock (you go to work
on time, you leave on time, what time is that show on, what time is it
over, etc), and most people don't make mistakes of 40 or 70 minute time
lapses. In criminal investigations, differences of five minutes can
mean the difference between innocence and guilt.
Of course not. A difference of five minutes in witness accounts
is virtually simultaneous so far as criminal investigations are
concerned. Real people in real situation do not recall the time
very well. Not everyone has atomic clocks all over the place or
check the time obsessively. Yes, people who have been in the
military or in medical services or a few other occupations learn
to note the time, but most people never have that kind of
experience and not everyone who does takes the habit home with
them.
Don't make things out to be more complicated than they are.
When strange, to say nothing of alarming, events occur, looking
immediately at a clock is not natural behavior.
Yes it is. Especially for former military personnel or people who have
places to be at certain times (which is just about anyone with a job).
Was Michael in the military? Plenty of people who get to work
on time do so by setting an alarm. That doesn't mean they will
have an accurate idea of the time when they are awakened by an
alarming event in the night.
In emergencies people don't have an accurate sense of the
passage of time -
You may speak only for yourself.
I can speak both of Shiavo's parents and her brother who lived
near the Shiavos. None of them can recall even approximately
the time that Michael called them the morning of Schiavo's
collapse. Are the three of them lying?
I suggest Michael never knew what exact time was when his wife
collapsed. He did not know that in 1990. He didn't know it in
1993. And he didn't know it in 2003.
Then why didn't he answee "I don't know" in a court of law?
He didn't know that he didn't know. The three Schindlers didn't
know either.
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Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/
I don't see posts from or threads started from googlegroups.
"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
24 Jun 2005 10:05:56 PM |
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In our last episode,
<1119668525.326946.39120@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
I suggest Michael never knew what exact time was when his wife
collapsed. He did not know that in 1990. He didn't know it in
1993. And he didn't know it in 2003.
Then why didn't he answee "I don't know" in a court of law?
Because he doesn't know that he doesn't know.
--
Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/
Those for whom peace is no more than a dream are asleep to the future.
- Jack DuVall
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
24 Jun 2005 10:15:21 PM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119668525.326946.39120@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
I suggest Michael never knew what exact time was when his wife
collapsed. He did not know that in 1990. He didn't know it in
1993. And he didn't know it in 2003.
Then why didn't he answee "I don't know" in a court of law?
Because he doesn't know that he doesn't know.
LMAO, I'm'a let that one go.
--S
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| User: "Alan Ferris" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
25 Jun 2005 04:14:36 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:09:29 -0500, Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com>
wrote:
I know this is a point that is no doubt lost on our friend, but
I worked in a medical-model facitily for years, and I learned to
note the time whenever an event occurred that was the least bit
out of the ordinary. The key word there is "learned."
When strange, to say nothing of alarming, events occur, looking
immediately at a clock is not natural behavior. You have to
make a conscious effort to learn to do it.
I wonder if our original poster could remember the time of his posting
without looking at its time stamp. I know I cannot remember what time
I arrived home last night, but I do know it could have been as early
as 6:15 and as late as 6:45. Does this mean I am lying because I
might say 6:15 when it was in reality 6:45?
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
25 Jun 2005 01:41:19 PM |
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Alan Ferris wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:09:29 -0500, Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com>
wrote:
I know this is a point that is no doubt lost on our friend, but
I worked in a medical-model facitily for years, and I learned to
note the time whenever an event occurred that was the least bit
out of the ordinary. The key word there is "learned."
When strange, to say nothing of alarming, events occur, looking
immediately at a clock is not natural behavior. You have to
make a conscious effort to learn to do it.
I wonder if our original poster could remember the time of his posting
without looking at its time stamp.
If you don't know, then your answer should be "I don't know."
--S
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| User: "Alan Ferris" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
25 Jun 2005 05:08:15 PM |
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On 25 Jun 2005 11:41:19 -0700, wrote:
Alan Ferris wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:09:29 -0500, Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com>
wrote:
I know this is a point that is no doubt lost on our friend, but
I worked in a medical-model facitily for years, and I learned to
note the time whenever an event occurred that was the least bit
out of the ordinary. The key word there is "learned."
When strange, to say nothing of alarming, events occur, looking
immediately at a clock is not natural behavior. You have to
make a conscious effort to learn to do it.
I wonder if our original poster could remember the time of his posting
without looking at its time stamp.
If you don't know, then your answer should be "I don't know."
Depends on how I am questioned. If I am asked to give a time, I would
naturally choose a time 15 years later.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
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| User: "IAAH" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
25 Jun 2005 10:09:32 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:14:36 GMT, Alan Ferris <alan@spamddandd.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:09:29 -0500, Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com>
wrote:
I know this is a point that is no doubt lost on our friend, but
I worked in a medical-model facitily for years, and I learned to
note the time whenever an event occurred that was the least bit
out of the ordinary. The key word there is "learned."
When strange, to say nothing of alarming, events occur, looking
immediately at a clock is not natural behavior. You have to
make a conscious effort to learn to do it.
I wonder if our original poster could remember the time of his posting
without looking at its time stamp. I know I cannot remember what time
I arrived home last night, but I do know it could have been as early
as 6:15 and as late as 6:45. Does this mean I am lying because I
might say 6:15 when it was in reality 6:45?
According to sneechres, yes.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Michael Schiavo Should Sue ALL the ASSHOLES |
24 Jun 2005 10:12:28 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
What do you think happens when the heart fails? When it stops
receiving oxygen, parts of it start dying in as little as 20 minutes.
But the brain starts dying at three minutes.
Where do you get your information?
"Brain cells are extremely sensitive to oxygen deprivation. Some
brain cells actually start dying less than 5 minutes after their
oxygen supply is cut. As a result, brain hypoxia can kill or cause
severe brain damage rapidly."
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001435.htm
Thanks for proving my point, actually. SOME brain cells start dying,
not all. Not the entire brain itself.
http://watkins.gospelcom.net/NDE.htm
LOL!
You think it's funny that people can still be conscious after brain
death?
"LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A British scientist studying heart attack
patients says he is finding evidence that suggests that consciousness
may continue after the brain has stopped functioning and a patient is
clinically dead."
There's nothing amusing about that. Terri Schiavo wasn't even brain
dead.
(And since Michael Schiavo didn't call the ambulance for between 40 to
70 minutes, you connect the dots).
It is, of course, utter ***** that Michael did not call the
abulance for 40-70 minutes.
Then he lied.
Or misremembered.
Either way, he's not exactly a sympathetic figure, he's either a liar
or an idiot. Just your kind of person.
This figure comes from a broadcast
interview with him 13 years after the fact
No, it came from his statements made in the medical malpractice suit in
1992 and on television a year later.
Oooo! Years after the event!
If he didn't remember properly, his testimony should have been just
that.
Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse.
I would have.
Becuase you're rather pay attention to the time than take care of
your spouse.
It only takes a fraction of a second to read a clock. But your idea of
taking care of a spouse (not that you'll ever know what that's like
since you've never had one and never will) is to hang out at your
mistress's house, regardless of what time it is.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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25 Jun 2005 12:34:03 AM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
What do you think happens when the heart fails? When it stops
receiving oxygen, parts of it start dying in as little as 20 minutes.
But the brain starts dying at three minutes.
Where do you get your information?
"Brain cells are extremely sensitive to oxygen deprivation. Some
brain cells actually start dying less than 5 minutes after their
oxygen supply is cut. As a result, brain hypoxia can kill or cause
severe brain damage rapidly."
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001435.htm
Thanks for proving my point, actually. SOME brain cells start dying,
not all. Not the entire brain itself.
Therefore some of the brain must be still alive after a week, right?
http://watkins.gospelcom.net/NDE.htm
LOL!
You think it's funny that people can still be conscious after brain
death?
I think it's funny that you cite superstitious nonsense as evidence
of anything.
(And since Michael Schiavo didn't call the ambulance for between 40 to
70 minutes, you connect the dots).
It is, of course, utter ***** that Michael did not call the
abulance for 40-70 minutes.
Then he lied.
Or misremembered.
Either way, he's not exactly a sympathetic figure,
So somebody as filled with hatred as you are I doubt that anybody is
a sympathetic figure.
This figure comes from a broadcast
interview with him 13 years after the fact
No, it came from his statements made in the medical malpractice suit in
1992 and on television a year later.
Oooo! Years after the event!
If he didn't remember properly, his testimony should have been just
that.
Get back to us when you become perfect. So far you've got a long way
to go.
Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse.
I would have.
Becuase you're rather pay attention to the time than take care of
your spouse.
It only takes a fraction of a second to read a clock.
And you'd rather know what time it is than save a life.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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25 Jun 2005 02:09:29 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
What do you think happens when the heart fails? When it stops
receiving oxygen, parts of it start dying in as little as 20 minutes.
But the brain starts dying at three minutes.
Where do you get your information?
"Brain cells are extremely sensitive to oxygen deprivation. Some
brain cells actually start dying less than 5 minutes after their
oxygen supply is cut. As a result, brain hypoxia can kill or cause
severe brain damage rapidly."
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001435.htm
Thanks for proving my point, actually. SOME brain cells start dying,
not all. Not the entire brain itself.
Therefore some of the brain must be still alive after a week, right?
Eventually the entire thing dies (in your case, at birth). Certainly
not after three minutes.
But of course, as you well know, there are other ways of killing your
brain. Like pickling it in a highly concentrated solution of cheap
liquor and crack.
http://watkins.gospelcom.net/NDE.htm
LOL!
You think it's funny that people can still be conscious after brain
death?
I think it's funny that you cite superstitious nonsense as evidence
of anything.
That was a Reuters news story about a study done at Caltech. Maybe
most of your problem is that you cannot be bothered to read anything
that doesn't support your own view of reality as filtered through a
drug-induced haze.
Either way, he's not exactly a sympathetic figure,
So somebody as filled with hatred as you are I doubt that anybody is
a sympathetic figure.
No, I really do sympathize with figures like Mother Teresa of Calcutta.
Utterly unlike you (and coincidentally, Josef Mengele) she didn't
believe in snuffing people out because they weren't physically perfect.
This figure comes from a broadcast
interview with him 13 years after the fact
No, it came from his statements made in the medical malpractice suit in
1992 and on television a year later.
Oooo! Years after the event!
If he didn't remember properly, his testimony should have been just
that.
Get back to us when you become perfect.
Get back to us when you aren't choosing to side with liars, lunatics,
plaigiarists, terrorists, killers, idiots, or other left wing also-rans
in the intellectual gene pool.
So far you've got a long way
to go.
Hm, if you cared about perfect, you'd be a Christian. They worship a
perfect Christ, do they not?
Thirteen years later he
didn't remember the exact time of Terri's collapse.
I would have.
Becuase you're rather pay attention to the time than take care of
your spouse.
It only takes a fraction of a second to read a clock.
And you'd rather know what time it is than save a life.
Given a choice between my clock and your life, I'd rather watch the
clock.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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25 Jun 2005 12:51:48 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
There is no evidence of myocardial infarction.
I did not say any part of heart died.
What do you think happens when the heart fails? When it stops
receiving oxygen, parts of it start dying in as little as 20 minutes.
But the brain starts dying at three minutes.
Where do you get your information?
"Brain cells are extremely sensitive to oxygen deprivation. Some
brain cells actually start dying less than 5 minutes after their
oxygen supply is cut. As a result, brain hypoxia can kill or cause
severe brain damage rapidly."
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001435.htm
Thanks for proving my point, actually. SOME brain cells start dying,
not all. Not the entire brain itself.
Therefore some of the brain must be still alive after a week, right?
Eventually the entire thing dies (in your case, at birth). Certainly
not after three minutes.
And how long did it take the medics to arrive? More or less than five
minutes?
But of course, as you well know, there are other ways of killing your
brain. Like pickling it in a highly concentrated solution of cheap
liquor and crack.
Or becoming a republican.
http://watkins.gospelcom.net/NDE.htm
LOL!
You think it's funny that people can still be conscious after brain
death?
I think it's funny that you cite superstitious nonsense as evidence
of anything.
That was a Reuters news story about a study done at Caltech.
Not done at Caltech. Read it again.
Either way, he's not exactly a sympathetic figure,
So somebody as filled with hatred as you are I doubt that anybody is
a sympathetic figure.
No, I really do sympathize with figures like Mother Teresa of Calcutta.
Why? She didn't need any sympathy. She got far better treatment than
anybody under her "care".
Utterly unlike you (and coincidentally, Josef Mengele) she didn't
believe in snuffing people out because they weren't physically perfect.
Mengele killed Jews. You want Muslims killed.
Both are religious hatred.
This figure comes from a broadcast
interview with him 13 years after the fact
No, it came from his statements made in the medical malpractice suit in
1992 and on television a year later.
Oooo! Years after the event!
If he didn't remember properly, his testimony should have been just
that.
Get back to us when you become perfect.
Get back to us when you aren't choosing to side with liars, lunatics,
plaigiarists, terrorists, killers, idiots, or other left wing also-rans
in the intellectual gene pool.
You sound a lot like Goebbels talking about Jews.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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25 Jun 2005 01:40:21 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Therefore some of the brain must be still alive after a week, right?
Eventually the entire thing dies (in your case, at birth). Certainly
not after three minutes.
And how long did it take the medics to arrive? More or less than five
minutes?
Depends on how far away they were.
But of course, as you well know, there are other ways of killing your
brain. Like pickling it in a highly concentrated solution of cheap
liquor and crack.
Or becoming a republican.
Something, like marriage, you know nothing about.
http://watkins.gospelcom.net/NDE.htm
LOL!
You think it's funny that people can still be conscious after brain
death?
I think it's funny that you cite superstitious nonsense as evidence
of anything.
That was a Reuters news story about a study done at Caltech.
Not done at Caltech. Read it again.
YOU read it again:
"During the initial study, Parnia said, 63 heart attack patients who
were deemed clinically dead but were later revived were interviewed
within a week of their experiences.
"Of those, 56 said they had no recollection of the time they were
unconscious and seven reported having memories. Of those, four were
labelled NDEs in that they reported lucid memories of thinking,
reasoning, moving about and communicating with others after doctors
determined their brains were not functioning."
You think that's funny?
Either way, he's not exactly a sympathetic figure,
So somebody as filled with hatred as you are I doubt that anybody is
a sympathetic figure.
No, I really do sympathize with figures like Mother Teresa of Calcutta.
Why?
Because she didn't dispose of people like you would. She valued ALL
innocent human life. You value only evil.
She didn't need any sympathy.
Yes she did. Everything she did for people was done through charitable
donations.
Utterly unlike you (and coincidentally, Josef Mengele) she didn't
believe in snuffing people out because they weren't physically perfect.
Mengele killed Jews.
As well as the disabled, unborn, or anyone he didn't like. Just like
you want to kill the disabled, unborn, or anyone you don't like. And
if I found out you were anti-semitic I wouldn't be in the least
surprised.
You want Muslims killed.
Only if they are members of a recognized terrorist organization.
Both are religious hatred.
No, they're not. There is a distinction between killing Jews just
because they are Jews and killing terrorists in self-defense.
Get back to us when you become perfect.
Get back to us when you aren't choosing to side with liars, lunatics,
plaigiarists, terrorists, killers, idiots, or other left wing also-rans
in the intellectual gene pool.
You sound a lot like Goebbels talking about Jews.
How is that since I like Jews?
--S
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