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"Jason Spaceman" |
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22 Apr 2005 02:40:35 AM |
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Michigan: Gull Lake schools involved in evolution debate |
From the article:
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By TIM MARTIN
The Associated Press
LANSING, Mich. (AP) — A Christian-oriented law center says it may sue
Gull Lake Community Schools unless two middle school science teachers
are allowed to include an alternative to Darwin's theory of evolution
in their classes.
The specific theory involved is called "intelligent design," which
holds the universe is so complex it must have been created by an
unspecified higher power. Critics say that is a secular version of
creationism, which regards God as the creator of life. They say
teaching the theory in public schools violates the separation of
church and state.
The Ann Arbor-based Thomas More Law Center says that for two years
teachers Dawn Wendzel and Julie Olson included intelligent design
theory in seventh-grade classes which also featured Darwin's evolution
theory. But early this school year, the center says, the district
superintendent ordered the teachers to stop teaching intelligent
design and ordered related textbooks to be boxed up.
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Read it at http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/news-24/1114119894213520.xml&storylist=newsmichigan
or http://tinyurl.com/9vvfa
Some related material on the Gull Lake creationism controversy is at
The Panda's Thumb -->
http://www.pandasthumb.org/pt-archives/000975.html
J. Spaceman
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23 Apr 2005 01:35:43 AM |
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Also see "School Bans 'Intelligent Design,' Faces Possible Lawsuit"
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200504%5CCUL20050422b.html
From the article:
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Swem said the process of discussing the legitimacy of the intelligent
design theory is "ongoing." The superintendent, she said, has already
commissioned a committee to study the issue and make a recommendation
to the local board of education. The advisory committee includes the
two teachers who were previously discussing intelligent design theory
with their students.
"It is anticipated that the committee will have a recommendation to
the board of education before the end of this school year," Swem said,
adding that once the recommendation has been submitted to the board,
the decision is the board's to make.
She said that litigation from the Thomas More Law Center will
"complicate matters," but said that "the school district is going
forward as planned, convening the committee, finalizing so they can
make a recommendation and a threat of a lawsuit is not going to
interfere with that careful, considered, deliberative process."
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J. Spaceman
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23 Apr 2005 06:07:47 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
Also see "School Bans 'Intelligent Design,' Faces Possible Lawsuit"
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200504%5CCUL20050422b.html
From the article:
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Swem said the process of discussing the legitimacy of the intelligent
design theory is "ongoing." The superintendent, she said, has already
commissioned a committee to study the issue and make a recommendation
to the local board of education. The advisory committee includes the
two teachers who were previously discussing intelligent design theory
with their students.
"It is anticipated that the committee will have a recommendation to
the board of education before the end of this school year," Swem said,
adding that once the recommendation has been submitted to the board,
the decision is the board's to make.
She said that litigation from the Thomas More Law Center will
"complicate matters," but said that "the school district is going
forward as planned, convening the committee, finalizing so they can
make a recommendation and a threat of a lawsuit is not going to
interfere with that careful, considered, deliberative process."
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J. Spaceman
I authored a text to inform students of creationismm and intelligent
design. It is drafted in the public domain, so it can be changed
paraphrased, misappropriated, obfuscated, mangled, ridiculed or even
adopted by the Gull Lake School Board. It appears below in its entirety.
"Many people belong to faiths that have alternate explanations for the
beginning of the universe, and the origins of life. If the following
blocks of instruction are at odds with your faith, please consult your
minister or clergyman for further science instruction".
Evolution is based on solid evidence, evidence that Muslims, Christians,
Buddhists, and ateists can examine on an equal footing, although they
can argue about what that evidence demonstrates. Creation theory is
based on evidence to which only adherents of particular religious
affiliations are compelled to consider. Intelligent Design theory/notion
concedes that the fossil record is clearly in line with evolution, but
argue that a creator entity or force initiated the sequence.
My personal opinion is that ID ishould be inoffensive to atheists unless
they are evengelists for their anatheism. Which also doesn't mean that I
believe or disbelieve in that notion. I used to be agnostic, now I'm not
sure.
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23 Apr 2005 11:17:01 AM |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:07:47 -0400, mikelist <mikelist@tds.net> wrote:
[...]
I authored a text to inform students of creationismm and intelligent
design. It is drafted in the public domain, so it can be changed
paraphrased, misappropriated, obfuscated, mangled, ridiculed or even
adopted by the Gull Lake School Board. It appears below in its entirety.
"Many people belong to faiths that have alternate explanations for the
beginning of the universe, and the origins of life. If the following
blocks of instruction are at odds with your faith, please consult your
minister or clergyman for further science instruction".
Sarcasm in public schools can get teachers in trouble.
Evolution is based on solid evidence, evidence that Muslims, Christians,
Buddhists, and ateists can examine on an equal footing, although they
can argue about what that evidence demonstrates. Creation theory is
based on evidence to which only adherents of particular religious
affiliations are compelled to consider. Intelligent Design theory/notion
concedes that the fossil record is clearly in line with evolution, but
argue that a creator entity or force initiated the sequence.
My personal opinion is that ID ishould be inoffensive to atheists unless
they are evengelists for their anatheism. Which also doesn't mean that I
believe or disbelieve in that notion.
Like many things, it is perfectly fine in its place. Science classes in
K-12 aren't one of them, at least without proper labeling.
I used to be agnostic, now I'm not
sure.
Morrie Schwartz. And worth a sig file.
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J. Pieret
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[I]n its relation to Christianity, intelligent design
should be viewed as a ground-clearing operation . . .
- William A. Dembski -
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23 Apr 2005 08:10:09 AM |
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mikelist wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
Also see "School Bans 'Intelligent Design,' Faces Possible Lawsuit"
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200504%5CCUL20050422b.html
From the article:
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Swem said the process of discussing the legitimacy of the
intelligent
design theory is "ongoing." The superintendent, she said, has
already
commissioned a committee to study the issue and make a
recommendation
to the local board of education. The advisory committee includes
the
two teachers who were previously discussing intelligent design
theory
with their students.
"It is anticipated that the committee will have a recommendation to
the board of education before the end of this school year," Swem
said,
adding that once the recommendation has been submitted to the
board,
the decision is the board's to make.
She said that litigation from the Thomas More Law Center will
"complicate matters," but said that "the school district is going
forward as planned, convening the committee, finalizing so they can
make a recommendation and a threat of a lawsuit is not going to
interfere with that careful, considered, deliberative process."
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J. Spaceman
I authored a text to inform students of creationismm and intelligent
design. It is drafted in the public domain, so it can be changed
paraphrased, misappropriated, obfuscated, mangled, ridiculed or even
adopted by the Gull Lake School Board. It appears below in its
entirety.
"Many people belong to faiths that have alternate explanations for
the
beginning of the universe, and the origins of life. If the following
blocks of instruction are at odds with your faith, please consult
your
minister or clergyman for further science instruction".
Evolution is based on solid evidence, evidence that Muslims,
Christians,
Buddhists, and ateists can examine on an equal footing, although they
can argue about what that evidence demonstrates. Creation theory is
based on evidence to which only adherents of particular religious
affiliations are compelled to consider. Intelligent Design
theory/notion
concedes that the fossil record is clearly in line with evolution,
but
argue that a creator entity or force initiated the sequence.
My personal opinion is that ID ishould be inoffensive to atheists
unless
they are evengelists for their anatheism. Which also doesn't mean
that I
believe or disbelieve in that notion. I used to be agnostic, now I'm
not
sure.
Where did you get your notion about ID? Who clearly concedes this
besides Behe and Denton? Even Dembski waffles about it. Even Behe and
Denton don't bother to mention why biological evolution is a given, so
where do you get the idea that the fossil record convinces them. Have
you read Dembski's standard creationist bullpucky about human origins?
There are so many forms of ID that you have to wonder which one will be
taught, and if you want to teach them all what is the justification of
wasting that much class time on something that isn't even science.
Shouldn't you be satisfied in teaching just the best one? Would you
teach them in order of believablity or take a poll in the class to see
which one should be taught first? Every form of OEC would be better
supported than every form of YEC with flat earth creationism pretty
much at the bottom of the list. Since the common form of theistic
evolution fits in all of known science it would probably top the list.
You could have some hard to place ones like an OEC geocentric view, but
if you stick to the common ones you shouldn't have that problem. My
suggestion is that they be presented in reverse order with flat earth
creationism taught first. That way students would get the idea of how
theology has changed and get an idea of where their beliefs fit in with
what is known about nature.
I wouldn't waste biology class time on it, but political science would
benefit. They could also cover the current political scams like the
old "scientific creationism," the "teach alternatives" successor and
the new "teach the controversy."
Ron Okimoto
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23 Apr 2005 11:12:33 AM |
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Ron O wrote:
mikelist wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
Also see "School Bans 'Intelligent Design,' Faces Possible Lawsuit"
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200504%5CCUL20050422b.html
From the article:
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Swem said the process of discussing the legitimacy of the
intelligent
design theory is "ongoing." The superintendent, she said, has
already
commissioned a committee to study the issue and make a
recommendation
to the local board of education. The advisory committee includes
the
two teachers who were previously discussing intelligent design
theory
with their students.
"It is anticipated that the committee will have a recommendation to
the board of education before the end of this school year," Swem
said,
adding that once the recommendation has been submitted to the
board,
the decision is the board's to make.
She said that litigation from the Thomas More Law Center will
"complicate matters," but said that "the school district is going
forward as planned, convening the committee, finalizing so they can
make a recommendation and a threat of a lawsuit is not going to
interfere with that careful, considered, deliberative process."
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J. Spaceman
I authored a text to inform students of creationismm and intelligent
design. It is drafted in the public domain, so it can be changed
paraphrased, misappropriated, obfuscated, mangled, ridiculed or even
adopted by the Gull Lake School Board. It appears below in its
entirety.
"Many people belong to faiths that have alternate explanations for
the
beginning of the universe, and the origins of life. If the following
blocks of instruction are at odds with your faith, please consult
your
minister or clergyman for further science instruction".
Evolution is based on solid evidence, evidence that Muslims,
Christians,
Buddhists, and ateists can examine on an equal footing, although they
can argue about what that evidence demonstrates. Creation theory is
based on evidence to which only adherents of particular religious
affiliations are compelled to consider. Intelligent Design
theory/notion
concedes that the fossil record is clearly in line with evolution,
but
argue that a creator entity or force initiated the sequence.
My personal opinion is that ID ishould be inoffensive to atheists
unless
they are evengelists for their anatheism. Which also doesn't mean
that I
believe or disbelieve in that notion. I used to be agnostic, now I'm
not
sure.
Where did you get your notion about ID? Who clearly concedes this
besides Behe and Denton? Even Dembski waffles about it. Even Behe and
Denton don't bother to mention why biological evolution is a given, so
where do you get the idea that the fossil record convinces them. Have
you read Dembski's standard creationist bullpucky about human origins?
There are so many forms of ID that you have to wonder which one will be
taught, and if you want to teach them all what is the justification of
wasting that much class time on something that isn't even science.
Shouldn't you be satisfied in teaching just the best one? Would you
teach them in order of believablity or take a poll in the class to see
which one should be taught first? Every form of OEC would be better
supported than every form of YEC with flat earth creationism pretty
much at the bottom of the list. Since the common form of theistic
evolution fits in all of known science it would probably top the list.
You could have some hard to place ones like an OEC geocentric view, but
if you stick to the common ones you shouldn't have that problem. My
suggestion is that they be presented in reverse order with flat earth
creationism taught first. That way students would get the idea of how
theology has changed and get an idea of where their beliefs fit in with
what is known about nature.
I wouldn't waste biology class time on it, but political science would
benefit. They could also cover the current political scams like the
old "scientific creationism," the "teach alternatives" successor and
the new "teach the controversy."
Ron Okimoto
Only the quoted portion was meant to be used. The rest of it is my
opinion, you may have guessed that I subscribe (heh) to the most open
version of ID, which DOES run the gamut from creation to evolution.
As far as debating god goes, I won't waste our time.
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22 Apr 2005 04:47:48 AM |
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Also see the Thomas More Law Center's spin on this matter:
'Lawsuit Threatened Over Confiscation of Science Books on Intelligent
Design, Order That Teachers Teach Evolution as A Fact' at
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=46217
From the article:
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ANN ARBOR, Mich., April 21 /U.S. Newswire/ -- A simmering yearlong
dispute over the Gull Lake Community School District superintendent's
order that seventh grade science teachers teach Darwin's theory of
evolution and his confiscation of thirty copies of the book Of Pandas
and People, which the teachers had been using for the past two years as
a supplemental text supporting the theory of intelligent design, may
soon end up in a federal court.
For the past two years, science teachers, Dawn Wendzel and Julie Olson,
have been spending part of their classroom instruction teaching the
theory of Intelligent Design alongside the theory of evolution.
However, this past Fall they were told that they could no longer teach
intelligent design, they could not teach the controversy between the
theory of evolution and intelligent design and that they could only
teach the scientific evidence for evolution.
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J. Spaceman
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22 Apr 2005 07:41:46 AM |
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<jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
news:1114163268.155469.162030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Also see the Thomas More Law Center's spin on this matter:
'Lawsuit Threatened Over Confiscation of Science Books on Intelligent
Design, Order That Teachers Teach Evolution as A Fact' at
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=46217
From the article:
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ANN ARBOR, Mich., April 21 /U.S. Newswire/ -- A simmering yearlong
dispute over the Gull Lake Community School District superintendent's
order that seventh grade science teachers teach Darwin's theory of
evolution and his confiscation of thirty copies of the book Of Pandas
and People, which the teachers had been using for the past two years
as
a supplemental text supporting the theory of intelligent design, may
soon end up in a federal court.
For the past two years, science teachers, Dawn Wendzel and Julie
Olson,
have been spending part of their classroom instruction teaching the
theory of Intelligent Design alongside the theory of evolution.
However, this past Fall they were told that they could no longer teach
intelligent design, they could not teach the controversy between the
theory of evolution and intelligent design and that they could only
teach the scientific evidence for evolution.
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Can anyone get a copy of the lesson plan? I would *love to see how
they are able to teach ID as science. I can't think of a shoehorn strong
enough to squeeze ID into science!
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29 Apr 2005 03:12:49 PM |
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wrote in news:1114163268.155469.162030
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
Also see the Thomas More Law Center's spin on this matter:
'Lawsuit Threatened Over Confiscation of Science Books on
Intelligent
Design, Order That Teachers Teach Evolution as A Fact' at
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=46217
I was never taught "evolution as a fact." I was taught "evolution as
the theory that best fits the physical evidence." I've never seen any
evidence of intelligence design except; "I can't believe this would
happen unless God did it!"
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22 Apr 2005 07:41:14 AM |
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wrote:
Also see the Thomas More Law Center's spin on this matter:
'Lawsuit Threatened Over Confiscation of Science Books on Intelligent
Design, Order That Teachers Teach Evolution as A Fact' at
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=46217
Also from the article:
The Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm based
in Ann Arbor, Michigan, on April 14, 2004, sent a six-page letter (
http://www.usnewswire.com/attach/gull_lake.pdf ) to the school board
asking that the books be returned to the classrooms and that the
teachers be allowed to teach the theory of intelligent design as they
had been. The school board has been given fourteen days to respond.
End Quote:
This seems to indicate that the left hand doesn't know what the right
hand is doing. In Ohio, Grantville Wis., and Dover Penn. the IDiots
bent over backwards to get the rubes to not teach intelligent design.
They are currently avoiding the issue in Kansas. Santorum is supposed
to have influence with the Thomas More Law Center and he came out and
said that he doesn't support teaching it and he never called ID
science. He only called it a concept that he did not support teaching
at this time.
It sounds like the type of mistake an ignorant rube that was fooled by
the ID propaganda would make. It is pretty sad when the scammers
aren't competent enough to stick with the scams, or are too incompetent
to understand that when a scam has been dropped by the scam artists it
might not be a good idea to continue to push the scam. Someone is
going to get an interesting talking to at the More center.
Since Ohio the Wedgie scam artists have done everything that they can
to get the rubes not to teach ID. This will force a court case where
ID will have to be defended as being teachable in the science class.
If they had something that they could support teaching, you wouldn't
see the Wedgies claim that they do not support teaching it at this
time. How can the IDiot that is forcing this issue defend teaching ID
when even the ID proponents don't want to teach it?
It looks like they should have stuck with just trying to get the book
Pandas and People back into the classroom as some type of reference
book. They might have been able to defend that, but when they couple
it with teaching ID it is a no brainer to make the IDiots look like
idiots. This should be a better case to put ID out in the open than
Dover. Just think these two teachers depend on a book like Pandas and
People. The only science in that book is the real biology. The ID
junk isn't even in the same league. They can bring Denton in as a
witness to tell the authors why he was wrong and why they shouldn't be
using his old bogus arguments anymore. It is pretty sad when you want
to teach something out of a book and you can't find confirmation in the
arena of science and the original guy that put forward the arguments
doesn't take them seriously anymore.
Ron Okimoto
From the article:
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ANN ARBOR, Mich., April 21 /U.S. Newswire/ -- A simmering yearlong
dispute over the Gull Lake Community School District superintendent's
order that seventh grade science teachers teach Darwin's theory of
evolution and his confiscation of thirty copies of the book Of Pandas
and People, which the teachers had been using for the past two years
as
a supplemental text supporting the theory of intelligent design, may
soon end up in a federal court.
For the past two years, science teachers, Dawn Wendzel and Julie
Olson,
have been spending part of their classroom instruction teaching the
theory of Intelligent Design alongside the theory of evolution.
However, this past Fall they were told that they could no longer
teach
intelligent design, they could not teach the controversy between the
theory of evolution and intelligent design and that they could only
teach the scientific evidence for evolution.
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J. Spaceman
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22 Apr 2005 07:56:19 AM |
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wrote:
Also see the Thomas More Law Center's spin on this matter:
'Lawsuit Threatened Over Confiscation of Science Books on Intelligent
Design, Order That Teachers Teach Evolution as A Fact' at
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=46217
SNIP:
If you go to this news article they have a link to the full letter that
the More Center sent. It reads like something written in the mid
1990's and not something that would be currently written by the
Wedgies. The guy in charge of this case may really not know the
current Wedgey scam. He or She may be going off the junk that the
Wedgies were putting out before 1999.
They call ID a scientific theory even though Meyers (one of the head
Wedgies) was convincing enough in his admission that ID wasn't science
that the rubes on the state board in Ohio wanted to change the
definition of science so that they could teach ID, and that was a
couple of years ago. That these guys haven't gotten that message is
pretty amazing.
Santorum must be waffling so much that he hasn't gotten through to
these guys what a scam ID is.
Ron Okimoto
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22 Apr 2005 09:28:05 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
The specific theory involved is called "intelligent design," which
holds the universe is so complex it must have been created by an
unspecified higher power.
One of the reasons the world is as complex as it is, is because it was
created by a committee. What is a camel? A camel is a horse designed by
a committee.
Bob Kolker
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22 Apr 2005 08:31:21 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By TIM MARTIN
The Associated Press
LANSING, Mich. (AP) - A Christian-oriented law center says it may
sue
Gull Lake Community Schools unless two middle school science teachers
are allowed to include an alternative to Darwin's theory of evolution
in their classes.
The specific theory involved is called "intelligent design," which
holds the universe is so complex it must have been created by an
unspecified higher power. Critics say that is a secular version of
creationism, which regards God as the creator of life. They say
teaching the theory in public schools violates the separation of
church and state.
The Ann Arbor-based Thomas More Law Center says that for two years
teachers Dawn Wendzel and Julie Olson included intelligent design
theory in seventh-grade classes which also featured Darwin's
evolution
theory. But early this school year, the center says, the district
superintendent ordered the teachers to stop teaching intelligent
design and ordered related textbooks to be boxed up.
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Those liberals only want their liberal agenda taught in the public
school. We need to teach both liberal evolution and Christian I.D. in
the biology class. And we need to teach both the liberal 3 is 3 and the
Christian 3 is 1 in math class. The liberals have controlled our
public schools too long! It is time to teach the students what most of
the public believes. Let us stop teaching the kids statistics and start
teaching kids how luck determines one's chance of winning the lottery.
Just say, "NO!" to Spongebob Squarepants and the other liberals.
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22 Apr 2005 09:40:33 AM |
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wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By TIM MARTIN
The Associated Press
LANSING, Mich. (AP) - A Christian-oriented law center says it may
sue
Gull Lake Community Schools unless two middle school science teachers
are allowed to include an alternative to Darwin's theory of evolution
in their classes.
The specific theory involved is called "intelligent design," which
holds the universe is so complex it must have been created by an
unspecified higher power. Critics say that is a secular version of
creationism, which regards God as the creator of life. They say
teaching the theory in public schools violates the separation of
church and state.
The Ann Arbor-based Thomas More Law Center says that for two years
teachers Dawn Wendzel and Julie Olson included intelligent design
theory in seventh-grade classes which also featured Darwin's
evolution
theory. But early this school year, the center says, the district
superintendent ordered the teachers to stop teaching intelligent
design and ordered related textbooks to be boxed up.
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Those liberals only want their liberal agenda taught in the public
school. We need to teach both liberal evolution and Christian I.D. in
the biology class. And we need to teach both the liberal 3 is 3 and the
Christian 3 is 1 in math class. The liberals have controlled our
public schools too long! It is time to teach the students what most of
the public believes. Let us stop teaching the kids statistics and start
teaching kids how luck determines one's chance of winning the lottery.
Winning a lottery has nothing to do with luck, you Satan's minion!
It's all about praying harder, louder, faster and better than your neighbors and
bequeathing the proceeds to your favorite evangelist. You'll get 10%
(minus the expenses, of course) if you are really nice.
Just say, "NO!" to Spongebob Squarepants and the other liberals.
Seppo P.
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29 Apr 2005 06:22:36 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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By TIM MARTIN
The Associated Press
LANSING, Mich. (AP) - A Christian-oriented law center says it may
sue
Gull Lake Community Schools unless two middle school science teachers
are allowed to include an alternative to Darwin's theory of evolution
in their classes.
The specific theory involved is called "intelligent design," which
holds the universe is so complex it must have been created by an
unspecified higher power. Critics say that is a secular version of
creationism, which regards God as the creator of life. They say
teaching the theory in public schools violates the separation of
church and state.
The Ann Arbor-based Thomas More Law Center says that for two years
teachers Dawn Wendzel and Julie Olson included intelligent design
theory in seventh-grade classes which also featured Darwin's
evolution
theory. But early this school year, the center says, the district
superintendent ordered the teachers to stop teaching intelligent
design and ordered related textbooks to be boxed up.
Everyone seems to be missing what is, I think, the real aim behind this
lawsuit; the entire lawsuit, in a nutshell, boils down to "she says I'm
a creationist and I'm not". ID, as a movement ABSOLUTELY MUST
distance itself from creation "science", since creation "science" has
already been ruled illegal to teach by the Supreme Court. This case is
simply a rather clumsy attempt by the IDers to get some sort of legal
ruling that ID IS NOT CREATION "SCIENCE".
For that reason, I think it imperative that Dr Scott go on full
offensive, and demonstrate that ID *IS* in fact nothing but creation
"science" (coupled witha desire to conceal that fact).
Take the fight to the fundies, for once. Stop letting THEM call all
the shots.
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Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation email list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation/
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