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11 May 2007 02:04:03 AM |
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Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
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Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row
Thu May 10, 10:21 AM ET
A top Italian maternity hospital has drawn criticism from right-wing
politicians by replacing crucifixes on the walls of its wards with
images of the Virgin Mary so as not to offend immigrant women giving
birth there.
Basilio Tiso, head of Milan's Mangiagalli clinic where 7,000 women give
birth each year, said it was felt the Virgin's image was more fitting to
motherhood and was less of a religious statement than a crucifix.
"We have so many people who come here from different backgrounds,
different countries," he told Reuters, adding that the move was intended
to "help us all live together in a more civil way."
But Carla De Albertis, a Milan townhall official in charge of health
affairs, called the decision "folly."
"If I went to a foreign country, I would never dream of asking them to
take down a religious symbol representing their faith, culture and
traditions," she said.
"We should not lead people to believe that we are ashamed of our roots,"
she said.
Ignazio La Russa, from the right-wing National Alliance, called on the
hospital's patients to take their own crosses with them and put them on
the walls.
The Mangiagalli, Milan's largest obstetric hospital, is known for its
secular stance in defending women's right to have an abortion in a
predominantly Roman Catholic country where doctors can refuse to
terminate pregnancies for religious motives.
"There weren't many crosses in this hospital anyway and we thought the
image of the Virgin Mary would be more fitting in a maternity ward,"
Tiso said.
Italy has one of the lowest birth rates in the world and many of those
who have babies are immigrants.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070510/od_nm/italy_crucifix_dc
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
11 May 2007 02:53:55 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-0EC0BD.00040311052007@news.giganews.com...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
If it was me, I sure as hell would. At a time like that,
I certainly wouldn't want a man in apparent agony
staring me in the face. Crucifixes disgust me.
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Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row
Thu May 10, 10:21 AM ET
A top Italian maternity hospital has drawn criticism from right-wing
politicians by replacing crucifixes on the walls of its wards with
images of the Virgin Mary so as not to offend immigrant women giving
birth there.
Basilio Tiso, head of Milan's Mangiagalli clinic where 7,000 women give
birth each year, said it was felt the Virgin's image was more fitting to
motherhood and was less of a religious statement than a crucifix.
"We have so many people who come here from different backgrounds,
different countries," he told Reuters, adding that the move was intended
to "help us all live together in a more civil way."
But Carla De Albertis, a Milan townhall official in charge of health
affairs, called the decision "folly."
"If I went to a foreign country, I would never dream of asking them to
take down a religious symbol representing their faith, culture and
traditions," she said.
"We should not lead people to believe that we are ashamed of our roots,"
she said.
Ignazio La Russa, from the right-wing National Alliance, called on the
hospital's patients to take their own crosses with them and put them on
the walls.
The Mangiagalli, Milan's largest obstetric hospital, is known for its
secular stance in defending women's right to have an abortion in a
predominantly Roman Catholic country where doctors can refuse to
terminate pregnancies for religious motives.
"There weren't many crosses in this hospital anyway and we thought the
image of the Virgin Mary would be more fitting in a maternity ward,"
Tiso said.
Italy has one of the lowest birth rates in the world and many of those
who have babies are immigrants.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070510/od_nm/italy_crucifix_dc
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Steve O" |
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11 May 2007 04:20:57 AM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
If it was me, I sure as hell would. At a time like that,
I certainly wouldn't want a man in apparent agony
staring me in the face. Crucifixes disgust me.
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My wife was very grateful for the crucifix over the head of the bed when she
was in labour.
It was quite heavy and particularly useful for clouting me over the head
with for putting her there in the first place.
;-(
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Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"The only problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them underwater long
enough"
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11 May 2007 07:01:03 PM |
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In article <zoKdnWBwTaWPvNnbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-0EC0BD.00040311052007@news.giganews.com...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
If it was me, I sure as hell would. At a time like that,
I certainly wouldn't want a man in apparent agony
staring me in the face. Crucifixes disgust me.
Showing a person being tortured to death is disgusting. If they want to
show something, why not show Jesus doing some of the good things that he
was supposed to have done like healing the sick. Or why bother with
mythology at all.
As far as the BVM, why put her up since she didn't have a kid in the
normal way.
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Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Codebreaker" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
11 May 2007 03:21:21 PM |
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On May 11, 3:53 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-0EC0BD.00040311052007@news.giganews.com...> I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
If it was me, I sure as hell would. At a time like that,
I certainly wouldn't want a man in apparent agony
staring me in the face. Crucifixes disgust me.
It is not too late. A 59 years old lady was impregnanted while ago.
You are only 60.Expect a baby from last night fling
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^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row
Thu May 10, 10:21 AM ET
A top Italian maternity hospital has drawn criticism from right-wing
politicians by replacing crucifixes on the walls of its wards with
images of the Virgin Mary so as not to offend immigrant women giving
birth there.
Basilio Tiso, head of Milan's Mangiagalli clinic where 7,000 women give
birth each year, said it was felt the Virgin's image was more fitting to
motherhood and was less of a religious statement than a crucifix.
"We have so many people who come here from different backgrounds,
different countries," he told Reuters, adding that the move was intended
to "help us all live together in a more civil way."
But Carla De Albertis, a Milan townhall official in charge of health
affairs, called the decision "folly."
"If I went to a foreign country, I would never dream of asking them to
take down a religious symbol representing their faith, culture and
traditions," she said.
"We should not lead people to believe that we are ashamed of our roots,"
she said.
Ignazio La Russa, from the right-wing National Alliance, called on the
hospital's patients to take their own crosses with them and put them on
the walls.
The Mangiagalli, Milan's largest obstetric hospital, is known for its
secular stance in defending women's right to have an abortion in a
predominantly Roman Catholic country where doctors can refuse to
terminate pregnancies for religious motives.
"There weren't many crosses in this hospital anyway and we thought the
image of the Virgin Mary would be more fitting in a maternity ward,"
Tiso said.
Italy has one of the lowest birth rates in the world and many of those
who have babies are immigrants.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070510/od_nm/italy_crucifix_dc
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.- Hide quoted text -
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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11 May 2007 09:02:21 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-0EC0BD.00040311052007@news.giganews.com...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't see a damn thing
anyway ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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11 May 2007 06:52:06 PM |
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In article <5ajbb4F2omkt2U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-0EC0BD.00040311052007@news.giganews.com...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't see a damn thing
anyway ;)
I'm sure even if you did, it wouldn't have made a difference. ;-)
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
12 May 2007 04:01:58 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-3FCB44.16520611052007@news.giganews.com...
In article <5ajbb4F2omkt2U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-0EC0BD.00040311052007@news.giganews.com...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't see a damn thing
anyway ;)
I'm sure even if you did, it wouldn't have made a difference. ;-)
Absolutely. I had other things to concern myself with at that time
Push, push! Do your breathing! George, I'm going to kill you! You did this
to me!!!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
12 May 2007 07:01:08 PM |
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In article <5ale41F2on8ipU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-3FCB44.16520611052007@news.giganews.com...
In article <5ajbb4F2omkt2U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-0EC0BD.00040311052007@news.giganews.com...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't see a damn thing
anyway ;)
I'm sure even if you did, it wouldn't have made a difference. ;-)
Absolutely. I had other things to concern myself with at that time
Push, push! Do your breathing! George, I'm going to kill you! You did this
to me!!!
When I was born, they didn't allow fathers into the room, but I'm sure
that my mom would have thrown the crucifix at my dad.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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11 May 2007 11:56:38 AM |
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In article <5ajbb4F2omkt2U1@mid.individual.net>,
Robibnikoff said...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't
see a damn thing anyway ;)
Doctor: Do you like our new crucifixes?
Robyn: I thought that was Spider-Man!
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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11 May 2007 03:11:23 PM |
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"Brian E. Clark" <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ae6a55ee09a4598a4d5@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <5ajbb4F2omkt2U1@mid.individual.net>,
Robibnikoff said...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't
see a damn thing anyway ;)
Doctor: Do you like our new crucifixes?
Robyn: I thought that was Spider-Man!
LOL!
BTW, you owe me a keyboard ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
11 May 2007 06:53:38 PM |
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In article <5ak0v1F2ooa0bU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian E. Clark" <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ae6a55ee09a4598a4d5@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <5ajbb4F2omkt2U1@mid.individual.net>,
Robibnikoff said...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't
see a damn thing anyway ;)
Doctor: Do you like our new crucifixes?
Robyn: I thought that was Spider-Man!
LOL!
BTW, you owe me a keyboard ;)
Hey! I just had a thought. They put the crucifixes to keep vampires
away!
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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11 May 2007 10:03:10 PM |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:53:38 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hey! I just had a thought. They put the crucifixes to keep vampires
away!
It must work. When is the last time you saw a vampire in a maternity
ward?
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| User: "johac" |
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12 May 2007 02:10:53 AM |
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In article <diba43di4mjj089iuiivrmn1kvdpobh41t@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:53:38 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hey! I just had a thought. They put the crucifixes to keep vampires
away!
It must work. When is the last time you saw a vampire in a maternity
ward?
Since I've never been in one, I can't say, but the few times I've been
in a hospital, I've seen some scary nurses.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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11 May 2007 09:18:10 PM |
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On May 11, 7:53 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5ak0v1F2ooa0...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian E. Clark" <r...@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ae6a55ee09a4598a4d5@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <5ajbb4F2omkt...@mid.individual.net>,
Robibnikoff said...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't
see a damn thing anyway ;)
Doctor: Do you like our new crucifixes?
Robyn: I thought that was Spider-Man!
LOL!
BTW, you owe me a keyboard ;)
Hey! I just had a thought. They put the crucifixes to keep vampires
away!
Makes no sense, seeing how jebus promoted vampirism.
They should instead put up images of Pazuzu, adversary of and
protector
against the dreaded *****-goddess Lamastu, who brings miscarriage
and crib death.
http://www.balaams-*****.com/alhaj/godlist_long.htm
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12 May 2007 02:14:56 AM |
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In article <1178936290.747558.206380@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 11, 7:53 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5ak0v1F2ooa0...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian E. Clark" <r...@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ae6a55ee09a4598a4d5@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <5ajbb4F2omkt...@mid.individual.net>,
Robibnikoff said...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't
see a damn thing anyway ;)
Doctor: Do you like our new crucifixes?
Robyn: I thought that was Spider-Man!
LOL!
BTW, you owe me a keyboard ;)
Hey! I just had a thought. They put the crucifixes to keep vampires
away!
Makes no sense, seeing how jebus promoted vampirism.
They should instead put up images of Pazuzu, adversary of and
protector
against the dreaded *****-goddess Lamastu, who brings miscarriage
and crib death.
http://www.balaams-*****.com/alhaj/godlist_long.htm
Or maybe they could put some of these around the room.
http://www.goddessgift.net/page45.html
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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12 May 2007 11:23:51 AM |
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On May 12, 3:14 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1178936290.747558.206...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 11, 7:53 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5ak0v1F2ooa0...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian E. Clark" <r...@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ae6a55ee09a4598a4d5@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <5ajbb4F2omkt...@mid.individual.net>,
Robibnikoff said...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't
see a damn thing anyway ;)
Doctor: Do you like our new crucifixes?
Robyn: I thought that was Spider-Man!
LOL!
BTW, you owe me a keyboard ;)
Hey! I just had a thought. They put the crucifixes to keep vampires
away!
Makes no sense, seeing how jebus promoted vampirism.
They should instead put up images of Pazuzu, adversary of and
protector
against the dreaded *****-goddess Lamastu, who brings miscarriage
and crib death.
http://www.balaams-*****.com/alhaj/godlist_long.htm
Or maybe they could put some of these around the room.
http://www.goddessgift.net/page45.html
Wait a minute. That Isis and Baby Horus statue looks mighty
familiar. There's something rotten in Denmark here.
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| User: "johac" |
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12 May 2007 06:59:00 PM |
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In article <1178987031.567528.148020@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 12, 3:14 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1178936290.747558.206...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 11, 7:53 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5ak0v1F2ooa0...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian E. Clark" <r...@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ae6a55ee09a4598a4d5@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <5ajbb4F2omkt...@mid.individual.net>,
Robibnikoff said...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on
the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't
see a damn thing anyway ;)
Doctor: Do you like our new crucifixes?
Robyn: I thought that was Spider-Man!
LOL!
BTW, you owe me a keyboard ;)
Hey! I just had a thought. They put the crucifixes to keep vampires
away!
Makes no sense, seeing how jebus promoted vampirism.
They should instead put up images of Pazuzu, adversary of and
protector
against the dreaded *****-goddess Lamastu, who brings miscarriage
and crib death.
http://www.balaams-*****.com/alhaj/godlist_long.htm
Or maybe they could put some of these around the room.
http://www.goddessgift.net/page45.html
Wait a minute. That Isis and Baby Horus statue looks mighty
familiar. There's something rotten in Denmark here.
More like something rotten in the Middle East about 2000 years ago. The
people who wrote the gospels were no doubt familiar with the
Osiris-Isis-Horus myth.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
13 May 2007 02:59:05 PM |
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On May 12, 7:59 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1178987031.567528.148...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 12, 3:14 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1178936290.747558.206...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 11, 7:53 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5ak0v1F2ooa0...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian E. Clark" <r...@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ae6a55ee09a4598a4d5@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <5ajbb4F2omkt...@mid.individual.net>,
Robibnikoff said...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on
the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't
see a damn thing anyway ;)
Doctor: Do you like our new crucifixes?
Robyn: I thought that was Spider-Man!
LOL!
BTW, you owe me a keyboard ;)
Hey! I just had a thought. They put the crucifixes to keep vampires
away!
Makes no sense, seeing how jebus promoted vampirism.
They should instead put up images of Pazuzu, adversary of and
protector
against the dreaded *****-goddess Lamastu, who brings miscarriage
and crib death.
http://www.balaams-*****.com/alhaj/godlist_long.htm
Or maybe they could put some of these around the room.
http://www.goddessgift.net/page45.html
Wait a minute. That Isis and Baby Horus statue looks mighty
familiar. There's something rotten in Denmark here.
More like something rotten in the Middle East about 2000 years ago. The
people who wrote the gospels were no doubt familiar with the
Osiris-Isis-Horus myth.
Which itself was probably heisted from some earlier myth.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
13 May 2007 06:17:28 PM |
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In article <1179086345.613579.216130@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 12, 7:59 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1178987031.567528.148...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 12, 3:14 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1178936290.747558.206...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 11, 7:53 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5ak0v1F2ooa0...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian E. Clark" <r...@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ae6a55ee09a4598a4d5@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <5ajbb4F2omkt...@mid.individual.net>,
Robibnikoff said...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care
what's on
the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't
see a damn thing anyway ;)
Doctor: Do you like our new crucifixes?
Robyn: I thought that was Spider-Man!
LOL!
BTW, you owe me a keyboard ;)
Hey! I just had a thought. They put the crucifixes to keep vampires
away!
Makes no sense, seeing how jebus promoted vampirism.
They should instead put up images of Pazuzu, adversary of and
protector
against the dreaded *****-goddess Lamastu, who brings miscarriage
and crib death.
http://www.balaams-*****.com/alhaj/godlist_long.htm
Or maybe they could put some of these around the room.
http://www.goddessgift.net/page45.html
Wait a minute. That Isis and Baby Horus statue looks mighty
familiar. There's something rotten in Denmark here.
More like something rotten in the Middle East about 2000 years ago. The
people who wrote the gospels were no doubt familiar with the
Osiris-Isis-Horus myth.
Which itself was probably heisted from some earlier myth.
I'm sure that all religious myths started from a group of early humans
sitting around a campfire telling ghost stories.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
13 May 2007 11:19:27 PM |
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On May 13, 7:17 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1179086345.613579.216...@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 12, 7:59 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1178987031.567528.148...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 12, 3:14 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1178936290.747558.206...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 11, 7:53 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5ak0v1F2ooa0...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian E. Clark" <r...@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ae6a55ee09a4598a4d5@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <5ajbb4F2omkt...@mid.individual.net>,
Robibnikoff said...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care
what's on
the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't
see a damn thing anyway ;)
Doctor: Do you like our new crucifixes?
Robyn: I thought that was Spider-Man!
LOL!
BTW, you owe me a keyboard ;)
Hey! I just had a thought. They put the crucifixes to keep vampires
away!
Makes no sense, seeing how jebus promoted vampirism.
They should instead put up images of Pazuzu, adversary of and
protector
against the dreaded *****-goddess Lamastu, who brings miscarriage
and crib death.
http://www.balaams-*****.com/alhaj/godlist_long.htm
Or maybe they could put some of these around the room.
http://www.goddessgift.net/page45.html
Wait a minute. That Isis and Baby Horus statue looks mighty
familiar. There's something rotten in Denmark here.
More like something rotten in the Middle East about 2000 years ago. The
people who wrote the gospels were no doubt familiar with the
Osiris-Isis-Horus myth.
Which itself was probably heisted from some earlier myth.
I'm sure that all religious myths started from a group of early humans
sitting around a campfire telling ghost stories.
Shortly after the mushrooms kicked in.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
14 May 2007 06:33:37 PM |
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In article <1179116367.309866.183610@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 13, 7:17 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1179086345.613579.216...@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 12, 7:59 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1178987031.567528.148...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 12, 3:14 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1178936290.747558.206...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 11, 7:53 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <5ak0v1F2ooa0...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brian E. Clark" <r...@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in
message
news:MPG.20ae6a55ee09a4598a4d5@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <5ajbb4F2omkt...@mid.individual.net>,
Robibnikoff said...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care
what's on
the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't
see a damn thing anyway ;)
Doctor: Do you like our new crucifixes?
Robyn: I thought that was Spider-Man!
LOL!
BTW, you owe me a keyboard ;)
Hey! I just had a thought. They put the crucifixes to keep
vampires
away!
Makes no sense, seeing how jebus promoted vampirism.
They should instead put up images of Pazuzu, adversary of and
protector
against the dreaded *****-goddess Lamastu, who brings miscarriage
and crib death.
http://www.balaams-*****.com/alhaj/godlist_long.htm
Or maybe they could put some of these around the room.
http://www.goddessgift.net/page45.html
Wait a minute. That Isis and Baby Horus statue looks mighty
familiar. There's something rotten in Denmark here.
More like something rotten in the Middle East about 2000 years ago. The
people who wrote the gospels were no doubt familiar with the
Osiris-Isis-Horus myth.
Which itself was probably heisted from some earlier myth.
I'm sure that all religious myths started from a group of early humans
sitting around a campfire telling ghost stories.
Shortly after the mushrooms kicked in.
Or the wine.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Codebreaker" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
11 May 2007 03:23:00 PM |
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On May 11, 10:02 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-0EC0BD.00040311052007@news.giganews.com...
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
LOL! I know I didn't.
"Push it baby, push it"
"Deep breath..."
Of course, I also didn't have my contacts and couldn't see a damn thing
anyway ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
11 May 2007 09:09:56 PM |
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On May 11, 3:04 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
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Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row
Thu May 10, 10:21 AM ET
A top Italian maternity hospital has drawn criticism from right-wing
politicians by replacing crucifixes on the walls of its wards with
images of the Virgin Mary so as not to offend immigrant women giving
birth there.
Basilio Tiso, head of Milan's Mangiagalli clinic where 7,000 women give
birth each year, said it was felt the Virgin's image was more fitting to
motherhood and was less of a religious statement than a crucifix.
In American hospitals, the decor usually features storks or cartoon
depictions of various large-headed baby animals such as ducklings
or bunnies. Whatever floats their boat, I guess.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
12 May 2007 02:07:19 AM |
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In article <1178935796.189825.209440@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 11, 3:04 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
---
Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row
Thu May 10, 10:21 AM ET
A top Italian maternity hospital has drawn criticism from right-wing
politicians by replacing crucifixes on the walls of its wards with
images of the Virgin Mary so as not to offend immigrant women giving
birth there.
Basilio Tiso, head of Milan's Mangiagalli clinic where 7,000 women give
birth each year, said it was felt the Virgin's image was more fitting to
motherhood and was less of a religious statement than a crucifix.
In American hospitals, the decor usually features storks or cartoon
depictions of various large-headed baby animals such as ducklings
or bunnies. Whatever floats their boat, I guess.
Unless some stork, bunny, or duck worshippers find them blasphemous.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
13 May 2007 02:58:00 PM |
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On May 12, 3:07 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1178935796.189825.209...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 11, 3:04 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
---
Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row
Thu May 10, 10:21 AM ET
A top Italian maternity hospital has drawn criticism from right-wing
politicians by replacing crucifixes on the walls of its wards with
images of the Virgin Mary so as not to offend immigrant women giving
birth there.
Basilio Tiso, head of Milan's Mangiagalli clinic where 7,000 women give
birth each year, said it was felt the Virgin's image was more fitting to
motherhood and was less of a religious statement than a crucifix.
In American hospitals, the decor usually features storks or cartoon
depictions of various large-headed baby animals such as ducklings
or bunnies. Whatever floats their boat, I guess.
Unless some stork, bunny, or duck worshippers find them blasphemous.
In which case, I'd be forced to agree. Crucifying a cartoon baby duck
is
just plain sick, not mention unfunny.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
14 May 2007 01:55:35 AM |
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In article <1179086280.416171.236860@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 12, 3:07 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1178935796.189825.209...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 11, 3:04 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
---
Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row
Thu May 10, 10:21 AM ET
A top Italian maternity hospital has drawn criticism from right-wing
politicians by replacing crucifixes on the walls of its wards with
images of the Virgin Mary so as not to offend immigrant women giving
birth there.
Basilio Tiso, head of Milan's Mangiagalli clinic where 7,000 women give
birth each year, said it was felt the Virgin's image was more fitting to
motherhood and was less of a religious statement than a crucifix.
In American hospitals, the decor usually features storks or cartoon
depictions of various large-headed baby animals such as ducklings
or bunnies. Whatever floats their boat, I guess.
Unless some stork, bunny, or duck worshippers find them blasphemous.
In which case, I'd be forced to agree. Crucifying a cartoon baby duck
is
just plain sick, not mention unfunny.
Now that you mention it, Ugh!
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
11 May 2007 03:08:43 AM |
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On May 11, 8:04 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
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Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row
Thu May 10, 10:21 AM ET
A top Italian maternity hospital has drawn criticism from right-wing
politicians by replacing crucifixes on the walls of its wards with
images of the Virgin Mary so as not to offend immigrant women giving
birth there.
Pictures of VM are just as much Christian symbols as crucifixes, so
what's the difference? Less offensive to vampires maybe?
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| User: "Steve O" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
11 May 2007 04:22:06 AM |
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"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178870923.734459.48960@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 11, 8:04 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
---
Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row
Thu May 10, 10:21 AM ET
A top Italian maternity hospital has drawn criticism from right-wing
politicians by replacing crucifixes on the walls of its wards with
images of the Virgin Mary so as not to offend immigrant women giving
birth there.
Pictures of VM are just as much Christian symbols as crucifixes, so
what's the difference? Less offensive to vampires maybe?
What the hell has a picture of a virgin got to do with a maternity ward
anyway?
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"The only problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them underwater long
enough"
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
11 May 2007 08:30:12 PM |
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"Steve O" <spamhere@nowhere.com> wrote in news:5aiqu3F2od8fcU1
@mid.individual.net:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178870923.734459.48960@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 11, 8:04 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
---
Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row
Thu May 10, 10:21 AM ET
A top Italian maternity hospital has drawn criticism from right-wing
politicians by replacing crucifixes on the walls of its wards with
images of the Virgin Mary so as not to offend immigrant women giving
birth there.
Pictures of VM are just as much Christian symbols as crucifixes, so
what's the difference? Less offensive to vampires maybe?
What the hell has a picture of a virgin got to do with a maternity ward
anyway?
Shorthand for "If a virgin can do it, so can you!"
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Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row |
11 May 2007 09:44:01 AM |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 10:22:06 +0100, "Steve O" <spamhere@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178870923.734459.48960@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 11, 8:04 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure that the women giving birth really don't care what's on the
wall.
---
Milan hospital removes crucifixes, sparks row
Thu May 10, 10:21 AM ET
A top Italian maternity hospital has drawn criticism from right-wing
politicians by replacing crucifixes on the walls of its wards with
images of the Virgin Mary so as not to offend immigrant women giving
birth there.
Pictures of VM are just as much Christian symbols as crucifixes, so
what's the difference? Less offensive to vampires maybe?
What the hell has a picture of a virgin got to do with a maternity ward
anyway?
This virgin was a mother.
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