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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Richo"
Date: 09 May 2006 12:13:28 AM
Object: Miners rescued in Tasmania - A Miracle!
I am not sure if the rest of the world has been following this story
but the news has been full of it here in Australia.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200605/s1634200.htm
In a gold mine here in Tasmania there was a rock fall that trapped
three miners about 1km underground. The body of one was located after a
few days and the other two were feared dead.
A LOT of praying went on. (!)
The other two were found to be alive.
God was thanked for answering the prayers.(!)
It was a difficult a painstaking effort over a fortnight to reach the
other two trapped miners.
A LOT more praying went on.(!)
Finally - this morning local time the two men were free!
It's a miracle - God answered the prayers.(!)
What is all this talk of God and praying about?
It is all very strange.
If God saved those two and deserves thanks for it - what about Larry
the one that died?
Did God want him to die?
Or didn't enough people pray hard enough for Larry to make God want to
save him?
Do people really think that praying made God do something?
If so - that's pretty damn crazy - for all the obvious reasons.
If *not* then why do it?
Isn't it disrespectful/ungrateful to the rescuers and all their careful
planning and hard work to credit God with the successful outcome?
If God does deserve the credit for the rescue of the two guys doesn't
God also deserve credit for killing the other one?
Why don't we hear people thanking God for the death of Larry?
Events like this bring into sharp focus the ridiculous nature of belief
in God.
Mark.
.

User: "\Mark T\ thinkaboutwh@youaredoing363786585457423"

Title: Re: Miners rescued in Tasmania - A Miracle! 09 May 2006 12:58:22 AM
"Richo" wrote:

I am not sure if the rest of the world has been following this story
but the news has been full of it here in Australia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200605/s1634200.htm
In a gold mine here in Tasmania there was a rock fall that trapped
three miners about 1km underground. The body of one was located after a
few days and the other two were feared dead.

.....

It's a miracle - God answered the prayers.(!)

Yes God saved two miners ... and killed the third miner.
Obviously God disliked the third miner who was obviously not a Trew
Kristyun -probably a new age secular humanist liberal theology backslidden
pagan!!!!
God smote the third miner with his divine wrath and killeth him!!!!!
Obviously some Trew Kristyun asked God for this divine judgement. ;-)
Was God able to stop the third miner from being killed????
###################################################
Is god willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent. Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he
both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor
willing? Then why call him god? - Epicurus (341-270 BCE)
##################################################
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User: "Richo"

Title: Re: Miners rescued in Tasmania - A Miracle! 09 May 2006 01:12:13 AM
"Mark T" wrote:

"Richo" wrote:

I am not sure if the rest of the world has been following this story
but the news has been full of it here in Australia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200605/s1634200.htm


In a gold mine here in Tasmania there was a rock fall that trapped
three miners about 1km underground. The body of one was located after a
few days and the other two were feared dead.

....

It's a miracle - God answered the prayers.(!)


Yes God saved two miners ... and killed the third miner.

Obviously God disliked the third miner who was obviously not a Trew
Kristyun -probably a new age secular humanist liberal theology backslidden
pagan!!!!

God smote the third miner with his divine wrath and killeth him!!!!!

Obviously some Trew Kristyun asked God for this divine judgement. ;-)

Was God able to stop the third miner from being killed????

Maybe God was destracted at the time that Larry died (He has a whole
Cosmos to manage) - but once *alterted* to the peril that the two other
men were in by the volume of prayers emenating from Tasmania, he put in
a solid 12 days of listenening to the prayers and watching the rescue
and saying sihlently to Himself ("Good on ya guys! Keep going!") which
was a Great Comfort! Amen.
8-)

###################################################
Is god willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent. Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he
both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor
willing? Then why call him god? - Epicurus (341-270 BCE)
##################################################

You don't find many as smart as Ol' Epicurus.
Mark.
(Nice mane by the way...)
.
User: "\Mark T\ thinkaboutwh@youaredoing363786585457423"

Title: Re: Miners rescued in Tasmania - A Miracle! 09 May 2006 02:02:03 AM
"Richo" wrote:

In a gold mine here in Tasmania there was a rock fall that trapped
three miners about 1km underground. The body of one was located after a
few days and the other two were feared dead.

....

It's a miracle - God answered the prayers.(!)

Yes God saved two miners ... and killed the third miner.
Obviously God disliked the third miner who was obviously not a Trew
Kristyun -probably a new age secular humanist liberal theology
backslidden
pagan!!!!
God smote the third miner with his divine wrath and killeth him!!!!!
Obviously some Trew Kristyun asked God for this divine judgement. ;-)
Was God able to stop the third miner from being killed????


Maybe God was destracted at the time that Larry died (He has a whole
Cosmos to manage) - but once *alterted* to the peril that the two other
men were in by the volume of prayers emenating from Tasmania, he put in
a solid 12 days of listenening to the prayers and watching the rescue
and saying sihlently to Himself ("Good on ya guys! Keep going!") which
was a Great Comfort! Amen.

I am looking for a consistent explanation. There are only three
explanations:
1. God intervened in both situations: "God saved two miners and God killed
one miner".
2. Luck was in both situations: "Good luck that two miners were saved and
bad luck that one was killed".
3. Inconsistent explanation: "God saved two miners, bad luck that the other
one died" OR "Good luck that two miners were saved, God killed the other
miner"
Each of these explanations have a problem concerning God's action in the
world.
I don't know the answer - I'm just pointing out the problem.

###################################################
Is god willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent. Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he
both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor
willing? Then why call him god? - Epicurus (341-270 BCE)
##################################################


You don't find many as smart as Ol' Epicurus.

I wish someone could answer him.
.
User: "Epigram"

Title: Re: Miners rescued in Tasmania - A Miracle! 09 May 2006 07:20:40 PM
On 05/09/2006 15:02:03 "\"Mark T\"" <thinkaboutwh@youaredoing363786585457423> wrote:

"Richo" wrote:

In a gold mine here in Tasmania there was a rock fall that trapped
three miners about 1km underground. The body of one was located after
a few days and the other two were feared dead.

....

It's a miracle - God answered the prayers.(!)

Yes God saved two miners ... and killed the third miner. Obviously God
disliked the third miner who was obviously not a Trew Kristyun -probably
a new age secular humanist liberal theology backslidden pagan!!!! God
smote the third miner with his divine wrath and killeth him!!!!!
Obviously some Trew Kristyun asked God for this divine judgement. ;-)
Was God able to stop the third miner from being killed????

Maybe God was destracted at the time that Larry died (He has a whole
Cosmos to manage) - but once *alterted* to the peril that the two other
men were in by the volume of prayers emenating from Tasmania, he put in a
solid 12 days of listenening to the prayers and watching the rescue and
saying sihlently to Himself ("Good on ya guys! Keep going!") which was a
Great Comfort! Amen.

I am looking for a consistent explanation. There are only three
explanations:
1. God intervened in both situations: "God saved two miners and God
killed one miner". 2. Luck was in both situations: "Good luck that two
miners were saved and bad luck that one was killed". 3. Inconsistent
explanation: "God saved two miners, bad luck that the other one died" OR
"Good luck that two miners were saved, God killed the other miner"
Each of these explanations have a problem concerning God's action in the
world.
I don't know the answer - I'm just pointing out the problem.

################################################### Is god willing to
prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able but
not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then
whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him
god? - Epicurus (341-270 BCE)
##################################################

You don't find many as smart as Ol' Epicurus.

I wish someone could answer him.

You're missing the whole point here. It was a miracle that no-one was arrested when the pub opened in the small hours of the morning to celebrate the survivors' rescue.
A second miracle occured nearly 2 days before, when Richard Carlton asked a silly question, went away, and never came back.
Toby.
--
I saw a funny thing on the way here. So I laughed.
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Miners rescued in Tasmania - A Miracle! 10 May 2006 09:28:13 AM
"Epigram" <not@this.com> wrote in message
news:510816.PUGSYKQT@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
snip


You're missing the whole point here. It was a miracle that no-one was
arrested when the pub opened in the small hours of the morning to
celebrate the survivors' rescue.

<GASP!!> There IS a god! ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Miners rescued in Tasmania - A Miracle! 12 May 2006 01:25:02 AM
In article <4cebetF14sdu3U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Epigram" <not@this.com> wrote in message
news:510816.PUGSYKQT@news-server.bigpond.net.au...


snip


You're missing the whole point here. It was a miracle that no-one was
arrested when the pub opened in the small hours of the morning to
celebrate the survivors' rescue.


<GASP!!> There IS a god! ;)

....and he lives in Tasmania and hangs out in pubs. :-)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Miners rescued in Tasmania - A Miracle! 12 May 2006 10:33:15 AM
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-4C0285.23250211052006@news.giganews.com...

In article <4cebetF14sdu3U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Epigram" <not@this.com> wrote in message
news:510816.PUGSYKQT@news-server.bigpond.net.au...


snip


You're missing the whole point here. It was a miracle that no-one was
arrested when the pub opened in the small hours of the morning to
celebrate the survivors' rescue.


<GASP!!> There IS a god! ;)


...and he lives in Tasmania and hangs out in pubs. :-)

Ah, but is he single? ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Miners rescued in Tasmania - A Miracle! 13 May 2006 02:06:29 AM
In article <4cjo0rF16e1faU1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-4C0285.23250211052006@news.giganews.com...

In article <4cebetF14sdu3U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Epigram" <not@this.com> wrote in message
news:510816.PUGSYKQT@news-server.bigpond.net.au...


snip


You're missing the whole point here. It was a miracle that no-one was
arrested when the pub opened in the small hours of the morning to
celebrate the survivors' rescue.


<GASP!!> There IS a god! ;)


...and he lives in Tasmania and hangs out in pubs. :-)


Ah, but is he single? ;)

I heard he had an affair with a Jewish girl and had a kid, but I don't
think that he married her. The kid married a street walker from Judea
and now they're making a movie about it. :-)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.



User: "Barry OGrady"

Title: Re: Miners rescued in Tasmania - A Miracle! 12 May 2006 10:24:21 AM
On Wed, 10 May 2006 10:28:13 -0400, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Epigram" <not@this.com> wrote in message
news:510816.PUGSYKQT@news-server.bigpond.net.au...


snip


You're missing the whole point here. It was a miracle that no-one was
arrested when the pub opened in the small hours of the morning to
celebrate the survivors' rescue.


<GASP!!> There IS a god! ;)

There must be. The world is in too much of a mess to have happened by chance.

--
Robyn

Barry
=====
Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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User: "\Mark T\ thinkaboutwh@youaredoing363786585457423"

Title: Re: Miners rescued in Tasmania - A Miracle! 09 May 2006 10:07:45 PM
"Epigram" wrote:

You're missing the whole point here. It was a miracle that no-one was
arrested when the
pub opened in the small hours of the morning to celebrate the survivors'
rescue.

I luv it! :-)
.





User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"

Title: Re: Miners rescued in Tasmania - A Miracle! 09 May 2006 03:11:07 AM
Richo:

Events like this bring into sharp focus the ridiculous nature of belief
in God.

Indeed. Now if the rescuers had found all three bodies buried under 50 tons
of rock _and still alive and well,_ that at least would be something worth
talking about (whether miracle or not).
But I guess we can't demand that from such a pathetic weakling as jehoover
who can't even stop some shitty iron chariots from slicing though its
chosen ones, like the wholly babble tells us.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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