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"Jason Spaceman" |
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18 Dec 2006 01:40:17 AM |
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Minnesota: Billboards aim to stoke an evolving debate |
From the article:
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A Minnetonka woman is using freeway signs in Minneapolis and Duluth to
direct people to her pro-creationism Web site.
By Bob Von Sternberg, Star Tribune
Last update: December 17, 2006 – 8:02 PM
For the past couple of weeks, if you've navigated through downtown
Minneapolis on Interstate Hwy. 35W, a certain billboard's evocative
message may have caught your eye.
"Everyone has an opinion on evolution," it reads. "Read ours. Post
yours." A website address -- www.WhoIsYourCreator.com -- is scrolled
across the billboard's bottom.
Although it may not be obvious, the billboard and website are part of
the newest front in the eternal struggle between advocates of
evolution and the champions of creationism.
They are the brainchild of a Minnetonka woman who says God "just put
it in my head to have a billboard to refute evolution."
Julie Haberle, 55, said she once believed creationism "was absolutely
nuts" and has over the past nine years come to the contradictory
conclusion that "evolution is just silly."
So Haberle, a business consultant, created a nonprofit organization
and beat the bushes for contributions the past few years so she could
afford her first two billboards, the one off I-35W on Washington
Avenue and a companion one in Duluth.
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Read it at http://www.startribune.com/462/story/881839.html
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Desertphile" |
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| Title: Re: Minnesota: Billboards aim to stoke an evolving debate |
18 Dec 2006 02:02:49 PM |
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They are the brainchild of a Minnetonka woman who says God [sic] "just put
it in my head to have a billboard to refute evolution."
There's medication available for that problem.
It's more than a little funny how someone who puts up a billboard in
the belief that it will "refute evolution" is considered less nuts than
someone who would but up a billboard in the hope it will "refute
gravity." Both are equally nuts.
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| User: "Bryan Olson" |
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| Title: Re: Minnesota: Billboards aim to stoke an evolving debate |
21 Dec 2006 10:12:59 PM |
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Desertphile wrote:
[...]
It's more than a little funny how someone who puts up a billboard in
the belief that it will "refute evolution" is considered less nuts than
someone who would but up a billboard in the hope it will "refute
gravity." Both are equally nuts.
Unless it's a levitating billboard.
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--Bryan
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| User: "bullpup" |
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| Title: Chez Watt: Re: Minnesota: Billboards aim to stoke an evolving debate |
21 Dec 2006 10:50:50 PM |
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In the catagory of, "This Space For Rent."
"Bryan Olson" <fakeaddress@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:fXIih.41416$qO4.10771@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
Desertphile wrote:
[...]
It's more than a little funny how someone who puts up a billboard in
the belief that it will "refute evolution" is considered less nuts than
someone who would but up a billboard in the hope it will "refute
gravity." Both are equally nuts.
Unless it's a levitating billboard.
Boikat
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Minnesota: Billboards aim to stoke an evolving debate |
18 Dec 2006 03:51:19 PM |
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On 18 Dec 2006 12:02:49 -0800, "Desertphile" <desertphile@hotmail.com>
wrote:
They are the brainchild of a Minnetonka woman who says God [sic] "just put
it in my head to have a billboard to refute evolution."
There's medication available for that problem.
It's more than a little funny how someone who puts up a billboard in
the belief that it will "refute evolution" is considered less nuts than
someone who would but up a billboard in the hope it will "refute
gravity." Both are equally nuts.
Gravity may not actually be what we thing it is - evolution is exactly
what we think it is. So it's less nuts to "refute gravity".
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by
bolts of lightning."
- Calvin & Hobbes
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Robert Carnegie" |
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| Title: Re: Minnesota: Billboards aim to stoke an evolving debate |
19 Dec 2006 01:26:38 PM |
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Hey, Henry Schaefer is now /five/ times Nobel nominee. It was four
before.
Well, take that: http://www.123forum.com/777/view777/7580.htm
I hope my information that any university professor in theology can
nominate whatever damn fool he pleases for the Nobel Peace Prize
stands.
Also, it appears you can't do paragraphs in their forum, unless someone
knows...?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Minnesota: Billboards aim to stoke an evolving debate |
18 Dec 2006 10:54:40 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> writes:
From the article:
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A Minnetonka woman is using freeway signs in Minneapolis and Duluth to
direct people to her pro-creationism Web site.
She should have tried it in St. Paul. (I wonder why she didn't do it in
Minnetonka...I guess they didn't want to affect the attractions they already
have nearby, like Excelsior...)
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Manitoba 1 (December 16)
NEXT GAME: Friday, December 22 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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| Title: Re: Minnesota: Billboards aim to stoke an evolving debate |
20 Dec 2006 09:04:05 PM |
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The Chief Instigator wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> writes:
From the article:
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A Minnetonka woman is using freeway signs in Minneapolis and Duluth to
direct people to her pro-creationism Web site.
She should have tried it in St. Paul. (I wonder why she didn't do it in
Minnetonka...I guess they didn't want to affect the attractions they already
have nearby, like Excelsior...)
Okay, I'll bite. Why St. Paul?
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“What concerns me now is that even if you’re as brilliant as Newton, you
reach a point where you start basking in the majesty of God and then
your discovery stops — it just stops,” Dr. Tyson said. “You’re no good
anymore for advancing that frontier, waiting for somebody else to come
behind you who doesn’t have God on the brain and who says: ‘That’s a
really cool problem. I want to solve it.’
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| User: "Kilmir" |
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| Title: Re: Minnesota: Billboards aim to stoke an evolving debate |
18 Dec 2006 08:36:00 AM |
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Jason Spaceman schreef:
From the article:
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A Minnetonka woman is using freeway signs in Minneapolis and Duluth to
direct people to her pro-creationism Web site.
By Bob Von Sternberg, Star Tribune
Last update: December 17, 2006 - 8:02 PM
For the past couple of weeks, if you've navigated through downtown
Minneapolis on Interstate Hwy. 35W, a certain billboard's evocative
message may have caught your eye.
"Everyone has an opinion on evolution," it reads. "Read ours. Post
yours." A website address -- www.WhoIsYourCreator.com -- is scrolled
across the billboard's bottom.
Although it may not be obvious, the billboard and website are part of
the newest front in the eternal struggle between advocates of
evolution and the champions of creationism.
They are the brainchild of a Minnetonka woman who says God "just put
it in my head to have a billboard to refute evolution."
Julie Haberle, 55, said she once believed creationism "was absolutely
nuts" and has over the past nine years come to the contradictory
conclusion that "evolution is just silly."
So Haberle, a business consultant, created a nonprofit organization
and beat the bushes for contributions the past few years so she could
afford her first two billboards, the one off I-35W on Washington
Avenue and a companion one in Duluth.
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Read it at http://www.startribune.com/462/story/881839.html
Looking at that site it's just the same old arguments rehashed. False
understanding of the Big Bang, low chance of life forming, irreducable
complexity, no new information, etc etc.
Fallacies of Ignorance, Increduality, Authority and Strawmen abound.
Though her method of advertising is a fine example why more secular
minded people take offense to religious nuts.
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| User: "Robert Carnegie" |
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| Title: Re: Minnesota: Billboards aim to stoke an evolving debate |
19 Dec 2006 09:20:22 AM |
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Kilmir wrote:
her method of advertising is a fine example why more secular
minded people take offense to religious nuts.
There are worse things on highway billboards. What worries me: "A
website address is scrolled across the billboard's bottom." Does that
imply moving text marquee-style, which could distract motorists and
cause accidents? Is that unusual in the U.S.? - I'm elsewhere. Oh,
and I might want to know whether funds are used and taxed appropriately
to the purpose for which the are collected. And arguably the
implication that evolution legitimately is a matter of completely free
opinion is objectionable, inasmuch as if people can show you that
you're WRONG then you should accept it, and... what does happen if you
post your opinion on the Web site? Do they respect it? Censor it?
Charge you $14.95 a month?
The story does imply that robust critical comments are accepted fairly.
So if that's the case, maybe everyone can learn something from this.
That'll be good, I think.
Don't all rush at once, then. And be reasonable. Reason works.
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| User: "Marc" |
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21 Dec 2006 05:47:12 AM |
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Robert Carnegie wrote:
Kilmir wrote:
her method of advertising is a fine example why more secular
minded people take offense to religious nuts.
There are worse things on highway billboards. What worries me: "A
website address is scrolled across the billboard's bottom." Does that
imply moving text marquee-style, which could distract motorists and
cause accidents?
From the photos (and their web page has several displayed), it
looks like the web page is just there across the bottom. The
"scrolled" bit seems to be the reporter making nice with his
expressions (and we know that things biblical are often found
in scrolled form, so I can see how he would use the term).
The web address is simple enough to display without any
need for silly things (like moving text), and of course the
costs would go up for some gizmo - and one thing that
we do know is that this was done at a quite basic cost.
(signed) marc
Is that unusual in the U.S.? - I'm elsewhere. Oh,
and I might want to know whether funds are used and taxed appropriately
to the purpose for which the are collected. And arguably the
implication that evolution legitimately is a matter of completely free
opinion is objectionable, inasmuch as if people can show you that
you're WRONG then you should accept it, and... what does happen if you
post your opinion on the Web site? Do they respect it? Censor it?
From what I recall, having glanced at it the other day, you need
to sign up somehow and I couldn't be bothered. Cost did not seem
to be involved.
Charge you $14.95 a month?
The story does imply that robust critical comments are accepted fairly.
So if that's the case, maybe everyone can learn something from this.
That'll be good, I think.
Don't all rush at once, then. And be reasonable. Reason works.
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| User: "Robert Carnegie" |
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23 Dec 2006 05:19:36 AM |
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Marc wrote:
From what I recall, having glanced at it the other day, you need
to sign up somehow and I couldn't be bothered. Cost did not seem
to be involved.
A signup doesn't seem to be required, you just type name and password
and post. However, the forum has other disadvantages - that being one.
I don't know if posts are manually censored or it should be full of
pornography and cheap drug and mortgage offers... and it can tell you
by e-mail when there's a reply but it doesn't tell you which of
multiple posts of yours were replied to, and if you write an article
with a single quote sign in the subject line, it breaks - you need to
double it, here''s an example - and paragraphs run together unless you
leave
two blank lines instead of one.
So it's a bit of a mess.
I'm contemplating laying some educated constructive criticism on them,
but I'm not sure if it's worthwhile. I have just posted there "What
would actually change anyone's mind"...
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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20 Dec 2006 09:05:31 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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A Minnetonka woman is using freeway signs in Minneapolis and Duluth to
direct people to her pro-creationism Web site.
By Bob Von Sternberg, Star Tribune
Last update: December 17, 2006 – 8:02 PM
For the past couple of weeks, if you've navigated through downtown
Minneapolis on Interstate Hwy. 35W, a certain billboard's evocative
message may have caught your eye.
"Everyone has an opinion on evolution," it reads. "Read ours. Post
yours." A website address -- www.WhoIsYourCreator.com -- is scrolled
across the billboard's bottom.
Although it may not be obvious, the billboard and website are part of
the newest front in the eternal struggle between advocates of
evolution and the champions of creationism.
They are the brainchild of a Minnetonka woman who says God "just put
it in my head to have a billboard to refute evolution."
Julie Haberle, 55, said she once believed creationism "was absolutely
nuts" and has over the past nine years come to the contradictory
conclusion that "evolution is just silly."
So Haberle, a business consultant, created a nonprofit organization
and beat the bushes for contributions the past few years so she could
afford her first two billboards, the one off I-35W on Washington
Avenue and a companion one in Duluth.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.startribune.com/462/story/881839.html
The thing that worries me is that she actually sells her services as a
consultant. What business will hire such a dingbat?
J. Spaceman
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“What concerns me now is that even if you’re as brilliant as Newton, you
reach a point where you start basking in the majesty of God and then
your discovery stops — it just stops,” Dr. Tyson said. “You’re no good
anymore for advancing that frontier, waiting for somebody else to come
behind you who doesn’t have God on the brain and who says: ‘That’s a
really cool problem. I want to solve it.’
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| User: "Mujin" |
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| Title: Re: Minnesota: Billboards aim to stoke an evolving debate |
20 Dec 2006 10:11:26 PM |
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In article <nc2dnUrVMsycZxTYnZ2dnUVZ_t_inZ2d@comcast.com>,
notphalennotwebnotcontentnot@oohay.com says...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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A Minnetonka woman is using freeway signs in Minneapolis and Duluth to
direct people to her pro-creationism Web site.
By Bob Von Sternberg, Star Tribune
Last update: December 17, 2006 =3F8:02 PM
For the past couple of weeks, if you've navigated through downtown
Minneapolis on Interstate Hwy. 35W, a certain billboard's evocative
message may have caught your eye.
"You're telling me
Your pop's an ape
All covered with hair?
Get smoother cheeks
So debonair!
Burma-Shave"
=3F
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Minnesota: Billboards aim to stoke an evolving debate |
21 Dec 2006 09:04:06 AM |
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Mujin <umwinkl0@seesee.umanitoba.ca> writes:
In article <nc2dnUrVMsycZxTYnZ2dnUVZ_t_inZ2d@comcast.com>,
notphalennotwebnotcontentnot@oohay.com says...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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A Minnetonka woman is using freeway signs in Minneapolis and Duluth to
direct people to her pro-creationism Web site.
By Bob Von Sternberg, Star Tribune
Last update: December 17, 2006 =3F8:02 PM
For the past couple of weeks, if you've navigated through downtown
Minneapolis on Interstate Hwy. 35W, a certain billboard's evocative
message may have caught your eye.
"You're telling me
Your pop's an ape
All covered with hair?
Get smoother cheeks
So debonair!
Burma-Shave"
Heh, but that'd be down in Red Wing.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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