On Feb 5, 3:02 pm, "louan...@yahoo.com" <louan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Jesus-Story-Behind->Changed/dp/006073...
In spite of the scary-sounding title, this is a Christian-friendly
book. It's a pretty accessible account of both how the New >Testament
was compiled, selected, and passed down to the present and >of how
theologians' understanding of that process has changed >over several
centuries. Slightly dry is the worst I could say about it. From >what I
know of the subject, everything Ehrman says is absolutely >standard
seminary fare and should shock no one on the mainstream >side of the
nave. Or anyone who's studied ancient history, especially the >history
of how books were transmitted in pre-printing-press days.
This is not to say that it hasn't shocked some people, of >course.http://www.amazon.com/Misquotes-MISQUOTING->JESUS-Still-Believe/dp/
0977742466/sr=1-3/qid=1170704022/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/002-1911871-1743206?
ie=UTF8&s=books
As a companion volume I'd recommend God's Secretaries: >The Making of
the King James Bible by Adam Nicolson. It deals with the >translation
of the King James Version, same mix of history and textual >criticism.
I've drawn up a little quiz. Not knowing the answers or not >having
thought much about them is one thing. But if the mere fact of >seeing
the questions posed makes you feel upset and under >spiritual attack,
these books will freak you out.
Assume that you are a convert to Christianity somewhere in >the Roman
world between, say, 100 AD and 400 A.D. You want to own a >Bible.
The Bible that most read was the Jewish books now known
as OLD TESTAMENT.
Paul recommand it to Tomothy, his spiritual son.
Jesus quoted no New Testament.
Paul quoted Moses more than he did Jesus. Yet he the most
exemplar disciple of Jesus you would never come across.
Quoting or misquoting Jesus is irrelevant and aimed
at distracting people from the real issues.
After the Apostles. The first Christian Community
had then. The Torah Of Moses + The Prophets +
Apostles or Paul's letters.
1. Where will you get a copy?
The Jewish oracle
The Torah + The Prophets
were the only books they had.
2. What language will it be written in? Is that the original >language
The Jewish ORACLE or the Old Testament was translated
in Greek though the original was in Hebrew and Aramean.The Samaritan
Torah
of composition or a translation?
3. Will it contain books not found in a 20th century copy of >the New
Are you trying to speculate about some lost books of
the Bible? There is no lost book jerk.
***** YOU
Testament?
4. Will it omit books found in a 20th century copy of the New
Testament?
Irrelevant
5. Same two questions, but compare to a 20th century copy >of the Old
Testament.
The Church or Christinaity had no control on the Jewish
books, the Jews decided which books they should include
in their canon.
Paul even quoted some books such jubile of Moses
where Jannes and Jambress opposed Moses
in the desert of Sinai.
Those books were found by the jews to be Apocrypha
to mean not authoritative
6. Will your copy of a given book be exactly the same as >someone.
What matter is the original copy and not the translation
else's copy of the same text? If not, which is correct?
7. You travel to another city and visit the Christian community >there.
Will their Bibles contain the same books that yours does? If >there are
The Apostles durind a council decided some pratical
rules for the Christian Community. They said nothing
about books, because for them the only books which mattered
were the books where Jesus was foretold as the Christ.
Every community agrees on the fact that Jesus is the Christ
the Messiah foretold by Moses, that is the main issue.
The idea of New Testament books is
a christian initiative and not the Apostles initiative.
differences, who is correct?
8. Your Bible was hand-copied by a scribe, since the printing >press
will not be invented for over 1000 years. Could there be any >copying mistakes?
This is internal issues and not for outsiders.
By the way do you have the original copy to talk
about a copying mistake?
9. Could a scribe have changed the text because the original >version
seemed to him not to make sense? (In good faith, trying to >correct
what seemed an obvious error.)
Like what? The Scribe would never say that Pontus Pilatus
was the Messiah. Nothing of sort did they correct
10. Could a scribe have changed the text, again in good >faith, to make
some point less ambiguous?
One point which matters is this. Who was Jesus?
He was the Christ/Messiah foretold by Moses.
Of a virgin he was born
He was put to death
under Pontius Pilatus.
He rose again, the 3th day according to
the Jewish Scriptures and he ascended
into Heaven, he will come again to
judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will never end.
Bonus questions:
11. What is the oldest known list of New Testament books >that exactly
matches the current New Testament?
The Epistles of Paul. they outlined some
doctrinal issues and correct some errors
12. Were similar materials left out of the authorized New >Testament?
We miss nothing in the Epistles sent out by Paul,
your question therefore is irrelevant
13. Who decided, and on what basis? Was the decision >unanimous?
The Bishops in the Roman Empire decided, based on the
oral and verbally transmitted teaching they had from
the Apostles, that is to the TRADITION. Sometimes
being around the Apostles as his mission companion
was enough for one's teaching or writing to be labelled
Apostolic...
And you did not know that?
What an ***** you were.
Louann, on a brief flying visit.
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