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"Saul_Sabia" |
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18 May 2005 05:54:47 AM |
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modern christian music |
So for some unknown reason i've been turning on the christian music
channel on my radio and just listening to it as i drive. maybe i'm just
getting bored of hearing the same-old-same-old that i always listen to.
anyways, it's some praise channel... and i'm struck at A) how crappy
christian music is, and B) how slow it all is.
let me qualify the first statement. i've heard some pretty decent
christian music lately... switchfoot, for instance. good stuff. but
in-between i have to listen to "shout to the lord" (okay, it's not that
bad) and all kinds of other mid- to slow-tempo whiney "your name is
holy" or "i lift you up on high" or "i lift your holy name on high" or
"you are worthy to receive my worship" or "you're worthy to have me
lift your holy name on high" or whatever.
it all seems so ... formulaic. it's like take any love song, delete the
sex references (unlike cartman did in south park... LMAO!) and just put
jesus' name in at random. and the big thing is that it's only one or
two songs that _don't_ have jesus' name splattered all over, too!
the big thing was that it seemed like it was all mid-tempo. dah dah dah
dah dah DA dah dah ... lightly bouncing along at 60-80 bpm... is all
radio-christian music like that? is that the compromise you have to
make to appeal to the biggest slice of christians?
a little boring for me. i'm beginning to crave a different beat, a
different time signature, a distorted guitar, or a bpm that rises above
60. but i'm still sticking to it. i'm going to bloody understand the
modern christian if it kills me! (and the boredom might!)
i found a book at the library that was an encyclopedia of christian
music. it was interesting because just about every single entry either
had a comparison to a fairly well-known "secular" artist ("his voice
could be compared to Bono's, or Elton's...." shyeah right), says that
this artist did for christian music what "xxxx" did for secular music
("DC talk did for christian music what Beastie Boys and Nirvana did for
all other radio!" ummm... so why haven't i heard more than one song
from them?), or bemoaned the apparent injustice in the music industry
("if the music industry had God in it, the Newsboys would've broken all
over mainstream music!" ummmm, sure. still never heard a newsboys
song).
the funniest part was when the author said "yeah, christian music is
always said to lag behind mainstream music, and it probably always
will." is that because it's all RIPPED OFF?
hmmm. i forgot what this post was about. damn. oh yeah, modern
christian music. so, does it all sound like crap still, like it did
about five years ago when i listened last?
i'd like to find a christian, upbeat, uptempo, ska or punk band with
vaguely intelligent lyrics that can use more phrases than "lift his
name on high" or "i love to worship" or even "shout to the lord". maybe
even... gasp.... write a song that might be about something ... *gasp*
.... else?
what a ramble. anyways, it's been on my mind.
i've been toying around with the idea of writing my own christian
music. it's sick and perverse, i know, especially since i'm not
christian, but it seems so easy... it would probably irk my girl (who
is christian) to know that a non-christian writes better music than a
christian does.... hmmm.... in the spirit of perversity, i just might
do it...
now what's a synonym for "lift your holy name on high" ... hrmm ...
Saul
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: modern christian music |
18 May 2005 07:21:17 AM |
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"Modern Christian" is an oxymoron.
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| User: "RS" |
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| Title: Re: modern christian music |
18 May 2005 12:08:25 PM |
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"Saul_Sabia" <saul_sabia@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1116413687.097406.138040@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
let me qualify the first statement. i've heard some pretty decent
christian music lately... switchfoot, for instance. good stuff. but
in-between i have to listen to "shout to the lord" (okay, it's not that
bad) and all kinds of other mid- to slow-tempo whiney "your name is
holy" or "i lift you up on high" or "i lift your holy name on high" or
"you are worthy to receive my worship" or "you're worthy to have me
lift your holy name on high" or whatever.
If you listen to any song over and over again, you will get that same
feeling. I agree that Shout to the Lord is slow. I personally do not like
the song that much, but in worship it is a good way to praise the lord (for
worship music isn't about how it makes us feel, but how it brings glory to
God).
it all seems so ... formulaic. it's like take any love song, delete the
sex references (unlike cartman did in south park... LMAO!) and just put
jesus' name in at random. and the big thing is that it's only one or
two songs that _don't_ have jesus' name splattered all over, too!
Most Christian music isn't like this at all. I have never heard a Christian
song that I felt has mocked or mimiced a mainstream genre song.
the big thing was that it seemed like it was all mid-tempo. dah dah dah
dah dah DA dah dah ... lightly bouncing along at 60-80 bpm... is all
radio-christian music like that? is that the compromise you have to
make to appeal to the biggest slice of christians?
Maybe on that particular radio station you are listening to, yes. I have
heard some good songs on christian-radio, but if you truly desire to listen
to good Christian music, I suggest you dig for yourself. Here are some good
artists:
Michael W. Smith (mostly slower music)
Hillsong (try a song called "One Way"
Kirk Franklin
Sonic Flood
and these last two you might like:
Steve Curtis Chapman
Mike Kearney.
I suggest Mike Kearney, since he makes his own music and plays mostly in the
Christian-rap genre. He is a white guy who plays very well and many of his
songs do not appear to be Christian songs until you understand them from a
worship perspective.
-RS
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| User: "Saul_Sabia" |
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| Title: Re: modern christian music |
19 May 2005 09:44:02 PM |
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I don't dig Michael Smith, i figured that out. it's been too long since
i've heard his music, so i can't call him ***** no matter how much i
want to, i'll just content myself with saying that i remember not
liking it. a lot.
i'll look into the rest of them if i come across 'em. i don't have DSL
yet (countdown: like 2 weeks) but when i do it'll be easier.
i think that how music makes us feel has a direct relationship to the
quality of the praise, if that's an issue. it's like putting on music
to have sex to.... if you like the music, and get into it, the sex will
be better. if it's bland and crappy and you're not into it, the
intimacy-thing will suffer. that kind of thing.
in other words, it's hard to praise god to muzak.
Saul
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| User: "Christian M. Mericle" |
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| Title: Re: modern christian music |
20 May 2005 09:25:10 AM |
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On 19 May 2005 19:44:02 -0700, "Saul_Sabia" <saul_sabia@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I don't dig Michael Smith, i figured that out. it's been too long since
i've heard his music, so i can't call him ***** no matter how much i
want to, i'll just content myself with saying that i remember not
liking it. a lot.
I don't get why the guy gets nominated for so many awards. It's almost
like he's mindlessly preprinted on the list and the other noms get
written in beneath him. I'm not a big MWS fan and never have been.
<snip>
-- Christian (aka Inky)
Save Darfur -- http://www.savedarfur.org/
World Vision (Darfur) -- http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182
ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html
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| User: "Bruce H. McIntosh" |
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| Title: Re: modern christian music |
17 Jun 2005 01:24:49 PM |
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On Fri, 20 May 2005 08:25:10 -0600, Christian M. Mericle wrote:
On 19 May 2005 19:44:02 -0700, "Saul_Sabia" <saul_sabia@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I don't dig Michael Smith, i figured that out. it's been too long since
i've heard his music, so i can't call him ***** no matter how much i
want to, i'll just content myself with saying that i remember not
liking it. a lot.
I don't get why the guy gets nominated for so many awards. It's almost
like he's mindlessly preprinted on the list and the other noms get
written in beneath him. I'm not a big MWS fan and never have been.
(*snip*)
Ok, this looks like a good place to come out of hiding...
Back in 198(mumble) (ok, 89) we saw MWS at Night of Joy at MouseWorld, and
were throroughly put off by the whole
80s-pop-star-with-squealing-teen-fans image. I've studiously avoided MWS'
music for years because of the traumatic emotional scars and
half-remembered nausea of that event. :-) Well, exception has to be made
for his "WORSHIP" CD. I'm full-out impressed with the effort, and highly
recommend it.
Now, then, having delurked for the first time in 5 years, who of the 90s
crew is still around? :-)
--
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Bruce H. McIntosh www.afn.org/~scotsman WA4UF
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Network geek with a strong affinity for Telecasters
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: modern christian music |
25 Jun 2005 11:20:31 PM |
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why do terms like "christian" and "secular" even exist?
even the songs in the hymnals were drinking songs with the lyrics
changed!
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| User: "Saul_Sabia" |
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27 Jun 2005 11:24:50 PM |
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why do terms like "christian" and "secular" even exist?
because there has to be a difference between believer and non-believer,
divine and human, sacred and profane. particularly, the christian world
feels that it seeks a world that is separate and purer than the one
they inhabit.
sadly, and most pathetically, they ape and imitate and rip-off the
"secular" world and the "secular" music to create their very own
"christian" world and "christian" music.
it was true then, and it's true now, as you point out.
Saul
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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18 May 2005 01:57:41 PM |
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 17:08:25 GMT, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
"Saul_Sabia" <saul_sabia@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1116413687.097406.138040@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
let me qualify the first statement. i've heard some pretty decent
christian music lately... switchfoot, for instance. good stuff. but
in-between i have to listen to "shout to the lord" (okay, it's not that
bad) and all kinds of other mid- to slow-tempo whiney "your name is
holy" or "i lift you up on high" or "i lift your holy name on high" or
"you are worthy to receive my worship" or "you're worthy to have me
lift your holy name on high" or whatever.
If you listen to any song over and over again, you will get that same
feeling. I agree that Shout to the Lord is slow. I personally do not like
the song that much, but in worship it is a good way to praise the lord (for
worship music isn't about how it makes us feel, but how it brings glory to
God).
How does poorly-written music do that?
it all seems so ... formulaic. it's like take any love song, delete the
sex references (unlike cartman did in south park... LMAO!) and just put
jesus' name in at random. and the big thing is that it's only one or
two songs that _don't_ have jesus' name splattered all over, too!
Most Christian music isn't like this at all. I have never heard a Christian
song that I felt has mocked or mimiced a mainstream genre song.
???
the big thing was that it seemed like it was all mid-tempo. dah dah dah
dah dah DA dah dah ... lightly bouncing along at 60-80 bpm... is all
radio-christian music like that? is that the compromise you have to
make to appeal to the biggest slice of christians?
Maybe on that particular radio station you are listening to, yes. I have
heard some good songs on christian-radio, but if you truly desire to listen
to good Christian music, I suggest you dig for yourself. Here are some good
artists:
Michael W. Smith (mostly slower music)
sings flat
Hillsong (try a song called "One Way"
Kirk Franklin
sounds like a buzz saw
Sonic Flood
needs tuning lessons.
and these last two you might like:
Steve Curtis Chapman
sings like he's constipated, major pitch problems, agent of Satan
(married and divorced how many times? How many numerous affairs?)
Mike Kearney.
I suggest Mike Kearney, since he makes his own music and plays mostly in the
Christian-rap genre. He is a white guy who plays very well and many of his
songs do not appear to be Christian songs until you understand them from a
worship perspective.
Too bad you have no idea what you're talking about.
If the purpose of liturgical music is to provide an aesthetic which
enables the listener to achieve a communion with something outside of
themselves (as you suggested), then why do you advocate the use of
music which is "composed" (for lack of a better term) without the
actual music in mind?
Long Live Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli!!!!
Bonnie *****
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| User: "Saul_Sabia" |
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19 May 2005 09:46:25 PM |
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If the purpose of liturgical music is to provide an aesthetic which
enables the listener to achieve a communion with something outside of
themselves (as you suggested), then why do you advocate the use of
music which is "composed" (for lack of a better term) without the
actual music in mind?
huh? my god, my dream-in-the-middle-of-the-day came true! people still
don't make sense and babies are still ugly as sin until the blackouts
come!
god, i hate falling asleep in the middle of the day, it messes with me
so badly.
Saul
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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20 May 2005 03:30:47 AM |
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On 19 May 2005 19:46:25 -0700, "Saul_Sabia" <saul_sabia@yahoo.com>
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If the purpose of liturgical music is to provide an aesthetic which
enables the listener to achieve a communion with something outside of
themselves (as you suggested), then why do you advocate the use of
music which is "composed" (for lack of a better term) without the
actual music in mind?
huh?
If the purpose of liturgical music is to provide an aesthetic which
enables the listener to achieve a communion with something outside of
themselves (as you suggested), then why do you advocate the use of
music which is "composed" (for lack of a better term) without the
actual music in mind?
I know, I know, I probably lost you at "if," but hey -- I tried it the
nice way. And this wasn't even in response to what YOU wrote, bunky.
But let me dumb it down for you, ok?
Try this:
Music is not ear candy for musical ***** wannabes, bunky.
Christstain worship ear candy (it ain't music) isn't about the music,
it's about how many times you can fit in the words "jesus" and "god."
"Screw the music" is the same attitude all the amateur liturgical
musical-*****-wannabes trot out, thinking it makes the music somehow
good. Or that just because the music keeps saying "jesus" and "god,"
that it's music, when the emphasis isn't on the MUSIC.
HTH, GICH, HAND, TYVM.
Ein Prosit der GemŸtlichkeit --
Bonnie *****
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| User: "Saul_Sabia" |
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21 May 2005 03:51:32 AM |
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thank you for clarifying. i figured you were trying to say something
like that, but i wanted to be certain.
Saul
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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21 May 2005 04:31:21 AM |
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Saul, sweetie babe, honey-lamb --
What the ***** are you babbling about now?
No one (I bet not even you, thanks to the drugs) knows what you're
talking about if you REFUSE to quote the text to which you are
responding.
Don't be such an obtuse jackass, dude.
Ein Prosit der GemŸtlichkeit --
Bonnie *****
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| User: "AntiSocial" |
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| Title: Re: modern christian music |
26 May 2005 02:53:51 AM |
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Bonnie ***** wrote:
Saul, sweetie babe, honey-lamb --
What the ***** are you babbling about now?
No one (I bet not even you, thanks to the drugs) knows what you're
talking about if you REFUSE to quote the text to which you are
responding.
Don't be such an obtuse jackass, dude.
Do I dare point out the fact that you don't post what you're quoting
either?
Or that neither of you has said anything much outside of baseless
personal insults for the past, oh, two days?
*begin sarcasm*
But that would mean bringing logic before an "artist", so why bother?
*end sarcasm* (just so there's no misunderstandings)
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| User: "Bonnie B." |
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| Title: Re: modern christian music |
26 May 2005 04:04:55 AM |
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On Thu, 26 May 2005 07:53:51 GMT, AntiSocial
<pessimistdepressionist@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bonnie ***** wrote:
Saul, sweetie babe, honey-lamb --
What the ***** are you babbling about now?
No one (I bet not even you, thanks to the drugs) knows what you're
talking about if you REFUSE to quote the text to which you are
responding.
Don't be such an obtuse jackass, dude.
Do I dare point out the fact that you don't post what you're quoting
either?
Well, you could. And then I would just remind you that I was making a
point, to confuse whatshisface.
But then you'd just snip it out anyway, so kwitcherbitchin.
Or that neither of you has said anything much outside of baseless
personal insults for the past, oh, two days?
Thanks for joining the club, bunky.
*begin sarcasm*
But that would mean bringing logic before an "artist", so why bother?
*end sarcasm* (just so there's no misunderstandings)
You misspelled "pissant *****."
Note lack of sarcasm.
Ein Prosit der GemŸtlichkeit --
Bonnie *****
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| User: "AntiSocial" |
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| Title: Re: modern christian music |
28 May 2005 01:37:25 AM |
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Bonnie B. wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 07:53:51 GMT, AntiSocial
<pessimistdepressionist@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bonnie ***** wrote:
Saul, sweetie babe, honey-lamb --
What the ***** are you babbling about now?
No one (I bet not even you, thanks to the drugs) knows what you're
talking about if you REFUSE to quote the text to which you are
responding.
Don't be such an obtuse jackass, dude.
Do I dare point out the fact that you don't post what you're quoting
either?
Well, you could. And then I would just remind you that I was making a
point, to confuse whatshisface.
But then you'd just snip it out anyway, so kwitcherbitchin.
Wait... there was a time in which you made a point? Funny, I saw nothing
but pointless bitching and attempts to make yourself look smart.
Or that neither of you has said anything much outside of baseless
personal insults for the past, oh, two days?
Thanks for joining the club, bunky.
You mean I got your presidential seal of approival? w007.
*begin sarcasm*
But that would mean bringing logic before an "artist", so why bother?
*end sarcasm* (just so there's no misunderstandings)
You misspelled "pissant *****."
Actually, I never said that. Was that you trying, and failing, to be
clever, or did you forget your glasses somewhere?
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| User: "Bonnie B." |
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| Title: Re: modern christian music |
28 May 2005 03:26:40 AM |
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 06:37:25 GMT, AntiSocial
<pessimistdepressionist@yahoo.com> wrote:
<castrate irrelevant material>
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| User: "Christian M. Mericle" |
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18 May 2005 04:13:27 PM |
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 11:57:41 -0700, Bonnie *****
<321teerts@emases.moc> wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005 17:08:25 GMT, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:
<snip>
Steve Curtis Chapman
sings like he's constipated, major pitch problems, agent of Satan
(married and divorced how many times? How many numerous affairs?)
Married: Once.
Divorced: None.
Affairs: None that I've ever heard of.
<snip>
Too bad you have no idea what you're talking about.
In the clueless department apparently he has company in you.
Bonnie *****
-- Christian (aka Inky)
Save Darfur -- http://www.savedarfur.org/
World Vision (Darfur) -- http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10025&item=1072182
ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html
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| User: "rj" |
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| Title: Re: modern christian music |
18 May 2005 06:34:33 AM |
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"Saul_Sabia" <saul_sabia@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1116413687.097406.138040
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
So for some unknown reason i've been turning on the christian music
channel on my radio and just listening to it as i drive. maybe i'm just
getting bored of hearing the same-old-same-old that i always listen to.
anyways, it's some praise channel... and i'm struck at A) how crappy
christian music is, and B) how slow it all is.
let me qualify the first statement. i've heard some pretty decent
christian music lately... switchfoot, for instance. good stuff. but
in-between i have to listen to "shout to the lord" (okay, it's not that
bad) and all kinds of other mid- to slow-tempo whiney "your name is
holy" or "i lift you up on high" or "i lift your holy name on high" or
"you are worthy to receive my worship" or "you're worthy to have me
lift your holy name on high" or whatever.
it all seems so ... formulaic. it's like take any love song, delete the
sex references (unlike cartman did in south park... LMAO!) and just put
jesus' name in at random. and the big thing is that it's only one or
two songs that _don't_ have jesus' name splattered all over, too!
the big thing was that it seemed like it was all mid-tempo. dah dah dah
dah dah DA dah dah ... lightly bouncing along at 60-80 bpm... is all
radio-christian music like that? is that the compromise you have to
make to appeal to the biggest slice of christians?
a little boring for me. i'm beginning to crave a different beat, a
different time signature, a distorted guitar, or a bpm that rises above
60. but i'm still sticking to it. i'm going to bloody understand the
modern christian if it kills me! (and the boredom might!)
i found a book at the library that was an encyclopedia of christian
music. it was interesting because just about every single entry either
had a comparison to a fairly well-known "secular" artist ("his voice
could be compared to Bono's, or Elton's...." shyeah right), says that
this artist did for christian music what "xxxx" did for secular music
("DC talk did for christian music what Beastie Boys and Nirvana did for
all other radio!" ummm... so why haven't i heard more than one song
from them?), or bemoaned the apparent injustice in the music industry
("if the music industry had God in it, the Newsboys would've broken all
over mainstream music!" ummmm, sure. still never heard a newsboys
song).
the funniest part was when the author said "yeah, christian music is
always said to lag behind mainstream music, and it probably always
will." is that because it's all RIPPED OFF?
hmmm. i forgot what this post was about. damn. oh yeah, modern
christian music. so, does it all sound like crap still, like it did
about five years ago when i listened last?
i'd like to find a christian, upbeat, uptempo, ska or punk band with
vaguely intelligent lyrics that can use more phrases than "lift his
name on high" or "i love to worship" or even "shout to the lord". maybe
even... gasp.... write a song that might be about something ... *gasp*
... else?
what a ramble. anyways, it's been on my mind.
i've been toying around with the idea of writing my own christian
music. it's sick and perverse, i know, especially since i'm not
christian, but it seems so easy... it would probably irk my girl (who
is christian) to know that a non-christian writes better music than a
christian does.... hmmm.... in the spirit of perversity, i just might
do it...
now what's a synonym for "lift your holy name on high" ... hrmm ...
Saul
It is what some might call Musak for the terminally stupid. I can't stand
the drivel. Give me the music of the perverse, the homosexual, the menally
ill and maybe a little music of the normal man. Now that is real music
written by real people. What am I referring to? Classical music.
rj
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"I'm an atheist, thank God." - Dave Allen
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| User: "AntiSocial" |
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19 May 2005 01:34:15 PM |
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Eh, you're not alone on this on Saul. I've yet to hear anything that was
even vaguely entertaining. Tooth & Nail records sounds like a bad
rip-off of epitaph with a harder edge, and everything else puts me to sleep.
Now, I could be really negative and point out that those that follow the
format layed down by things like "Songs for Worship" are also set to
both the perfect beat and perfect frequency range to aid in getting
people into a light trance thereby increasing their suggestability to
the mesage being portrayed... but I'm not mean like that.
Saul_Sabia wrote:
So for some unknown reason i've been turning on the christian music
channel on my radio and just listening to it as i drive. maybe i'm just
getting bored of hearing the same-old-same-old that i always listen to.
anyways, it's some praise channel... and i'm struck at A) how crappy
christian music is, and B) how slow it all is.
let me qualify the first statement. i've heard some pretty decent
christian music lately... switchfoot, for instance. good stuff. but
in-between i have to listen to "shout to the lord" (okay, it's not that
bad) and all kinds of other mid- to slow-tempo whiney "your name is
holy" or "i lift you up on high" or "i lift your holy name on high" or
"you are worthy to receive my worship" or "you're worthy to have me
lift your holy name on high" or whatever.
it all seems so ... formulaic. it's like take any love song, delete the
sex references (unlike cartman did in south park... LMAO!) and just put
jesus' name in at random. and the big thing is that it's only one or
two songs that _don't_ have jesus' name splattered all over, too!
the big thing was that it seemed like it was all mid-tempo. dah dah dah
dah dah DA dah dah ... lightly bouncing along at 60-80 bpm... is all
radio-christian music like that? is that the compromise you have to
make to appeal to the biggest slice of christians?
a little boring for me. i'm beginning to crave a different beat, a
different time signature, a distorted guitar, or a bpm that rises above
60. but i'm still sticking to it. i'm going to bloody understand the
modern christian if it kills me! (and the boredom might!)
i found a book at the library that was an encyclopedia of christian
music. it was interesting because just about every single entry either
had a comparison to a fairly well-known "secular" artist ("his voice
could be compared to Bono's, or Elton's...." shyeah right), says that
this artist did for christian music what "xxxx" did for secular music
("DC talk did for christian music what Beastie Boys and Nirvana did for
all other radio!" ummm... so why haven't i heard more than one song
from them?), or bemoaned the apparent injustice in the music industry
("if the music industry had God in it, the Newsboys would've broken all
over mainstream music!" ummmm, sure. still never heard a newsboys
song).
the funniest part was when the author said "yeah, christian music is
always said to lag behind mainstream music, and it probably always
will." is that because it's all RIPPED OFF?
hmmm. i forgot what this post was about. damn. oh yeah, modern
christian music. so, does it all sound like crap still, like it did
about five years ago when i listened last?
i'd like to find a christian, upbeat, uptempo, ska or punk band with
vaguely intelligent lyrics that can use more phrases than "lift his
name on high" or "i love to worship" or even "shout to the lord". maybe
even... gasp.... write a song that might be about something ... *gasp*
... else?
what a ramble. anyways, it's been on my mind.
i've been toying around with the idea of writing my own christian
music. it's sick and perverse, i know, especially since i'm not
christian, but it seems so easy... it would probably irk my girl (who
is christian) to know that a non-christian writes better music than a
christian does.... hmmm.... in the spirit of perversity, i just might
do it...
now what's a synonym for "lift your holy name on high" ... hrmm ..
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| User: "Saul_Sabia" |
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| Title: Re: modern christian music |
19 May 2005 09:56:29 PM |
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Now, I could be really negative and point out that those that follow
the
format layed down by things like "Songs for Worship" are also set to
both the perfect beat and perfect frequency range to aid in getting
people into a light trance thereby increasing their suggestability to
the mesage being portrayed... but I'm not mean like that.
time to look that stuff up! i need my *own* religious following who
will pander to my devious sexual desires (most cult personalities are
sexually deviant) and will listen to my crappy music and drink my
crappy home-made wine. no, no, the kool-aid comes later, ben
affleck.... *maniacal laughter*
*realizes he can spell "maniacal" maniackal!* *insane maniackal
laughter*
Saul
no more sleeping in the middle of the day for Saul...
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| User: "AntiSocial" |
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26 May 2005 02:26:06 AM |
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Saul_Sabia wrote:
Now, I could be really negative and point out that those that follow
the
format layed down by things like "Songs for Worship" are also set to
both the perfect beat and perfect frequency range to aid in getting
people into a light trance thereby increasing their suggestability to
the mesage being portrayed... but I'm not mean like that.
time to look that stuff up! i need my *own* religious following who
will pander to my devious sexual desires (most cult personalities are
sexually deviant) and will listen to my crappy music and drink my
crappy home-made wine. no, no, the kool-aid comes later, ben
affleck.... *maniacal laughter*
*realizes he can spell "maniacal" maniackal!* *insane maniackal
laughter*
Nah, just ask the Scientoligists - even the CIA turns to them for tips
on brainwashing.
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| User: "Jingo." |
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| Title: Re: modern christian music |
26 May 2005 03:38:21 AM |
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Not sure if this was already covered or what this topic bagan as, since I am
too lazy to go to Deja, but I have noted that Christain rock radio plays
songs that all sound alike, and all those sound like Nickle Back. It's
rediculous that the DJ's can't see that when they have to listen to the same
music over and over again all day in this studio.
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| User: "Bonnie B." |
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26 May 2005 04:12:18 AM |
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On Thu, 26 May 2005 08:38:21 GMT, "Jingo." <martian@columbus.rr.com>
wrote:
Not sure if this was already covered or what this topic bagan as, since I am
too lazy to go to Deja, but I have noted that Christain rock radio plays
songs that all sound alike, and all those sound like Nickle Back. It's
rediculous that the DJ's can't see that when they have to listen to the same
music over and over again all day in this studio.
Don't most DJ's just remove the headsets and go for coffee while the
song is on? Or has the high tech revolution mad it possible for the DJ
to pre-record all the chattering, and then the engineers stick the
chatter and announcements in where it belongs?
Ein Prosit der GemŸtlichkeit --
Bonnie *****
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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18 May 2005 12:41:46 PM |
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On 18 May 2005 03:54:47 -0700, "Saul_Sabia" <saul_sabia@yahoo.com>
wrote:
So for some unknown reason i've been turning on the christian music
channel on my radio and just listening to it as i drive. maybe i'm just
getting bored of hearing the same-old-same-old that i always listen to.
Honey, go to the car stereo store, have them install a CD player, and
then RUN to Border's or Tower Music and spend a MINIMUM of $300 on
CD's that will now stay in your car.
anyways, it's some praise channel... and i'm struck at A) how crappy
christian music is, and B) how slow it all is.
As a working professional musician, I have some rules by which I live.
1. I don't set foot into a KKKatholic church for less than $100 per
service.
2. I don't do that bloody fucking awful Christian pageant ***** for
less than $125 per service.
And they pay it, when they realize that I'm underpricing my
colleagues.
let me qualify the first statement. i've heard some pretty decent
christian music lately... switchfoot, for instance. good stuff. but
in-between i have to listen to "shout to the lord" (okay, it's not that
bad) and all kinds of other mid- to slow-tempo whiney "your name is
holy" or "i lift you up on high" or "i lift your holy name on high" or
"you are worthy to receive my worship" or "you're worthy to have me
lift your holy name on high" or whatever.
Yup. I've been saying for years now that God, Inc. should sue the
bastards for copyright infringement. Who in their right mind would
want their name used in the shittiest of music so that an industry of
musical whores can make more money?
it all seems so ... formulaic. it's like take any love song, delete the
sex references (unlike cartman did in south park... LMAO!) and just put
jesus' name in at random. and the big thing is that it's only one or
two songs that _don't_ have jesus' name splattered all over, too!
But wouldn't that create some issues with the lyrics?
the big thing was that it seemed like it was all mid-tempo. dah dah dah
dah dah DA dah dah ... lightly bouncing along at 60-80 bpm... is all
radio-christian music like that? is that the compromise you have to
make to appeal to the biggest slice of christians?
Yup. That's how the industry panders, so they can make $$$.
a little boring for me. i'm beginning to crave a different beat, a
different time signature, a distorted guitar, or a bpm that rises above
60. but i'm still sticking to it. i'm going to bloody understand the
modern christian if it kills me! (and the boredom might!)
You might want to start that drinking habit now, dude.
i found a book at the library that was an encyclopedia of christian
music. it was interesting because just about every single entry either
had a comparison to a fairly well-known "secular" artist ("his voice
could be compared to Bono's, or Elton's...." shyeah right), says that
this artist did for christian music what "xxxx" did for secular music
("DC talk did for christian music what Beastie Boys and Nirvana did for
all other radio!" ummm... so why haven't i heard more than one song
from them?), or bemoaned the apparent injustice in the music industry
("if the music industry had God in it, the Newsboys would've broken all
over mainstream music!" ummmm, sure. still never heard a newsboys
song).
Ah, clever ploy on their part -- pretending to have standards in order
to hype their own crap.
However, they forgot to mention that any such comparison would be
unfavorable to the Christ-stain singer in question.
I mean, we could compare Amy Grant-Chapman-Still to Whitney Houston,
but Miss Amy would come away exposed as the bloody awful vocalist that
she is.
We could also comapre Sandi Patti-Helvering-Peslis to other lyric
sopranos, but that doesn't erase the fact that Ms. Patti-et al still
sings flatter than Diana Ross, which, IMO, is quite a feat, worthy of
mention in that Christ-stain music encyclopedia.)
the funniest part was when the author said "yeah, christian music is
always said to lag behind mainstream music, and it probably always
will." is that because it's all RIPPED OFF?
Ripped off from music that already sucks swill, that's part of it.
hmmm. i forgot what this post was about. damn. oh yeah, modern
christian music. so, does it all sound like crap still, like it did
about five years ago when i listened last?
Because the entire, greedy industry is stuck in a "Hey, if ain't
broke, don't fix it" mode?
i'd like to find a christian, upbeat, uptempo, ska or punk band with
vaguely intelligent lyrics that can use more phrases than "lift his
name on high" or "i love to worship" or even "shout to the lord". maybe
even... gasp.... write a song that might be about something ... *gasp*
... else?
But that would make the music in an identifiable style, and we just
can't have that, now, can we?
what a ramble. anyways, it's been on my mind.
i've been toying around with the idea of writing my own christian
music. it's sick and perverse, i know, especially since i'm not
christian, but it seems so easy... it would probably irk my girl (who
is christian) to know that a non-christian writes better music than a
christian does.... hmmm.... in the spirit of perversity, i just might
do it...
You should. Do you really think that those multiply-married musical
whores Amy Grant-Chapman-Still or Sandi Patti-Helvering-Peslis believe
what they sing? PUH-leeeeze -- they don't have one micron of integrity
between them, musical or Christian.
The Christian music racket is BIG HUGE $$$$$$. Contrary to what their
own hype says, it's not about the Almighty Sky Pixie, it's all about
the Almighty $$$.
The reason Christ-stain music is so bad is because the "composers"
(term used lossely here) of such are pandering to the masses, counting
on the listeners' need for a cathartic/emotional release which they
are missing in their day to day lives. The Christ-stain music industry
knows this and exploits it, publishing and recording the worst it has
to offer, simply because the lyrics are judiciously peppered with such
platitudes as "God this" and "Jesus that" and "we just wanna praise
your whosists."
Forget the shitty orchestrations, damn the lack of singability, and
***** the rules of voicing from chord to chord. If the text says "Oh,
God, we just wanna glorify your thingamabob," then the music *must* be
faaaabulous.
now what's a synonym for "lift your holy name on high" ... hrmm ...
Frank Zappa already used "***** Me, You Ugly *****" and "Why
Does It Hurt When I Pee?" so those two synonyms are out.....
Long Live Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli!!!!
Bonnie *****
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| User: "Rick" |
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28 May 2005 11:09:34 AM |
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Bonnie ***** <321teerts@emases.moc> wrote in message ...
On 18 May 2005 03:54:47 -0700, "Saul_Sabia" <saul_sabia@yahoo.com>
[snip]
We could also comapre Sandi Patti-Helvering-Peslis to other lyric
sopranos, but that doesn't erase the fact that Ms. Patti-et al still
sings flatter than Diana Ross, which, IMO, is quite a feat, worthy of
mention in that Christ-stain music encyclopedia.)
Does she sing as flat as Sinatra or Tebaldi?
- Rick
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| User: "Bonnie B." |
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28 May 2005 04:59:54 PM |
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 11:09:34 -0500, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Bonnie ***** <321teerts@emases.moc> wrote in message ...
We could also comapre Sandi Patti-Helvering-Peslis to other lyric
sopranos, but that doesn't erase the fact that Ms. Patti-et al still
sings flatter than Diana Ross, which, IMO, is quite a feat, worthy of
mention in that Christ-stain music encyclopedia.)
Does she sing as flat as Sinatra or Tebaldi?
Did you mean Tina Sinatra and Anna-Maria Sophia Tebaldi?
Of course, you won't find that funny, so I won't bother with the
emoticon.
Anyway, against my better judgment, here we go:
<snip great discussion of Tebaldi and Sinatra's early days, as it
would be wasted on you>
Although I did enjoy your implied aspersion, once again, that I'm
somehow a snob, this time because I didn't, in this one instance, bash
opera singers and secular pop singers for singing flat, Renata Tebaldi
and Frank Sinatra both have an earlier recorded legacy of good,
in-tune singing, (unlike Sand-eye Patt-eye and Miss Ross) which you
ignore in favor of focusing on their later efforts, for your own
ego-gratifying and failed attempts at condescension.
I'm just so unshocked that you didn't bring up Montserrat Caballe,
too.
HTH, HAND --
Bonnie *****
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| User: "Christian M. Mericle" |
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18 May 2005 04:18:03 PM |
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 10:41:46 -0700, Bonnie *****
<321teerts@emases.moc> wrote:
On 18 May 2005 03:54:47 -0700, "Saul_Sabia" <saul_sabia@yahoo.com>
wrote:
<snip>
the big thing was that it seemed like it was all mid-tempo. dah dah dah
dah dah DA dah dah ... lightly bouncing along at 60-80 bpm... is all
radio-christian music like that? is that the compromise you have to
make to appeal to the biggest slice of christians?
Yup. That's how the industry panders, so they can make $$$.
You do realize that the "Christian music industry" is owned for a
large part by secular companies. So, if anyone's pandering, it's the
world. Not that the church doesn't pander, but if you're trying to
paint all things Christian as pandering you need to turn around and
use that same brush on pretty much everything secular as well.
<snip>
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| User: "Bazooka-Joe" |
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18 May 2005 05:54:37 PM |
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Christian M. Mericle wrote:
You do realize that the "Christian music industry" is owned for a
large part by secular companies. So, if anyone's pandering, it's the
world. Not that the church doesn't pander, but if you're trying to
paint all things Christian as pandering you need to turn around and
use that same brush on pretty much everything secular as well.
Not just owned in large by secular companies, but owned entirely by
secular companies. All the recognized non-independently owned/operated
"major" Christian labels are owned by other labels, which are owned by
other labels, which are owned by one of the big 5 (Sony, Universal,
EMI, Warner, or BMG). These are the five major distributors and unless
you're on an independent (i.e. "mom & pop") label, you're owned by one
of these guys somewhere down the road (or at the very least distributed
by them, in which case you might as well be owned by them). Put it
this way, if you're on the radio, you're definitely under one of these
umbrellas, but that's not what decides what gets put on the radio.
If you don't like what you hear the people to blame are the content
directors (who decide what songs get played) and the production
managers (who cater to a "format" or genre). Once a station has made
the decision to be a representative of a specific format, they're stuck
there. Very hard to change. I've never seen it. There's a few major
commercial Christian radio formats: AC (adult contemporary or soft
rock), Hot AC (slightly more up tempo than AC), CHR (Contemporary Hit
Radio aka "Top 40"), and Rock. The "Rock" format is actually a little
more broad than its secular counterpart, but there are actually not too
many stations of this Christian format than the others, at least not
that I've found. Air1 is pretty good, is commercial free and has
repeaters all over the nation like KLove, as well as an Internet
presence. Effect Radio also has national repeaters and an Internet
presence, which actually plays a much broader listing and some indie
stuff. Christian Pirate Radio is only online. Different cities may
have other options, but where I'm at, that's it. If you're not liking
what you're hearing check out these other stations and see if you can
listen online or if there's a repeater in your area.
But there's lots of upbeat, up tempo Christian music of every genre
from punk to thrash and rap and every different kind of rock,
alternative rock and heavy metal.
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| User: "Saul_Sabia" |
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19 May 2005 09:51:49 PM |
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personally, the music industry panders to anything with a wallet and a
dumb look on their face.
yes, but most everything is owned buy secular companies anyways, the
issue is that people _buy_ (literally, now!) into it so readily!
Saul
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| User: "Saul_Sabia" |
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19 May 2005 09:50:02 PM |
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working musicians are such snobs when it comes to music you hear on the
radio!
i guess i shouldn't *****, though. i make my own wine and beer, and as
a result would never buy the swill from the store. yech!
Saul
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