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"Matt" |
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14 Jan 2008 11:31:09 PM |
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Mohammed and Aisha - The Perfect Love Story |
On Jan 15, 3:31 pm, Kangarooistan <kangarooistan@gmail.com> wrote:
Let us examine the Holy record of the Prophet Mohammed and his darling
bride, Aisha (Peace Be Upon Them Both):
SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 7, Number 88: Narrated 'Ursa: Mohammed (p.b.u.h.)
The Prophet (when He was 53 years old) wrote the marriage contract with
'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her
while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years
(i.e. till his death).
Now, you may be wondering "Why did Mohammed marry Aisha when she was
only 6 and then wait until she was 9 to have sexual intercourse?" - Lets
go to the wisdom of the Shi'a Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini defined the
following limits and consequences for adult sexual activity with
children (roughly translated from Arabic):
"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl
is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from
having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, while other sexual
acts such as foreplay, rubbing, and kissing are allowed. A man having
intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed
a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged.
If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for
her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four
permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_children
Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom
An English translation of this wonderful work can be purchased on
Amazon.com:
Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Philosophic, Social and
Religious with a special introduction by Clive Irving, ISBN number 0-
553-14032-9
http://www.amazon.com/Sayings-Ayatollah-Khomeini-Political-
Philosophical/dp/0553140329/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200375019
&sr=8-9
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| User: "Mavisbeacon" |
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17 Jan 2008 03:06:38 AM |
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"David Moss" <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.21f942111eb8513d98afc7@news.bigpond.com...
In article <Xns9A276CC97E6BCmattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
mattbaylor@gmail.com writes...
[snip]
Are you aware the Catholics have a doctrine of infallibility regarding
the Pope? Once a Pope has made a pronouncement it is considered to be
the inspired word of God and hence the Pope is infallible. This
contrasts with Islam, which has no Pope and considers Mohammed to be the
last Prophet.
You are WRONG! Papal infallability is a very limited scope and is only a
recent (last century or so) development.
One of these infallible Christian Popes was Julias III.
No the doctrine didnt exist then!
[snip - example of an immoral pope]
But that was hundreds of years ago, the Catholic Church wouldn't condone
pedophilia today, would it?
It NEVER DID! just because Nixon was corrupt does not mean US democracy was
in error does it?
Unfortunately the culture of pedophilia still flourishes within the
Catholic Clergy. The Church has systematically covered up pedophilia
within the priesthood and even moved priests around so they can continue
their predatory behaviour when they are exposed.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/05/03/1019441435037.html
NEVER was a Catholic doctrine and has been admitted as an error in policy.
If you still doubt Christianity has a problem with systematic
pedophilia, there is a website called SNAP, the Survivors Networkof
those Abused by Priests.
http://www.snapnetwork.org
I suggest you look at what the Pope recently stated on this issue. The
church has no time or will not harbour child abusers.
Remember what Jesus said about the speck and the plank?
The Catholic Church ( ALL Christian churches) do NOt NOW and never condoned
child abuse! some of their members did indulge in it but never with the
approval of theological doctrine!
I suggest you refrain from fomenting hatred against Islam through
references to the cultural practices of thousands of years ago lest the
cultural practices of Christian leaders today come back and bite you.
Nonsence! The Christianity does not hide the sins of the past nor seek to
excuse them. In fact it shows the church learns and finds ways to change.
But as has been pointed out TODAY some Islamic clerics DO make rules for how
to have sex with children.
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| User: "B J Foster" |
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| Title: Re: Mohammed and Aisha - The Perfect Love Story |
16 Jan 2008 03:28:13 PM |
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Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478defe6$0$22095$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478d1d71$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
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The basis of ignorance and bigotry is to seek out the view that you
want to believe. In fact, bigotry is almost religious itself. In fact,
the religious right - Jewish, Muslim or Christian all look the same.
Show me where modern day respected Jewish or Christian leaders condone and
openly teach pedophelia and I might agree with you.
Openly?
You're fucking dreaming. It is swept under the carpet and the priest is
transferred to another diocese.
I have posted the stats - do some research before you make an even
bigger fool of yourself.
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| User: "Matt" |
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16 Jan 2008 04:40:33 PM |
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B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478e7716$0$22049$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478defe6$0$22095$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478d1d71$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
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The basis of ignorance and bigotry is to seek out the view that you
want to believe. In fact, bigotry is almost religious itself. In
fact, the religious right - Jewish, Muslim or Christian all look the
same.
Show me where modern day respected Jewish or Christian leaders
condone and openly teach pedophelia and I might agree with you.
Openly?
You're fucking dreaming. It is swept under the carpet and the priest
is transferred to another diocese.
I have posted the stats - do some research before you make an even
bigger fool of yourself.
I responded to some stats posted by David, could it be you are confusing
your posts with those of your sock puppet? What stats did you post?
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| User: "B J Foster" |
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17 Jan 2008 05:24:20 AM |
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Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478e7716$0$22049$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478defe6$0$22095$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478d1d71$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
...
The basis of ignorance and bigotry is to seek out the view that you
want to believe. In fact, bigotry is almost religious itself. In
fact, the religious right - Jewish, Muslim or Christian all look the
same.
Show me where modern day respected Jewish or Christian leaders
condone and openly teach pedophelia and I might agree with you.
Openly?
You're fucking dreaming. It is swept under the carpet and the priest
is transferred to another diocese.
I have posted the stats - do some research before you make an even
bigger fool of yourself.
I responded to some stats posted by David, could it be you are confusing
your posts with those of your sock puppet? What stats did you post?
Avoidance noted.
In that response, did you address the reason why you choose to criticise
Islam in *general* and which is over *there* and simulataneously chose
to *ignore* paedophilia in the Catholic Church which is *here*?
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| User: "Matt" |
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17 Jan 2008 02:26:23 PM |
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B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478f3b0e$0$10313$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478e7716$0$22049$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478defe6$0$22095$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478d1d71$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
...
The basis of ignorance and bigotry is to seek out the view that
you want to believe. In fact, bigotry is almost religious itself.
In fact, the religious right - Jewish, Muslim or Christian all
look the same.
Show me where modern day respected Jewish or Christian leaders
condone and openly teach pedophelia and I might agree with you.
Openly?
You're fucking dreaming. It is swept under the carpet and the priest
is transferred to another diocese.
I have posted the stats - do some research before you make an even
bigger fool of yourself.
I responded to some stats posted by David, could it be you are
confusing your posts with those of your sock puppet? What stats did
you post?
Avoidance noted.
In that response, did you address the reason why you choose to
criticise Islam in *general* and which is over *there* and
simulataneously chose to *ignore* paedophilia in the Catholic Church
which is *here*?
Pedophelia is not being ignored here, when pedophiles are exposed, we
have laws that are enforced vigorously that have severe penalties. Most
Muslim countries either do not have such laws, or as in the case of
Pakistan, they don't enforce them.
The difference between Islam and the RCC, is that while the RCC failed
to adequately discipline priests who were guilty, the RCC is not guilty
of teaching and promoting pedophelia among its adherents; on the
contrary, its a sin. With regards to Islam, it is both taught and
promoted.
Khomeini is also reported to have said "It is better for a girl to marry
at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house,
rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young
will have a permanent place in heaven"
http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/islamwhitewash.htm
http://www.homa.org
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| User: "•R. L. Measures" |
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18 Jan 2008 07:10:09 AM |
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In article <Xns9A2888BDD2F5mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>, Matt
<mattbaylor@gmail.com> wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478f3b0e$0$10313$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478e7716$0$22049$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478defe6$0$22095$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478d1d71$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
...
The basis of ignorance and bigotry is to seek out the view that
you want to believe. In fact, bigotry is almost religious itself.
In fact, the religious right - Jewish, Muslim or Christian all
look the same.
Show me where modern day respected Jewish or Christian leaders
condone and openly teach pedophelia and I might agree with you.
Openly?
You're fucking dreaming. It is swept under the carpet and the priest
is transferred to another diocese.
I have posted the stats - do some research before you make an even
bigger fool of yourself.
I responded to some stats posted by David, could it be you are
confusing your posts with those of your sock puppet? What stats did
you post?
Avoidance noted.
In that response, did you address the reason why you choose to
criticise Islam in *general* and which is over *there* and
simulataneously chose to *ignore* paedophilia in the Catholic Church
which is *here*?
Pedophelia is not being ignored here, when pedophiles are exposed, we
have laws that are enforced vigorously that have severe penalties. Most
Muslim countries either do not have such laws, or as in the case of
Pakistan, they don't enforce them.
The difference between Islam and the RCC, is that while the RCC failed
to adequately discipline priests who were guilty, the RCC is not guilty
of teaching and promoting pedophelia among its adherents; ...
• Good point, however, the RCC reportedly teaches priest-candidates that
children simply outgrow sexual abuse and that it is a greater sin to have
sex with a female than to have sex with a male. . .
[UNHOLY ACTS by Paul Wilkes, p.61 The New Yorker Magazine, June 7, 1993]
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "Mavisbeacon" |
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18 Jan 2008 12:40:53 PM |
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".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-1801080510090001@10.0.1.199...
In article <Xns9A2888BDD2F5mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>, Matt
<mattbaylor@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
uk.religion.islam,aus.religion.islam,aus.politics cut
The difference between Islam and the RCC, is that while the RCC failed
to adequately discipline priests who were guilty, the RCC is not guilty
of teaching and promoting pedophelia among its adherents; ...
. Good point, however, the RCC reportedly teaches priest-candidates that
children simply outgrow sexual abuse and that it is a greater sin to have
sex with a female than to have sex with a male. . .
[UNHOLY ACTS by Paul Wilkes, p.61 The New Yorker Magazine, June 7, 1993]
the New Yorker is not a source of Catholic theological or moral teaching!
To what teaching or seminary school is Wilkes referring?
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| User: "•R. L. Measures" |
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18 Jan 2008 05:21:56 PM |
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In article <e6d39$4790f4e4$4f61217c$23027@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-1801080510090001@10.0.1.199...
In article <Xns9A2888BDD2F5mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>, Matt
<mattbaylor@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
uk.religion.islam,aus.religion.islam,aus.politics cut
The difference between Islam and the RCC, is that while the RCC failed
to adequately discipline priests who were guilty, the RCC is not guilty
of teaching and promoting pedophelia among its adherents; ...
. Good point, however, the RCC reportedly teaches priest-candidates that
children simply outgrow sexual abuse and that it is a greater sin to have
sex with a female than to have sex with a male. . .
[UNHOLY ACTS by Paul Wilkes, p.61 The New Yorker Magazine, June 7, 1993]
the New Yorker is not a source of Catholic theological or moral teaching!
** Author Paul Wilkes interviewed Catholic priests for this information.
To what teaching or seminary school is Wilkes referring?
** RCC ones.
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "Mavisbeacon" |
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19 Jan 2008 04:22:33 PM |
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".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-1801081521560001@10.0.1.199...
In article <e6d39$4790f4e4$4f61217c$23027@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-1801080510090001@10.0.1.199...
In article <Xns9A2888BDD2F5mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>, Matt
<mattbaylor@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
uk.religion.islam,aus.religion.islam,aus.politics cut
The difference between Islam and the RCC, is that while the RCC
failed
to adequately discipline priests who were guilty, the RCC is not
guilty
of teaching and promoting pedophelia among its adherents; ...
. Good point, however, the RCC reportedly teaches priest-candidates
that
children simply outgrow sexual abuse and that it is a greater sin to
have
sex with a female than to have sex with a male. . .
[UNHOLY ACTS by Paul Wilkes, p.61 The New Yorker Magazine, June 7,
1993]
the New Yorker is not a source of Catholic theological or moral
teaching!
** Author Paul Wilkes interviewed Catholic priests for this information.
I dont believe you. Which Priests? Citation please? what priest taught or
teaches trainee priests that children outgrow sex abuse and you can brush it
under the carpet? that is AGAINST all catholic teaching on the matter as far
as I know!
To what teaching or seminary school is Wilkes referring?
** RCC ones.
I don't believe you.
What Roman Catholic Seminaries taught this?
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "•R. L. Measures" |
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19 Jan 2008 07:22:57 PM |
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In article <48b5b$4792785f$4f61217c$22922@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-1801081521560001@10.0.1.199...
In article <e6d39$4790f4e4$4f61217c$23027@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-1801080510090001@10.0.1.199...
In article <Xns9A2888BDD2F5mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>, Matt
<mattbaylor@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
uk.religion.islam,aus.religion.islam,aus.politics cut
The difference between Islam and the RCC, is that while the RCC
failed
to adequately discipline priests who were guilty, the RCC is not
guilty
of teaching and promoting pedophelia among its adherents; ...
. Good point, however, the RCC reportedly teaches priest-candidates
that
children simply outgrow sexual abuse and that it is a greater sin to
have
sex with a female than to have sex with a male. . .
[UNHOLY ACTS by Paul Wilkes, p.61 The New Yorker Magazine, June 7,
1993]
the New Yorker is not a source of Catholic theological or moral
teaching!
** Author Paul Wilkes interviewed Catholic priests for this information.
I dont believe you. Which Priests? Citation please? what priest taught or
teaches trainee priests that children outgrow sex abuse and you can brush it
under the carpet? that is AGAINST all catholic teaching on the matter as far
as I know!
** You attended a seminary ?
To what teaching or seminary school is Wilkes referring?
** RCC ones.
I don't believe you.
** Then you would do well to not read Mr. Wilkes' article.
What Roman Catholic Seminaries taught this?
** He does not say. However, it seems logical to me that having sex with
a woman would be more sinful since women have a somewhat greater chance of
becoming pregnant than altar-boys. As to children outgrowing sexual
abuse, I doubt it since there have been too many cases of sodomized
altar-boy suicides.
cheers MB.
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R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "Mavisbeacon" |
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19 Jan 2008 08:17:03 PM |
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".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-1901081722570001@10.0.1.199...
In article <48b5b$4792785f$4f61217c$22922@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-1801081521560001@10.0.1.199...
In article <e6d39$4790f4e4$4f61217c$23027@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-1801080510090001@10.0.1.199...
In article <Xns9A2888BDD2F5mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
Matt
<mattbaylor@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
uk.religion.islam,aus.religion.islam,aus.politics cut
The difference between Islam and the RCC, is that while the RCC
failed
to adequately discipline priests who were guilty, the RCC is not
guilty
of teaching and promoting pedophelia among its adherents; ...
. Good point, however, the RCC reportedly teaches
priest-candidates
that
children simply outgrow sexual abuse and that it is a greater sin
to
have
sex with a female than to have sex with a male. . .
[UNHOLY ACTS by Paul Wilkes, p.61 The New Yorker Magazine, June
7,
1993]
the New Yorker is not a source of Catholic theological or moral
teaching!
** Author Paul Wilkes interviewed Catholic priests for this
information.
I dont believe you. Which Priests? Citation please? what priest taught
or
teaches trainee priests that children outgrow sex abuse and you can
brush it
under the carpet? that is AGAINST all catholic teaching on the matter as
far
as I know!
** You attended a seminary ?
What has that got to do with anything? I don't have to prove anything to
you. Please dont try to shift the burden. YOU claim that was the teaching
YOU provide the evidence!
To what teaching or seminary school is Wilkes referring?
** RCC ones.
I don't believe you.
** Then you would do well to not read Mr. Wilkes' article.
What RCC seminary are you referring to?
What Roman Catholic Seminaries taught this?
** He does not say.
[snip]
So your evidence is hearsay about a non identified seminary?
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| User: "•R. L. Measures" |
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20 Jan 2008 07:20:32 AM |
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In article <b5a55$4792af93$4f61217c$24405@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-1901081722570001@10.0.1.199...
In article <48b5b$4792785f$4f61217c$22922@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-1801081521560001@10.0.1.199...
In article <e6d39$4790f4e4$4f61217c$23027@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-1801080510090001@10.0.1.199...
In article <Xns9A2888BDD2F5mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
Matt
<mattbaylor@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
uk.religion.islam,aus.religion.islam,aus.politics cut
The difference between Islam and the RCC, is that while the RCC
failed
to adequately discipline priests who were guilty, the RCC is not
guilty
of teaching and promoting pedophelia among its adherents; ...
. Good point, however, the RCC reportedly teaches
priest-candidates
that
children simply outgrow sexual abuse and that it is a greater sin
to
have
sex with a female than to have sex with a male. . .
[UNHOLY ACTS by Paul Wilkes, p.61 The New Yorker Magazine, June
7,
1993]
the New Yorker is not a source of Catholic theological or moral
teaching!
** Author Paul Wilkes interviewed Catholic priests for this
information.
I dont believe you. Which Priests? Citation please? what priest taught
or
teaches trainee priests that children outgrow sex abuse and you can
brush it
under the carpet? that is AGAINST all catholic teaching on the matter as
far
as I know!
** You attended a seminary ?
What has that got to do with anything? I don't have to prove anything to
you. Please dont try to shift the burden. YOU claim that was the teaching
YOU provide the evidence!
** Wilkes did.
To what teaching or seminary school is Wilkes referring?
** RCC ones.
I don't believe you.
** Then you would do well to not read Mr. Wilkes' article.
What RCC seminary are you referring to?
** I have no idea which seminaries were attended by the priests that
Wilkes interviewed. Here's an article on a seminary that I can see from
my back yard:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/dec/05122203.html
What Roman Catholic Seminaries taught this?
** He does not say.
[snip]
So your evidence is hearsay about a non identified seminary?
** correct. That priests to be are taught such things is hardly
implausible in light of the $2,000,000,000 settlement the one true church
eagerly paid to altar-boys in order to stop their cases from going to
trial and having their testimonies appear in newspapers. .
cheers Mavis.
ps are you a female?
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "Mavisbeacon" |
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20 Jan 2008 11:04:12 AM |
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".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-2001080520320001@10.0.1.199...
In article <b5a55$4792af93$4f61217c$24405@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
[snip]
What has that got to do with anything? I don't have to prove anything to
you. Please dont try to shift the burden. YOU claim that was the
teaching
YOU provide the evidence!
** Wilkes did.
where? all you do is post a reference to the New Yorker. where in that does
wilkes provide EVIDENCE as you claim?
To what teaching or seminary school is Wilkes referring?
** RCC ones.
I don't believe you.
** Then you would do well to not read Mr. Wilkes' article.
What RCC seminary are you referring to?
** I have no idea which seminaries were attended by the priests that
Wilkes interviewed. Here's an article on a seminary that I can see from
my back yard:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/dec/05122203.htm
So you have no idea that a hearsay opinion about a teaching practice is
ture? If a seminary is supposed to have taught this then tell us WHICH
school and let us go and ask them or prople who attended them. I just do not
accept you supposition that the Catholic church EVER taught child abuse by
clergy was acceptable behaviour!
What Roman Catholic Seminaries taught this?
** He does not say.
[snip]
So your evidence is hearsay about a non identified seminary?
** correct. That priests to be are taught such things is hardly
implausible in light of the $2,000,000,000 settlement
the fact that child abuse by clergy happened is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT issue
as to whether the Catholic church ever taught it to prospective priests as
something which was acceptable practice. So your example of compensation is
NOT proof in any way for that contention.
the one true church
eagerly paid to altar-boys in order to stop their cases from going to
trial and having their testimonies appear in newspapers. .
Not necessarily. In Ireland for example "class action" law suits do not
exist in law so they had to either find a quicker way or go through each
offence - which would take decades!
cheers Mavis.
ps are you a female?
Not relevant to the discussion.
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20 Jan 2008 05:03:31 PM |
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In article <519fe$47938b80$4f61217c$17931@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-2001080520320001@10.0.1.199...
In article <b5a55$4792af93$4f61217c$24405@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
[snip]
What has that got to do with anything? I don't have to prove anything to
you. Please dont try to shift the burden. YOU claim that was the
teaching
YOU provide the evidence!
** Wilkes did.
where? all you do is post a reference to the New Yorker. where in that does
wilkes provide EVIDENCE as you claim?
To what teaching or seminary school is Wilkes referring?
** RCC ones.
I don't believe you.
** Then you would do well to not read Mr. Wilkes' article.
What RCC seminary are you referring to?
** I have no idea which seminaries were attended by the priests that
Wilkes interviewed. Here's an article on a seminary that I can see from
my back yard:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/dec/05122203.htm
So you have no idea that a hearsay opinion about a teaching practice is
ture? If a seminary is supposed to have taught this then tell us WHICH
school and let us go and ask them or prople who attended them. I just do not
accept you supposition that the Catholic church EVER taught child abuse by
clergy was acceptable behaviour!
** Sexual abuse of children is not said to be acceptable behaviour, it
supposedly causes no lasting damage into adulthood because children
allegedly outgrow it. .
What Roman Catholic Seminaries taught this?
** He does not say.
[snip]
So your evidence is hearsay about a non identified seminary?
** correct. That priests to be are taught such things is hardly
implausible in light of the $2,000,000,000 settlement
the fact that child abuse by clergy happened is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT issue
as to whether the Catholic church ever taught it to prospective priests as
something which was acceptable practice. So your example of compensation is
NOT proof in any way for that contention.
** I did not say it was acceptable.
the one true church
eagerly paid to altar-boys in order to stop their cases from going to
trial and having their testimonies appear in newspapers. .
Not necessarily. In Ireland for example "class action" law suits do not
exist in law so they had to either find a quicker way or go through each
offence - which would take decades!
cheers Mavis.
ps are you a female?
Not relevant to the discussion.
** Mavis Beacon is a blazingly fast female typist, but your syntax is
more like that of a male.
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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21 Jan 2008 05:04:21 AM |
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".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-2001081503310001@10.0.1.199...
In article <519fe$47938b80$4f61217c$17931@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
[snip]
So you have no idea that a hearsay opinion about a teaching practice is
ture? If a seminary is supposed to have taught this then tell us WHICH
school and let us go and ask them or prople who attended them. I just do
not
accept you supposition that the Catholic church EVER taught child abuse
by
clergy was acceptable behaviour!
** Sexual abuse of children is not said to be acceptable behaviour, it
supposedly causes no lasting damage into adulthood because children
allegedly outgrow it. .
Saying victims recover from abuse is DIFFERENT to justifyoing or supporting
the abuser in their actions!
What Roman Catholic Seminaries taught this?
** He does not say.
[snip]
So your evidence is hearsay about a non identified seminary?
** correct. That priests to be are taught such things is hardly
implausible in light of the $2,000,000,000 settlement
the fact that child abuse by clergy happened is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT
issue
as to whether the Catholic church ever taught it to prospective priests
as
something which was acceptable practice. So your example of compensation
is
NOT proof in any way for that contention.
** I did not say it was acceptable.
I realise that now but I thing it is important to clarify that there is NO
EVIDNCE ANYWHERE that the Catholic church ever condoned child abuse.
especially in the way being outlined above by some Islamic clerics and
scriptures. But I would like you to admit that you agree with me on this so
no confusion can arise. do you agree with me?
the one true church
eagerly paid to altar-boys in order to stop their cases from going to
trial and having their testimonies appear in newspapers. .
Not necessarily. In Ireland for example "class action" law suits do not
exist in law so they had to either find a quicker way or go through each
offence - which would take decades!
cheers Mavis.
ps are you a female?
Not relevant to the discussion.
** Mavis Beacon is a blazingly fast female typist, but your syntax is
more like that of a male.
The Mavis Beacon typinf tutor to which you refer was an invention. She didnt
exist!
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21 Jan 2008 10:04:35 AM |
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In article <5cb56$479480d8$4f61217c$22952@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
".R. L. Measures" <2@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-2001081503310001@10.0.1.199...
In article <519fe$47938b80$4f61217c$17931@news.upc.ie>, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
[snip]
So you have no idea that a hearsay opinion about a teaching practice is
ture? If a seminary is supposed to have taught this then tell us WHICH
school and let us go and ask them or prople who attended them. I just do
not
accept you supposition that the Catholic church EVER taught child abuse
by
clergy was acceptable behaviour!
** Sexual abuse of children is not said to be acceptable behaviour, it
supposedly causes no lasting damage into adulthood because children
allegedly outgrow it. .
Saying victims recover from abuse is DIFFERENT to justifyoing or supporting
the abuser in their actions!
** Correct. It's not a red light. it's a yellow one.
What Roman Catholic Seminaries taught this?
** He does not say.
[snip]
So your evidence is hearsay about a non identified seminary?
** correct. That priests to be are taught such things is hardly
implausible in light of the $2,000,000,000 settlement
the fact that child abuse by clergy happened is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT
issue
as to whether the Catholic church ever taught it to prospective priests
as
something which was acceptable practice. So your example of compensation
is
NOT proof in any way for that contention.
** I did not say it was acceptable.
I realise that now but I thing it is important to clarify that there is NO
EVIDNCE ANYWHERE that the Catholic church ever condoned child abuse.
** Correct. Nor did they condemn it.
especially in the way being outlined above by some Islamic clerics and
scriptures. But I would like you to admit that you agree with me on this so
no confusion can arise. do you agree with me?
** Of course, the problem is that the one true church taught priest
candidates that guys plugging into kids' anuses caused no lasting damage.
This is something that I do not agree with.
the one true church
eagerly paid to altar-boys in order to stop their cases from going to
trial and having their testimonies appear in newspapers. .
Not necessarily. In Ireland for example "class action" law suits do not
exist in law so they had to either find a quicker way or go through each
offence - which would take decades!
cheers Mavis.
ps are you a female?
Not relevant to the discussion.
** Mavis Beacon is a blazingly fast female typist, but your syntax is
more like that of a male.
The Mavis Beacon typing tutor to which you refer was an invention. She didn't
exist!
** - but she had a nice a__. Alas
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17 Jan 2008 03:22:32 PM |
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Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478f3b0e$0$10313$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478e7716$0$22049$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
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The basis of ignorance and bigotry is to seek out the view that
you want to believe. In fact, bigotry is almost religious itself.
In fact, the religious right - Jewish, Muslim or Christian all
look the same.
Show me where modern day respected Jewish or Christian leaders
condone and openly teach pedophelia and I might agree with you.
Openly?
You're fucking dreaming. It is swept under the carpet and the priest
is transferred to another diocese.
I have posted the stats - do some research before you make an even
bigger fool of yourself.
I responded to some stats posted by David, could it be you are
confusing your posts with those of your sock puppet? What stats did
you post?
Avoidance noted.
In that response, did you address the reason why you choose to
criticise Islam in *general* and which is over *there* and
simulataneously chose to *ignore* paedophilia in the Catholic Church
which is *here*?
Pedophelia is not being ignored here, when pedophiles are exposed, we
have laws that are enforced vigorously that have severe penalties. Most
Muslim countries either do not have such laws, or as in the case of
Pakistan, they don't enforce them.
The difference between Islam and the RCC, is that while the RCC failed
to adequately discipline priests who were guilty, the RCC is not guilty
of teaching and promoting pedophelia among its adherents; on the
contrary, its a sin. With regards to Islam, it is both taught and
promoted.
Cold comfort to the THOUSANDS of children who are attacked each year,
and continue to be attacked by the most trusted member of the community.
Khomeini is also reported to have said "It is better for a girl to marry
at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house,
rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young
will have a permanent place in heaven"
http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/islamwhitewash.htm
http://www.homa.org
Why are you focused on a problem in Iran or Afghanistan when we have an
equivalent or worse problem *here*?
I have no problem with you highlighting the farcical grand-whatever
named Khomeini, but if you don't also highlight the serious problem
*here* then you are a bigot and a hypocrite.
If you were truly interested in helping kids you would point out the
problem *whereever* it occurs. But you don't - you zero in on one
fuckwit in Iran and use that to make a general claim about Islam - which
shows that you are just using the subject of 'legalised paedophilia' for
your own narrow and bigoted political objectives.
Misusing a social problem in this way can only detract or divert
attention from *solving* the problem, so in fact you are contributing to
the problem
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17 Jan 2008 05:00:51 PM |
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B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
news:478fc745$0$26343$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478f3b0e$0$10313$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:478e7716$0$22049$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
...
The basis of ignorance and bigotry is to seek out the view that
you want to believe. In fact, bigotry is almost religious
itself. In fact, the religious right - Jewish, Muslim or
Christian all look the same.
Show me where modern day respected Jewish or Christian leaders
condone and openly teach pedophelia and I might agree with you.
Openly?
You're fucking dreaming. It is swept under the carpet and the
priest is transferred to another diocese.
I have posted the stats - do some research before you make an even
bigger fool of yourself.
I responded to some stats posted by David, could it be you are
confusing your posts with those of your sock puppet? What stats did
you post?
Avoidance noted.
In that response, did you address the reason why you choose to
criticise Islam in *general* and which is over *there* and
simulataneously chose to *ignore* paedophilia in the Catholic Church
which is *here*?
Pedophelia is not being ignored here, when pedophiles are exposed, we
have laws that are enforced vigorously that have severe penalties.
Most Muslim countries either do not have such laws, or as in the case
of Pakistan, they don't enforce them.
The difference between Islam and the RCC, is that while the RCC
failed to adequately discipline priests who were guilty, the RCC is
not guilty of teaching and promoting pedophelia among its adherents;
on the contrary, its a sin. With regards to Islam, it is both taught
and promoted.
Cold comfort to the THOUSANDS of children who are attacked each year,
and continue to be attacked by the most trusted member of the
community.
Khomeini is also reported to have said "It is better for a girl to
marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her
husband's house, rather than her father's home. Any father marrying
his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven"
http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/islamwhitewash.htm
http://www.homa.org
Why are you focused on a problem in Iran or Afghanistan when we have
an equivalent or worse problem *here*?
I have no problem with you highlighting the farcical grand-whatever
named Khomeini, but if you don't also highlight the serious problem
*here* then you are a bigot and a hypocrite.
If you were truly interested in helping kids you would point out the
problem *whereever* it occurs. But you don't - you zero in on one
fuckwit in Iran and use that to make a general claim about Islam -
which shows that you are just using the subject of 'legalised
paedophilia' for your own narrow and bigoted political objectives.
Misusing a social problem in this way can only detract or divert
attention from *solving* the problem, so in fact you are contributing
to the problem
I have debated Catholics extensivly, although as a liberal, you'd
probably find my views on Catholicism just as repugnant as my views on
Islam.
Back during the dark ages, the RCC instituted a requirement of celibacy
on priests to keep heirs from demanding their inheritance from priests,
to keep all the wealth within the RCC and to isure that none of it ever
left.
In the modern era, with homosexuals comming out of the closet, the RCC
has ruled that a homosexual can be a member of the chruch providing he
(or she), remain celibate.
So... having the same requirement of celabcy for both priests AND
homosexuals, naturally led to homosexual members of the RCC deciding to
become priests. (ie if I gota be celibate anyway, I might as well join
the priesthood).
The fact that there is an indordinant number of homosexual priests is
not in disupte. Where the real disupte comes in is whether or not
homosexual males are more prone to sexually molest underange children
than are hetrosexual males. Peer reviewed studies have shown that
homosexuals, per capita, are at least 5 times as likely to be pedophiles
as opposed to hetrosexual males. Other studies have shown that about 25%
of male homosexuals have admitted to having sex with underage boys,
(this came out during the studies that were done on AIDS patients). No,
lets throw a bunch of homosexual men into a situation where they are
forbidden to have sex with other men but they have regular access to
young boys... and there ya go. (My opinion on this is quite correct, but
not politically correct).
My biggest issue with the RCC is the celebacy rule, a rule that directly
contradicts the New Testament, in that according to the writings of the
Apostle Paul, leaders in the church were to be REQUIRED to be "husbands
of one wife". They have decided to ignore the instruction, and now they
are suffering the consequences.
Needless to say. thats a whole different issue and good topic for a
whole different debate and would not belong in a debate about Islam and
pedophelia IMHO.
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17 Jan 2008 09:32:08 PM |
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In article <Xns9A28A2EEBD290mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
mattbaylor@gmail.com writes...
I have debated Catholics extensivly, although as a liberal, you'd
probably find my views on Catholicism just as repugnant as my views on
Islam.
Yet strangely you don't seem to be spamming articles about Catholics
doing bad things across Usenet.
--
DM
personal opinion only
The Australian Politics Resource
http://politics.sunnybar.dynip.com
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18 Jan 2008 12:29:24 AM |
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David Moss <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in
news:MPG.21fabaab8de00a1398afe2@news.bigpond.com:
In article <Xns9A28A2EEBD290mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
mattbaylor@gmail.com writes...
I have debated Catholics extensivly, although as a liberal, you'd
probably find my views on Catholicism just as repugnant as my views on
Islam.
Yet strangely you don't seem to be spamming articles about Catholics
doing bad things across Usenet.
Oh I have, under a different alias :) Although I don't call it "spam", I
equate spam with advertising, alot of what I do is better defined as
"trolling"
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18 Jan 2008 04:01:11 PM |
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Matt wrote:
David Moss <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in
news:MPG.21fabaab8de00a1398afe2@news.bigpond.com:
In article <Xns9A28A2EEBD290mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
mattbaylor@gmail.com writes...
I have debated Catholics extensivly, although as a liberal, you'd
probably find my views on Catholicism just as repugnant as my views on
Islam.
Yet strangely you don't seem to be spamming articles about Catholics
doing bad things across Usenet.
Oh I have, under a different alias :) Although I don't call it "spam", I
equate spam with advertising, alot of what I do is better defined as
"trolling"
Liar
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18 Jan 2008 12:27:25 PM |
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uk.religion.islam,aus.religion.islam cut
"David Moss" <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.21fabaab8de00a1398afe2@news.bigpond.com...
In article <Xns9A28A2EEBD290mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
mattbaylor@gmail.com writes...
I have debated Catholics extensivly, although as a liberal, you'd
probably find my views on Catholicism just as repugnant as my views on
Islam.
Yet strangely you don't seem to be spamming articles about Catholics
doing bad things across Usenet.
He isn't posting about the lack of funding for lukemia research in theUK
which if supported woyuld mean nine out of ten children could remit instead
of one out of ten. Nor is he posting about Jews in Russian cities or
Romanian orphanages or the price of cheese in Latvia. What have these
entirely seperate subjects to do with sticking with the topic in hand?
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18 Jan 2008 06:30:04 PM |
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In article <c4701$4790f4e3$4f61217c$23027@news.upc.ie>,
Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme writes...
uk.religion.islam,aus.religion.islam cut
"David Moss" <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.21fabaab8de00a1398afe2@news.bigpond.com...
In article <Xns9A28A2EEBD290mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
mattbaylor@gmail.com writes...
I have debated Catholics extensivly, although as a liberal, you'd
probably find my views on Catholicism just as repugnant as my views on
Islam.
Yet strangely you don't seem to be spamming articles about Catholics
doing bad things across Usenet.
He isn't posting about the lack of funding for lukemia research in theUK
which if supported woyuld mean nine out of ten children could remit instead
of one out of ten. Nor is he posting about Jews in Russian cities or
Romanian orphanages or the price of cheese in Latvia. What have these
entirely seperate subjects to do with sticking with the topic in hand?
What he is doing is fomenting hatred against Islam while pretending to
be concerned about child abuse.
If he was concerned about child abuse it wouldn't matter which religion
was perpetrating the abuse.
Since he is concentrating solely on Islam we can deduce he is not
concerned about child abuse, he is only using it as a tool to foment
hatred.
--
DM
personal opinion only
The Australian Politics Resource
http://politics.sunnybar.dynip.com
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18 Jan 2008 08:10:14 PM |
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David Moss <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in
news:MPG.21fbe1856f3ed34b98afef@news.bigpond.com:
In article <c4701$4790f4e3$4f61217c$23027@news.upc.ie>,
Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme writes...
uk.religion.islam,aus.religion.islam cut
"David Moss" <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.21fabaab8de00a1398afe2@news.bigpond.com...
In article <Xns9A28A2EEBD290mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
mattbaylor@gmail.com writes...
I have debated Catholics extensivly, although as a liberal, you'd
probably find my views on Catholicism just as repugnant as my
views on Islam.
Yet strangely you don't seem to be spamming articles about
Catholics doing bad things across Usenet.
He isn't posting about the lack of funding for lukemia research in
theUK which if supported woyuld mean nine out of ten children could
remit instead of one out of ten. Nor is he posting about Jews in
Russian cities or Romanian orphanages or the price of cheese in
Latvia. What have these entirely seperate subjects to do with
sticking with the topic in hand?
What he is doing is fomenting hatred against Islam while pretending to
be concerned about child abuse.
If he was concerned about child abuse it wouldn't matter which
religion was perpetrating the abuse.
Since he is concentrating solely on Islam we can deduce he is not
concerned about child abuse, he is only using it as a tool to foment
hatred.
I just posted a similar thread on the RCC, but I don't see much
interest...
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19 Jan 2008 01:58:23 AM |
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Matt wrote:
David Moss <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in
news:MPG.21fbe1856f3ed34b98afef@news.bigpond.com:
In article <c4701$4790f4e3$4f61217c$23027@news.upc.ie>,
Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme writes...
uk.religion.islam,aus.religion.islam cut
"David Moss" <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.21fabaab8de00a1398afe2@news.bigpond.com...
In article <Xns9A28A2EEBD290mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
mattbaylor@gmail.com writes...
I have debated Catholics extensivly, although as a liberal, you'd
probably find my views on Catholicism just as repugnant as my
views on Islam.
Yet strangely you don't seem to be spamming articles about
Catholics doing bad things across Usenet.
He isn't posting about the lack of funding for lukemia research in
theUK which if supported woyuld mean nine out of ten children could
remit instead of one out of ten. Nor is he posting about Jews in
Russian cities or Romanian orphanages or the price of cheese in
Latvia. What have these entirely seperate subjects to do with
sticking with the topic in hand?
What he is doing is fomenting hatred against Islam while pretending to
be concerned about child abuse.
If he was concerned about child abuse it wouldn't matter which
religion was perpetrating the abuse.
Since he is concentrating solely on Islam we can deduce he is not
concerned about child abuse, he is only using it as a tool to foment
hatred.
I just posted a similar thread on the RCC, but I don't see much
interest...
This we can conclude that no-one on the Islamic side of the fence is
interested in being a bigot and a troll
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19 Jan 2008 04:43:22 AM |
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B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com.au> wrote in news:4791add2$0$20842
$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
David Moss <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in
news:MPG.21fbe1856f3ed34b98afef@news.bigpond.com:
In article <c4701$4790f4e3$4f61217c$23027@news.upc.ie>,
Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme writes...
uk.religion.islam,aus.religion.islam cut
"David Moss" <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.21fabaab8de00a1398afe2@news.bigpond.com...
In article <Xns9A28A2EEBD290mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
mattbaylor@gmail.com writes...
I have debated Catholics extensivly, although as a liberal, you'd
probably find my views on Catholicism just as repugnant as my
views on Islam.
Yet strangely you don't seem to be spamming articles about
Catholics doing bad things across Usenet.
He isn't posting about the lack of funding for lukemia research in
theUK which if supported woyuld mean nine out of ten children could
remit instead of one out of ten. Nor is he posting about Jews in
Russian cities or Romanian orphanages or the price of cheese in
Latvia. What have these entirely seperate subjects to do with
sticking with the topic in hand?
What he is doing is fomenting hatred against Islam while pretending
to
be concerned about child abuse.
If he was concerned about child abuse it wouldn't matter which
religion was perpetrating the abuse.
Since he is concentrating solely on Islam we can deduce he is not
concerned about child abuse, he is only using it as a tool to foment
hatred.
I just posted a similar thread on the RCC, but I don't see much
interest...
This we can conclude that no-one on the Islamic side of the fence is
interested in being a bigot and a troll
Oh yes, we all know how tollerant and civilized Muslims are :P
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| User: "B J Foster" |
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| Title: Re: Mohammed and Aisha - The Perfect Love Story |
19 Jan 2008 05:44:39 AM |
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Matt wrote:
B J Foster <bjfoster@yahoo.com.au> wrote in news:4791add2$0$20842
$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
Matt wrote:
David Moss <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in
news:MPG.21fbe1856f3ed34b98afef@news.bigpond.com:
In article <c4701$4790f4e3$4f61217c$23027@news.upc.ie>,
Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme writes...
uk.religion.islam,aus.religion.islam cut
"David Moss" <q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.21fabaab8de00a1398afe2@news.bigpond.com...
In article <Xns9A28A2EEBD290mattbaylorgmailcom@216.196.97.131>,
mattbaylor@gmail.com writes...
I have debated Catholics extensivly, although as a liberal, you'd
probably find my views on Catholicism just as repugnant as my
views on Islam.
Yet strangely you don't seem to be spamming articles about
Catholics doing bad things across Usenet.
He isn't posting about the lack of funding for lukemia research in
theUK which if supported woyuld mean nine out of ten children could
remit instead of one out of ten. Nor is he posting about Jews in
Russian cities or Romanian orphanages or the price of cheese in
Latvia. What have these entirely seperate subjects to do with
sticking with the topic in hand?
What he is doing is fomenting hatred against Islam while pretending
to
be concerned about child abuse.
If he was concerned about child abuse it wouldn't matter which
religion was perpetrating the abuse.
Since he is concentrating solely on Islam we can deduce he is not
concerned about child abuse, he is only using it as a tool to foment
hatred.
I just posted a similar thread on the RCC, but I don't see much
interest...
This we can conclude that no-one on the Islamic side of the fence is
interested in being a bigot and a troll
Oh yes, we all know how tollerant and civilized Muslims are :P
Khomeini is not representative of 1.8 billion Muslims just as you are
not representative of anyone or anything.
Interesting use of the word 'tolerant'
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| User: "Mavisbeacon" |
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| Title: Re: Mohammed and Aisha - The Perfect Love Story |
19 Jan 2008 08:00:13 AM |
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"B J Foster" <bjfoster@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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[snip]
I just posted a similar thread on the RCC, but I don't see much
interest...
This we can conclude that no-one on the Islamic side of the fence is
interested in being a bigot and a troll
Oh yes, we all know how tollerant and civilized Muslims are :P
Khomeini is not representative of 1.8 billion Muslims just as you are
not representative of anyone or anything.
He represents tens if not hundreds of Millions. Similar to say the Church of
England.DOnt try to present him as a fringe element.
And the point isn't whether anyone posting represents others. The point is
that they can SUPPORT their claims based on EVIDENCE and not just demand
their OPINION is to be accepted.
Interesting use of the word 'tolerant'
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| User: "David Moss" |
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| Title: Re: Mohammed and Aisha - The Perfect Love Story |
19 Jan 2008 08:57:35 AM |
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In article <a9c8$479207af$4f61217c$21109@news.upc.ie>,
Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme writes...
He represents tens if not hundreds of Millions. Similar to say the Church of
England.DOnt try to present him as a fringe element.
Interesting you should mention the Church of England.
The Church has some rather conservative views, but on election day few
people actually take them into account at the ballot box.
--
DM
personal opinion only
The Australian Politics Resource
http://politics.sunnybar.dynip.com
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| User: "B J Foster" |
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| Title: Re: Mohammed and Aisha - The Perfect Love Story |
19 Jan 2008 04:21:50 PM |
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Mavisbeacon wrote:
"B J Foster" <bjfoster@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:4791e2e0$0$30016$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
[snip]
I just posted a similar thread on the RCC, but I don't see much
interest...
This we can conclude that no-one on the Islamic side of the fence is
interested in being a bigot and a troll
Oh yes, we all know how tollerant and civilized Muslims are :P
Khomeini is not representative of 1.8 billion Muslims just as you are
not representative of anyone or anything.
He represents tens if not hundreds of Millions.
When was the election? Or was he appointed by God?
Similar to say the Church of
England.DOnt try to present him as a fringe element.
Did you conduct an opinion poll?
And the point isn't whether anyone posting represents others. The point is
that they can SUPPORT their claims based on EVIDENCE and not just demand
their OPINION is to be accepted.
Well I haven't interviewed any mums of 1-9 year old girls about whether
they agree with Khomeini.
Interesting use of the word 'tolerant'
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