Religions > Atheism > Mohler: 80-90% of Down syndrome babies killed in push for 'human perfection'
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Mohler: 80-90% of Down syndrome babies killed in push for 'human perfection' |
Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that can
identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for extinction?
The proof is there; parents are seeking perfection. If and when that
happens, you can thank society's liberals.
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22533
Mohler: 80-90% of Down syndrome babies killed in push for 'human perfection'
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--Recent statistics show that as many as 80-90 percent
of all babies found to have Down syndrome through pre-term testing are
aborted, an alarming reality demonstrating contemporary culture's fixation
with human perfection and consumer choice, R. Albert Mohler Jr. said Jan. 22
on the "Coral Ridge Hour" television program.
The very fact that such pre-term testing is offered to expectant parents
under the guise of "making informed choices" insinuates that they really
only have only one choice to make: whether or not to abort, said Mohler,
president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky.
The Coral Ridge Hour is a syndicated weekly program featuring the teaching
and cultural analysis of D. James Kennedy, pastor of Coral Ridge
Presbyterian Church (PCA) in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
"Parents are being offered these genetic tests in order that they can 'make
the right decision,'" Mohler said. "What decision is there to make? The only
decision that is implied is a decision to abort. Once we are confronted with
a test that will identify whether an unborn baby is carrying the mark of the
Down syndrome, there is no treatment. The only choice is whether or not to
abort."
The number of abortions performed on children with Down syndrome is
especially disconcerting because of the consumerist mentality that drives
the decisions, Mohler said. Parents are now choosing life or death for their
unborn children, he said, based on the perceived "quality" of the child
developing in the womb.
"We really have entered that brave new world of medicine where all things
apparently are becoming possible," Mohler said. "Right now these parents are
having tests done on their unborn children and even in the embryonic stage
in order to determine whether these kids meet their expectations."
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06 Feb 2006 12:24:57 AM |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:59:28 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that can
identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for extinction?
The proof is there; parents are seeking perfection. If and when that
happens, you can thank society's liberals.
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22533
Not if Bush and his cohorts have their way and manage to get the
Supreme Court to overturn the abortion ruling. Just imagine RRR Bush
overturning abortions only to allow gay children being born. What a
dilemma.
Mohler: 80-90% of Down syndrome babies killed in push for 'human perfection'
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--Recent statistics show that as many as 80-90 percent
of all babies found to have Down syndrome through pre-term testing are
aborted, an alarming reality demonstrating contemporary culture's fixation
with human perfection and consumer choice, R. Albert Mohler Jr. said Jan. 22
on the "Coral Ridge Hour" television program.
The very fact that such pre-term testing is offered to expectant parents
under the guise of "making informed choices" insinuates that they really
only have only one choice to make: whether or not to abort, said Mohler,
president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky.
The Coral Ridge Hour is a syndicated weekly program featuring the teaching
and cultural analysis of D. James Kennedy, pastor of Coral Ridge
Presbyterian Church (PCA) in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
"Parents are being offered these genetic tests in order that they can 'make
the right decision,'" Mohler said. "What decision is there to make? The only
decision that is implied is a decision to abort. Once we are confronted with
a test that will identify whether an unborn baby is carrying the mark of the
Down syndrome, there is no treatment. The only choice is whether or not to
abort."
The number of abortions performed on children with Down syndrome is
especially disconcerting because of the consumerist mentality that drives
the decisions, Mohler said. Parents are now choosing life or death for their
unborn children, he said, based on the perceived "quality" of the child
developing in the womb.
"We really have entered that brave new world of medicine where all things
apparently are becoming possible," Mohler said. "Right now these parents are
having tests done on their unborn children and even in the embryonic stage
in order to determine whether these kids meet their expectations."
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handicapped."~Elbert Hubbard to quote a relative of mine.
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06 Feb 2006 09:53:30 AM |
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In article <9oqdu1t6jae64bhvh97b6f6sniggk6snt8@4ax.com>, Bernard Hubbard
<bernard1958@west.net.au> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:59:28 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that can
identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for extinction?
The proof is there; parents are seeking perfection. If and when that
happens, you can thank society's liberals.
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22533
Not if Bush and his cohorts have their way and manage to get the
Supreme Court to overturn the abortion ruling. Just imagine RRR Bush
overturning abortions only to allow gay children being born. What a
dilemma.
guffaw. Good one!
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| User: "MarkA" |
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31 Jan 2006 06:51:49 AM |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:59:28 -0500, J Young wrote:
Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that can
identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for
extinction? The proof is there; parents are seeking perfection. If and
when that happens, you can thank society's liberals.
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22533
Mohler: 80-90% of Down syndrome babies killed in push for 'human
perfection'
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--Recent statistics show that as many as 80-90
percent
of all babies found to have Down syndrome through pre-term testing are
aborted, an alarming reality demonstrating contemporary culture's fixation
with human perfection and consumer choice, R. Albert Mohler Jr. said Jan.
22 on the "Coral Ridge Hour" television program.
Sounds to me like an appropriate use of amniocentesis and elective
termination of pregnancy. If you are not willing to have an abortion, why
bother getting an amnio? What I wonder is why 10-20% of babies known to
have Down's syndrome are NOT aborted?
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MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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31 Jan 2006 09:30:42 AM |
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"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.01.31.12.51.30.926310@stopspam.net...
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:59:28 -0500, J Young wrote:
snip
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--Recent statistics show that as many as 80-90
percent
of all babies found to have Down syndrome through pre-term testing are
aborted, an alarming reality demonstrating contemporary culture's
fixation
with human perfection and consumer choice, R. Albert Mohler Jr. said Jan.
22 on the "Coral Ridge Hour" television program.
Sounds to me like an appropriate use of amniocentesis and elective
termination of pregnancy. If you are not willing to have an abortion, why
bother getting an amnio? What I wonder is why 10-20% of babies known to
have Down's syndrome are NOT aborted?
Some people want to have them regardless - That's their personal choice. My
MIL refused to get an amnio when she was pregnant with my youngest SIL (now
22) because she was going to have the child whether it has disabilities or
not. I, on the otherhand, specifically has an amino because my husband and
I had already discussed what steps would be taken if the fetus proved to
have Downs Syndrome or some other major disability.
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Robyn
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| User: "Science Teacher" |
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13 Feb 2006 04:53:39 PM |
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MarkA wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:59:28 -0500, J Young wrote:
Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that can
identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for
extinction? The proof is there; parents are seeking perfection. If and
when that happens, you can thank society's liberals.
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22533
Mohler: 80-90% of Down syndrome babies killed in push for 'human
perfection'
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--Recent statistics show that as many as 80-90
percent
of all babies found to have Down syndrome through pre-term testing are
aborted, an alarming reality demonstrating contemporary culture's fixation
with human perfection and consumer choice, R. Albert Mohler Jr. said Jan.
22 on the "Coral Ridge Hour" television program.
Sounds to me like an appropriate use of amniocentesis and elective
termination of pregnancy. If you are not willing to have an abortion, why
bother getting an amnio? What I wonder is why 10-20% of babies known to
have Down's syndrome are NOT aborted?
I've come to believe that most, though not all, parents of disabled
children lash out at those who choose to abort a fetus with Down
Syndrome because they regret not having aborted their own children.
Misery loves company.
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| User: "R.L.Measures" |
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13 Feb 2006 07:55:29 PM |
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In article <43F10DB5.6F4E@learning.mind>, wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:59:28 -0500, J Young wrote:
Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that can
identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for
extinction? The proof is there; parents are seeking perfection. If and
when that happens, you can thank society's liberals.
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22533
Mohler: 80-90% of Down syndrome babies killed in push for 'human
perfection'
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--Recent statistics show that as many as 80-90
percent
of all babies found to have Down syndrome through pre-term testing are
aborted, an alarming reality demonstrating contemporary culture's fixation
with human perfection and consumer choice, R. Albert Mohler Jr. said Jan.
22 on the "Coral Ridge Hour" television program.
Sounds to me like an appropriate use of amniocentesis and elective
termination of pregnancy. If you are not willing to have an abortion, why
bother getting an amnio? What I wonder is why 10-20% of babies known to
have Down's syndrome are NOT aborted?
I've come to believe that most, though not all, parents of disabled
children lash out at those who choose to abort a fetus with Down
Syndrome because they regret not having aborted their own children.
Misery loves company.
I have the same opinion. If I were a baby/fetus with Downs, Tay Sachs,
or Fragile-X, please, please abort me.
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R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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14 Feb 2006 05:48:23 PM |
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".R.L.Measures." <r_@somis.org> wrote
. I have the same opinion. If I were a baby/fetus with Downs, Tay Sachs,
or Fragile-X, please, please abort me.
No one should be in the bottom 1% of the ability range.
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| User: "William McHale" |
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16 Feb 2006 06:52:26 PM |
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Malcolm <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
".R.L.Measures." <r_@somis.org> wrote
. I have the same opinion. If I were a baby/fetus with Downs, Tay Sachs,
or Fragile-X, please, please abort me.
No one should be in the bottom 1% of the ability range.
Sounds an awful lot like eugencis to me. Regardless of what you do, there is
always going to be a bottem 1%. Its a simple reality.
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Bill
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| User: " R. L. Measures" |
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01 Mar 2006 07:05:30 PM |
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In article <dstq87$bim$4@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
".R.L.Measures." <r_@somis.org> wrote
. I have the same opinion. If I were a baby/fetus with Downs, Tay Sachs,
or Fragile-X, please, please abort me.
No one should be in the bottom 1% of the ability range.
** INDEED. This might prevent another leader like the one we're stuck with.
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Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "Science Teacher" |
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15 Feb 2006 09:21:29 AM |
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Malcolm wrote:
".R.L.Measures." <r_@somis.org> wrote
. I have the same opinion. If I were a baby/fetus with Downs, Tay Sachs,
or Fragile-X, please, please abort me.
No one should be in the bottom 1% of the ability range.
I think the one thing that clouds so many peoples minds is the idea that
this disabled/diseased child is a gift from God. Why is a
disabled/diseased child a gift from God, but cancer is not? Nature is
nature, and surely we are smart enough to recognize that.
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| User: "William McHale" |
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16 Feb 2006 06:34:45 PM |
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Science Teacher <science@learning.mind> wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
".R.L.Measures." <r_@somis.org> wrote
. I have the same opinion. If I were a baby/fetus with Downs, Tay Sachs,
or Fragile-X, please, please abort me.
No one should be in the bottom 1% of the ability range.
I think the one thing that clouds so many peoples minds is the idea that
this disabled/diseased child is a gift from God. Why is a
disabled/diseased child a gift from God, but cancer is not? Nature is
nature, and surely we are smart enough to recognize that.
I am not convinced that on some level cancer is not a gift. I certainly
don't understand, inside my belief system, which is Catholicism, why
suffering really exists. But I do know that a crisis like that can
really bring out the love in the ones you are close to. I never knew what
it was like to truely love, and to truely appreciate who you love until
I was in a position where I could loose her. Does it make up for the
suffering that cancer brings? I really don't know, I wish I did.
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Bill
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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16 Feb 2006 11:21:14 PM |
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William McHale <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
Science Teacher <science@learning.mind> wrote:
I think the one thing that clouds so many peoples minds is the idea that
this disabled/diseased child is a gift from God. Why is a
disabled/diseased child a gift from God, but cancer is not? Nature is
nature, and surely we are smart enough to recognize that.
I am not convinced that on some level cancer is not a gift. I certainly
don't understand, inside my belief system, which is Catholicism, why
suffering really exists.
Suffering exists to benefit the church. Those who suffer seek solace.
The church sells solace. That's why the church promotes suffering.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: " R. L. Measures" |
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01 Mar 2006 07:10:32 PM |
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In article <43f55d4a$0$58053$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, wrote:
William McHale <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
Science Teacher <science@learning.mind> wrote:
I think the one thing that clouds so many peoples minds is the idea that
this disabled/diseased child is a gift from God. Why is a
disabled/diseased child a gift from God, but cancer is not? Nature is
nature, and surely we are smart enough to recognize that.
I am not convinced that on some level cancer is not a gift. I certainly
don't understand, inside my belief system, which is Catholicism, why
suffering really exists.
Suffering exists to benefit the church. Those who suffer seek solace.
The church sells solace. That's why the church promotes suffering.
the church also advertises that suffering is one of the Blessed paths
to Salvation.
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Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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01 Mar 2006 07:14:56 PM |
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In News _r-0103061710320001@192.168.1.102,, R. L. Measures at
_r@somis.org, typed this:
In article <43f55d4a$0$58053$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net wrote:
William McHale <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
Science Teacher <science@learning.mind> wrote:
I think the one thing that clouds so many peoples minds is the
idea that this disabled/diseased child is a gift from God. Why is
a disabled/diseased child a gift from God, but cancer is not?
Nature is nature, and surely we are smart enough to recognize that.
I am not convinced that on some level cancer is not a gift. I
certainly don't understand, inside my belief system, which is
Catholicism, why suffering really exists.
Suffering exists to benefit the church. Those who suffer seek
solace. The church sells solace. That's why the church promotes
suffering.
the church also advertises that suffering is one of the Blessed
paths
to Salvation.
Didn't Jesus do all that suffering for us?
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "William McHale" |
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16 Feb 2006 06:51:21 PM |
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic R.L.Measures <r_@somis.org> wrote:
In article <43F10DB5.6F4E@learning.mind>, wrote:
I have the same opinion. If I were a baby/fetus with Downs, Tay Sachs,
or Fragile-X, please, please abort me.
That argument is alot easier to make when you are in fact not ever going
to be in that position. Indeed I am sure there are people with Downs and
Fragile-X who are quite glad to be alive. Tay Sachs manifests and kills
at such a young age that it is awfully hard for suffers to be able to really
come to terms with their disease.
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| User: " R. L. Measures" |
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01 Mar 2006 07:09:03 PM |
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In article <d69Jf.10$8Q5.404@news.abs.net>, William McHale
<mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic R.L.Measures <r_@somis.org> wrote:
In article <43F10DB5.6F4E@learning.mind>, wrote:
I have the same opinion. If I were a baby/fetus with Downs, Tay Sachs,
or Fragile-X, please, please abort me.
That argument is alot easier to make when you are in fact not ever going
to be in that position. Indeed I am sure there are people with Downs and
Fragile-X who are quite glad to be alive.
** The two Downs victims in my high-school were not happy campers.
Tay Sachs manifests and kills
at such a young age that it is awfully hard for suffers to be able to really
come to terms with their disease.
** The lucky ones get aborted or miscarried.
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cheers, Bill
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01 Mar 2006 07:14:10 PM |
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In News _r-0103061709030001@192.168.1.102,, R. L. Measures at
_r@somis.org, typed this:
In article <d69Jf.10$8Q5.404@news.abs.net>, William McHale
<mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic R.L.Measures <r_@somis.org>
wrote:
In article <43F10DB5.6F4E@learning.mind>,
wrote:
I have the same opinion. If I were a baby/fetus with Downs, Tay
Sachs, or Fragile-X, please, please abort me.
That argument is alot easier to make when you are in fact not ever
going
to be in that position. Indeed I am sure there are people with
Downs and Fragile-X who are quite glad to be alive.
** The two Downs victims in my high-school were not happy campers.
The one Downs victim that went to our High-School walked out in front of a
speeding train. It was unclear as to whether it was an accident, or he
committed suicide, but he wasn't a happy camper either.
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. Thomas Jefferson
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13 Feb 2006 04:58:03 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:53:39 GMT, in alt.atheism
Science Teacher <science@learning.mind> wrote in
<43F10DB5.6F4E@learning.mind>:
MarkA wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:59:28 -0500, J Young wrote:
Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that can
identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for
extinction? The proof is there; parents are seeking perfection. If and
when that happens, you can thank society's liberals.
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=22533
Mohler: 80-90% of Down syndrome babies killed in push for 'human
perfection'
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--Recent statistics show that as many as 80-90
percent
of all babies found to have Down syndrome through pre-term testing are
aborted, an alarming reality demonstrating contemporary culture's fixation
with human perfection and consumer choice, R. Albert Mohler Jr. said Jan.
22 on the "Coral Ridge Hour" television program.
Sounds to me like an appropriate use of amniocentesis and elective
termination of pregnancy. If you are not willing to have an abortion, why
bother getting an amnio? What I wonder is why 10-20% of babies known to
have Down's syndrome are NOT aborted?
I've come to believe that most, though not all, parents of disabled
children lash out at those who choose to abort a fetus with Down
Syndrome because they regret not having aborted their own children.
Misery loves company.
I think that's a bit hard on them, but I do agree that many handicapped
children are a serious drain on all sorts of resources of a family.
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31 Jan 2006 11:12:10 PM |
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in article JfWdnap38eboT0PenZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 1/30/06 9:59 PM:
Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that can
identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for extinction?
That will please the Catholic Church--if they don't want gays in
their buildings, how long before they don't want them on "their" earth?
Paul
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01 Feb 2006 02:26:31 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:12:10 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
in article JfWdnap38eboT0PenZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 1/30/06 9:59 PM:
Now who really believes that as soon as there is a test developed that can
identify a "gay" gene, that homos won't be next on the list for extinction?
That will please the Catholic Church--if they don't want gays in
their buildings, how long before they don't want them on "their" earth?
Sixty five years ago through *NOW*
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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