Religions > Atheism > Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay
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20 Oct 2005 11:27:02 PM |
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Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
This woman should claim that she was only exercising her "right to choose"
and have the ACLU represent her in court.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/12955752.htm
Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay
SAN FRANCISCO - A mentally ill woman seen dropping her three sons into San
Francisco Bay from a downtown pier was charged with three counts of murder
Thursday while anguished relatives kept vigil and rescuers combed the chilly
water for the bodies of two of the victims.
Lashuan T. Harris, 23, of Oakland, was held in a hospital jail ward after
police saw her pushing an empty baby stroller away from the pier where a
witness reported spotting a woman drop the children off the end Wednesday
night.
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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21 Oct 2005 08:34:53 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
This woman should claim that she was only exercising her "right to choose"
and have the ACLU represent her in court.
By this logic, murdering you would be an exercise in the right
to free association.
Elf
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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21 Oct 2005 12:43:35 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
This woman should claim that she was only exercising her "right to choose"
and have the ACLU represent her in court.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/12955752.htm
Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay
Of course, since they'd been born, she's going to be charged with murder, not
that you'd let that bothersome detail get in the way of your trolling, IBen...
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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21 Oct 2005 02:20:39 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:BISdnb9NdcY-88XeRVn-tQ@giganews.com...
This woman should claim that she was only exercising her "right to choose"
and have the ACLU represent her in court.
It's more likely she'll claim to be a deeply religious Christian woman who
heard God telling her to throw her kids in the bay.
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JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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21 Oct 2005 02:44:52 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:20:39 -0700, "Joseph Welch"
<seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:BISdnb9NdcY-88XeRVn-tQ@giganews.com...
This woman should claim that she was only exercising her "right to choose"
and have the ACLU represent her in court.
It's more likely she'll claim to be a deeply religious Christian woman who
heard God telling her to throw her kids in the bay.
Just like Andrea Yates.
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| User: "Martin Smith" |
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21 Oct 2005 03:27:57 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This woman should claim that she was only exercising her "right to choose"
and have the ACLU represent her in court.
Another victim of "Desperate Housewives," ay?
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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21 Oct 2005 01:32:37 PM |
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Baby-killing is an integral part of any viable civilization. Until modern
times, when babies were not all born in hospitals, deformed babies were
almost always killed. And when a man deserted his wife and children, his
wife would often kill their kids in justifiable revenge, thus getting rid of
the cad's genes. Likewise, the new husband would shed himself of the
previous husband's spawn, and quite rightly.
These ideas are abhorrent today, though the killing of healthy unborn
children is paid for by the state, ironically, and is considered of such
importance that an imaginary amendment to the Constitution was fabricated to
ensure it.
GP
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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21 Oct 2005 01:32:35 PM |
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Baby-killing is an integral part of any viable civilization. Until modern
times, when babies were not all born in hospitals, deformed babies were
almost always killed. And when a man deserted his wife and children, his
wife would often kill their kids in justifiable revenge, thus getting rid of
the cad's genes. Likewise, the new husband would shed himself of the
previous husband's spawn, and quite rightly.
These ideas are abhorrent today, though the killing of healthy unborn
children is paid for by the state, ironically, and is considered of such
importance that an imaginary amendment to the Constitution was fabricated to
ensure it.
GP
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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22 Oct 2005 01:40:32 PM |
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"B1ackwater" <bw@baarrk.net> wrote in message
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"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
Baby-killing is an integral part of any viable civilization. Until modern
times, when babies were not all born in hospitals, deformed babies were
almost always killed. And when a man deserted his wife and children, his
wife would often kill their kids in justifiable revenge, thus getting rid
of
the cad's genes. Likewise, the new husband would shed himself of the
previous husband's spawn, and quite rightly.
These ideas are abhorrent today, though the killing of healthy unborn
children is paid for by the state, ironically, and is considered of such
importance that an imaginary amendment to the Constitution was fabricated
to
ensure it.
Alas, most birth defects are the result of unfavorable
conditions during GESTATION, not because of 'bad genes'.
The beauty of eugenics is that you don't have to know why. Encourage the
healthy to breed and the unhealthy not to.
GP
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| User: "James" |
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22 Oct 2005 02:20:41 PM |
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The beauty of eugenics is that you don't have to know why. Encourage the
healthy to breed and the unhealthy not to.
It's strange that when people breed animals, they seem to understand the
realities of nature.
But if you say that we should use these techniques to breed people, then the
left wing starts coming up with reasons why these ideas don't work.
The arguements against eugenics:
It has something to do with Hitler.
It won't work.
The children will be born without souls.
It might be too much pressure for the poor kids.
The real reason people are against eugenics is that the people in control
like the status quo.
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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23 Oct 2005 01:36:55 PM |
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"James" <jsandkja@ohbfosh.com> wrote in message
news:dje3e9$mrj$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
The beauty of eugenics is that you don't have to know why. Encourage the
healthy to breed and the unhealthy not to.
It's strange that when people breed animals, they seem to understand the
realities of nature.
But if you say that we should use these techniques to breed people, then
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left wing starts coming up with reasons why these ideas don't work.
The arguements against eugenics:
It has something to do with Hitler.
It won't work.
The children will be born without souls.
It might be too much pressure for the poor kids.
The real reason people are against eugenics is that the people in control
like the status quo.
The ruling Jews are against it. They're afraid the "dumb" goyim (cattle)
might use it to boost their IQs beyond Jewish levels and that would be the
end of their scams.
GP
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| User: "B1ackwater" |
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23 Oct 2005 02:16:05 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:20:41 +0000 (UTC), "James"
<jsandkja@ohbfosh.com> wrote:
The beauty of eugenics is that you don't have to know why. Encourage the
healthy to breed and the unhealthy not to.
It's strange that when people breed animals, they seem to understand the
realities of nature.
But if you say that we should use these techniques to breed people, then the
left wing starts coming up with reasons why these ideas don't work.
The arguements against eugenics:
It has something to do with Hitler.
It won't work.
The children will be born without souls.
It might be too much pressure for the poor kids.
The real reason people are against eugenics is that the people in control
like the status quo.
1- Hitler barely had a clue.
2- It WILL work - if you use genetic engineering.
3- 'Souls' ? Not in the left-wing lexicon, more a right-wing thing.
4- Pressure on the poor ? TOUGH. Let 'em buy Wal-Mart brand genetic
modifications.
5- I'm not so sure the people in charge like the status-quo.
Indeed, if they could give everyone a pill so they'd be
more obedient and hard-working they'd DO it. THAT'S the
biggest problem with eugenics, the question of "Who
Decides ?". Clearly it needs to be CONSUMER-DRIVEN or
nothin'.
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| User: "James" |
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23 Oct 2005 03:02:25 PM |
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I'm not so sure the people in charge like the status-quo.
Indeed, if they could give everyone a pill so they'd be
more obedient and hard-working they'd DO it. THAT'S the
biggest problem with eugenics, the question of "Who
Decides ?". Clearly it needs to be CONSUMER-DRIVEN or
nothin'.
Sell the babies on E-bay?
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| User: "B1ackwater" |
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25 Oct 2005 09:45:13 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:02:25 +0000 (UTC), "James"
<jsandkja@ohbfosh.com> wrote:
I'm not so sure the people in charge like the status-quo.
Indeed, if they could give everyone a pill so they'd be
more obedient and hard-working they'd DO it. THAT'S the
biggest problem with eugenics, the question of "Who
Decides ?". Clearly it needs to be CONSUMER-DRIVEN or
nothin'.
Sell the babies on E-bay?
Not the babies ... the genes to MAKE the custom babies.
Phenotypic packages ... hair-color, eye-color, skin-color,
general height & build & aesthetic stuff ... should be
quite popular. Then there's the more hidden stuff like
IQ, factors relevant to athletic prowness, disease
resistance and lifespan.
Big $$$ potential !
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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23 Oct 2005 03:43:26 PM |
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On the auspictious date of Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:02:25 +0000 (UTC),
James said unto the multitude in message-id
<djgq8h$966$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>:
I'm not so sure the people in charge like the status-quo.
Indeed, if they could give everyone a pill so they'd be
more obedient and hard-working they'd DO it. THAT'S the
biggest problem with eugenics, the question of "Who
Decides ?". Clearly it needs to be CONSUMER-DRIVEN or
nothin'.
Sell the babies on E-bay?
Funny you should say that:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4359570.stm
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| User: "James" |
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23 Oct 2005 03:54:36 PM |
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Sell the babies on E-bay?
Funny you should say that:
We would need a human version of the kennel club.
I mean if you buy a baby you would want to see its papers first wouldn't
you?
A good way to get intelligent young women breeding and selling their kids,
instead of making a new and better widgets.
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| User: "B1ackwater" |
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23 Oct 2005 02:11:08 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:40:32 GMT, "Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net>
wrote:
"B1ackwater" <bw@baarrk.net> wrote in message
news:q51kl15v41e9mb1709n796kkshqubijk9s@4ax.com...
"Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
Baby-killing is an integral part of any viable civilization. Until modern
times, when babies were not all born in hospitals, deformed babies were
almost always killed. And when a man deserted his wife and children, his
wife would often kill their kids in justifiable revenge, thus getting rid
of
the cad's genes. Likewise, the new husband would shed himself of the
previous husband's spawn, and quite rightly.
These ideas are abhorrent today, though the killing of healthy unborn
children is paid for by the state, ironically, and is considered of such
importance that an imaginary amendment to the Constitution was fabricated
to
ensure it.
Alas, most birth defects are the result of unfavorable
conditions during GESTATION, not because of 'bad genes'.
The beauty of eugenics is that you don't have to know why. Encourage the
healthy to breed and the unhealthy not to.
But the qualities you see as 'healthy' TODAY might, if
conditions shift a bit, be distintly UN-healthy TOMORROW.
Lazy little runts do better than their big strapping
peers when the food supply runs short for example.
Sickle-cell keeps you alive in malaria-ridden regions.
Better to retain a DIVERSITY of traits - an genetic
'options bank' - in case of disaster.
Anyway, 'eugenics' per-se is just about obsolete.
It's increasingly possible to engineer specific
traits using biochemical techniques. Little by
little, the population is going to 'improve'
itself - by whatever criteria it thinks equals
'improvement' at the moment. In 500 or 1000 years
humanity may LOOK kinda the same, but on the INSIDE
we'll be several distinct sub-species and have
little in common with todays 'human'.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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27 Oct 2005 07:39:22 AM |
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(B1ackwater) wrote in alt.atheism
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But the qualities you see as 'healthy' TODAY might, if
conditions shift a bit, be distintly UN-healthy TOMORROW.
Lazy little runts do better than their big strapping
peers when the food supply runs short for example.
They do?
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www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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21 Oct 2005 05:30:04 PM |
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Godzilla Pimp wrote:
Baby-killing is an integral part of any viable civilization. Until
modern times, when babies were not all born in hospitals, deformed
babies were almost always killed. And when a man deserted his wife
and children, his wife would often kill their kids in justifiable
revenge, thus getting rid of the cad's genes. Likewise, the new
husband would shed himself of the previous husband's spawn, and quite
rightly.
If you were talking about felines, the new "husband" killing the cubs would
not be un-common.
As for the wife killing the children, please supply some historical
references.
Please explain the justification for that while you are at it.
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| User: "Godzilla Pimp" |
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21 Oct 2005 06:41:36 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Godzilla Pimp wrote:
Baby-killing is an integral part of any viable civilization. Until
modern times, when babies were not all born in hospitals, deformed
babies were almost always killed. And when a man deserted his wife
and children, his wife would often kill their kids in justifiable
revenge, thus getting rid of the cad's genes. Likewise, the new
husband would shed himself of the previous husband's spawn, and quite
rightly.
If you were talking about felines, the new "husband" killing the cubs
would not be un-common.
As for the wife killing the children, please supply some historical
references.
Please explain the justification for that while you are at it.
Read anything on sociogenetics, even Dawkins.
GP
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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21 Oct 2005 02:06:13 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:32:35 GMT, "Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net>
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These ideas are abhorrent today, though the killing of healthy unborn
children is paid for by the state, ironically, and is considered of such
importance that an imaginary amendment to the Constitution was fabricated to
ensure it.
Yet another stupid, dishonest, lying Christian.
GP
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| User: "kathryn" |
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22 Oct 2005 04:17:43 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:32:35 GMT, "Godzilla Pimp" <me7@privacy.net>
wrote:
These ideas are abhorrent today, though the killing of healthy unborn
children is paid for by the state, ironically, and is considered of such
importance that an imaginary amendment to the Constitution was fabricated
to
ensure it.
Yet another stupid, dishonest, lying Christian.
GP
Gee there seem to be a lot of em!
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21 Oct 2005 12:22:18 PM |
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Hearing the idiot feminists whine about her "mental disease" should be
a lot of fun. Except for the dead kids.
J Young wrote:
This woman should claim that she was only exercising her "right to choose"
and have the ACLU represent her in court.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/12955752.htm
Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay
SAN FRANCISCO - A mentally ill woman seen dropping her three sons into San
Francisco Bay from a downtown pier was charged with three counts of murder
Thursday while anguished relatives kept vigil and rescuers combed the chilly
water for the bodies of two of the victims.
Lashuan T. Harris, 23, of Oakland, was held in a hospital jail ward after
police saw her pushing an empty baby stroller away from the pier where a
witness reported spotting a woman drop the children off the end Wednesday
night.
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21 Oct 2005 02:04:11 PM |
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Hearing the idiot feminists whine about her "mental disease" should be
a lot of fun. Except for the dead kids.
Bush would have sent them home in body bags, all for OIL.
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| User: "Asmodeus bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom" |
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21 Oct 2005 04:52:34 PM |
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wrote in
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Hearing the idiot feminists whine about her "mental disease"
should be a lot of fun. Except for the dead kids.
Fry the *****. Who cares about "mental disease"?
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21 Oct 2005 05:15:10 PM |
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Asmodeus wrote:
Fry the *****. Who cares about "mental disease"?
I don't know the story, apart fom what I read here, but if this woman
was genuinely mentally ill she should have your sympathy not your
condemnation. She's just murdered her own children. How would you like
to be her if she's ever well enough to understand what she did?
I suspect you have never had to deal with a real psychosis (I have). If
you haven't, I hope that you soon will. Perhaps then you'll understand
what she may have been suffering. I suffered an acute psychotic episode
that lasted for two days. I had two voices in my head ordering me
around. I really believed they were coming from real people. I didn't
do anything dangerous, but I easily could have.
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| User: "Asmodeus bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom" |
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21 Oct 2005 05:36:38 PM |
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"Robi" <robi_tola@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1129932910.734867.14030
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
I don't know the story, apart fom what I read here, but if this woman
was genuinely mentally ill she should have your sympathy
She threw her three children into the bay and murdered them.
She'll have my sympathy when she's on death row.
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21 Oct 2005 07:50:06 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:36:38 -0500, in alt.atheism
Asmodeus <bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom> wrote in
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"Robi" <robi_tola@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1129932910.734867.14030
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
I don't know the story, apart fom what I read here, but if this woman
was genuinely mentally ill she should have your sympathy
She threw her three children into the bay and murdered them.
She'll have my sympathy when she's on death row.
You presume a lot. You may live in a place full of hard, mean, hate
filled people who would throw their children in the bay, but if anyone
did that around where I live, it would be because they are profoundly
incapable of understanding the consequences at the time they did it.
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| User: "BOB" |
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21 Oct 2005 07:52:53 PM |
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David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:36:38 -0500, in alt.atheism
Asmodeus <bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom> wrote in
<Xns96F6BD51F2807bondcrightwingnation@216.196.97.142>:
"Robi" <robi_tola@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1129932910.734867.14030
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
I don't know the story, apart fom what I read here, but if this woman
was genuinely mentally ill she should have your sympathy
She threw her three children into the bay and murdered them.
She'll have my sympathy when she's on death row.
You presume a lot. You may live in a place full of hard, mean, hate
filled people who would throw their children in the bay,
In other words, a "red" state.
but if anyone
did that around where I live, it would be because they are profoundly
incapable of understanding the consequences at the time they did it.
Also a "red" state.
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22 Oct 2005 11:23:58 AM |
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David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
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it would be because they are profoundly
incapable of understanding the consequences at the time they did it.
How is that relevant? Three children have been murdered. Thrown
into the water and murdered. Those three children need justice,
and all the "mental disabilities" she may have don't change that.
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| Title: Re: Mom charged with murder after allegedly throwing kids into SF Bay |
24 Oct 2005 10:28:16 PM |
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Asmodeus <bondcATrightwingnationDOTcom> wrote:
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
news:iv2jl15po07k958hute6nq90asekjk5qek@4ax.com:
it would be because they are profoundly
incapable of understanding the consequences at the time they did it.
How is that relevant? Three children have been murdered. Thrown
into the water and murdered. Those three children need justice,
They no longer need anything at all.
and all the "mental disabilities" she may have don't change that.
Your lust for vengenace and more killing is no justification.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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