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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Michelle Malkin"
Date: 01 Sep 2005 08:49:17 PM
Object: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131
Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.
.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 02 Sep 2005 01:33:41 AM
In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.

Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which could
have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic state
theocracy.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 02 Sep 2005 01:59:17 AM
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-DB4D6F.23334101092005@news.giganews.com...

In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which could
have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic state
theocracy.

Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans. For crying out loud, the looters are taking over
the city! They've already killed one cop and they're
shooting at rescuers.

--
John Hachmann aa #1782

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities"
-Voltaire


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User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 02 Sep 2005 07:58:42 AM
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-DB4D6F.23334101092005@news.giganews.com...

In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which
could have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic
state theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans.

"He" who? What is "he" supposed to do? Put on his blue spandex and fly
them all down himself?

For crying out loud, the looters are taking over
the city! They've already killed one cop and they're
shooting at rescuers.

I see what the problem is. Bush isn't God. He'd have to be God to do all
the things you seem to think he should be able to do in the time you've
given him to do them.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 07 Sep 2005 12:35:18 PM
1. Michelle Malkin 2 sep 03:49 opties weergeven
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131
Why Fred
I expected you to tell us the article Michelle referred to was a lie.
Why didn't you
Don't tell me: Because it is all true""
That would be as embarresing for Bush as can be!
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
September 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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User: "WCB"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 02 Sep 2005 04:11:27 PM
Fred Stone wrote:


I see what the problem is. Bush isn't God. He'd have to be God to do all
the things you seem to think he should be able to do in the time you've
given him to do them.

The problem is not the Bush is not god, but that he is totally
incompetent. He is Bush. He slashed flood preparedness for
Lousiana, and he gutted FEMA.
Despite being warned that a large hurricane hitting New Orleans
was one of three biggest possible catastrophes facing
America. like all those experts pleading with Bush to
look at terrorism, experts telling Bush what he needed
to look at were ignored. Bush sat on his butt while 9/11
was plotted, planned and put into execution, Bush slashed
money for counter-terrorism. Here, Bush slashed money
for upgrading New Orlean's levees, and gutted FEMA,
leaving it incapable of quick response in face of a disaster
he was fully warned about.
The problem is not that he is not god, but that he is G.W. Bush,
the worst president we have had.
Warned at the very beginning of his presidency of
this very disaster we now face, Bush showed no
competence, no leadership, no sign of even caring.
And it gets worse. Under Reagan and Bush, FEMA proved
not particularly competent in responses after such disasters.
Clinton created a number of programs to deal with those
short comings. Bush systematically disassembled every
last Clinton program. Probably smirked as he signed
off on that too. So now, after the hurricane, and after
the levees are fixed and New Orleans drained, we will
find FEMA and Bush without a clue, without a plan.
Because Bush destroyed that capability to deal with
the aftermath of a disaster leaving the US without
capable people with experience and capable plans
for dealing with the catastrophe.
Bush is an idiot. He is not god, but he is a disaster in
and of himself.
You of course, being a Bush butt sucking right winger
will do nothing but make excuses for this miserable
excuse of a president.
The chaos that is about to envelope New Orleans is
a Bush production, because he in fact gutted
everything after gutting plans to deal with the
inadequacies of New Orlean's levees and flood control
systems starting in his first year.
He made sure that New Orleans had no chance.
he made sure FEMA could not adequately respond.
He made sure that there will be no infrastructure
to deal rapidly and correctly to the aftermath.
Its another Bush trifecta.
He was a totally incompetent *****.
And the worst may yet to come.
http://www.indyweek.com/durham/2004-09-22/cover.html
Disaster in the making
As FEMA weathers a storm of Bush administration policy
and budget changes, protection from natural hazards may
be trumped by 'homeland security"
B Y J O N E L L I S T O N
Fridays don't get much busier than this. It's the morning
of Sept. 3, and Federal Emergency Management Agency
headquarters in Washington, D.C., is running at a full
clip, having mobilized a cadre of disaster-response
specialists in its National Emergency Operations Center
the day before. "This is our 'war room,'" a FEMA employee
explains.
September 22, 2004

C O V E R F E A T U R E

"Right now we're in 24-hours-a-day activation," he says.
"It's a double-whammy." Indeed, the agency is still busy
helping Florida recover from Hurricane Charley's punishing
winds and rain when satellite images show that an even
greater storm, Hurricane Frances, will soon make landfall.
It appears so threatening that most of FEMA's personnel on
the ground, along with 2.5 million Floridians, have evacuated
from the storm's projected path.
..
Inside the op center, scores of personnel from FEMA and a host
of other agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency,
the Coast Guard, the Army Corps of Engineers and the Department
of Health and Human Services, buzz around in what appears to be
a state of controlled chaos. They work the phones, hover over
computer screens and trade the latest weather forecasts. Using
a time-tested system of disaster management, they've split their
tasks into 12 "emergency support functions" designed to bring
in food, water, medical care, electricity, housing, transportation
and other desperately needed resources as soon as Frances moves on.
John Crowe, a Department of Homeland Security geospatial mapping
expert detailed to FEMA to help track such outbreaks of rough weather,
steps outside the building for a quick cigarette. "Everybody's
really running into gear here," he says between puffs. "FEMA's
ready, about as ready as they've ever been."
FEMA's relatively quick response to the hurricanes has thus
far won mostly high marks from Florida officials, who remember
well a time when the disaster agency seemed the last party to
show up after catastrophes. In addition, President Bush has paid
multiple visits to assure storm victims they will get whatever
help is needed, and he promptly secured more than $2 billion
from Congress to fund Florida's recovery.
As storms continue to batter the Panhandle, no one would call
Florida lucky. But with national elections just around the
corner, the hurricanes could scarcely have hit at a better
time or place for obtaining federal disaster assistance.
"They're doing a good job," one former FEMA executive says
of the Bush administration's response efforts. "And the
reason why they're doing that job is because it's so close
to the election, and they can't ***** it up, otherwise they
lose Florida--and if they lose Florida, they might lose
the election."
Such political considerations may indeed make this round
of recoveries go better than most. But long before this
hurricane season, some emergency managers inside and
outside of government started sounding an alarm that
still rings loudly. Bush administration policy changes
and budget cuts, they say, are sapping FEMA's longterm
ability to cushion the blow of hurricanes, earthquakes,
floods, tornados, wildfires and other natural disasters.
Among emergency specialists, "mitigation"--the measures
taken in advance to minimize the damage caused by natural
disasters--is a crucial part of the strategy to save lives
and cut recovery costs. But since 2001, key federal disaster
mitigation programs, developed over many years, have been
slashed and tossed aside. FEMA's Project Impact, a model
mitigation program created by the Clinton administration,
has been canceled outright. Federal funding of post-disaster
mitigation efforts designed to protect people and property
from the next disaster has been cut in half, and now,
communities across the country must compete for pre-disaster
mitigation dollars.
As a result, some state and local emergency managers say,
it's become more difficult to get the equipment and funds
they need to most effectively deal with disasters. In
North Carolina, a state regularly damaged by hurricanes
and floods, FEMA recently refused the state's request to
buy backup generators for emergency support facilities.
And the budget cuts have halved the funding for a mitigation
program that saved an estimated $8.8 million in recovery
costs in three eastern N.C. communities alone after 1999's
Hurricane Floyd. In Louisiana, another state vulnerable to
hurricanes, requests for flood mitigation funds were rejected
by FEMA this summer.
Consequently, the residents of these and other disaster-
prone states will find the government less able to help
them when help is needed most, and both states and the
federal government will be forced to shoulder more recovery
costs after disasters strike.
In addition, the White House has pushed for privatization
of essential government services, including disaster
management, and merged FEMA into the Department of Homeland
Security, where natural disaster programs are often sidelined
by counter-terrorism programs. Along the way, morale at FEMA
has plummeted, and many of the agency's most experienced
personnel have left for work in other government agencies
or private corporations.
In June, Pleasant Mann, a 16-year FEMA veteran who heads the
agency's government employee union, wrote members of Congress
to warn of the agency's decay. "Over the past three-and-one-half
years, FEMA has gone from being a model agency to being one where
funds are being misspent, employee morale has fallen, and our
nation's emergency management capability is being eroded,"
he wrote. "Our professional staff are being systematically
replaced by politically connected novices and contractors."
So while they're far from where hurricanes hit hardest, FEMA's
Washington-based disaster managers find themselves in the middle
of a perfect storm of their own. "All Hazards"
FEMA has dealt with disasters since long before the term
"homeland security" came into vogue after the 9/11 attacks.
Created by President Jimmy Carter in 1979 to handle the country's
worst-case scenarios, FEMA has always struggled to define its
precise mission. In theory, it's responsible for "all hazards,"
which means the agency coordinates efforts to keep the United
States safe from the full spectrum of domestic dangers, be they
"acts of God" like weather emergencies or acts of human enemies
like al Qaeda terrorists.
In the 1980s, the Reagan administration endowed FEMA with
extraordinary powers to keep the country running--powers bordering
on martial law, critics argued. The agency became responsible for
"continuity of government" plans devoted to salvaging national
authority in the event of a nuclear attack. Other plans, drafted by
the likes of National Security Council aide Oliver North, laid the
groundwork for rounding up rabble-rousers in the event of societal
breakdown, whatever the cause. (The troubling implications of the
agency's early work had a long legacy in popular culture, thanks
to the X-Files TV show and movie, which often referenced the specter
of how FEMA-rule would supplant constitutional government.)
As the Cold War ended, FEMA turned greater attention to
handling natural disasters, but the agency proved unequal
to the task. In August 1992, Hurricane Andrew assaulted
Florida and other Southern states with 170-mile-an-hour
winds, killing 23 people and leaving a trail of devastation.
The severity of the storm caught FEMA off-guard, and the
agency did too little, too late to help the state recover,
enraging thousands of storm victims. Several days after
Andrew dissipated, Dade County's emergency manager famously
pleaded, "Where the hell is the cavalry?"
Two months later, President George H.W. Bush paid a price
of sorts at the polls when Bill Clinton shrunk the incumbent's
once-sizable lead and came within two percentage points of
beating Bush in Florida. It was an important lesson learned
for both the politicians and the emergency agency.
In 1993, President Clinton's new FEMA director, James Lee
Witt, set the agency on a corrective course. Witt, who had
served under then-Gov. Clinton as director of Arkansas
emergency management, embarked on an ambitious campaign
to bulk up the agency's natural disaster programs while
staying prepared for "all hazards." Witt's changes eventually
reversed FEMA's reputation for being unfocused and ineffective.
The agency garnered praise from both Democrats and Republicans
for improving coordination with state and local emergency offices
and turning attention and resources to the benefits of disaster
mitigation.
"Mitigation is the cornerstone of emergency management," a
FEMA Web site explains today. "It's the ongoing effort to
lessen the impact disasters have on people's lives and
property." Under mitigation plans, houses in flood plains
are moved or raised above the flood-line, buildings are
designed to withstand hurricane winds and earthquakes,
and communities are relocated away from likely wildfire
zones. According to FEMA estimates, every dollar spent
on mitigation saves roughly two dollars in disaster
recovery costs.
The need for more systematic mitigation efforts was driven
home by 1996's Hurricane Fran, which killed 37 people
and caused tens of billions of dollars in damages. In
1997, Witt established Project Impact, which would
become the agency's most high-profile mitigation program.
Under the project, FEMA fostered partnerships between
federal, state and local emergency workers, along
with local businesses, to prepare individual communities
for natural disasters. Impact partnerships sprang up
in all 50 states. In Seattle, Wash., for example, the
grants were used to retrofit schools, bridges and
houses at risk from earthquakes. In Pascagoula, Miss.,
the project funded the creation of a database of
structures in the local flood plain--crucial information
for preparing mitigation plans. In several eastern
North Carolina communities, it helped fund and coordinate
buyouts of houses in flood-prone areas.
By the time the Bush administration entered office
in January 2001, some 250 communities had signed
up for Project Impact. FEMA seemed sturdy, having
found its role and proved itself capable of
fulfilling it. But in the field of emergency
management, some things can change as quickly
as the weather.
Bush's FEMA
From its first months in office, the Bush administration
made it clear that emergency programs, like much of the
federal government, were in for a major reorientation.
At FEMA, President Bush appointed a close aide, Joe
Allbaugh, to be the agency's new director. Allbaugh
had served as then-Gov. Bush's chief of staff in
Texas and as manager of his 2000 presidential campaign.
Along with Karl Rove and Karen Hughes, Allbaugh was
known as one part of Bush's "iron triangle" of
professional handlers.
Some FEMA veterans complained that Allbaugh had
little experience in managing disasters, and the
new administration's early initiatives did little
to settle their concerns. The White House quickly
launched a government-wide effort to privatize
public services, including key elements of disaster
management. Bush's first budget director, Mitch
Daniels, spelled out the philosophy in remarks
at an April 2001 conference: "The general idea--
that the business of government is not to provide
services, but to make sure that they are provided--
seems self-evident to me," he said.
In a May 15, 2001, appearance before a Senate
appropriations subcommittee, Allbaugh signaled
that the new, stripped-down approach would be
applied at FEMA as well. "Many are concerned
that federal disaster assistance may have evolved
into both an oversized entitlement program and
a disincentive to effective state and local risk
management," he said. "Expectations of when the
federal government should be involved and the
degree of involvement may have ballooned beyond
what is an appropriate level."
As a result, says a disaster program administrator
who insists on anonymity, "We have to compete for
our jobs--we have to prove that we can do it cheaper
than a contractor." And when it comes to handling
disasters, the FEMA employee stresses, cheaper is
not necessarily better, and the new outsourcing
requirements sometimes slow the agency's operations.
William Waugh, a disaster expert at Georgia State
University who has written training programs for
FEMA, warns that the rise of a "consultant culture"
has not served emergency programs well. "It's part
of a widespread problem of government contracting
out capabilities," he says. "Pretty soon governments
can't do things because they've given up those
capabilities to the private sector. And private
corporations don't necessarily maintain those
capabilities."
The push for privatization wasn't the only change that
raised red flags at FEMA. As a 2004 article in the
Journal of Homeland Security and Emergency Management
would later note, "Allbaugh brought about several
internal, though questionably effective, reorganizations
of FEMA. The Bush-Allbaugh FEMA diminished the Clinton
administration's organizational emphasis on disaster
mitigation."
In February 2001, for example, the Bush administration
proposed eliminating Project Impact, a move approved
by Congress later in the year. (On the very day the
White House proposal was submitted, a magnitude 6.8
earthquake rocked Washington state, which was home
to several communities where Project Impact had
sponsored quake mitigation efforts.) Ending the
project and trimming other FEMA programs, the White
House argued, would save roughly $200 million. In
its place, FEMA instituted a new program of mitigation
grants that are awarded on a competitive basis.
The administration also made a failed attempt to cut
the federal percentage of large-scale natural disaster
preparedness expenditures. Since the 1990s, the federal
government has paid 75 percent of such costs, with
states and municipalities funding the other 25
percent. The White House's attempt to reduce the
federal contribution to 50 percent was defeated in
Congress.
At the same time, Allbaugh gave off contradictory
signals on the value of mitigation, on one occasion
chastising a community for doing too little to
prepare in advance for disaster. In April 2001,
he caused a stir when he asked Iowans, then in
the midst of massive flood recovery efforts, "How many
times will the American taxpayer have to step in and
take care of this flooding, which could be easily
prevented by building levees and dikes?"
A month later, the Washington Post reported that
the Bush administration's moves against mitigation
programs were causing worries in disaster-prone
states. "Statehouse critics of the proposed cuts
contend that in the long run they would cost the
government more because many communities will be
unable to afford preventative measures and as a
result will require more relief money when disasters
strike," the newspaper noted.
By ignoring the logic of fully-funded mitigation and
other preparedness programs, Bush's first FEMA director
earned some scorn among emergency specialists. "Allbaugh?
He was inept," says Claire Rubin, a senior researcher
at George Washington University's Institute for Crisis,
Disaster and Risk Management. "He was chief of staff
for Bush in Texas--that was his credential. He didn't
have an emergency management background, other than
the disasters he ran into in Texas, and he wasn't
a very open guy. He didn't want to learn anything."
Allbaugh's troubled tenure at the agency would be
a relatively short one. In December 2002, he
announced he would leave his post. While political
observers expected Allbaugh to join the Bush
re-election effort, instead he set about creating
a string of lobbying firms, including New Bridge
Strategies, which helps U.S. companies win reconstruction
contracts in Iraq. This summer, he started another
consulting company with Andrew Lundquist, the former
director of Vice President ***** Cheney's secretive
energy policy task force. The firm's first client
was Lockheed Martin, one of the country's largest
defense contractors.
The Merger
The early problems at Allbaugh's FEMA, nettlesome as
they were, paled in comparison to the challenges
the agency faced after 9/11. In the wake of the
terrorist attacks, leading members of Congress
pushed for a radical restructuring of the
government's anti-terrorism apparatus. Sen. Joe
Lieberman (D-Conn.) proposed legislation to merge
several federal agencies into a new security-focused
umbrella department. At first, the White House opposed
the plan, calling it impractical and unnecessary.
But then, as former counter-terrorism czar Richard
Clarke explained in his recent book Against all
Enemies, "the White House legislative affairs
office began to take a head count on Capitol Hill."
Realizing that the Lieberman Bill would likely pass
both houses of Congress, with no credit given to
the White House, in June 2002 the administration
changed its tune, calling for a new Department of
Homeland Security (DHS) that would be even larger
than the one Lieberman had proposed.
Under the administration's plan, 22 government
agencies, FEMA among them, would be merged into
the DHS. Analysts in and out of government warned
against subsuming the emergency agency's vital
functions in a new super-department. "There
are concerns of FEMA losing its identity as
an agency that is quick to respond to all
hazards and disasters," the agency's inspector
general noted in a memo to Allbaugh. Congress'
Government Accountability Office judged the
merger to be a "high-risk" endeavor for FEMA,
and the Brookings Institution, a leading Washington
think-tank, cautioned in a report that such a move
could hobble the agency's natural disaster programs.
"While a merged FEMA might become highly adept at
preparing for and responding to terrorism, it would
likely become less effective in performing its
current mission in case of natural disasters as
time, effort and attention are inevitably diverted
to other tasks within the larger organization."
But Bush's proposal won out, and a shift in
priorities from natural disasters to counter-
terrorism immediately took hold. In its 2002 budget,
the White House doubled FEMA's budget to $6.6 billion,
but of that sum, $3.5 billion was earmarked for
equipment and training to help states and localities
respond to terrorist attacks.
Michael Brown, a college friend of Allbaugh's who
had served as FEMA's general counsel, was recruited
to head the agency, which would now be part of the
DHS's Emergency and Response Directorate. When the
reorganization took effect on March 1, 2003, Brown
assured skeptics that under the new arrangement,
the country would be served by "FEMA on steroids"--
a faster, more effective disaster agency.
But the merger into DHS has compounded the agency's
problems, says FEMA employee and union president
Pleasant Mann. "Before, we reported straight to the
White House, and now we've got this elaborate
bureaucracy on top of us, and a lot of this bureaucracy
doesn't think what we're doing is that important,
because terrorism isn't our number one," he said.
"The biggest frustration here is that we at FEMA
have responded to disasters like Oklahoma City and
9/11, and here are people who haven't responded to a
kitchen fire telling us how to deal with terrorism.
You know, there were a lot of people who fell down
on the job on 9/11, but it wasn't us."
The FEMA program administrator says the crux of the
problem is that the agency is buried in DHS, which
is regarded as a "do-nothing agency" among FEMA's
action-oriented staff. "You know, FEMA could do well
by itself, and FEMA was starting to do well by itself.
But that's changed."
Rubin, the George Washington University researcher,
agrees with these assessments. "DHS has done a number
of things to FEMA that are making it very, very hard
for FEMA to function as it used to," she says. "A l
arge number of people who are experienced with natural
hazards no longer are doing that primarily or at all."
On Aug. 4, 2003, Brown announced that FEMA would at least
be permitted to keep its name, if not its status as an
independent agency. He has insisted that FEMA will stay
prepared for "all hazards," even the non-terrorist ones.
"Yes, it's a new world, it's a dangerous world, and the
Department of Homeland Security will have a focus on
terrorism, but it's not the only focus," he said in early
2003.
But the tension between Brown's competing duties has
proven unavoidable. In May 2003, for example, the DHS
staged TOPOFF 2--officially billed as "the largest
homeland security exercise in the history of the United
States"--to test the government's ability to deal with
a terrorist attack with weapons of mass destruction.
The same week of the exercise, hundreds of real-life
tornadoes ripped through the Midwest, causing some
FEMA staffers to find themselves torn between practicing
for terrorism and handling an actual natural disaster.
And while resources for the DHS exercise were readily
available, according to Mann, FEMA's headquarters staff
was forced, that same summer, to cancel disaster training
drills due to budget shortfalls.
Whither mitigation?
In 2003, Congress approved a White House proposal to
cut FEMA's Hazard Mitigation Grant Program (HMGP) in
half. Previously, the federal government was committed
to invest 15 percent of the recovery costs of a given
disaster in mitigating future problems. Under the Bush
formula, the feds now cough up only 7.5 percent.
Such post-disaster mitigation efforts, specialists
say, are a crucial way of minimizing future losses.
It's after a disaster strikes, they argue, that the
government can best take the steps necessary to avoid
repeat problems, because that's when officials and
storm victims are most receptive to mitigation plans.
Larry Larson is executive director of the Association
of State Floodplain Managers, an organization that
keeps a close eye on mitigation matters. The Bush
administration, he says, is "being penny-wise and
pound foolish" by cutting the HMGP formula. His
group has pressed Congress to restore the federal
investment to 15 percent of disaster costs, and he
expects that some legislators will soon take up the
cause on their own. "Florida's going to be looking
for mitigation money so that they can rebuild in a
safer fashion," he says. "I'm sure that the Florida
delegation is going to be thinking now about how the
state can't do what's needed with the recent cuts
in post-disaster mitigation--how they can't do today
what they could have done before."
Pressed on this issue, Bush administration officials
have said that the formula puts more of the mitigation
burden on state governments, where it belongs. But
the National Emergency Management Association (NEMA)
points out that, now more than ever, cash-strapped
states cannot afford to pick up the balance. "The
federal focus on terrorism preparedness has left
states with an increased responsibility to provide
support for natural disasters and emergencies,"
noted a report released by the association this
summer. "State budget shortfalls have given emergency
management programs less to work with, at a time when
more is expected of them. In fiscal year 2004, the
average budget for a state emergency management agency
was $40.8 million, a 23 percent reduction from fiscal
year 2003."
The administration also argues that its new
pre-disaster mitigation grants, which are awarded
on a competitive basis, will help states pick up
the slack. But again, emergency managers say it's
not enough. In recent congressional testimony, a
NEMA representative noted that "in a purely
competitive grant program, lower income communities,
those most often at risk to natural disaster, will
not effectively compete with more prosperous cities....
The prevention of repetitive damages caused by disasters
would go largely unprepared in less-affluent and smaller
communities."
And indeed, some in-need areas have been inexplicably
left out of the program. "In a sense, Louisiana is the
flood plain of the nation," noted a 2002 FEMA report.
"Louisiana waterways drain two-thirds of the continental
United States. Precipitation in New York, the Dakotas,
even Idaho and the Province of Alberta, finds its way
to Louisiana's coastline." As a result, flooding is a
constant threat, and the state has an estimated 18,000
buildings that have been repeatedly damaged by flood
waters--the highest number of any state. And yet, this
summer FEMA denied Louisiana communities' pre-disaster
mitigation funding requests.
In Jefferson Parish, part of the New Orleans metropolitan
area, flood zone manager Tom Rodrigue is baffled by the
development. "You would think we would get maximum
consideration" for the funds, he says. "This is what
the grant program called for. We were more than qualified
for it."
Brain Drain
Within FEMA, the shift away from mitigation programs is
so pronounced that many long-time specialists in the
field have quit. "The priority is no longer on prevention,
"says the FEMA administrator. "Mitigation, honestly, is
the orphaned stepchild. People are leaving it in droves."
In fact, disaster professionals are leaving many parts of
FEMA in droves, compromising the agency's ability to do
its job. "Since last year, so many people have left who
had developed most of our basic programs," Mann says.
"A lot of the institutional knowledge is gone. Everyone
who was able to retire has left, and then a lot of people
have moved to other agencies."
There are at least at least two reasons for the exodus.
On the one hand, FEMA, like the rest of the federal
government's civil service, is hitting a demographic
brick wall. Its staff of veteran managers, most of t
hem baby boomers, is reaching retirement age.
But another factor is at work: disillusionment at the
agency's new direction under the Bush administration.
In February 2004, the American Federation of Government
Employees surveyed 84 FEMA personnel about the state of
things at the agency. The results showed a dramatic
downturn in morale: 80 percent said FEMA has become
"a poorer agency" under DHS, and 60 percent said that,
given the chance to move to another agency and make
the same salary, they'd do so.
For some, quitting the agency has become an especially
attractive option, since FEMA is outsourcing more and
many former employees have found work with contractors.
It's an understandable choice, Mann says. "They're saying,
OK, I can't develop my career here any more, so I might
as well cash out."
Not everyone who has left did so because of disenchantment,
asserts Laurence Zensinger, a longtime FEMA official who
resigned this year and joined Dewberry, a Fairfax, Va.-based
engineering firm that does disaster work for the government.
Under the DHS reorganization, he says, some of FEMA's
capabilities have in fact been strengthened, because the
new arrangement aids coordination among federal agencies that
FEMA regularly works with. Furthermore, he says, the rise in
public and governmental attention to emergency programs since
9/11 has, in a larger sense, benefited the agency. "I think
there's a lot that's happening that's sort of lifting all
boats," he says.
Nevertheless, FEMA must now get by with a smaller number
of in-house specialists. The irony, disaster researcher
Claire Rubin says, is that FEMA will now have to hire
former employees like Zensinger as contractors. "Now,
frankly, the senior brains and the people with 20, 30
years of operational experience, there's more of them
in the private sector than there are at FEMA. It's a
significant shift. If the government's going to get
smaller and the catastrophes keep getting bigger,
the net effect will be to outsource what you need.
It might be cheaper, it might be more expensive, but
it's not a great way to run this part of government."
Following the current spate of hurricanes, she predicts,
"you will see FEMA contracts flying left and right so
they can get these people back who know how to do
this stuff."
"An exposed nerve"
In case Congress hasn't gotten the message, former
FEMA director James Lee Witt recently restated it in
strong terms. "I am extremely concerned that the ability
of our nation to prepare for and respond to disasters
has been sharply eroded," he testified at a March 24,
2004, hearing on Capitol Hill. "I hear from emergency
managers, local and state leaders, and first responders
nearly every day that the FEMA they knew and worked well
with has now disappeared. In fact one state emergency
manager told me, 'It is like a stake has been driven
into the heart of emergency management.'"
Lately, though, Witt has had nothing to say publicly
about the agency's performance. His disaster management
company, James Lee Witt Associates, recently won a
$250,000 contract with Orlando, Fla., to help the city
get its share of post-hurricane FEMA money. A company
spokesman says that Witt will be making no comment while
Florida's recovery efforts continue, out of respect for
his former colleagues.
Waugh, the Georgia State University expert, says that
the recent hurricanes could serve as a wake-up call to
highlight FEMA's drift in priorities. "If you talk
to FEMA people and emergency management people around
the country, people have almost been hoping for a major
natural disaster like a hurricane, just to remind DHS and
the administration that there are other big things--even
bigger things than al Qaeda.
"This is an exposed nerve in the emergency management
community, in the sense that resources have been shifted
away from hurricanes, tornados and other kinds of
disasters--the kind of disasters that are more likely
to occur than terrorism."
Jon Elliston is a former Independent staff writer who specializes
in national security issues. This article was funded by the
Association of Alternative Newsweeklies and includes reporting
by Folio Weekly in Jacksonville, Fla., and Gambit Weekly in
New Orleans, La.
-----
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No way for the clams to stamp Xenu out,
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Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 02 Sep 2005 08:08:32 AM
Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
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In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which
could have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic
state theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans.


"He" who? What is "he" supposed to do? Put on his blue spandex and fly
them all down himself?

Bush used the national guard inappropriately, rendering them
unavailable when they are desperately needed in this country. He could
have started by not sending them off to fight a foreign war. I don't
think it takes a superhero to use resources the way they are meant to
be used. Americans died because of the late response, the same
Americans who the soldiers in Iraq are supposedly supposed to be
protecting.

For crying out loud, the looters are taking over
the city! They've already killed one cop and they're
shooting at rescuers.


I see what the problem is. Bush isn't God. He'd have to be God to do all
the things you seem to think he should be able to do in the time you've
given him to do them.

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it'd be, 'We can do
better.' - Howard Dean

.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 02 Sep 2005 09:27:02 AM
"defiant penguin" <Jason.Kielpinski@gmail.com> wrote in
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Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
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In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which
could have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic
state theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans.


"He" who? What is "he" supposed to do? Put on his blue spandex and
fly them all down himself?



Bush used the national guard inappropriately, rendering them
unavailable when they are desperately needed in this country.

Uhh, no, he didn't.

He could
have started by not sending them off to fight a foreign war.

So, even if I grant the premise that the Guard in Iraq are needed, Bush
is supposed to be prescient?

I don't
think it takes a superhero to use resources the way they are meant to
be used. Americans died because of the late response, the same
Americans who the soldiers in Iraq are supposedly supposed to be
protecting.

Sorry, but that "late response" is because of the logistics problem of
getting people and large quantities of supplies into NO, not because the
people aren't available. Helicopters can only carry so much, for
everything else you need trucks and the main roads are out.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
.
User: "WCB"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 02 Sep 2005 04:22:53 PM
Fred Stone wrote:

"defiant penguin" <Jason.Kielpinski@gmail.com> wrote in
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Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
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In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which
could have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic
state theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans.


"He" who? What is "he" supposed to do? Put on his blue spandex and
fly them all down himself?



Bush used the national guard inappropriately, rendering them
unavailable when they are desperately needed in this country.


Uhh, no, he didn't.

Yes, he did. He lied us into a war.
And now when Louisiana needs its NG, its overseas.
And what planning did happen in face of this problem?
None! In 2004, Bush slashed the budget for Lousiana's
disaster preparedness under FEMA.
After having stripped Louisiana of needed man power
to send them to Iraq.
He could have said. "well, since the Lousiana NG is
now in Iraq, and a big hurricane would cause all sorts
of troubles, let us plan for that possible problem.
What did he actually do. Slash the budget in 2004.
So there could be no adequate planning.
In case of an hurricane, what do you do?
Under the Bush plan, you are simply screwed, that's all.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/
CHRONOLOGY....Here's a timeline that outlines the fate of both FEMA
and flood control projects in New Orleans under the Bush
administration. Read it and weep:
January 2001: Bush appoints Joe Allbaugh, a crony from Texas, as head
of FEMA. Allbaugh has no previous experience in disaster management.
April 2001: Budget Director Mitch Daniels announces the Bush
administration's goal of privatizing much of FEMA's work. In May,
Allbaugh confirms that FEMA will be downsized: "Many are concerned
that federal disaster assistance may have evolved into both an
oversized entitlement program...." he said. "Expectations of when the
federal government should be involved and the degree of involvement
may have ballooned beyond what is an appropriate level."
2001: FEMA designates a major hurricane hitting New Orleans as one of
the three "likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this
country."
December 2002: After less than two years at FEMA, Allbaugh announces
he is leaving to start up a consulting firm that advises companies
seeking to do business in Iraq. He is succeeded by his deputy, Michael
Brown, who, like Allbaugh, has no previous experience in disaster
management.
March 2003: FEMA is downgraded from a cabinet level position and
folded into the Department of Homeland Security. Its mission is
refocused on fighting acts of terrorism.
2003: Under its new organization chart within DHS, FEMA's preparation
and planning functions are reassigned to a new Office of Preparedness
and Response. FEMA will henceforth focus only on response and
recovery.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Summer 2004: FEMA denies Louisiana's pre-disaster mitigation funding
requests. Says Jefferson Parish flood zone manager Tom Rodrigue: "You
would think we would get maximum consideration....This is what the
grant program called for. We were more than qualified for it."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
June 2004: The Army Corps of Engineers budget for levee construction
in New Orleans is slashed. Jefferson Parish emergency management
chiefs Walter Maestri comments: "It appears that the money has been
moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the
war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay."
June 2005: Funding for the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps
of Engineers is cut by a record $71.2 million. One of the hardest-hit
areas is the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, which
was created after the May 1995 flood to improve drainage in Jefferson,
Orleans and St. Tammany parishes.
August 2005: While New Orleans is undergoing a slow motion
catastrophe, Bush mugs for the cameras, cuts a cake for John McCain,
plays the guitar for Mark Wills, delivers an address about V-J day,
and continues with his vacation. When he finally gets around to
acknowledging the scope of the unfolding disaster, he delivers only a
photo op on Air Force One and a flat, defensive, laundry list speech
in the Rose Garden.
So: A crony with no relevant experience was installed as head of FEMA.
Mitigation budgets for New Orleans were slashed even though it was
known to be one of the top three risks in the country. FEMA was
deliberately downsized as part of the Bush administration's
conservative agenda to reduce the role of government. After DHS was
created, FEMA's preparation and planning functions were taken away.
August 31, 2005

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html
FORMER CLINTON ADVISOR
"No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"
By Sidney Blumenthal
In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of
the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration
cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.
REUTERS
An aerial view of the New Orleans airport underwater.
Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left
millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to
thousands reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated
city of New Orleans has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the
damage wrought by the hurricane may not entirely be the result of an act of
nature.
A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush
administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a
flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana
Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened
and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal
Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane
striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S.,
including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal
funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was
drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding
requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent.
Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in
funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of
the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds
for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.
The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published a
series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now underwater,
reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in the
wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked
about the lack of preparation."
The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers
almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm
surge. In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands
surrounding New Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent
City and the Gulf reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no
net loss" of wetlands, a policy launched by his father's administration
and bolstered by President Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003,
unleashing the developers. The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental
Protection Agency then announced they could no longer protect wetlands
unless they were somehow related to interstate commerce.
In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental
groups conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that
without wetlands protection New Orleans could be devastated by
an ordinary, much less a Category 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's
no way to describe how mindless a policy that is when it comes
to wetlands protection," said one of the report's authors. The
chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality
dismissed the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "
Everybody loves what we're doing."

"My administration's climate change policy will be science
based," President Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002,
when the Environmental Protection Agency submitted a study
on global warming to the United Nations reflecting its expert
research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a bureaucracy,
" and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's
annual report. The next year, when the EPA issued its first
comprehensive "Report on the Environment," stating, "Climate
change has global consequences for human health and the
environment," the White House simply demanded removal of the
line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in
Scotland this year, Bush successfully stymied any common
action on global warming. Scientists, meanwhile, have
continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising
temperature of the oceans, which has produced more
severe hurricanes.
In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists,
including 20 Nobel laureates, warned in a statement,
"Restoring Scientific Integrity in Policymaking":
"Successful application of science has played a large
part in the policies that have made the United States
of America the world's most powerful nation and its
citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy ...
Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by
presidents and administrations of both parties in
forming and implementing policies. The administration
of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this
principle ... The distortion of scientific knowledge
for partisan political ends must cease." Bush
completely ignored this statement.
In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the
trumping of science by ideology and expertise by special
interests accelerated. The Federal Drug Administration
announced that it was postponing sale of the morning-after
contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific
evidence of its safety and its approval by the FDA's
scientific advisory board. The United Nations special
envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush
administration of responsibility for a condom
shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's
evangelical Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the
chief of the Bureau of Justice Statistics in the Justice
Department was ordered by the White House to delete its
study that African-Americans and other minorities are
subject to racial profiling in police traffic stops a
and he refused to buckle under, he was forced out of
his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief
oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion
no-bid contract awarded for work in Iraq to Halliburton
(the firm at which Vice President Cheney was formerly CEO),
she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings.
At the National Park Service, a former Cheney aide,
a political appointee lacking professional background,
drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices
and prohibit any mention of evolution while allowing
sale of religious materials through the Park Service.
On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered
a speech in Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War
II and himself to Franklin D. Roosevelt: "And he knew
that the best way to bring peace and stability to the
region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had
boarded his very own "Streetcar Named Desire."
Sidney Blumenthal, a former assistant and senior advisor to
President Clinton and the author of "The Clinton Wars," is
writing a column for Salon and the Guardian of London.

RELATED SPIEGEL ONLINE LINKS


He could
have started by not sending them off to fight a foreign war.


So, even if I grant the premise that the Guard in Iraq are needed, Bush
is supposed to be prescient?

I don't
think it takes a superhero to use resources the way they are meant to
be used. Americans died because of the late response, the same
Americans who the soldiers in Iraq are supposedly supposed to be
protecting.


Sorry, but that "late response" is because of the logistics problem of
getting people and large quantities of supplies into NO, not because the
people aren't available. Helicopters can only carry so much, for
everything else you need trucks and the main roads are out.

--
Xenu is around and about,
mention Hubbard, Xenu pops out!
No way for the clams to stamp Xenu out,
Xenu is around and about!
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 02 Sep 2005 10:09:57 AM
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:27:02 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<1125671223.7df89760a5793f954364712c40d8d3c6@teranews> wrote:

"defiant penguin" <Jason.Kielpinski@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1125666512.127419.250950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:276dnZ2dnZ2B9k3dnZ2dnaRlit6dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@comcast.com:


"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-DB4D6F.23334101092005@news.giganews.com...

In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which
could have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic
state theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans.


"He" who? What is "he" supposed to do? Put on his blue spandex and
fly them all down himself?



Bush used the national guard inappropriately, rendering them
unavailable when they are desperately needed in this country.


Uhh, no, he didn't.

That remains to be seen. I think I saw figures like 60% of LA guard in
Iraq. This means that the guard coming are coming from further and
have less local knowledge. And lots of their appropriate material is
in use in Iraq. As we bloody well should have learned with the
disaster of not having enough troops on the ground in Iraq, having
5,000 people on the ground on Tuesday is different from, and better
than, having 40,000 on the ground "next week". It takes lots more
effort to regain order than to keep it.

He could
have started by not sending them off to fight a foreign war.


So, even if I grant the premise that the Guard in Iraq are needed, Bush
is supposed to be prescient?

SciAm had an article on this in 2001. The Army CoE has been warning
about this for years. FEMA said this was one of their top three fears
(a terrorist attack in the U.S. and a big earthquake in CA were the
other two). It does not take prescience to listen to those who's job
is making these predictions. Ignoring the scientific side, though, is
a hallmark of this administration.

I don't
think it takes a superhero to use resources the way they are meant to
be used. Americans died because of the late response, the same
Americans who the soldiers in Iraq are supposedly supposed to be
protecting.


Sorry, but that "late response" is because of the logistics problem of
getting people and large quantities of supplies into NO, not because the
people aren't available. Helicopters can only carry so much, for
everything else you need trucks and the main roads are out.

At this point it is hard to say what is being done wrong or right.
That Canada, apparently, has offered help but has not been asked, is
wrong. That it will take until Sunday for the hospital ship to leave
Baltimore strikes me as wrong. It is certainly a logistic nightmare
and no matter what is done, people will want more. But selling off the
military's logistics to Halliburton was not a good idea. We used to
have the expertise in this kind of thing and we don't any more. It is
not all Shrub's fault, not by a long shot. But he has pushed in the
wrong direction.
--
Matt Silberstein
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Genocide is news | Be A Witness
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User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 02 Sep 2005 11:41:43 AM
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:27:02 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<1125671223.7df89760a5793f954364712c40d8d3c6@teranews> wrote:

"defiant penguin" <Jason.Kielpinski@gmail.com> wrote in
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Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-DB4D6F.23334101092005@news.giganews.com...

In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment
which could have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending
Islamic state theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans.


"He" who? What is "he" supposed to do? Put on his blue spandex and
fly them all down himself?



Bush used the national guard inappropriately, rendering them
unavailable when they are desperately needed in this country.


Uhh, no, he didn't.


That remains to be seen. I think I saw figures like 60% of LA guard in
Iraq.

It's the other way round.

This means that the guard coming are coming from further and
have less local knowledge. And lots of their appropriate material is
in use in Iraq. As we bloody well should have learned with the
disaster of not having enough troops on the ground in Iraq, having
5,000 people on the ground on Tuesday is different from, and better
than, having 40,000 on the ground "next week". It takes lots more
effort to regain order than to keep it.

Where was the Democrat governnor of Louisiana in all this? It's actually
HER responsibility to activate the Guard and request help from other
states if necessary.


He could
have started by not sending them off to fight a foreign war.


So, even if I grant the premise that the Guard in Iraq are needed,
Bush is supposed to be prescient?


SciAm had an article on this in 2001. The Army CoE has been warning
about this for years. FEMA said this was one of their top three fears
(a terrorist attack in the U.S. and a big earthquake in CA were the
other two). It does not take prescience to listen to those who's job
is making these predictions. Ignoring the scientific side, though, is
a hallmark of this administration.

Yes, and FEMA was tasked with preparing plans for the eventuality, and
they had to coordinate with 14 government agencies. By the time they
knew that Katrina would hit NO, they had less than two days left. Bush
had already declared the disaster area and they had started to mobilize
according to the plans. And they've known about the possibility for a
long time before 2001. Where was LBJ? Or Clinton? But don't get me
wrong, I have gained a great deal of respect for President Clinton since
he courageously stated the truth of the matter - that the government is
doing the best that it can and that all the nitpicking and blamecasting
is reprehensible.

I don't
think it takes a superhero to use resources the way they are meant
to be used. Americans died because of the late response, the same
Americans who the soldiers in Iraq are supposedly supposed to be
protecting.


Sorry, but that "late response" is because of the logistics problem of
getting people and large quantities of supplies into NO, not because
the people aren't available. Helicopters can only carry so much, for
everything else you need trucks and the main roads are out.


At this point it is hard to say what is being done wrong or right.
That Canada, apparently, has offered help but has not been asked, is
wrong. That it will take until Sunday for the hospital ship to leave
Baltimore strikes me as wrong.

Do you have any idea what it takes to get a ship like that ready to
sail? Just loading perishable items takes time and they can't just be
kept in stock.

It is certainly a logistic nightmare
and no matter what is done, people will want more. But selling off the
military's logistics to Halliburton was not a good idea. We used to
have the expertise in this kind of thing and we don't any more. It is
not all Shrub's fault, not by a long shot. But he has pushed in the
wrong direction.

They still have the expertise. The contractors know what they're doing.
It still takes time. The military couldn't possibly keep everything on
standby for an operation like this, even if they weren't busy in Iraq.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
.



User: "WCB"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 02 Sep 2005 04:15:57 PM
defiant penguin wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:276dnZ2dnZ2B9k3dnZ2dnaRlit6dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@comcast.com:


"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-DB4D6F.23334101092005@news.giganews.com...

In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which
could have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic
state theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans.


"He" who? What is "he" supposed to do? Put on his blue spandex and fly
them all down himself?



Bush used the national guard inappropriately, rendering them
unavailable when they are desperately needed in this country. He could
have started by not sending them off to fight a foreign war. I don't
think it takes a superhero to use resources the way they are meant to
be used. Americans died because of the late response, the same
Americans who the soldiers in Iraq are supposedly supposed to be
protecting.

Its not just that. He gutted FEMA. FEMA is supposed to plan for such
problems. But cannot because Bush gutted it. Why are there no
responses to the problems now occuring in NO?
Because there was nobody to plan for these problems.
FEMA was demoted from cabinet status to a sub-section
of anti-terrorism nonsense. It was stripped of money, budget
and has been made a mockery of what it once was.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/
CHRONOLOGY....Here's a timeline that outlines the fate of both FEMA
and flood control projects in New Orleans under the Bush
administration. Read it and weep:
January 2001: Bush appoints Joe Allbaugh, a crony from Texas, as head
of FEMA. Allbaugh has no previous experience in disaster management.
April 2001: Budget Director Mitch Daniels announces the Bush
administration's goal of privatizing much of FEMA's work. In May,
Allbaugh confirms that FEMA will be downsized: "Many are concerned
that federal disaster assistance may have evolved into both an
oversized entitlement program...." he said. "Expectations of when the
federal government should be involved and the degree of involvement
may have ballooned beyond what is an appropriate level."
2001: FEMA designates a major hurricane hitting New Orleans as one of
the three "likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this
country."
December 2002: After less than two years at FEMA, Allbaugh announces
he is leaving to start up a consulting firm that advises companies
seeking to do business in Iraq. He is succeeded by his deputy, Michael
Brown, who, like Allbaugh, has no previous experience in disaster
management.
March 2003: FEMA is downgraded from a cabinet level position and
folded into the Department of Homeland Security. Its mission is
refocused on fighting acts of terrorism.
2003: Under its new organization chart within DHS, FEMA's preparation
and planning functions are reassigned to a new Office of Preparedness
and Response. FEMA will henceforth focus only on response and
recovery.
Summer 2004: FEMA denies Louisiana's pre-disaster mitigation funding
requests. Says Jefferson Parish flood zone manager Tom Rodrigue: "You
would think we would get maximum consideration....This is what the
grant program called for. We were more than qualified for it."
June 2004: The Army Corps of Engineers budget for levee construction
in New Orleans is slashed. Jefferson Parish emergency management
chiefs Walter Maestri comments: "It appears that the money has been
moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the
war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay."
June 2005: Funding for the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps
of Engineers is cut by a record $71.2 million. One of the hardest-hit
areas is the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, which
was created after the May 1995 flood to improve drainage in Jefferson,
Orleans and St. Tammany parishes.
August 2005: While New Orleans is undergoing a slow motion
catastrophe, Bush mugs for the cameras, cuts a cake for John McCain,
plays the guitar for Mark Wills, delivers an address about V-J day,
and continues with his vacation. When he finally gets around to
acknowledging the scope of the unfolding disaster, he delivers only a
photo op on Air Force One and a flat, defensive, laundry list speech
in the Rose Garden.
So: A crony with no relevant experience was installed as head of FEMA.
Mitigation budgets for New Orleans were slashed even though it was
known to be one of the top three risks in the country. FEMA was
deliberately downsized as part of the Bush administration's
conservative agenda to reduce the role of government. After DHS was
created, FEMA's preparation and planning functions were taken away.
--
Xenu is around and about,
mention Hubbard, Xenu pops out!
No way for the clams to stamp Xenu out,
Xenu is around and about!
Cheerful Charlie
.



User: "johac"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 03 Sep 2005 02:28:21 AM
In article <276dnZ2dnZ2B9k3dnZ2dnaRlit6dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-DB4D6F.23334101092005@news.giganews.com...

In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which could
have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic state
theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans. For crying out loud, the looters are taking over
the city! They've already killed one cop and they're
shooting at rescuers.

--

Four days seems excessive. By last Saturday it was evident that New
Orleans was likely to be hit hard. Why wasn't the National Guard and the
others put on alert?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 10 Sep 2005 06:07:49 PM
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 00:28:21 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <276dnZ2dnZ2B9k3dnZ2dnaRlit6dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-DB4D6F.23334101092005@news.giganews.com...

In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which could
have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic state
theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans. For crying out loud, the looters are taking over
the city! They've already killed one cop and they're
shooting at rescuers.

--

Four days seems excessive. By last Saturday it was evident that New
Orleans was likely to be hit hard. Why wasn't the National Guard and the
others put on alert?

What! Shrub and others were on fucking holiday. You can't expect
them to do anything but ***** up!
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.

User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 03 Sep 2005 08:50:35 AM
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-DAD810.00282103092005@news.giganews.com:

In article <276dnZ2dnZ2B9k3dnZ2dnaRlit6dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-DB4D6F.23334101092005@news.giganews.com...

In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which
could have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic
state theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans. For crying out loud, the looters are taking over
the city! They've already killed one cop and they're
shooting at rescuers.

--


Four days seems excessive. By last Saturday it was evident that New
Orleans was likely to be hit hard. Why wasn't the National Guard and
the others put on alert?

They were. They were alerted before the storm made landfall.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
.
User: "defiant penguin"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 03 Sep 2005 09:51:17 AM
Fred Stone wrote:

johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-DAD810.00282103092005@news.giganews.com:

In article <276dnZ2dnZ2B9k3dnZ2dnaRlit6dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-DB4D6F.23334101092005@news.giganews.com...

In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which
could have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic
state theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans. For crying out loud, the looters are taking over
the city! They've already killed one cop and they're
shooting at rescuers.

--


Four days seems excessive. By last Saturday it was evident that New
Orleans was likely to be hit hard. Why wasn't the National Guard and
the others put on alert?


They were. They were alerted before the storm made landfall.

Do you think that the response to this disaster was satisfactory?

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it'd be, 'We can do
better.'
- Howard Dean

.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 03 Sep 2005 10:29:02 AM
"defiant penguin" <Jason.Kielpinski@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1125759077.451998.173260@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:


Fred Stone wrote:

johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-DAD810.00282103092005@news.giganews.com:

In article <276dnZ2dnZ2B9k3dnZ2dnaRlit6dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-DB4D6F.23334101092005@news.giganews.com...

In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which
could have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic
state theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans. For crying out loud, the looters are taking over
the city! They've already killed one cop and they're
shooting at rescuers.

--


Four days seems excessive. By last Saturday it was evident that New
Orleans was likely to be hit hard. Why wasn't the National Guard and
the others put on alert?


They were. They were alerted before the storm made landfall.


Do you think that the response to this disaster was satisfactory?

The problem was at the local and state level in Louisiana. Mississippi and
Alabama aren't having the same sort of trouble as Louisiana, and it's not
because they're red states versus blue.
The first-responders in New Orleans didn't follow their own disaster plan.
Mayor Nagin blew off the evacuation order until Monday morning, and then
made a very lackadaisical announcement on the TV. He didn't commandeer city
buses for transport, even after the Governor ordered him to make the
evacuation order mandatory. He had people sent to the Superdome and the
Convention Center and then didn't bother to send police there.
http://billhobbs.com/hobbsonline/007188.html
http://junkyardblog.net/
The facts are coming to light. All the media howling about the "slow"
federal response won't cover up the fact that the locals and the state were
primarily responsible for the response immediately after the storm hit.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
.


User: "johac"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 04 Sep 2005 01:11:11 AM
In article <1125755436.9c3856c3286be70d65c31b5824f6de8b@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-DAD810.00282103092005@news.giganews.com:

In article <276dnZ2dnZ2B9k3dnZ2dnaRlit6dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-DB4D6F.23334101092005@news.giganews.com...

In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment which
could have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending Islamic
state theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans. For crying out loud, the looters are taking over
the city! They've already killed one cop and they're
shooting at rescuers.

--


Four days seems excessive. By last Saturday it was evident that New
Orleans was likely to be hit hard. Why wasn't the National Guard and
the others put on alert?


They were. They were alerted before the storm made landfall.

Even if they were alerted, they didn't receive the go ahead yntil days
after the flooding, some as late as Thursday:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5253757,00.html
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 04 Sep 2005 08:03:02 AM
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-A73B91.23111103092005@news.giganews.com:

In article <1125755436.9c3856c3286be70d65c31b5824f6de8b@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-DAD810.00282103092005@news.giganews.com:

In article
<276dnZ2dnZ2B9k3dnZ2dnaRlit6dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-DB4D6F.23334101092005@news.giganews.com...

In article <nNydnfzHxaIMMoreRVn-3w@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7131

Bush hates America and Americans. That's a certainty.


Not only the money, but the National Guard and its equipment
which could have helped the survivors is over in Iraq defending
Islamic state theocracy.


Exactly. And, he's taking his sweet time about getting
the National Guard that are left here down to New
Orleans. For crying out loud, the looters are taking over
the city! They've already killed one cop and they're
shooting at rescuers.

--


Four days seems excessive. By last Saturday it was evident that New
Orleans was likely to be hit hard. Why wasn't the National Guard
and the others put on alert?


They were. They were alerted before the storm made landfall.


Even if they were alerted, they didn't receive the go ahead yntil days
after the flooding, some as late as Thursday:

They have to coordinate with local authorities. They're prohibited by
law from just moving in and taking on police duties.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5253757,00.html

That article just barely hints at the legal requirements of coordination
with FEMA. Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco should have had people in
contact with FEMA before the thing even began. *IF* they did, then FEMA
dropped the ball.
I heard at least one LA congressman making excuses about communications
and "filing the proper forms", so I rather doubt that the locals were
doing their jobs.
Bush *could* just bully his way in and take over, but you'd be giving
him hell for that if he had.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
.
User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: Money That Was Supposed to Go to New Orleans to Rebuild Levees Was Used For Phony War 04 Sep 2005 01:11:57 PM
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125838982.81b84863eda747d1ba0b45a920b19726@teranews...

johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-A73B91.23111103092005@news.giganews.com:

In article <1125755436.9c3856c3286be70d65c31b5824f6de8b@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-DAD810.00282103092005@news.giganews.com:

In article
<276dnZ2dnZ2B9k3dnZ2dnaRlit6dnZ2dRVn-0J2dnZ0@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote: