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"Doc Smartass" |
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01 Sep 2007 06:35:11 PM |
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Moon Doubter at Stennis... |
Last weekend I took a road trip out to Stennis Space Center (Mississippi,
just north of Port St. Louis) and Michoud (New Orleans; thanks to a post
in sci.space.history, I found out there was a Saturn V first stage on
display at Michoud). Long story short, this was my second successful trip
to Stennis (first trip in December '06, I missed the last bleedin' tour
bus) and the first with a _working_ camcorder. I had the thing running
while I wandered around the engines and mock-up rockets in the museum
yard (one shuttle main engine, a J-2, an H-1, and the mighty mighty F-1;
a mocked-up Saturn V and Saturn IB and a real Jupiter C).
While I was orbiting the F-1, this guy I'd seen at the sign-in desk at
the Visitor Center came over. He works at Stennis, but I never found out
in which capacity. We did some small talk--he was wondering about the
lack of safety wired bolts on the shuttle engine display, I wondered if
the bird nest up in the F-1's piping was flight-rated.
We came around to the mount end of the engine. My trusty new camcorder
got the following exchange:
Doc Smartass (looking up at the maze of pipes and fittings): The most
amazing thing to me is people who claim that this is all fake
Stennis Guy: *laughing*
DS: ...you get up close to something like this and...why would they spend
all that money building _this_ if it was fake?
SG: To me, I think uh the "landing on the moon" part was suspect. The
actual going into space, now, I can handle, it's just the whole
landing...you know what I mean? I've been working on aircraft--I've been
working on automatic pilot systems for three years in the Air Force and
computers for the last...I don't know how many years. But I do know we
can recreate a lot of stuff in a lab environment and it looks real.
*laughs* So... *wanders off*
Heh. Everywhere you go...
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Moon Doubter at Stennis... |
02 Sep 2007 03:49:28 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:35:11 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
SG: To me, I think uh the "landing on the moon" part was suspect. The
actual going into space, now, I can handle, it's just the whole
landing...you know what I mean? I've been working on aircraft--I've been
working on automatic pilot systems for three years in the Air Force and
computers for the last...I don't know how many years. But I do know we
can recreate a lot of stuff in a lab environment and it looks real.
*laughs* So... *wanders off*
Heh. Everywhere you go...
We landed radio equipment on the moon to fake a landing? (Trust me -
a 4X36 element circular array pointed at the moon is getting
transmissions from the moon, not from over the horizon on the earth.)
I guess if you believe in gods you'll believe anything.
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| User: "BradGuth" |
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05 Sep 2007 07:41:21 AM |
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On Sep 1, 8:49 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:35:11 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
SG: To me, I think uh the "landing on themoon" part was suspect. The
actual going into space, now, I can handle, it's just the whole
landing...you know what I mean? I've been working on aircraft--I've been
working on automatic pilot systems for three years in the Air Force and
computers for the last...I don't know how many years. But I do know we
can recreate a lot of stuff in a lab environment and it looks real.
*laughs* So... *wanders off*
Heh. Everywhere you go...
We landed radio equipment on themoonto fake a landing? (Trust me -
a 4X36 element circular array pointed at themoonis getting
transmissions from themoon, not from over the horizon on the earth.)
I guess if you believe in gods you'll believe anything.
The moon's L1 is just as good, if not better. Think "chapel bell S
Band transponder" that's always within a tenth of a degree of wherever
that signal needed to be. Of whatever's on the surface is mostly part
of a new crater. At best, a one-way robotic hard landing was doable,
unless it subsequently shank itself out of sight.
- Brad Guth -
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Moon Doubter at Stennis... |
06 Sep 2007 01:38:07 AM |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:41:21 -0000, BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sep 1, 8:49 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:35:11 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
SG: To me, I think uh the "landing on themoon" part was suspect. The
actual going into space, now, I can handle, it's just the whole
landing...you know what I mean? I've been working on aircraft--I've been
working on automatic pilot systems for three years in the Air Force and
computers for the last...I don't know how many years. But I do know we
can recreate a lot of stuff in a lab environment and it looks real.
*laughs* So... *wanders off*
Heh. Everywhere you go...
We landed radio equipment on themoonto fake a landing? (Trust me -
a 4X36 element circular array pointed at themoonis getting
transmissions from themoon, not from over the horizon on the earth.)
I guess if you believe in gods you'll believe anything.
The moon's L1 is just as good, if not better. Think "chapel bell S
Band transponder" that's always within a tenth of a degree of wherever
that signal needed to be. Of whatever's on the surface is mostly part
of a new crater. At best, a one-way robotic hard landing was doable
That robot sure was chatty. Sounded just like the people who were
supposed to be up there. Even the suit-to-suit conversations that
were never relayed to Earth - now why would they fake those?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Moon Doubter at Stennis... |
01 Sep 2007 06:53:12 PM |
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On Sep 1, 2:35 pm, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
Last weekend I took a road trip out to Stennis Space Center (Mississippi,
just north of Port St. Louis) and Michoud (New Orleans; thanks to a post
in sci.space.history, I found out there was a Saturn V first stage on
display at Michoud).
According to ApSatRef, that was originally scheduled as flight
hardware for Apollo 20. She's the real deal.
http://www.apollosaturn.com/otherhw.htm
Long story short, this was my second successful trip
to Stennis (first trip in December '06, I missed the last bleedin' tour
bus) and the first with a _working_ camcorder. I had the thing running
while I wandered around the engines and mock-up rockets in the museum
yard (one shuttle main engine, a J-2, an H-1, and the mighty mighty F-1;
a mocked-up Saturn V and Saturn IB and a real Jupiter C).
While I was orbiting the F-1, this guy I'd seen at the sign-in desk at
the Visitor Center came over. He works at Stennis, but I never found out
in which capacity. We did some small talk--he was wondering about the
lack of safety wired bolts on the shuttle engine display, I wondered if
the bird nest up in the F-1's piping was flight-rated.
We came around to the mount end of the engine. My trusty new camcorder
got the following exchange:
Doc Smartass (looking up at the maze of pipes and fittings): The most
amazing thing to me is people who claim that this is all fake
Stennis Guy: *laughing*
DS: ...you get up close to something like this and...why would they spend
all that money building _this_ if it was fake?
SG: To me, I think uh the "landing on the moon" part was suspect. The
actual going into space, now, I can handle, it's just the whole
landing...you know what I mean? I've been working on aircraft--I've been
working on automatic pilot systems for three years in the Air Force and
computers for the last...I don't know how many years. But I do know we
can recreate a lot of stuff in a lab environment and it looks real.
*laughs* So... *wanders off*
Heh. Everywhere you go...
Good grief. A moon hoaxer on the grounds where part of the thing was
*built*. He should be happy I'm not the curator there. "Security,
throw the bum out!" Smug little bastards, ain't they? One day we'll
have telescopes strong enough to show the artifacts on the surface,
and the morons will say *those* were fakes. Grr.
Doc, if you ever get the chance, go see the one at KSC. They dragged
it off the lawn, restored it, and built a fantastic museum around it.
Last time I had seen it was in the mid `80s when my aunt retired from
NASA. Sun-bleached, peeling, and kinda sad. First time I saw the
restoration I almost cried-it's that beautiful.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Moon Doubter at Stennis... |
02 Sep 2007 04:47:23 AM |
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wrote in
news:1188672792.551382.240910@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 1, 2:35 pm, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
Last weekend I took a road trip out to Stennis Space Center
(Mississippi, just north of Port St. Louis) and Michoud (New Orleans;
thanks to a post in sci.space.history, I found out there was a Saturn
V first stage on display at Michoud).
According to ApSatRef, that was originally scheduled as flight
hardware for Apollo 20. She's the real deal.
http://www.apollosaturn.com/otherhw.htm
Yup. Last one built.
I could see it 1/4 mile up the road, towering above passing cars even
lying on its side.
Long story short, this was my second successful trip
to Stennis (first trip in December '06, I missed the last bleedin'
tour bus) and the first with a _working_ camcorder. I had the thing
running while I wandered around the engines and mock-up rockets in
the museum yard (one shuttle main engine, a J-2, an H-1, and the
mighty mighty F-1; a mocked-up Saturn V and Saturn IB and a real
Jupiter C).
While I was orbiting the F-1, this guy I'd seen at the sign-in desk
at the Visitor Center came over. He works at Stennis, but I never
found out in which capacity. We did some small talk--he was wondering
about the lack of safety wired bolts on the shuttle engine display, I
wondered if the bird nest up in the F-1's piping was flight-rated.
We came around to the mount end of the engine. My trusty new
camcorder got the following exchange:
Doc Smartass (looking up at the maze of pipes and fittings): The most
amazing thing to me is people who claim that this is all fake
Stennis Guy: *laughing*
DS: ...you get up close to something like this and...why would they
spend all that money building _this_ if it was fake?
SG: To me, I think uh the "landing on the moon" part was suspect. The
actual going into space, now, I can handle, it's just the whole
landing...you know what I mean? I've been working on aircraft--I've
been working on automatic pilot systems for three years in the Air
Force and computers for the last...I don't know how many years. But I
do know we can recreate a lot of stuff in a lab environment and it
looks real. *laughs* So... *wanders off*
Heh. Everywhere you go...
Good grief. A moon hoaxer on the grounds where part of the thing was
*built*.
Stennis is where they were tested; Michoud is where they were built.
</pedant>
Still...yeah. Not just a hoaxer, but an employee.
He should be happy I'm not the curator there. "Security,
throw the bum out!" Smug little bastards, ain't they? One day we'll
have telescopes strong enough to show the artifacts on the surface,
and the morons will say *those* were fakes. Grr.
There's one goofball in sci.space.history who (IIRC) says it was all
robot craft that landed on the moon, since human DNA couldn't survive the
radiation in space--and neither could film for the cameras, so all the
film photos are faked as well. *snort*
Doc, if you ever get the chance, go see the one at KSC. They dragged
it off the lawn, restored it, and built a fantastic museum around it.
Last time I had seen it was in the mid `80s when my aunt retired from
NASA. Sun-bleached, peeling, and kinda sad. First time I saw the
restoration I almost cried-it's that beautiful.
It's on my wish list, along with Houston and Huntsville.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Moon Doubter at Stennis... |
02 Sep 2007 06:40:13 AM |
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 04:47:23 GMT there was an Ancient Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
According to ApSatRef, that was originally scheduled as flight
hardware for Apollo 20. She's the real deal.
http://www.apollosaturn.com/otherhw.htm
Yup. Last one built.
I could see it 1/4 mile up the road, towering above passing cars even
lying on its side.
One of the saddest things I ever saw. This magnificent machine, built
to rip us free of our home world so we could begin to explore space,
one of the most powerful forces ever harnessed, lying on its side,
rusting. Because America got bored and Congress cut the funds.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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04 Sep 2007 01:24:01 AM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:bjmkd391u176pqcg9bobcnj8v06pu1pl00@4ax.com:
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 04:47:23 GMT there was an Ancient Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
According to ApSatRef, that was originally scheduled as flight
hardware for Apollo 20. She's the real deal.
http://www.apollosaturn.com/otherhw.htm
Yup. Last one built.
I could see it 1/4 mile up the road, towering above passing cars even
lying on its side.
One of the saddest things I ever saw. This magnificent machine, built
to rip us free of our home world so we could begin to explore space,
one of the most powerful forces ever harnessed, lying on its side,
rusting. Because America got bored and Congress cut the funds.
*nod* I'd like to see it moved at least to Stennis as part of their
museum display. Granted, the beast survived 100-plus-mile per hour winds
from Hurricane Katrina, and looks damn good for all that, but it really
needs to be indoors.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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05 Sep 2007 01:06:49 AM |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:24:01 GMT there was an Ancient Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:bjmkd391u176pqcg9bobcnj8v06pu1pl00@4ax.com:
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 04:47:23 GMT there was an Ancient Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
According to ApSatRef, that was originally scheduled as flight
hardware for Apollo 20. She's the real deal.
http://www.apollosaturn.com/otherhw.htm
Yup. Last one built.
I could see it 1/4 mile up the road, towering above passing cars even
lying on its side.
One of the saddest things I ever saw. This magnificent machine, built
to rip us free of our home world so we could begin to explore space,
one of the most powerful forces ever harnessed, lying on its side,
rusting. Because America got bored and Congress cut the funds.
*nod* I'd like to see it moved at least to Stennis as part of their
museum display. Granted, the beast survived 100-plus-mile per hour winds
from Hurricane Katrina, and looks damn good for all that, but it really
needs to be indoors.
We got to see the Liberty Bell 7 capsule when it came around on tour.
My wife had a good laugh as she saw me try to enter History Geek and
Space Geek modes simultaniously, and nearly explode.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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13 Sep 2007 11:27:28 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:460sd3ht7homh9lg7gc7fda5l3frm8okc8@4ax.com:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:24:01 GMT there was an Ancient Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:bjmkd391u176pqcg9bobcnj8v06pu1pl00@4ax.com:
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 04:47:23 GMT there was an Ancient Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
According to ApSatRef, that was originally scheduled as flight
hardware for Apollo 20. She's the real deal.
http://www.apollosaturn.com/otherhw.htm
Yup. Last one built.
I could see it 1/4 mile up the road, towering above passing cars even
lying on its side.
One of the saddest things I ever saw. This magnificent machine, built
to rip us free of our home world so we could begin to explore space,
one of the most powerful forces ever harnessed, lying on its side,
rusting. Because America got bored and Congress cut the funds.
*nod* I'd like to see it moved at least to Stennis as part of their
museum display. Granted, the beast survived 100-plus-mile per hour
winds
from Hurricane Katrina, and looks damn good for all that, but it really
needs to be indoors.
We got to see the Liberty Bell 7 capsule when it came around on tour.
My wife had a good laugh as she saw me try to enter History Geek and
Space Geek modes simultaniously, and nearly explode.
I wish they'd bring stuff like that close enough to my town where I could
go see it. About all Pensacola's got is one of the Skylab Command Modules
(SL #2, I think), a moon buggy, and a few space suits. Our Mercury
capsule is a mock-up.
Still...the Saturn V model the Museum of Naval Aviation has on display is
really good for a laugh, considering how badly-painted it is--sloppy as
hell. Sad thing is, I doubt most people walking past even notice.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Sep 2007 03:07:09 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:06:49 -0700, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:24:01 GMT there was an Ancient Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:bjmkd391u176pqcg9bobcnj8v06pu1pl00@4ax.com:
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 04:47:23 GMT there was an Ancient Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
According to ApSatRef, that was originally scheduled as flight
hardware for Apollo 20. She's the real deal.
http://www.apollosaturn.com/otherhw.htm
Yup. Last one built.
I could see it 1/4 mile up the road, towering above passing cars even
lying on its side.
One of the saddest things I ever saw. This magnificent machine, built
to rip us free of our home world so we could begin to explore space,
one of the most powerful forces ever harnessed, lying on its side,
rusting. Because America got bored and Congress cut the funds.
*nod* I'd like to see it moved at least to Stennis as part of their
museum display. Granted, the beast survived 100-plus-mile per hour winds
from Hurricane Katrina, and looks damn good for all that, but it really
needs to be indoors.
We got to see the Liberty Bell 7 capsule when it came around on tour.
My wife had a good laugh as she saw me try to enter History Geek and
Space Geek modes simultaniously, and nearly explode.
Hehehehehe. I saw the Apollo 11 capsule when it went on tour. A few
years ago I saw, I think it was Friendship 7, when it was part of the
Smithsonian touring exhibit. It was quite interesting to see the
control panel was made from the same steel we used when building
custom induction/forging equipment. The toggle switches were standard
military stuff probably double-pole double-throw. Very very tough
switches.
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| User: "BradGuth" |
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| Title: Re: Moon Doubter at Stennis... |
05 Sep 2007 07:31:39 AM |
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On Sep 1, 9:47 pm, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
There's one goofball in sci.space.history who (IIRC) says it was all
robot craft that landed on the moon, since human DNA couldn't survive the
radiation in space--and neither could film for the cameras, so all the
film photos are faked as well. *snort*
That's me - Brad Guth - and I'm right about that physically dark and
nasty moon being X-ray and gamma saturated past the multi-hundred rad
point of no return, at least not without a bloody host of steroids and
each of their banked bone marrow standing by. Sorry about that.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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06 Sep 2007 02:07:10 AM |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:31:39 -0000 there was an Ancient BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Sep 1, 9:47 pm, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
There's one goofball in sci.space.history who (IIRC) says it was all
robot craft that landed on the moon, since human DNA couldn't survive the
radiation in space--and neither could film for the cameras, so all the
film photos are faked as well. *snort*
That's me - Brad Guth - and I'm right about that physically dark and
nasty moon being X-ray and gamma saturated past the multi-hundred rad
point of no return, at least not without a bloody host of steroids and
each of their banked bone marrow standing by. Sorry about that.
Never mind the *facts* that counter your every insane post.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Moon Doubter at Stennis... |
04 Sep 2007 01:40:41 AM |
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On Sep 2, 12:47 am, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote innews:1188672792.551382.240910@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 1, 2:35 pm, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
snip
Stennis is where they were tested; Michoud is where they were built.
</pedant>
Holy cow. You're right. The memory is the first thing to go. As an
apology, please accept this photo of a Pregnant Guppy on the tarmac at
Dryden.
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Photo/Guppy/Small/E62-8887.jpg
Did you get to see an engine test while you were there?
Still...yeah. Not just a hoaxer, but an employee.
He should be happy I'm not the curator there. "Security,
throw the bum out!" Smug little bastards, ain't they? One day we'll
have telescopes strong enough to show the artifacts on the surface,
and the morons will say *those* were fakes. Grr.
There's one goofball in sci.space.history who (IIRC) says it was all
robot craft that landed on the moon, since human DNA couldn't survive the
radiation in space--and neither could film for the cameras, so all the
film photos are faked as well. *snort*
Incredible. The most significant technical achievement of the 20th
century, and they don't *want* it to be true. There is no poetry in
these people's souls (if you'll forgive the metaphor <g>).
Doc, if you ever get the chance, go see the one at KSC. They dragged
it off the lawn, restored it, and built a fantastic museum around it.
Last time I had seen it was in the mid `80s when my aunt retired from
NASA. Sun-bleached, peeling, and kinda sad. First time I saw the
restoration I almost cried-it's that beautiful.
It's on my wish list, along with Houston and Huntsville.
Huntsville rocks. My local NAR section made the trip when the National
Sport Launch was in Huntsville (maybe `99? October Sky had just come
out and I met Homer Hickam on that trip too).
-PF, etc.
ad astra!
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06 Sep 2007 01:06:02 AM |
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wrote in
news:1188870041.779030.130100@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 2, 12:47 am, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote
innews:1188672792.551382.240910@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 1, 2:35 pm, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
snip
Stennis is where they were tested; Michoud is where they were built.
</pedant>
Holy cow. You're right. The memory is the first thing to go. As an
apology, please accept this photo of a Pregnant Guppy on the tarmac at
Dryden.
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Photo/Guppy/Small/E62-8887.jpg
Did you get to see an engine test while you were there?
Nope; I'm going to find out how to get in on that, though. There was a
test of the "Aerospike" engine a few days after my first visit, but I
couldn't get back to see it :/
Still...yeah. Not just a hoaxer, but an employee.
He should be happy I'm not the curator there. "Security,
throw the bum out!" Smug little bastards, ain't they? One day we'll
have telescopes strong enough to show the artifacts on the surface,
and the morons will say *those* were fakes. Grr.
There's one goofball in sci.space.history who (IIRC) says it was all
robot craft that landed on the moon, since human DNA couldn't survive
the radiation in space--and neither could film for the cameras, so
all the film photos are faked as well. *snort*
Incredible. The most significant technical achievement of the 20th
century, and they don't *want* it to be true. There is no poetry in
these people's souls (if you'll forgive the metaphor <g>).
No flame in their hearts!
They suck.
Doc, if you ever get the chance, go see the one at KSC. They
dragged it off the lawn, restored it, and built a fantastic museum
around it. Last time I had seen it was in the mid `80s when my aunt
retired from NASA. Sun-bleached, peeling, and kinda sad. First time
I saw the restoration I almost cried-it's that beautiful.
It's on my wish list, along with Houston and Huntsville.
Huntsville rocks. My local NAR section made the trip when the National
Sport Launch was in Huntsville (maybe `99? October Sky had just come
out and I met Homer Hickam on that trip too).
So Huntsville Rocketed!
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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06 Sep 2007 01:11:29 AM |
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wrote in
news:1188870041.779030.130100@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 2, 12:47 am, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote
innews:1188672792.551382.240910@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 1, 2:35 pm, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
snip
Stennis is where they were tested; Michoud is where they were built.
</pedant>
Holy cow. You're right. The memory is the first thing to go. As an
apology, please accept this photo of a Pregnant Guppy on the tarmac at
Dryden.
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Photo/Guppy/Small/E62-8887.jpg
Wonder what the gestation period is for one of those.
Are they still flying any?
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Moon Doubter at Stennis... |
19 Sep 2007 03:09:24 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 01:11:29 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
panamfloyd@hotmail.com wrote in
news:1188870041.779030.130100@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 2, 12:47 am, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote
innews:1188672792.551382.240910@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 1, 2:35 pm, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
snip
Stennis is where they were tested; Michoud is where they were built.
</pedant>
Holy cow. You're right. The memory is the first thing to go. As an
apology, please accept this photo of a Pregnant Guppy on the tarmac at
Dryden.
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Photo/Guppy/Small/E62-8887.jpg
Wonder what the gestation period is for one of those.
Undetermined.
Are they still flying any?
They all 'flew the coop.'
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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04 Sep 2007 03:45:17 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:40:41 -0700, wrote:
On Sep 2, 12:47 am, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote innews:1188672792.551382.240910@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 1, 2:35 pm, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
snip
Stennis is where they were tested; Michoud is where they were built.
</pedant>
Holy cow. You're right. The memory is the first thing to go. As an
apology, please accept this photo of a Pregnant Guppy on the tarmac at
Dryden.
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Photo/Guppy/Small/E62-8887.jpg
We used to see Super Guppies (turboprop version of the Pregnant Guppy)
at Manchester, carrying the wings for the European Airbus to Toulouse.
These were made in the BAE factory at Hawarden, in North Wales but the
runway there wasn't long enough for it so they taken by road as an
oversized load to Ringway.
These days Airbus Skylink use a plane called the Beluga, which is a
"guppy-ised" A300, which can operate from the shorter runway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A300-600ST_1_New_Colour.JPG
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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02 Sep 2007 07:44:59 AM |
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On Sep 1, 2:35 pm, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com>
wrote:
Last weekend I took a road trip out to Stennis Space Center (Mississippi,
just north of Port St. Louis) and Michoud (New Orleans; thanks to a post
in sci.space.history, I found out there was a Saturn V first stage on
display at Michoud). Long story short, this was my second successful trip
to Stennis (first trip in December '06, I missed the last bleedin' tour
bus) and the first with a _working_ camcorder. I had the thing running
while I wandered around the engines and mock-up rockets in the museum
yard (one shuttle main engine, a J-2, an H-1, and the mighty mighty F-1;
a mocked-up Saturn V and Saturn IB and a real Jupiter C).
While I was orbiting the F-1, this guy I'd seen at the sign-in desk at
the Visitor Center came over. He works at Stennis, but I never found out
in which capacity. We did some small talk--he was wondering about the
lack of safety wired bolts on the shuttle engine display, I wondered if
the bird nest up in the F-1's piping was flight-rated.
We came around to the mount end of the engine. My trusty new camcorder
got the following exchange:
Doc Smartass (looking up at the maze of pipes and fittings): The most
amazing thing to me is people who claim that this is all fake
Stennis Guy: *laughing*
DS: ...you get up close to something like this and...why would they spend
all that money building _this_ if it was fake?
SG: To me, I think uh the "landing on the moon" part was suspect. The
actual going into space, now, I can handle, it's just the whole
landing...you know what I mean? I've been working on aircraft--I've been
working on automatic pilot systems for three years in the Air Force and
computers for the last...I don't know how many years. But I do know we
can recreate a lot of stuff in a lab environment and it looks real.
*laughs* So... *wanders off*
Heh. Everywhere you go...
What made it impossible? My impression at the time (8 years old)
was that I couldn't figure what was the big deal; I'd seen moon
landings
done in sci-fi movies.
Why is it that the new Orion moonship is based largely on Apollo
if the Apollo landings were faked?
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| User: "Randy Day" |
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02 Sep 2007 02:34:33 PM |
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Father Haskell wrote:
[snip]
What made it impossible? My impression at the time (8 years old)
was that I couldn't figure what was the big deal; I'd seen moon
landings
done in sci-fi movies.
Why is it that the new Orion moonship is based largely on Apollo
if the Apollo landings were faked?
Heh. Too easy.
'Since the Apollo landings were faked, why not
use the same faked props for the next faked
landing?'
You can't beat the Conspiracy Theorist conspiracy!
Or is that 'No one expects the...'
--
R
Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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| User: "BradGuth" |
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| Title: Re: Moon Doubter at Stennis... |
05 Sep 2007 07:44:18 AM |
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On Sep 2, 7:34 am, Randy Day <randy....@shaw.cax> wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
[snip]
What made it impossible? My impression at the time (8 years old)
was that I couldn't figure what was the big deal; I'd seenmoon
landings
done in sci-fi movies.
Why is it that the new Orion moonship is based largely onApollo
if theApollolandings were faked?
Heh. Too easy.
'Since theApollolandings were faked, why not
use the same faked props for the next faked
landing?'
You can't beat the Conspiracy Theorist conspiracy!
Or is that 'No one expects the...'
Lies beget lies, at least until each of them NASA/Apollo cows come
home, or their fat lady sings.
- Brad Guth -
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