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"J Young" |
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29 Mar 2005 06:03:09 AM |
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Morality |
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society. The
teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
Judeo/Christian principles have been demonized. Abhorant lifestyles and
behavior are now labeled "alternative". Abortion, drug abuse,
alcoholism, divorce, STD's, youth gangs, and an overall disrespect for
the concept of family and authority have become an accepted norm.
Liberalism has been given it's opportunity and it has failed. Decency
and morality need to once again be the foundation that we use to raise
our children and run our government. Let us once again be "One nation
under God" (or at least start acting like it).
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
29 Mar 2005 06:43:03 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said:
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society. The
teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
Judeo/Christian principles have been demonized. Abhorant lifestyles and
behavior are now labeled "alternative". Abortion, drug abuse,
alcoholism, divorce, STD's, youth gangs, and an overall disrespect for
the concept of family and authority have become an accepted norm.
Liberalism has been given it's opportunity and it has failed. Decency
and morality need to once again be the foundation that we use to raise
our children and run our government. Let us once again be "One nation
under God" (or at least start acting like it).
"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in
place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room;
they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their
food and tyrannize their teachers."
(Socrates, 5th Century BC)
Jim07D5
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| User: "George" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
30 Mar 2005 06:15:00 AM |
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"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said:
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society. The
teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
Judeo/Christian principles have been demonized. Abhorant lifestyles and
behavior are now labeled "alternative". Abortion, drug abuse,
alcoholism, divorce, STD's, youth gangs, and an overall disrespect for
the concept of family and authority have become an accepted norm.
Liberalism has been given it's opportunity and it has failed. Decency
and morality need to once again be the foundation that we use to raise
our children and run our government. Let us once again be "One nation
under God" (or at least start acting like it).
"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in
place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room;
they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their
food and tyrannize their teachers."
(Socrates, 5th Century BC)
Jim07D5
Hmmm. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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| User: "GlennGlenn" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
30 Mar 2005 12:43:54 AM |
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Jim07D5 wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said:
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society. The
teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
Judeo/Christian principles have been demonized. Abhorant lifestyles and
behavior are now labeled "alternative". Abortion, drug abuse,
alcoholism, divorce, STD's, youth gangs, and an overall disrespect for
the concept of family and authority have become an accepted norm.
Liberalism has been given it's opportunity and it has failed. Decency
and morality need to once again be the foundation that we use to raise
our children and run our government. Let us once again be "One nation
under God" (or at least start acting like it).
"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in
place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room;
they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their
food and tyrannize their teachers."
(Socrates, 5th Century BC)
Jim07D5
"The Earth is degenerating today.
Bribery and corruption abound.
Children no longer obey their parents,
every man wants to write a book, and
it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching."
by:
Assyrian Tablet
Source:
c. 2800 BC [also attributed to Socrates]
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Morality: J/IBen's hypocrisy knows no bounds |
29 Mar 2005 03:16:49 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1112076189.179379.299310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society. The
teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
Judeo/Christian principles have been demonized.
"I ain't a Bible thumper I keep telling you."~"Jon Young", AKA "IBen", in
message
Abhorant lifestyles and behavior are now labeled "alternative".
"Let it be know that I'm PROUD to proclaim my HATRED for QUEERS, CHILD
KILLERS and NIGGERS of ALL colours. I can't think of three more worthy
enemies. You got that...? I'm PROUD to hate faggots, abortionists and
negroes. They ALL are a POX upon the ***** of humanity. I can't wait to see
them (and their supporters like YOU) ROAST in hell!"~ "IBen/Jon
Young", feeling his Kristian love, in Message-ID:
<20040727045300.04588.00002036@mb-m10.aol.com>
Abortion,
"why is it that most people who are against abortion are people who you
wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
From: (Jon Young)
Message-ID: <567f3dc3.0310171847.7e13d84@posting.google.com>
drug abuse, alcoholism,
"Shut you pie-hole. You're wrecking my hash buzz."
From: (IBen Getiner AKA JYoung)
Message-ID: <6ba61564.0403102112.4b88f11f@posting.google.com>
divorce, STD's, youth gangs, and an overall disrespect for
the concept of family and authority have become an accepted norm.
"Don't you know that hate... especially racial hate... is a full
time job? Hate destroys and purifies and that's just what I aim to do
when I set my sights on some ignorant mark . He might be a whiny white
liberal or a relatively dumb black or it may be my favorite in the whole
wide world.... a white ***** who gets off by doing the nasty with the
species of animal who walks erect like a man. But the bottom line is to
destroy. To crush. To bring one's opponent near the point where he/she
questions their very beliefs and all that they've been taught. And I've
raised quite a few to just such breath-taking heights."~IBenJon, in his role
of "captain jack", in <13754-39FA8030-75@storefull-298.iap.bryant.webtv.net
Liberalism has been given it's opportunity and it has failed. Decency
and morality need to once again be the foundation that we use to raise
our children and run our government. Let us once again be "One nation
under God" (or at least start acting like it).
"J/IBen" preaching on "decency and morality"?
Excuse me for a moment...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
LC~ Still trying to figure out why a deeply schitzophrenic troll from
Florida continually crossposts to <tx.politics,seattle.politics>.
"we are all familiar with the fate of these two cities and why they
suffered that fate. remember the prophet Lot. Gods instructions were
for he and his family to leave and not look back. his wife could not
resist the temptation, looked back, and was turned into salt. moral of
story? MIND YOUR BUSINESS." JYoung, not heeding his own advice.
Message-ID: <567f3dc3.0310101919.19a3c490@posting.google.com>
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| User: "George" |
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| Title: Re: Morality: J/IBen's hypocrisy knows no bounds |
30 Mar 2005 06:18:51 AM |
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"Loose Cannon" <looseain't@this.com> wrote in message
news:Bje2e.7120$H06.6240@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1112076189.179379.299310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society. The
teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
Judeo/Christian principles have been demonized.
"I ain't a Bible thumper I keep telling you."~"Jon Young", AKA "IBen", in
message
Abhorant lifestyles and behavior are now labeled "alternative".
"Let it be know that I'm PROUD to proclaim my HATRED for QUEERS, CHILD
KILLERS and NIGGERS of ALL colours. I can't think of three more worthy
enemies. You got that...? I'm PROUD to hate faggots, abortionists and
negroes. They ALL are a POX upon the ***** of humanity. I can't wait to see
them (and their supporters like YOU) ROAST in hell!"~ "IBen/Jon
Young", feeling his Kristian love, in Message-ID:
<20040727045300.04588.00002036@mb-m10.aol.com>
Hmmm. I know I don't have a pox on my *****. Maybe he forgot to wipe the seat.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
29 Mar 2005 07:11:53 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1112076189.179379.299310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society.
And that is NOT televangelicals.
God knows, we have more than our fair share of y'all whackos.
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| User: "George" |
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30 Mar 2005 06:11:48 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1112076189.179379.299310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society. The
teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
Judeo/Christian principles have been demonized.
Hmmm. You mean, like, the principle that there is only one God, and anyone who
says otherwise is a heathen or a blasphemer?
Abhorant lifestyles and
behavior are now labeled "alternative". Abortion, drug abuse,
alcoholism, divorce, STD's, youth gangs, and an overall disrespect for
the concept of family and authority have become an accepted norm.
Liberalism has been given it's opportunity and it has failed. Decency
and morality need to once again be the foundation that we use to raise
our children and run our government. Let us once again be "One nation
under God" (or at least start acting like it).
"In the last analysis of the Morality of Nature, we see no evidence of mercy in
the cosmos; its indifference extends from the lowest form of life to that of
man. The cries of humanity, whether the suffering is imposed by man upon
himself or upon other men, or by the natural laws operating independently of
man, echo down the corridors of time and space and evoke no response from
indifferent Nature.
These anquished cries and pitiful prayers for help are merely cosmic background
"noise" to which Nature must (not out of evil intent, spite, revenge, or
punishment, but by necessity) turn a "deaf ear"; for were it not so, Nature
itself would be destroyed by these same Laws which Nature had ordained "in the
beginning" (if there were one) and must continue to operate in perpetuity (if
time and the universe are truly eternal), or there would be an ending to the
cosmic laws: a true "twilight of the gods", and of cosmic harmony, Chaos never
returning to Cosmos."
- James E. Conkin, 2002
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
29 Mar 2005 06:16:57 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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The teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
What values are those?
What do you propose replacing them with?
Judeo/Christian principles have been demonized.
What "Judeo/Christian principles" have been "demonized", and how?
Abhorant lifestyles and behavior are now labeled "alternative".
Freedom is messy. Don't like it? Form your own theocracy. We who love
this nation and all it stands for won't allow you to turn it into one.
-Jeff
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
29 Mar 2005 07:11:54 AM |
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"Jeff Welch" <prouddem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1112077013.6fa5e91758fd36794c12c1530a4afcd9@meganetnews2...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
The teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
What values are those?
What do you propose replacing them with?
I think Herr Young was quite clear on that point.
He doesn't want morality replaced - he just wants it eliminated.
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| User: "Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון" |
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30 Mar 2005 05:10:47 AM |
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No such thing as Judeo-Christianity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is Judaic philosophy and theology.
There is Christian philosophy and theology.
They are two separate things and should not be conflated together or be
thought of as one thing!!!!!!!!!!
"Jeff Welch" <prouddem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1112077013.6fa5e91758fd36794c12c1530a4afcd9@meganetnews2...
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: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
: news:1112076189.179379.299310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
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: >The teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have
been
: > abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
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: What values are those?
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: What do you propose replacing them with?
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: > Judeo/Christian principles have been demonized.
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: What "Judeo/Christian principles" have been "demonized", and how?
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: > Abhorant lifestyles and behavior are now labeled "alternative".
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: Freedom is messy. Don't like it? Form your own theocracy. We who
love
: this nation and all it stands for won't allow you to turn it into one.
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: -Jeff
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| User: "\MIDIcian\ \tm" |
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31 Mar 2005 06:29:36 AM |
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No such thing as Judeo-Christianity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is Judaic philosophy and theology.
There is Christian philosophy and theology.
They are two separate things and should not be conflated together or be
thought of as one thing!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed.
Stan Rosenthal
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| User: "Sang" |
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31 Mar 2005 05:59:31 PM |
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""MIDIcian" (tm)" <Stan@NeverFalls.com> wrote in message
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No such thing as Judeo-Christianity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
of course there is . more specifically, judeo-christian principles and
history
There is Judaic philosophy and theology.
There is Christian philosophy and theology.
They are two separate things and should not be conflated together or be
thought of as one thing!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed.
there are differences AND similarities.
of course they are not the SAME thing. duh.
but they have commonalities (historically and philosophically).
as does the other abrahamic religion (islam)
the PRIMARY difference between christianity and judaism is that whole pesky
jesus thang (tm)
jews and christians worship the same god, their religions share a common
history, and lots of common stuff (ever heard of the 10 commandments?)
christian churches (and theologians) frequently reference the torah, but
they call it the old testament
both jews and christian believe in a messiah. jews just say 'hold on, he's
not here yet", and christians say "he's already come, and been resurrected"
all sorts of christian principles are in common with judaic principles.
others, obviously, are different.
christianity is basically a ***** offshoot (think about it- pun intended)
of judaism.
frankly, any student of theology would see FAR more similarities between the
religions, than differences.
not that the differences aren't there.
whit
Stan Rosenthal
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
31 Mar 2005 07:23:22 PM |
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"Sang" <gfroid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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""MIDIcian" (tm)" <Stan@NeverFalls.com> wrote in message
news:d2g5ck$mg1$0@pita.alt.net...
No such thing as Judeo-Christianity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
of course there is . more specifically, judeo-christian principles and
history
There is Judaic philosophy and theology.
There is Christian philosophy and theology.
They are two separate things and should not be conflated together or be
thought of as one thing!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed.
there are differences AND similarities.
of course they are not the SAME thing. duh.
but they have commonalities (historically and philosophically).
as does the other abrahamic religion (islam)
the PRIMARY difference between christianity and judaism is that whole
pesky
jesus thang (tm)
& the way people interact with G-d, the concept of sin, the entire idea of
religion, etc.
jews and christians worship the same god,
No, we do not.
Xians consider jesus to be G-d.
We don't.
their religions share a common
history, and lots of common stuff (ever heard of the 10 commandments?)
Which version - ours or the many versions they have?
christian churches (and theologians) frequently reference the torah, but
they call it the old testament
When they are not discounting it due to what they say Jesus had to say about
it, they are mistranslating it & misconstrue what is in it.
both jews and christian believe in a messiah. jews just say 'hold on,
he's
not here yet", and christians say "he's already come, and been
resurrected"
And they have taken the entire job/idea of Moshiach & turned it on its ear
to fit the life they say he lived rather than what Moshiach is actually
supposed to do.
all sorts of christian principles are in common with judaic principles.
others, obviously, are different.
christianity is basically a ***** offshoot (think about it- pun
intended)
of judaism.
frankly, any student of theology would see FAR more similarities between
the
religions, than differences.
Frankly, you are just blowing smoke.
Susan
not that the differences aren't there.
whit
Stan Rosenthal
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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29 Mar 2005 10:50:11 AM |
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In article <1112076189.179379.299310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society. The
teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
OK. So you're saying we should go back to the morality of the 50's and
before? You mean the racial segregation, little or no education or
employment opportunities for women, and all that? Or would you prefer
the "rugged individualism" of the 1920's, when there was no government
assistance for retirement or illness or anything like that? Or maybe we
should go back a bit further to the good old days of Bible-sanctioned
slavery?
Yeah, those were the greatest times, morally speaking, weren't they?
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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29 Mar 2005 05:41:49 PM |
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*nemo* wrote:
In article <1112076189.179379.299310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society. The
teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
OK. So you're saying we should go back to the morality of the 50's and
before? You mean the racial segregation, little or no education or
employment opportunities for women, and all that? Or would you prefer
the "rugged individualism" of the 1920's, when there was no government
assistance for retirement or illness or anything like that? Or maybe we
should go back a bit further to the good old days of Bible-sanctioned
slavery?
Yeah, those were the greatest times, morally speaking, weren't they?
Oh, well, an old saw explains it pretty well: "If you gain in one place
then you lose in another." As for morality, it appears we can tolerate
only so much of a good thing. Interesting how the sexual revolution and
related developments such as abortion on demand, AIDS and STDs, teen
pregnancies, single mothers on public assistance , a 50% + divorce rate,
breakdown of the family, etal, evolved alongside racial equality, gender
equality in the workplace, medicare and medicaid, and other humanitarian
endeavors.
Denny
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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30 Mar 2005 02:30:37 AM |
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In article <4249935C.3AEEC77B@nospam.net>,
dgillesp <dgillesp@nospam.net> wrote:
Interesting how the sexual revolution and
related developments such as abortion on demand, AIDS and STDs, teen
pregnancies, single mothers on public assistance , a 50% + divorce rate,
breakdown of the family, etal, evolved alongside racial equality, gender
equality in the workplace, medicare and medicaid, and other humanitarian
endeavors.
True enough. "Society" seems to be like some sort of amoeba, growing in
several directions at once. You win some, you lose some.
I just try to remember the Billy Joel lyric: "The good old days weren't
always good and tomorrow's not as bad as it seems..."
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
30 Mar 2005 06:39:35 AM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote
dgillesp <dgillesp@nospam.net> wrote:
Interesting how the sexual revolution and
related developments such as abortion on demand, AIDS and
STDs, teen pregnancies, single mothers on public assistance
, a 50% + divorce rate, breakdown of the family, etal,
evolved alongside racial equality, gender equality in the
workplace, medicare and medicaid, and other humanitarian
endeavors.
True enough.
Hardly.
There was a time when a 15 y.o. girl was an "old maid," if
she wasn't already married. Things like "teen pregnancies"
have only been an "issue" since teens stopped getting married.
And what the hell does "break down of the family" mean, as
it quite obviously doesn't mean "divorce." The two are
listed separately.
Divorce was always fairly common, but only for the upper
class. There has been some change in that divorce is now
socially acceptable, but on the bright side I bet "desertion"
is way down from what is was 80 years ago.
Is the complaint that the middle class is now acting like
the rich?
"How dare they!"
Please.
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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30 Mar 2005 03:24:16 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote
dgillesp <dgillesp@nospam.net> wrote:
Interesting how the sexual revolution and
related developments such as abortion on demand, AIDS and
STDs, teen pregnancies, single mothers on public assistance
, a 50% + divorce rate, breakdown of the family, etal,
evolved alongside racial equality, gender equality in the
workplace, medicare and medicaid, and other humanitarian
endeavors.
True enough.
Hardly.
There was a time when a 15 y.o. girl was an "old maid," if
she wasn't already married. Things like "teen pregnancies"
have only been an "issue" since teens stopped getting married.
and leaving the unwed mother to depend on tax payers to support her and
her offspring since the father (if he be known) won't take
responsibility. That is no issue?
And what the hell does "break down of the family" mean, as
it quite obviously doesn't mean "divorce." The two are
listed separately.
Divorce was always fairly common, but only for the upper
class. There has been some change in that divorce is now
socially acceptable, but on the bright side I bet "desertion"
is way down from what is was 80 years ago.
And you don't consider the epidemic of dead beat dads and moms who don't
pay child support as deserters?
Is the complaint that the middle class is now acting like
the rich?
"How dare they!"
It's the lower economic ranks who first "acted like the rich", and whose
lifestyle the middle class came to adopt and thus is bound to defend by
tax support in order to cover our own behinds.
Please.
Make that "Pretty please with sugar and cream on it" and I'll think it
over.
Denny
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| User: "JTEM" |
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30 Mar 2005 06:12:07 PM |
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"dgillesp" <dgillesp@nospam.net> wrote
There was a time when a 15 y.o. girl was an "old maid," if
she wasn't already married. Things like "teen pregnancies"
have only been an "issue" since teens stopped getting married.
and leaving the unwed mother to depend on tax payers to
support her and her offspring since the father (if he be known)
won't take responsibility. That is no issue?
You're now saying the issue is money, while originally the
claimed issue was teen pregnancy.
But to answer your question, there has always been people
having children that they can't afford. They're call "Poor
people," and as long as there's been civilization there's been
poor people.
And, oh, what did you think the term "*****" meant?
And you don't consider the epidemic of dead beat
dads and moms who don't pay child support as
deserters?
Again, the issue you identify is money.
This thread began with two-bit moralizing, but, as you
correctly pointed, underneath it all was the lust for
money.
It's the lower economic ranks who first "acted like the rich",
and whose lifestyle the middle class came to adopt and thus
is bound to defend by tax support in order to cover our
own behinds.
There it is, that money again. Cash.
Scratch any chest-thumping, moralizing punk & underneath
you'll find someone worshipping at the alter of cash.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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29 Mar 2005 10:59:43 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:41:49 -0500, dgillesp <dgillesp@nospam.net>
wrote:
*nemo* wrote:
In article <1112076189.179379.299310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society. The
teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
OK. So you're saying we should go back to the morality of the 50's and
before? You mean the racial segregation, little or no education or
employment opportunities for women, and all that? Or would you prefer
the "rugged individualism" of the 1920's, when there was no government
assistance for retirement or illness or anything like that? Or maybe we
should go back a bit further to the good old days of Bible-sanctioned
slavery?
Yeah, those were the greatest times, morally speaking, weren't they?
Oh, well, an old saw explains it pretty well: "If you gain in one place
then you lose in another." As for morality, it appears we can tolerate
only so much of a good thing. Interesting how the sexual revolution and
related developments such as abortion on demand,
Accompanied by a decrease in abortion-related death in women, teenage
pregnancies etc.
AIDS and STDs, teen
pregnancies,
Teen pregnancies have been steadily decreasing even in the US. Of
course in places like Texas they will no doubt begin to increase
again. For some odd reason people seem to think that ignorance
prevents pregnancy.
single mothers on public assistance ,
The inadequacy of which is immoral. Of course I realize that many
think they should be forced to give birth and that then both they and
their children should starve.
a 50% + divorce rate,
Yes, it is no longer necessary for women to stay in a bad marriage.
Wonderful isn't it?
breakdown of the family,
Oh? By what standard?
etal, evolved alongside racial equality, gender
equality in the workplace, medicare and medicaid, and other humanitarian
endeavors.
Yes, all in all, things had been going pretty well, then Bush came
along.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "J Young" |
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29 Mar 2005 06:33:22 PM |
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dgillesp wrote:
Oh, well, an old saw explains it pretty well: "If you gain in one
place
then you lose in another." As for morality, it appears we can
tolerate
only so much of a good thing. Interesting how the sexual
revolution and
related developments such as abortion on demand, AIDS and STDs, teen
pregnancies, single mothers on public assistance , a 50% + divorce
rate,
breakdown of the family, etal, evolved alongside racial equality,
gender
equality in the workplace, medicare and medicaid, and other
humanitarian
endeavors.
Denny
Granted that many wonderful developements have evolved these past few
years but I believe that these things occured despite the the decline
of social morality, not because of it. If anything, with the world
being a better place today, practicing a decent, moral lifestyle should
be easier than years past. The problem is that it is no longer being
taught.
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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29 Mar 2005 07:36:01 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said:
dgillesp wrote:
Oh, well, an old saw explains it pretty well: "If you gain in one
place
then you lose in another." As for morality, it appears we can
tolerate
only so much of a good thing. Interesting how the sexual
revolution and
related developments such as abortion on demand, AIDS and STDs, teen
pregnancies, single mothers on public assistance , a 50% + divorce
rate,
breakdown of the family, etal, evolved alongside racial equality,
gender
equality in the workplace, medicare and medicaid, and other
humanitarian
endeavors.
Denny
Granted that many wonderful developements have evolved these past few
years but I believe that these things occured despite the the decline
of social morality, not because of it. If anything, with the world
being a better place today, practicing a decent, moral lifestyle should
be easier than years past. The problem is that it is no longer being
taught.
Morality isn't declining. We still need it, so it is there. Things are
still considered laudable, shameful, or morally neutral. It is just
that the things given moral value are not the same things that you
learned, and morality is more fragmented. In the past we had less
exposure to alternatives. We are more exposed to alternative moral
value systems because of broadened travel and communication and
direct interaction with people of other cultures, and their
representation in our political systems. The teaching process has been
expanded from the home, school, and religious institution, to include
electronic media. There are still strong conservative influences,
which play their part.
Jim07D5
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| User: "George" |
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30 Mar 2005 06:20:42 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1112121202.230248.155060@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
dgillesp wrote:
Oh, well, an old saw explains it pretty well: "If you gain in one
place
then you lose in another." As for morality, it appears we can
tolerate
only so much of a good thing. Interesting how the sexual
revolution and
related developments such as abortion on demand, AIDS and STDs, teen
pregnancies, single mothers on public assistance , a 50% + divorce
rate,
breakdown of the family, etal, evolved alongside racial equality,
gender
equality in the workplace, medicare and medicaid, and other
humanitarian
endeavors.
Denny
Granted that many wonderful developements have evolved these past few
years but I believe that these things occured despite the the decline
of social morality, not because of it. If anything, with the world
being a better place today, practicing a decent, moral lifestyle should
be easier than years past. The problem is that it is no longer being
taught.
You are confused. Maybe it is not being taught in your household. Or maybe
your concept of morality is different that eveyone else's.
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| User: "GlennGlenn" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
30 Mar 2005 12:45:01 AM |
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J Young wrote:
dgillesp wrote:
Oh, well, an old saw explains it pretty well: "If you gain in one
place
then you lose in another." As for morality, it appears we can
tolerate
only so much of a good thing. Interesting how the sexual
revolution and
related developments such as abortion on demand, AIDS and STDs, teen
pregnancies, single mothers on public assistance , a 50% + divorce
rate,
breakdown of the family, etal, evolved alongside racial equality,
gender
equality in the workplace, medicare and medicaid, and other
humanitarian
endeavors.
Denny
Granted that many wonderful developements have evolved these past few
years but I believe that these things occured despite the the decline
of social morality, not because of it. If anything, with the world
being a better place today, practicing a decent, moral lifestyle should
be easier than years past. The problem is that it is no longer being
taught.
"The Earth is degenerating today.
Bribery and corruption abound.
Children no longer obey their parents,
every man wants to write a book, and
it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching."
by:
Assyrian Tablet
Source:
c. 2800 BC [also attributed to Socrates]
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
29 Mar 2005 07:17:50 PM |
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On 29 Mar 2005 10:33:22 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
.....
Granted that many wonderful developements have evolved these past few
years but I believe that these things occured despite the the decline
of social morality, not because of it. If anything, with the world
being a better place today, practicing a decent, moral lifestyle should
be easier than years past. The problem is that it is no longer being
taught.
Children are taught by example. The example you provide is why
morality is declining.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
30 Mar 2005 01:44:08 AM |
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"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:4310ab4e.689237741@news.la.sbcglobal.net...
On 29 Mar 2005 10:33:22 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
If anything, with the world
being a better place today, practicing a decent, moral lifestyle should
be easier than years past. The problem is that it is no longer being
taught.
Children are taught by example. The example you provide is why
morality is declining.
Amen.
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
29 Mar 2005 07:21:11 PM |
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In article <1112076189.179379.299310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com says...
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct".
Now... objectively define what is 'right' or 'good conduct'.
(Not your personal opinion... but objectively).
Now... explain why you can't do so.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
30 Mar 2005 01:44:10 AM |
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"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cb36fafc59bacf298c42e@news.uni-berlin.de...
In article <1112076189.179379.299310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com says...
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct".
Now... objectively define what is 'right' or 'good conduct'.
(Not your personal opinion... but objectively).
Now... explain why you can't do so.
Whatever his answer (there will be none of course), you can get a more
honest one by observing their actions than their words.
By their Actions, the NeoChristians clearly believe torture, rape, murder,
theft, and lying are their ideas of "right or good conduct".
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
29 Mar 2005 07:24:52 PM |
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Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <1112076189.179379.299310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com says...
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with
standards
of right or good conduct".
Now... objectively define what is 'right' or 'good conduct'.
(Not your personal opinion... but objectively).
Now... explain why you can't do so.
Oh, Oh, Oh, I know the answer to this one. Ask me!!
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| User: "Baard Ove KOPPERUD" |
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01 Apr 2005 12:14:19 AM |
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In talk.abortion J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society. The
<SNIP>
And *your* solution for making things better,
is of course to re-initiate a 4000 y/o set
of laws and moral-codes that are hostile to
women, suggest hash punishments for minor
things (like stoning for wearing clothes
made from two threads), dictates that
disobedient sons should be stoned, daughters
sold into slavery and suggest that it's OK
for fathers to sleep with their daughters...
With all due respect, I think we can do better
than that and that we need something a bit
more modern for our advanced society.
+++
How can you expect our children to respect
their parents and their teachers, when we
(the adults) no longer respects our betters
or the law?
There was a time when you
*respected* the Government's representatives...
the Priest, the Sherif and the Tax-collector,
and *knew* that even if *they* didn't see you
do something wrong, then God did!
There was a time when the yellow light meant
"slow down"... now it means, "put the pedal to
the metal and you *may* _almost_ make it"...
there was a time when didn't drive faster than
the speed-limit, even if there weren't any
cops around... there was a time when paying
ones taxes was patriotic, and you didn't
cheet or even look for loopholes...
There was a time when people dragged themselves
to work even though they were coughing up
blood... these days, we call in sick and
claims to be ill after a little "wet" week-end.
+++
God may be dead. We may no longer fear Him
watching over us all the time, but that doesn't
mean we *have to* bend and break the law just
because we can and because we will "probably get
away with it". But that is what we do! We
feel like we're give the Government "the finger"
when we don't get caught driving to fast or
after a little too much to drink... we forget
the laws are there to *protect* -- and not
to irritate -- us.
And as long as our children see us break the
law and pull fast ones over the eyes of the
government, why are we surprised when they
(try to) do the same with us and their teachers.
+++
Sure something should be done by the moral
decline, but it should be based on enlightenment
(why laws are necessery) and not fear (of God or
the Government)... and the decline shouldn't be
blamed on freedom and openess, sex and
abortion, or TV and the Internet, for that matter.
To be on-topic: Abortion is a *sympthom*!
A sympthom that the sex-ed in school is insufficent,
that there is still too much of a stigma assosciated
with being young and/or single and having a baby,
that it's still too difficult to combine school/work
and raising a child, that it's too expensive and that
programs to help are missing, and that parents don't
realize that their teenaged-children are also
sexual-beings. Having a child -- even if your young
and/or out of wedlock -- should be concidered
something "hipped" and patriotic... and schools and
the rest of society should reflect that. Children
are the most important resource for *any* country,
and *that* should be reflected in the budgets.
-Koppe
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Baard Ove KOPPERUD |
2625 FAABERG | ICQ# : 24367492
NORWAY | AIM : bokopperud
===== Vidi, vici, veni =====
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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30 Mar 2005 03:52:25 AM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society.
Especially from fanatics like yourself.
The
teachings of decency,
Do you think that your hatred of people who dare to disagree with you
is "decent"? Do you think that your repeated lies and slanders are
"good conduct"? Is your bigotry "right"?
You can't even manage to conduct a rational discussion. What makes
you think that you have ANY business proclaiming yourself to be any
sort of moral authority?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Jenny6833A" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
29 Mar 2005 06:47:56 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct".
How many such standards may there be? One for each person? Or, how
about, "No harm, no foul"? The great Chicky-baby said that.
Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society.
Oh? I think conduct has been improving.
The
teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
That's better than having the church(es) set standards of decency --
whatever "decency" may mean.
Judeo/Christian principles have been demonized.
Perhaps because they are wrong-headed, authoritarian, superstitious
silliness.
Abhorant lifestyles and
behavior are now labeled "alternative".
Abhorant to whom?
Abortion, drug abuse,
alcoholism, divorce, STD's, youth gangs, and an overall disrespect
for
the concept of family and authority have become an accepted norm.
Everything you mention was an accepted norm when the churches were in
charge.
Besides, what's wrong with disrespect for "authority"? Fella, you
sound like one of them freedom-hating fundie dictator types.
Liberalism has been given it's opportunity and it has failed.
The churches failed for ten thousand years. You need to give
liberalism equal time.
Decency
and morality need to once again be the foundation that we use to
raise
our children and run our government.
Maybe you ought to explain what you mean be decency and morality. I'm
not betting you can, but you ought to at least try.
Let us once again be "One nation
under God" (or at least start acting like it).
Under WHAT? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!!! Another undefined term!
:-)
Jenny
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
29 Mar 2005 08:33:05 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society. The
teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
Yep. Something is seriously wrong with American Society. And it's not
the fault of neither the media nor the church. It is the parents who
abdicate their responsibility for raising their kids and, instead, use
television and video games as babysitters.
However, this myth of the "liberal dominated media" is just that. A
myth. Sure, there are liberals in the media, but there are also
conservatives.
Judeo/Christian principles have been demonized.
Persecution is the bane of Judeochristianity. However, this
"persecution" is also a myth. With 85% of Ameica (perhaps more) being
Judeochristians, and 10% atheist or "no religion", who is persecuted
more? Who is demonized?
Abhorant lifestyles and
behavior are now labeled "alternative".
abhorrent: Disgusting, loathsome, or repellent. Feeling repugnance or
loathing.
alternative: Existing outside traditional or established institutions or
systems. Espousing or reflecting values that are different from those of
the establishment or mainstream.
Just because you may find such "lifestyles" abhorrent doesn't make it
true for all. Homosexuality is not abhorrent to me. To me, however, a
"lifestyle" which is abhorrent is religious fundamentalist zealots.
Abortion, drug abuse,
alcoholism, divorce, STD's, youth gangs, and an overall disrespect for
the concept of family and authority have become an accepted norm.
Um, yeah. Let's break down this claim, shall we?
Abortion:
Blue States: 732,266 abortions (1996) = 0.54% of the population
Red States: 475,645 abortions (1996) = 0.33% of the population
So, in god-fearing red states, there is only a 0.21% difference between
red states and blue states, where it comes to abortion.
[Source: CDC.gov]
Drug Abuse:
Blue States: 18,008 cases (2000) = 0.013%
Red States: 16,236 cases (2000) = 0.011%
So, in god-fearing red states, there is 0.02% difference when it comes
to illicit drug use.
[Source: drugabusestatistics.samhsa.gov]
STDs:
Blue States: 8,061,816 cases (2000) = 5.87%
Red States: 144,135,787 cases (2000) = 6.64%
What's this? STDs are _HIGHER_ in the red states? Color me shocked.
[Source: cdc.gov]
Youth Gangs:
There is no data on youth gangs, since it's just about impossible to be
certain that violence done by youths are gang-related or not. Crips and
Bloods are gangs, but so are the Hell's Angels (which operate out of Red
States).
Overall disrespect for concept of family and authority:
I don't exactly know how to quantify this. Do you have data to back
this up? Google doesn't provide me any useful information. Can you
elaborate?
Liberalism has been given it's opportunity and it has failed.
It got America started. I fail to see how it "failed". Can you
elaborate? Or is this a sweeping overgeneralization?
Decency
and morality need to once again be the foundation that we use to raise
our children and run our government.
Decency and morality: Put forth by parents. And if you want decency and
morality in government, get rid of Tom Delay for starters. He's been
the most immoral Congressman we've had in a long time.
Let us once again be "One nation
under God" (or at least start acting like it).
Or not. "One Nation Under God" was placed into the Pledge in 1954.
Since that time, crime has risen. Now, if I were a conservative, I'd
utilize the "non causa pro causa" fallacy and state that adding this to
the Pledge has caused crime to rise. But I won't. I'm not a conservative.
So, question. If Red States are just about as bad as Blue States (worse
when it comes to STDs!), what does this say about Red States if Blue
States are the bane of America?
Something to think about.
Now it's time for me to rest. Researching is hard, but fruitful. You
should do it sometime before making sweeping generalizations.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Morality |
29 Mar 2005 06:37:45 PM |
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On 28 Mar 2005 22:03:09 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Morality is defined as "the quality of being in accord with standards
of right or good conduct". Any person who follows the news here in
America know that this is something dearly lacking in our society. The
teachings of decency, previously the domain of the church, have been
abandoned and replaced by the values of the liberal dominated media.
Judeo/Christian principles have been demonized. Abhorant lifestyles and
behavior are now labeled "alternative". Abortion, drug abuse,
alcoholism, divorce, STD's, youth gangs, and an overall disrespect for
the concept of family and authority have become an accepted norm.
Liberalism has been given it's opportunity and it has failed. Decency
and morality need to once again be the foundation that we use to raise
our children and run our government. Let us once again be "One nation
under God" (or at least start acting like it).
Wolves are howling in the streets. Children are eating their parents.
Blood is dripping from the moon - and Lawrence Welk is no longer on
television. WOE!
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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