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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Fred Stone"
Date: 08 Sep 2005 01:31:31 PM
Object: More About Pork
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090702462.html
Money Flowed to Questionable Projects
State Leads in Army Corps Spending, but Millions Had Nothing to Do With
Floods
By Michael Grunwald
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 8, 2005; Page A01
Before Hurricane Katrina breached a levee on the New Orleans Industrial
Canal, the Army Corps of Engineers had already launched a $748 million
construction project at that very location. But the project had nothing
to do with flood control. The Corps was building a huge new lock for the
canal, an effort to accommodate steadily increasing barge traffic.
Except that barge traffic on the canal has been steadily decreasing.
In Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have
complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and
Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of President
Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps
civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion;
California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though
its population is more than seven times as large.
Much of that Louisiana money was spent to try to keep low-lying New
Orleans dry. But hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to unrelated
water projects demanded by the state's congressional delegation and
approved by the Corps, often after economic analyses that turned out to
be inaccurate. Despite a series of independent investigations
criticizing Army Corps construction projects as wasteful pork-barrel
spending, Louisiana's representatives have kept bringing home the
bacon...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
.

User: "DH"

Title: Re: More About Pork 08 Sep 2005 03:26:09 PM
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126186291.4dcaa8132c58caa99c112d779f608258@teranews...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090702462.html

Money Flowed to Questionable Projects
State Leads in Army Corps Spending, but Millions Had Nothing to Do With
Floods

By Michael Grunwald
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 8, 2005; Page A01

Before Hurricane Katrina breached a levee on the New Orleans Industrial
Canal, the Army Corps of Engineers had already launched a $748 million
construction project at that very location. But the project had nothing
to do with flood control. The Corps was building a huge new lock for the
canal, an effort to accommodate steadily increasing barge traffic.

Except that barge traffic on the canal has been steadily decreasing.

In Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have
complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and
Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of President
Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps
civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion;
California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though
its population is more than seven times as large.

The comparison to California is pointless. It's the Mississippi, stupid.
The Mississippi is a giant, relentless, unceasing earth-moving machine.
This is not to say that a $748 Billion lock to handle declining traffic
makes a ton of sense, either.
Why are we wasting money? Bush, who has lambasted "wasteful" Democrats and
"tax and spend Liberals" (from whic President he inherited a surplus) during
so many campaign speeches (by invitation only, general citizenry not
welcome) has had his own pet Congress and submitted 4 budgets of his own
devising. However, he's consistently delivered $300+Billion deficits (which
he likes to blame on a war that he then says is costing very little).
Why haven't these NeoCons shown those ousted "tax-and-spend liberals" how
responsible government works?
What party is the party of "fiscal responsibility?"
And, squirm all you want, but it was the Administration that gutted the
flood-control aspects of the Corps programs since 2001. They'll support the
pork but they won't support disaster avoidance.

Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it'd be, 'We can do
better.'
- Howard Dean

.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: More About Pork 08 Sep 2005 04:23:13 PM
"DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in
news:1126193179.3570587d2b459d3801dd85445ca8e802@teranews:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126186291.4dcaa8132c58caa99c112d779f608258@teranews...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090702462.html

Money Flowed to Questionable Projects
State Leads in Army Corps Spending, but Millions Had Nothing to Do
With Floods

By Michael Grunwald
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 8, 2005; Page A01

Before Hurricane Katrina breached a levee on the New Orleans
Industrial Canal, the Army Corps of Engineers had already launched a
$748 million construction project at that very location. But the
project had nothing to do with flood control. The Corps was building
a huge new lock for the canal, an effort to accommodate steadily
increasing barge traffic.

Except that barge traffic on the canal has been steadily decreasing.

In Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have
complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and
Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of
President Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more
money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9
billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion,
even though its population is more than seven times as large.


The comparison to California is pointless. It's the Mississippi,
stupid. The Mississippi is a giant, relentless, unceasing earth-moving
machine.

The environmental lobby has blocked all sorts of flood-control levee
projects.

This is not to say that a $748 Billion lock to handle declining
traffic makes a ton of sense, either.

Why are we wasting money? Bush, who has lambasted "wasteful"
Democrats and "tax and spend Liberals" (from whic President he
inherited a surplus) during so many campaign speeches (by invitation
only, general citizenry not welcome) has had his own pet Congress and
submitted 4 budgets of his own devising. However, he's consistently
delivered $300+Billion deficits (which he likes to blame on a war that
he then says is costing very little).

Non sequitur.

Why haven't these NeoCons shown those ousted "tax-and-spend liberals"
how responsible government works?

Non sequitur.

What party is the party of "fiscal responsibility?"

Non sequitur.

And, squirm all you want, but it was the Administration that gutted
the flood-control aspects of the Corps programs since 2001. They'll
support the pork but they won't support disaster avoidance.

Denial in the face of the evidence.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
.
User: "Misleart Chuff"

Title: Re: More About Pork 08 Sep 2005 07:00:55 PM
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1126196595.f8f2e99679b0eaea73dcdc31783d028b@teranews...
: "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in
: news:1126193179.3570587d2b459d3801dd85445ca8e802@teranews:
:
: > "Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
: > news:1126186291.4dcaa8132c58caa99c112d779f608258@teranews...
: >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
: >> dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090702462.html
: >>
: >> Money Flowed to Questionable Projects
: >> State Leads in Army Corps Spending, but Millions Had Nothing to
Do
: >> With Floods
: >>
: >> By Michael Grunwald
: >> Washington Post Staff Writer
: >> Thursday, September 8, 2005; Page A01
: >>
: >> Before Hurricane Katrina breached a levee on the New Orleans
: >> Industrial Canal, the Army Corps of Engineers had already
launched a
: >> $748 million construction project at that very location. But the
: >> project had nothing to do with flood control. The Corps was
building
: >> a huge new lock for the canal, an effort to accommodate steadily
: >> increasing barge traffic.
: >>
: >> Except that barge traffic on the canal has been steadily
decreasing.
: >>
: >> In Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have
: >> complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and
: >> Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of
: >> President Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more
: >> money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about
$1.9
: >> billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4
billion,
: >> even though its population is more than seven times as large.
: >>
: >
: > The comparison to California is pointless. It's the Mississippi,
: > stupid. The Mississippi is a giant, relentless, unceasing
earth-moving
: > machine.
: >
:
: The environmental lobby has blocked all sorts of flood-control levee
: projects.
Sure.....show us.
: > This is not to say that a $748 Billion lock to handle declining
: > traffic makes a ton of sense, either.
: >
: > Why are we wasting money? Bush, who has lambasted "wasteful"
: > Democrats and "tax and spend Liberals" (from whic President he
: > inherited a surplus) during so many campaign speeches (by
invitation
: > only, general citizenry not welcome) has had his own pet Congress
and
: > submitted 4 budgets of his own devising. However, he's
consistently
: > delivered $300+Billion deficits (which he likes to blame on a war
that
: > he then says is costing very little).
: >
:
: Non sequitur.
Get yourself a dictionary, jackass.
: > Why haven't these NeoCons shown those ousted "tax-and-spend
liberals"
: > how responsible government works?
: >
:
: Non sequitur.
Don't repeat yourself over and over.
: > What party is the party of "fiscal responsibility?"
: >
:
: Non sequitur.
It only goes to show that you _have_ _no_ _argument_.
: > And, squirm all you want, but it was the Administration that
gutted
: > the flood-control aspects of the Corps programs since 2001.
They'll
: > support the pork but they won't support disaster avoidance.
: >
:
: Denial in the face of the evidence.
You're the "denial" posterboy, ya little twerp. I would not be
suprised to learn that you're supposed to be on antipsychotics. Not
really that much difference between you and "duke", "pastor frank",
and the rest of the xian crackpots. You're exactly what the xians
want all atheists to be like.
.
User: "towelie"

Title: Re: More About Pork 09 Sep 2005 06:28:34 AM
TV's Misleart Chuff wrote:

You're the "denial" posterboy, ya little twerp. I would not be
suprised to learn that you're supposed to be on antipsychotics. Not
really that much difference between you and "duke", "pastor frank",
and the rest of the xian crackpots. You're exactly what the xians
want all atheists to be like.

Fred Stone is not an atheist. He believes in and worships a god, that god
being George W. Bush.
.




User: "Divin Marquis"

Title: Re: More About Pork 08 Sep 2005 02:57:06 PM
Le Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:31:31 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :

Money Flowed to Questionable Projects State Leads in Army Corps Spending,
but Millions Had Nothing to Do With Floods

Yeah, and what could republicans do about this? They only control the
White House, House of Representatives, the Senate and the Supreme Court.
It's not like they have ANY responsibility at all!
.
User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: More About Pork 09 Sep 2005 06:28:04 AM
"Divin Marquis" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote

Fred Stone a écrit :

Money Flowed to Questionable Projects State Leads in Army Corps
Spending, but Millions Had Nothing to Do With Floods

Yeah, and what could republicans do about this? They only control
the White House, House of Representatives, the Senate and the
Supreme Court.

Hush! They all must bow to the will of a Democratic mayor. Or at
least that's what "Fred" will tell you.

It's not like they have ANY responsibility at all!

The *Real* spending bill was chewed up & spit out by the
Republican controlled congress back in 1998. What New
Orleans needed was about $14 billion to make itself truly safe
for the next [blah-blah] generations. The Republican controlled
congress refused to give it to them.
.


User: "Kate "

Title: Re: More About Pork 08 Sep 2005 01:44:02 PM
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:31:31 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090702462.html

Money Flowed to Questionable Projects
State Leads in Army Corps Spending, but Millions Had Nothing to Do With
Floods

By Michael Grunwald
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 8, 2005; Page A01

Before Hurricane Katrina breached a levee on the New Orleans Industrial
Canal, the Army Corps of Engineers had already launched a $748 million
construction project at that very location. But the project had nothing
to do with flood control. The Corps was building a huge new lock for the
canal, an effort to accommodate steadily increasing barge traffic.

Except that barge traffic on the canal has been steadily decreasing.

In Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have
complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and
Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of President
Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps
civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion;
California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though
its population is more than seven times as large.

Much of that Louisiana money was spent to try to keep low-lying New
Orleans dry. But hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to unrelated
water projects demanded by the state's congressional delegation and
approved by the Corps, often after economic analyses that turned out to
be inaccurate. Despite a series of independent investigations
criticizing Army Corps construction projects as wasteful pork-barrel
spending, Louisiana's representatives have kept bringing home the
bacon...

So, Bush was stupid when he cut the projects for flood control, but
allowed a project to help businesses to go on spending money.
Figures.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: More About Pork 08 Sep 2005 02:52:35 PM
(Kate ) wrote in
news:43273f4c.55411421@news-west.newscene.com:

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:31:31 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090702462.html

Money Flowed to Questionable Projects
State Leads in Army Corps Spending, but Millions Had Nothing to Do
With Floods

By Michael Grunwald
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 8, 2005; Page A01

Before Hurricane Katrina breached a levee on the New Orleans
Industrial Canal, the Army Corps of Engineers had already launched a
$748 million construction project at that very location. But the
project had nothing to do with flood control. The Corps was building a
huge new lock for the canal, an effort to accommodate steadily
increasing barge traffic.

Except that barge traffic on the canal has been steadily decreasing.

In Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have
complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and
Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of President
Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps
civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion;
California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even
though its population is more than seven times as large.

Much of that Louisiana money was spent to try to keep low-lying New
Orleans dry. But hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to
unrelated water projects demanded by the state's congressional
delegation and approved by the Corps, often after economic analyses
that turned out to be inaccurate. Despite a series of independent
investigations criticizing Army Corps construction projects as
wasteful pork-barrel spending, Louisiana's representatives have kept
bringing home the bacon...


So, Bush was stupid when he cut the projects for flood control, but
allowed a project to help businesses to go on spending money.

Figures.

So you don't bother to read articles before you reply to them?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
.



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