Religions > Atheism > More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify
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07 Sep 2007 06:04:23 PM |
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More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
Carl Zimmer at www.scienceblogs.com/loom:
http://tinyurl.com/2jp8xo
reports on Mahakala omnogovae
"At about a pound and a half, Mahakala omnogovae was certainly a cute
dinosaur. But cuteness is not why paleontologists traveled to the
remote ends of Mongolia to find it. It's part of a much bigger story."
and
"Adding Mahakala to the mix produces a tree that shows birds sharing a
common ancestry with two groups of dinosaurs--the dromeosaurids and
the troodontids."
and
"Scientists have been discovering more and more dinosaur fossils with
traces of feathers or feather-like growths on their skin. In this new
tree, a species known as Jinfengopteryx--which had originally been
considered a bird--ends up on the troodontid branch, complete with
contour feathers of the sort you can find on birds today. It's
additional evidence that the common ancestor of birds and troodontids
and dromeosaurids already had fairly sophisticated feathers."
Budikka
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
08 Sep 2007 12:54:27 AM |
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In article <1189206263.331447.29460@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Carl Zimmer at www.scienceblogs.com/loom:
http://tinyurl.com/2jp8xo
reports on Mahakala omnogovae
"At about a pound and a half, Mahakala omnogovae was certainly a cute
dinosaur. But cuteness is not why paleontologists traveled to the
remote ends of Mongolia to find it. It's part of a much bigger story."
and
"Adding Mahakala to the mix produces a tree that shows birds sharing a
common ancestry with two groups of dinosaurs--the dromeosaurids and
the troodontids."
and
"Scientists have been discovering more and more dinosaur fossils with
traces of feathers or feather-like growths on their skin. In this new
tree, a species known as Jinfengopteryx--which had originally been
considered a bird--ends up on the troodontid branch, complete with
contour feathers of the sort you can find on birds today. It's
additional evidence that the common ancestor of birds and troodontids
and dromeosaurids already had fairly sophisticated feathers."
That was a nice find. We've found a few more pieces of the puzzle.
Budikka
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "curtjester1" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
11 Sep 2007 01:28:10 PM |
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On Sep 7, 7:04 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Carl Zimmer atwww.scienceblogs.com/loom:http://tinyurl.com/2jp8xo
reports on Mahakala omnogovae
"At about a pound and a half, Mahakala omnogovae was certainly a cute
dinosaur. But cuteness is not why paleontologists traveled to the
remote ends of Mongolia to find it. It's part of a much bigger story."
and
"Adding Mahakala to the mix produces a tree that shows birds sharing a
common ancestry with two groups of dinosaurs--the dromeosaurids and
the troodontids."
and
"Scientists have been discovering more and more dinosaur fossils with
traces of feathers or feather-like growths on their skin. In this new
tree, a species known as Jinfengopteryx--which had originally been
considered a bird--ends up on the troodontid branch, complete with
contour feathers of the sort you can find on birds today. It's
additional evidence that the common ancestor of birds and troodontids
and dromeosaurids already had fairly sophisticated feathers."
Budikka
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
CJ
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| User: "Kathy" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
11 Sep 2007 02:34:10 PM |
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"curtjester1" <curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the gods
or goddesses exist.
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| User: "curtjester1" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
11 Sep 2007 02:53:36 PM |
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On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
CJ
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
12 Sep 2007 08:59:38 AM |
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"curtjester1" <curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189540416.359124.65740@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the
gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
What god?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Kathy" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
12 Sep 2007 02:38:39 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"curtjester1" <curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189540416.359124.65740@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the
gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
What god?
The god who created women who suffer from endless "female" health issues due
to poor design by some creator out there in the Twilight Zone. ;0)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "curtjester1" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
12 Sep 2007 01:01:36 PM |
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On 12 Sep, 09:59, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189540416.359124.65740@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the
gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
What god?
--
The other one.
CJ
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
13 Sep 2007 08:35:34 AM |
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"curtjester1" <curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189620096.872130.142110@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On 12 Sep, 09:59, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189540416.359124.65740@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying
ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the
gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
What god?
--
The other one.
Whatever - PLONK
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "James Beck" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
12 Sep 2007 01:11:52 PM |
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In article <1189620096.872130.142110@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
curtjester1@hotmail.com says...
On 12 Sep, 09:59, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189540416.359124.65740@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the
gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
What god?
--
The other one.
You have more than one?
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| User: "Ips-Switch" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
12 Sep 2007 02:39:52 PM |
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"James Beck" <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2151f5ebf21d7c098a15d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
In article <1189620096.872130.142110@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
curtjester1@hotmail.com says...
On 12 Sep, 09:59, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189540416.359124.65740@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying
ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of
the
gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
What god?
--
The other one.
You have more than one?
Other than old Jehovah there are another 10,000 gods out there someone
somewhere is worshipping and fearing.
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| User: "James Beck" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
12 Sep 2007 03:20:07 PM |
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In article <46e84081$0$1345$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com>, Ips794
@spamnot.com says...
"James Beck" <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2151f5ebf21d7c098a15d@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
In article <1189620096.872130.142110@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
curtjester1@hotmail.com says...
On 12 Sep, 09:59, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189540416.359124.65740@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying
ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of
the
gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
What god?
--
The other one.
You have more than one?
Other than old Jehovah there are another 10,000 gods out there someone
somewhere is worshipping and fearing.
I didn't ask what the world had/has, I asked him what he had.
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| User: "curtjester1" |
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13 Sep 2007 10:28:23 AM |
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On 12 Sep, 14:11, James Beck <j...@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:
In article <1189620096.872130.142...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
curtjest...@hotmail.com says...
On 12 Sep, 09:59, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189540416.359124.65740@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the
gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
What god?
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The other one.
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Well since she 'plonked' me for that, I would say that her's is
different than ours. According to the Bible "there are many lords and
many gods...and one Lord (Jesus) and one God (Jehovah). Satan, who is
a creation of Jehovah, is now, "ruler of the world." I just surmize
that a witchcraft person is tuned in to that 'other one', Satan.
CJ
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
12 Sep 2007 01:52:33 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:11:52 -0400, James Beck
<jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:
In article <1189620096.872130.142110@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
curtjester1@hotmail.com says...
On 12 Sep, 09:59, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189540416.359124.65740@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the
gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
What god?
--
The other one.
You have more than one?
Christianity has three gods, actually. The "good" one, the "evil" one
and the "good" one's illegitimate son.
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| User: "James Beck" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
12 Sep 2007 03:18:46 PM |
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In article <v8dge3h6ph7cr5bv5u6o39m9bbavrf2j5i@4ax.com>,
nunya@bizniz.net says...
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:11:52 -0400, James Beck
<jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:
In article <1189620096.872130.142110@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
curtjester1@hotmail.com says...
On 12 Sep, 09:59, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189540416.359124.65740@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the
gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
What god?
--
The other one.
You have more than one?
Christianity has three gods, actually. The "good" one, the "evil" one
and the "good" one's illegitimate son.
I thought the "good one" and the son, were just extensions of each
other, and the "bad one" was just an angel that demanded a pay raise.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
13 Sep 2007 12:00:00 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:11:52 -0400, James Beck
<jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:
In article <1189620096.872130.142110@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
curtjester1@hotmail.com says...
On 12 Sep, 09:59, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189540416.359124.65740@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the
gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
What god?
--
The other one.
You have more than one?
Must be giving them away with bubble gum, or summat.
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The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
12 Sep 2007 08:56:45 AM |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:53:36 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
Fallacy of argument from incredulity.
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The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
11 Sep 2007 03:06:32 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:53:36 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
Biological systems don't look anything like human designed ones.
Humans make networks: they borrow ideas from one area to use in
another. So car designers took computers and put them in cars. We
don't see this in biota: bat wings are more like elephant legs or
whale flippers than they are like bird wings.
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| User: "curtjester1" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
11 Sep 2007 03:17:47 PM |
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On 11 Sep, 16:06, Matt Silberstein <matts2removet...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:53:36 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
Biological systems don't look anything like human designed ones.
Humans make networks: they borrow ideas from one area to use in
another. So car designers took computers and put them in cars. We
don't see this in biota: bat wings are more like elephant legs or
whale flippers than they are like bird wings.- Hide quoted text -
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Now I don't know what you are talking about. We're even.
CJ
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence of Evolution - The Dinosaur Ancestor of Birds Starts to Clarify |
11 Sep 2007 05:31:22 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:17:47 -0700, in alt.atheism , curtjester1
<curtjester1@hotmail.com> in
<1189541867.702562.39840@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 16:06, Matt Silberstein <matts2removet...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:53:36 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
Biological systems don't look anything like human designed ones.
Humans make networks: they borrow ideas from one area to use in
another. So car designers took computers and put them in cars. We
don't see this in biota: bat wings are more like elephant legs or
whale flippers than they are like bird wings.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Now I don't know what you are talking about. We're even.
You commented that some human bodies look so "marvelous" with "systems
within systems" that they must have been designed. I decided to ignore
the question about the less marvelous looking bodies and talk about
design in general. When humans design things they borrow ideas from
elsewhere. The people designing cars did not independently design
computers, instead they took the design of chips and computers from
the computer line. We don't see anything like that in biology. If
organisms are designed, then the designers don't talk to each other
and don't look at each others work. Otherwise the designer of flying
mammals would have borrowed from the designer of flying reptiles.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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On 11 Sep, 18:31, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:17:47 -0700, in alt.atheism , curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> in
<1189541867.702562.39...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 16:06, Matt Silberstein <matts2removet...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:53:36 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
Biological systems don't look anything like human designed ones.
Humans make networks: they borrow ideas from one area to use in
another. So car designers took computers and put them in cars. We
don't see this in biota: bat wings are more like elephant legs or
whale flippers than they are like bird wings.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Now I don't know what you are talking about. We're even.
You commented that some human bodies look so "marvelous" with "systems
within systems" that they must have been designed. I decided to ignore
the question about the less marvelous looking bodies and talk about
design in general. When humans design things they borrow ideas from
elsewhere. The people designing cars did not independently design
computers, instead they took the design of chips and computers from
the computer line. We don't see anything like that in biology. If
organisms are designed, then the designers don't talk to each other
and don't look at each others work. Otherwise the designer of flying
mammals would have borrowed from the designer of flying reptiles.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.orghttp://www.darfurgenocide.orghttp://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"- Hide quoted text -
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All I got was bat wings are closer to an elephants trunk than a....
Doesn't mean much to me, when you have science all in your defined
little hand. People get real evolutionary religious when DNA
coincides with animals or parts. Why don't people look at a
possibilty that a Creator can intermingle or use anything in designing
a 'new' creature?
CJ
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11 Sep 2007 10:20:32 PM |
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On Sep 12, 7:07 am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 18:31, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:17:47 -0700, in alt.atheism , curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> in
<1189541867.702562.39...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 16:06, Matt Silberstein <matts2removet...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:53:36 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
Biological systems don't look anything like human designed ones.
Humans make networks: they borrow ideas from one area to use in
another. So car designers took computers and put them in cars. We
don't see this in biota: bat wings are more like elephant legs or
whale flippers than they are like bird wings.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Now I don't know what you are talking about. We're even.
You commented that some human bodies look so "marvelous" with "systems
within systems" that they must have been designed. I decided to ignore
the question about the less marvelous looking bodies and talk about
design in general. When humans design things they borrow ideas from
elsewhere. The people designing cars did not independently design
computers, instead they took the design of chips and computers from
the computer line. We don't see anything like that in biology. If
organisms are designed, then the designers don't talk to each other
and don't look at each others work. Otherwise the designer of flying
mammals would have borrowed from the designer of flying reptiles.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.orghttp://www.darfurgenocide.orghttp://www.save...
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
All I got was bat wings are closer to an elephants trunk than a....
Doesn't mean much to me, when you have science all in your defined
little hand. People get real evolutionary religious when DNA
coincides with animals or parts. Why don't people look at a
possibilty that a Creator can intermingle or use anything in designing
a 'new' creature?
CJ- Hide quoted text -
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Pls go and play with your creator.....
Don't cross sword with human here.
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12 Sep 2007 02:35:26 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:07:59 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 18:31, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:17:47 -0700, in alt.atheism , curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> in
<1189541867.702562.39...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 16:06, Matt Silberstein <matts2removet...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:53:36 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
Biological systems don't look anything like human designed ones.
Humans make networks: they borrow ideas from one area to use in
another. So car designers took computers and put them in cars. We
don't see this in biota: bat wings are more like elephant legs or
whale flippers than they are like bird wings.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Now I don't know what you are talking about. We're even.
You commented that some human bodies look so "marvelous" with "systems
within systems" that they must have been designed. I decided to ignore
the question about the less marvelous looking bodies and talk about
design in general. When humans design things they borrow ideas from
elsewhere. The people designing cars did not independently design
computers, instead they took the design of chips and computers from
the computer line. We don't see anything like that in biology. If
organisms are designed, then the designers don't talk to each other
and don't look at each others work. Otherwise the designer of flying
mammals would have borrowed from the designer of flying reptiles.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.orghttp://www.darfurgenocide.orghttp://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
All I got was bat wings are closer to an elephants trunk than a....
Having a bit of reading trouble there, ain't ya kid?
Nobody mentioned elephant trunks.
Doesn't mean much to me, when you have science all in your defined
little hand. People get real evolutionary religious when DNA
coincides with animals or parts. Why don't people look at a
possibilty that a Creator can intermingle or use anything in designing
a 'new' creature?
That is the thing about an Intelligent Designer, isn't it?
An Intelligent Designer would learn from it's errors wouldn't you
think?
Wouldn't an Intelligent Designer would be expected to remove redundant
components from the body, in the same way that An Intelligent "car"
Designer does.
Wouldn't an Intelligent Designer, be expected to give it's "Top of the
Range" design, the best of everything?
Any second year engineering student, could point out the flaws in the
"design" of the human body.
Wouldn't an Intelligent Designer, capable of designing and
constructing a human being, be expected to know the rudiments of
leverage, and stress?
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The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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11 Sep 2007 06:47:43 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:07:59 -0700, in alt.atheism , curtjester1
<curtjester1@hotmail.com> in
<1189552079.503408.90920@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 18:31, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:17:47 -0700, in alt.atheism , curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> in
<1189541867.702562.39...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 16:06, Matt Silberstein <matts2removet...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:53:36 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 15:34, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:
"curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There's no evidence for it. There isn't even any evidence any of the gods
or goddesses exist.
I am sure you are so nice looking and well put together with all your
marvelous systems within systems that God 'must' have had a long hand
in this.
Biological systems don't look anything like human designed ones.
Humans make networks: they borrow ideas from one area to use in
another. So car designers took computers and put them in cars. We
don't see this in biota: bat wings are more like elephant legs or
whale flippers than they are like bird wings.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Now I don't know what you are talking about. We're even.
You commented that some human bodies look so "marvelous" with "systems
within systems" that they must have been designed. I decided to ignore
the question about the less marvelous looking bodies and talk about
design in general. When humans design things they borrow ideas from
elsewhere. The people designing cars did not independently design
computers, instead they took the design of chips and computers from
the computer line. We don't see anything like that in biology. If
organisms are designed, then the designers don't talk to each other
and don't look at each others work. Otherwise the designer of flying
mammals would have borrowed from the designer of flying reptiles.
All I got was bat wings are closer to an elephants trunk than a....
Read some biology books and stop playing games with me.
Doesn't mean much to me, when you have science all in your defined
little hand.
Define little hand? WTF does that mean?
People get real evolutionary religious when DNA
coincides with animals or parts.
Are you just stringing words together?
Why don't people look at a
possibilty that a Creator can intermingle or use anything in designing
a 'new' creature?
Why should they?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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12 Sep 2007 03:33:58 AM |
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"curtjester1" <curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 7, 7:04 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Carl Zimmer atwww.scienceblogs.com/loom:http://tinyurl.com/2jp8xo
reports on Mahakala omnogovae
"At about a pound and a half, Mahakala omnogovae was certainly a cute
dinosaur. But cuteness is not why paleontologists traveled to the
remote ends of Mongolia to find it. It's part of a much bigger story."
and
"Adding Mahakala to the mix produces a tree that shows birds sharing a
common ancestry with two groups of dinosaurs--the dromeosaurids and
the troodontids."
and
"Scientists have been discovering more and more dinosaur fossils with
traces of feathers or feather-like growths on their skin. In this new
tree, a species known as Jinfengopteryx--which had originally been
considered a bird--ends up on the troodontid branch, complete with
contour feathers of the sort you can find on birds today. It's
additional evidence that the common ancestor of birds and troodontids
and dromeosaurids already had fairly sophisticated feathers."
Budikka
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
CJ
Because, while we atheists may enjoy reading fantasies,
we don't believe in them.
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^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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13 Sep 2007 12:44:09 AM |
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In article <1189535290.441285.12810@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
curtjester1 <curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 7, 7:04 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Carl Zimmer atwww.scienceblogs.com/loom:http://tinyurl.com/2jp8xo
reports on Mahakala omnogovae
"At about a pound and a half, Mahakala omnogovae was certainly a cute
dinosaur. But cuteness is not why paleontologists traveled to the
remote ends of Mongolia to find it. It's part of a much bigger story."
and
"Adding Mahakala to the mix produces a tree that shows birds sharing a
common ancestry with two groups of dinosaurs--the dromeosaurids and
the troodontids."
and
"Scientists have been discovering more and more dinosaur fossils with
traces of feathers or feather-like growths on their skin. In this new
tree, a species known as Jinfengopteryx--which had originally been
considered a bird--ends up on the troodontid branch, complete with
contour feathers of the sort you can find on birds today. It's
additional evidence that the common ancestor of birds and troodontids
and dromeosaurids already had fairly sophisticated feathers."
Budikka
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
CJ
Sorry, dude. There are no gods.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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11 Sep 2007 06:54:05 PM |
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On Sep 11, 1:28 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 7, 7:04 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Carl Zimmer atwww.scienceblogs.com/loom:http://tinyurl.com/2jp8xo
reports on Mahakala omnogovae
"At about a pound and a half, Mahakala omnogovae was certainly a cute
dinosaur. But cuteness is not why paleontologists traveled to the
remote ends of Mongolia to find it. It's part of a much bigger story."
and
"Adding Mahakala to the mix produces a tree that shows birds sharing a
common ancestry with two groups of dinosaurs--the dromeosaurids and
the troodontids."
and
"Scientists have been discovering more and more dinosaur fossils with
traces of feathers or feather-like growths on their skin. In this new
tree, a species known as Jinfengopteryx--which had originally been
considered a bird--ends up on the troodontid branch, complete with
contour feathers of the sort you can find on birds today. It's
additional evidence that the common ancestor of birds and troodontids
and dromeosaurids already had fairly sophisticated feathers."
Budikka
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
CJ
Where's your evidence that there's a god?
Budikka
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11 Sep 2007 01:47:33 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:28:10 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 7, 7:04 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Carl Zimmer atwww.scienceblogs.com/loom:http://tinyurl.com/2jp8xo
reports on Mahakala omnogovae
"At about a pound and a half, Mahakala omnogovae was certainly a cute
dinosaur. But cuteness is not why paleontologists traveled to the
remote ends of Mongolia to find it. It's part of a much bigger story."
and
"Adding Mahakala to the mix produces a tree that shows birds sharing a
common ancestry with two groups of dinosaurs--the dromeosaurids and
the troodontids."
and
"Scientists have been discovering more and more dinosaur fossils with
traces of feathers or feather-like growths on their skin. In this new
tree, a species known as Jinfengopteryx--which had originally been
considered a bird--ends up on the troodontid branch, complete with
contour feathers of the sort you can find on birds today. It's
additional evidence that the common ancestor of birds and troodontids
and dromeosaurids already had fairly sophisticated feathers."
Budikka
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There is nothing in biology (geology, physics, etc.) that denies the
hand of God: simply put science produces explanations that do not
*require* the hand of God. It is possible that the angels push the
Moon in its orbit, but we don't include them in our calculations.
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11 Sep 2007 02:29:37 PM |
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On 11 Sep, 14:47, Matt Silberstein <matts2removet...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:28:10 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 7, 7:04 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Carl Zimmer atwww.scienceblogs.com/loom:http://tinyurl.com/2jp8xo
reports on Mahakala omnogovae
"At about a pound and a half, Mahakala omnogovae was certainly a cute
dinosaur. But cuteness is not why paleontologists traveled to the
remote ends of Mongolia to find it. It's part of a much bigger story."
and
"Adding Mahakala to the mix produces a tree that shows birds sharing a
common ancestry with two groups of dinosaurs--the dromeosaurids and
the troodontids."
and
"Scientists have been discovering more and more dinosaur fossils with
traces of feathers or feather-like growths on their skin. In this new
tree, a species known as Jinfengopteryx--which had originally been
considered a bird--ends up on the troodontid branch, complete with
contour feathers of the sort you can find on birds today. It's
additional evidence that the common ancestor of birds and troodontids
and dromeosaurids already had fairly sophisticated feathers."
Budikka
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There is nothing in biology (geology, physics, etc.) that denies the
hand of God: simply put science produces explanations that do not
*require* the hand of God. It is possible that the angels push the
Moon in its orbit, but we don't include them in our calculations.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
There are many though in your scientific communities that exclude for
an outside force to their determined scientific theory and make for
that as a etched in stone bona fide theory. Terminologies are used so
glibly in those scientific communities like the commercial with the
birds on the perch 'doing' stuff to get along. The slant is that
'they' are the ones thinking without giving possibility that they are
reacting without other recourse than their spontaneous activity.
Most logical people IMO would say they are not having a great brain
session before doing all the seeming miraculous things that they do.
CJ
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11 Sep 2007 03:01:15 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:29:37 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 14:47, Matt Silberstein <matts2removet...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:28:10 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 7, 7:04 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Carl Zimmer atwww.scienceblogs.com/loom:http://tinyurl.com/2jp8xo
reports on Mahakala omnogovae
"At about a pound and a half, Mahakala omnogovae was certainly a cute
dinosaur. But cuteness is not why paleontologists traveled to the
remote ends of Mongolia to find it. It's part of a much bigger story."
and
"Adding Mahakala to the mix produces a tree that shows birds sharing a
common ancestry with two groups of dinosaurs--the dromeosaurids and
the troodontids."
and
"Scientists have been discovering more and more dinosaur fossils with
traces of feathers or feather-like growths on their skin. In this new
tree, a species known as Jinfengopteryx--which had originally been
considered a bird--ends up on the troodontid branch, complete with
contour feathers of the sort you can find on birds today. It's
additional evidence that the common ancestor of birds and troodontids
and dromeosaurids already had fairly sophisticated feathers."
Budikka
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There is nothing in biology (geology, physics, etc.) that denies the
hand of God: simply put science produces explanations that do not
*require* the hand of God. It is possible that the angels push the
Moon in its orbit, but we don't include them in our calculations.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
There are many though in your scientific communities that exclude for
an outside force to their determined scientific theory and make for
that as a etched in stone bona fide theory.
What is an "outside force"? There are natural (law-like) forces, which
are scientific, and willful forces, which are not. And all science
excludes such willful forces from their models.
Terminologies are used so
glibly in those scientific communities like the commercial with the
birds on the perch 'doing' stuff to get along. The slant is that
'they' are the ones thinking without giving possibility that they are
reacting without other recourse than their spontaneous activity.
Most logical people IMO would say they are not having a great brain
session before doing all the seeming miraculous things that they do.
I have no idea what point you are making.
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11 Sep 2007 03:16:03 PM |
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On 11 Sep, 16:01, Matt Silberstein <matts2removet...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:29:37 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Sep, 14:47, Matt Silberstein <matts2removet...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:28:10 -0700, curtjester1
<curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 7, 7:04 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Carl Zimmer atwww.scienceblogs.com/loom:http://tinyurl.com/2jp8xo
reports on Mahakala omnogovae
"At about a pound and a half, Mahakala omnogovae was certainly a cute
dinosaur. But cuteness is not why paleontologists traveled to the
remote ends of Mongolia to find it. It's part of a much bigger story."
and
"Adding Mahakala to the mix produces a tree that shows birds sharing a
common ancestry with two groups of dinosaurs--the dromeosaurids and
the troodontids."
and
"Scientists have been discovering more and more dinosaur fossils with
traces of feathers or feather-like growths on their skin. In this new
tree, a species known as Jinfengopteryx--which had originally been
considered a bird--ends up on the troodontid branch, complete with
contour feathers of the sort you can find on birds today. It's
additional evidence that the common ancestor of birds and troodontids
and dromeosaurids already had fairly sophisticated feathers."
Budikka
How do you know that God didn't create a dinosaur with flying ability?
There is nothing in biology (geology, physics, etc.) that denies the
hand of God: simply put science produces explanations that do not
*require* the hand of God. It is possible that the angels push the
Moon in its orbit, but we don't include them in our calculations.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
There are many though in your scientific communities that exclude for
an outside force to their determined scientific theory and make for
that as a etched in stone bona fide theory.
What is an "outside force"? There are natural (law-like) forces, which
are scientific, and willful forces, which are not. And all science
excludes such willful forces from their models.
I am not so sure you can mutually exclude your attempted definitions
here. If God created wind I am sure he could use it in many ways and
not use it at all.
Terminologies are used so
glibly in those scientific communities like the commercial with the
birds on the perch 'doing' stuff to get along. The slant is that
'they' are the ones thinking without giving possibility that they are
reacting without other recourse than their spontaneous activity.
Most logical people IMO would say they are not having a great brain
session before doing all the seeming miraculous things that they do.
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I am just trying to point out that scientific 'explanations' are just
not well-defined while still trying to make their point absolute.
CJ
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