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"Barney Lyon" |
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12 Jan 2006 11:53:40 AM |
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More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
Biden: "Supreme Court confirmation hearings no longer useful; should be
abandoned."
If nominees for lifetime appointments to the highest court in the land
can refuse to answer questions because "that may come before me,"
(there is no legal restriction preventing candor), then any and all
nominations that the Senate is required by the Constitution to advise
and consent on can only be done in a vacuum of ignorance.
Republicans are now going to work on suspending the Constitution.
ASSOCIATED PRESS
January 12, 2006
WASHINGTON - Supreme Court nominees are so mum about the major legal
issues at their Senate confirmation hearings that the hearings serve
little purpose and should probably be abandoned, Democratic Sen. Joe
Biden said Thursday.
"The system's kind of broken," said Biden, a member of the Judiciary
Committee considering the nomination of Judge Samuel Alito.
"Nominees now, Democrat and Republican nominees, come before the United
States Congress and resolve not to let the people know what they think
about the important issues," such as a president's authority to go to
war, said Biden.
As the committee headed into its fourth day of hearings on the Alito
nomination, Biden told NBC's "Today" show that a better solution might
be to skip hearings and send nominations straight to the Senate floor
for a vote.
"Just go to the Senate floor and debate the nominee's statements," the
Delaware senator said, "instead of this game."
That was once standard practice. Until 1925, Supreme Court nominees
were not expected to testify before a committee, and their nominations
were sent straight to the floor, according to the Senate Historical
Office.
Biden defended Democratic senators' questions about Alito's membership
in a university group, Concerned Alumni of Princeton, known for its
opposition to opening the school to women and bringing in more
minorities. Alito's wife, Martha-Ann Bomgardner, was moved to tears
during the hearing Wednesday because of questions concerning whether
her husband held any bias against women or minorities.
"I take him at his word that he didn't know what the group stood for,
but I'm required to ask him," Biden said. He said membership in the
group raised questions about "how sensitive he is to the plight of
women."
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20060112-0502-alito-biden.html
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
12 Jan 2006 12:09:44 PM |
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Biden should quit being so lazy. He's never heard of Google, Lexis,
Nexis? If any nominee had even done so much as written something crazy
in law school, he could find it - the same way that conservatives
forced the Klintons to pull a Justice Dept. nominee over her crazy
law-review writings.
No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
12 Jan 2006 12:43:37 PM |
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<> wrote:
Biden should quit being so lazy. He's never heard of Google, Lexis,
Nexis? If any nominee had even done so much as written something crazy
The point is that the republican judiciary committee members don't
care about Alito's views. They're just rubber stamps for Bush's
demands.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deopatra" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
12 Jan 2006 12:44:18 PM |
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X-No-archive: yes
editor@netpath.net wrote:
Biden should quit being so lazy. He's never heard of Google, Lexis,
Nexis? If any nominee had even done so much as written something crazy
in law school, he could find it - the same way that conservatives
forced the Klintons to pull a Justice Dept. nominee over her crazy
law-review writings.
Sir, you and I both know the Nazicrats don't ask this class of
questions to shed light on any particular issue but rather to embarrass
and impugn the integrity of these nominees. If anyone is attempting to
impose a judicial litmus test on these SC nominees, clearly it's the
Nazicrats.
It's now their de facto position that NO Supreme Court decision they
like, especially Roe v Wade and Sodomy rulings, shall ever, ever be
changed or altered under Stare Decisis. They aim to institutionalize
their liberalism through the courts, to effect sweeping social changes
they know the people would never effect through their respective state
legislatures or the U.S. Congress.
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| User: "Barney Lyon" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
12 Jan 2006 08:48:02 PM |
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Deopatra wrote:
Sir, you and I both know the Demacrats don't ask this class of
questions to shed light on any particular issue but rather to embarrass
and impugn the integrity of these nominees.
Which questions might those be?
You can find the transcripts of the hearings here:
http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/campaignforthecourt/2006/01/transcript_of_t_1.html
If anyone is attempting to
impose a judicial litmus test on these SC nominees, clearly it's the
Demacrats.
How?
It's now their de facto position that NO Supreme Court decision they
like, especially Roe v Wade and Sodomy rulings, shall ever, ever be
changed or altered under Stare Decisis. They aim to institutionalize
their liberalism through the courts, to effect sweeping social changes
they know the people would never effect through their respective state
legislatures or the U.S. Congress.
That's a mouthful! And a roundabout way of saying that Demacrats will
fight to protect Americans' rights under the law. The Constitution.
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
12 Jan 2006 01:57:55 PM |
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On 12 Jan 2006 10:44:18 -0800, "Deopatra"
<Rumprider_Ridge@hotmail.com> wrote:
X-No-archive: yes
editor@netpath.net wrote:
Biden should quit being so lazy. He's never heard of Google, Lexis,
Nexis? If any nominee had even done so much as written something crazy
in law school, he could find it - the same way that conservatives
forced the Klintons to pull a Justice Dept. nominee over her crazy
law-review writings.
Sir, you and I both know the Nazicrats don't ask this class of
questions to shed light on any particular issue but rather to embarrass
and impugn the integrity of these nominees. If anyone is attempting to
impose a judicial litmus test on these SC nominees, clearly it's the
Nazicrats.
Oh, *****. Remember when Miers wouldn't come out solidly against
Roe and the Repubs started clamouring for her to be withdrawn from
consideration, you stupid turd?
---
I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
‘Republican’, but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I’ll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
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| User: "Defendario" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
12 Jan 2006 02:53:57 PM |
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Adam H. wrote:
On 12 Jan 2006 10:44:18 -0800, "Deopatra"
<Rumprider_Ridge@hotmail.com> wrote:
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X-No-archive: yes
editor@netpath.net wrote:
Biden should quit being so lazy. He's never heard of Google, Lexis,
Nexis? If any nominee had even done so much as written something craz=
y
in law school, he could find it - the same way that conservatives
forced the Klintons to pull a Justice Dept. nominee over her crazy
law-review writings.
Sir, you and I both know the Nazicrats don't ask this class of
questions to shed light on any particular issue but rather to embarrass=
and impugn the integrity of these nominees. If anyone is attempting to
impose a judicial litmus test on these SC nominees, clearly it's the
Nazicrats.
=20
=20
Oh, *****. Remember when Miers wouldn't come out solidly against
Roe and the Repubs started clamouring for her to be withdrawn from
consideration, you stupid turd?
Indeed. The RRR has the veto over Herr Bushler's initiatives. It is=20
the unholy alliance of the NeoCon deathkult and the Armageddon freaks.
---
I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
=91Republican=92, but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I=92ll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.=20
=20
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
12 Jan 2006 02:15:07 PM |
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Your reading Joe Biden through your foggy Republican colored lense.
All of his past court decissons have been reviewed by Biden and others. what
he is asking is what are his 'presernt views" on key issues and the
candidate is just dodging the issues.
Stating that these issues may be bfore the court in the future is just pure
legerdemain.
<editor@netpath.net> wrote in message
news:1137089384.901714.225230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Biden should quit being so lazy. He's never heard of Google, Lexis,
Nexis? If any nominee had even done so much as written something crazy
in law school, he could find it - the same way that conservatives
forced the Klintons to pull a Justice Dept. nominee over her crazy
law-review writings.
No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
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| User: "Defendario" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
12 Jan 2006 02:59:19 PM |
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Bill wrote:
Your reading Joe Biden through your foggy Republican colored lense.
All of his past court decissons have been reviewed by Biden and others. what
he is asking is what are his 'presernt views" on key issues and the
candidate is just dodging the issues.
Stating that these issues may be bfore the court in the future is just pure
legerdemain.
Which is why Biden is exactly right about the hearings. It's really a
chance for Scalito to 'splain himself, but if he doesn't want to use the
opportunity wisely, the Dems should announce the filibuster based upon
the necessity of maintaining the status quo.
The addition to the USSC of a fascist like Scalito must be prevented,
unless the court is to be packed by a future President. The rights and
freedoms modern Americans hold dear are at stake. Let us cut to the chase.
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
12 Jan 2006 06:15:52 PM |
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"Barney Lyon" <fountaingrove@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137088420.830158.92060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Biden: "Supreme Court confirmation hearings no longer useful; should be
abandoned."
If nominees for lifetime appointments to the highest court in the land
can refuse to answer questions because "that may come before me,"
(there is no legal restriction preventing candor), then any and all
nominations that the Senate is required by the Constitution to advise
and consent on can only be done in a vacuum of ignorance.
Well, it seems to me these Senators only have themselves to blame. If the
nominee just makes one small mistake, and if those who oppose the nominee
can, they will bury the guy or gal who is before them......
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| User: "Barney Lyon" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
12 Jan 2006 09:01:21 PM |
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Jerry Okamura wrote:
"Barney Lyon" <fountaingrove@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137088420.830158.92060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Biden: "Supreme Court confirmation hearings no longer useful; should be
abandoned."
If nominees for lifetime appointments to the highest court in the land
can refuse to answer questions because "that may come before me,"
(there is no legal restriction preventing candor), then any and all
nominations that the Senate is required by the Constitution to advise
and consent on can only be done in a vacuum of ignorance.
Well, it seems to me these Senators only have themselves to blame. If the
nominee just makes one small mistake, and if those who oppose the nominee
can, they will bury the guy or gal who is before them......
One small mistake? Like?
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| User: "mimus" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
12 Jan 2006 06:50:21 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:15:52 GMT, Jerry Okamura wrote:
"Barney Lyon" <fountaingrove@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137088420.830158.92060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Biden: "Supreme Court confirmation hearings no longer useful; should be
abandoned."
If nominees for lifetime appointments to the highest court in the land
can refuse to answer questions because "that may come before me,"
(there is no legal restriction preventing candor), then any and all
nominations that the Senate is required by the Constitution to advise
and consent on can only be done in a vacuum of ignorance.
Well, it seems to me these Senators only have themselves to blame. If the
nominee just makes one small mistake, and if those who oppose the nominee
can, they will bury the guy or gal who is before them......
That can be the result of partisan nomination.
What gets me is that this bob- 'n'- weave business makes a mockery of the
approval produre, and is therefore contemptuous of it, as well as the
Judiciary Committee, the Senate and the Constitution, which mandates the
procedure.
And the right thing to do would be to vote on that ground alone against any
nominee that doesn't open up about his personal philosophy, where he thinks
it's affected his rulings, how he's had to rule against it on such- and-
such occasions, and so on.
I mean, every judge is going to have to rule against the grain on occasion.
It comes with the job, assuming one is interested in doing the job.
OTOH, any judge who is a member of the Federalist Society should be voted
against, too, due to the profound disingenuousness (at best) of that
Society.
That Society always whines about how it's just a forum for the airing of
conservative ideas that the liberal bias of academia suppresses, but never
seems to give any examples of responsible conservative ideas that the evil
liberals suppress.
And its "King Charles' head" seems to be the rejection of Bork, claiming
that his being an up- front conservative what was sank him, although what
sank Bork, long before he made it to before the Committee, was his being
Nixon's hatchetman at Justice in "the Saturday Night Massacre", the firing
of the original Watergate special prosecution team, Bork being Solicitor-
General and thus number three man at Justice at the time, and the Attorney-
General and Assistant Attorney- General having already resigned rather than
agreeing to do so.
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Nothing so illuminates the end as the means.
And the means is frequently the real end.
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
13 Jan 2006 01:04:28 PM |
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Confusing response....
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jxy9s1sdqwp2.1g0ibuaczg31e.dlg@40tude.net...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:15:52 GMT, Jerry Okamura wrote:
Well, it seems to me these Senators only have themselves to blame. If
the
nominee just makes one small mistake, and if those who oppose the nominee
can, they will bury the guy or gal who is before them......
That can be the result of partisan nomination.
What gets me is that this bob- 'n'- weave business makes a mockery of the
approval produre, and is therefore contemptuous of it, as well as the
Judiciary Committee, the Senate and the Constitution, which mandates the
procedure.
And the right thing to do would be to vote on that ground alone against
any
nominee that doesn't open up about his personal philosophy, where he
thinks
it's affected his rulings, how he's had to rule against it on such- and-
such occasions, and so on.
I mean, every judge is going to have to rule against the grain on
occasion.
It comes with the job, assuming one is interested in doing the job.
OTOH, any judge who is a member of the Federalist Society should be voted
against, too, due to the profound disingenuousness (at best) of that
Society.
That Society always whines about how it's just a forum for the airing of
conservative ideas that the liberal bias of academia suppresses, but never
seems to give any examples of responsible conservative ideas that the evil
liberals suppress.
And its "King Charles' head" seems to be the rejection of Bork, claiming
that his being an up- front conservative what was sank him, although what
sank Bork, long before he made it to before the Committee, was his being
Nixon's hatchetman at Justice in "the Saturday Night Massacre", the firing
of the original Watergate special prosecution team, Bork being Solicitor-
General and thus number three man at Justice at the time, and the
Attorney-
General and Assistant Attorney- General having already resigned rather
than
agreeing to do so.
--
Nothing so illuminates the end as the means.
And the means is frequently the real end.
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| User: "mimus" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
13 Jan 2006 03:02:13 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:04:28 GMT, Jerry Okamura wrote:
Confusing response....
Two for the price of one. Maybe three.
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Nothing so illuminates the end as the means.
And the means is frequently the real end.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: More Evidence That "The Experiment is Over," - R.I.P. USA |
13 Jan 2006 01:34:23 PM |
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On 12 Jan 2006 09:53:40 -0800, "Barney Lyon" <fountaingrove@hotmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Biden: "Supreme Court confirmation hearings no longer useful; should be
abandoned."
If nominees for lifetime appointments to the highest court in the land
can refuse to answer questions because "that may come before me,"
(there is no legal restriction preventing candor), then any and all
nominations that the Senate is required by the Constitution to advise
and consent on can only be done in a vacuum of ignorance.
Republicans are now going to work on suspending the Constitution.
That was done middle January 2001.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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