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"Jason Spaceman" |
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18 Jul 2006 03:23:06 AM |
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More Hovind Hilarity |
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
Evangelist says he's owned by God
Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com
Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind pleaded not guilty Monday to a
58-count federal indictment after saying he did not recognize the
government's right to try him on tax-fraud charges.
Hovind, who calls himself "Dr. Dino," owns Dinosaur Adventure Land at
5800 N. Palafox St., Pensacola, a creationist theme park dedicated to
debunking evolution.
For years, he has claimed that he is employed by God and has no income
or property because everything he owns belongs to God. He believes man
and dinosaurs inhabited the earth together and has offered a $250,000
reward to anyone who can offer him satisfactory proof of evolution.
Hovind's attorney, Assistant Public Defender Kafahni Nkrumah, told
U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis at a hearing Monday that his client
did not want to enter a plea because he does not believe the United
States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office
"have jurisdiction in this matter."
When pressed by Davis to enter a plea of either guilty or not guilty,
Hovind said he wished to enter a plea of "subornation of false
muster."
"Subornation," according to Webster's Dictionary, means instigating
another to do something illegal. "Muster" is an assembly, often for
inspection or roll call.
When pressed by Davis, Hovind said he was entering a not guilty plea
"under duress."
Hovind's wife, Jo, who is charged in 44 counts along with her husband,
also pleaded not guilty. Her co-appointed attorney, Ken Ridlehoover,
said he had just met her 15 minutes before the hearing so hadn't had
time to discuss the case with her.
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
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Read it at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060718/NEWS01/607180319/1006
or http://tinyurl.com/pno2r
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Will in New Haven" |
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18 Jul 2006 10:33:48 AM |
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Kermit wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
Evangelist says he's owned by God
Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com
Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind pleaded not guilty Monday to a
58-count federal indictment after saying he did not recognize the
government's right to try him on tax-fraud charges.
Hovind, who calls himself "Dr. Dino," owns Dinosaur Adventure Land at
5800 N. Palafox St., Pensacola, a creationist theme park dedicated to
debunking evolution.
For years, he has claimed that he is employed by God and has no income
or property because everything he owns belongs to God. He believes man
and dinosaurs inhabited the earth together and has offered a $250,000
reward to anyone who can offer him satisfactory proof of evolution.
Hovind's attorney, Assistant Public Defender Kafahni Nkrumah, told
U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis at a hearing Monday that his client
did not want to enter a plea because he does not believe the United
States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office
"have jurisdiction in this matter."
When pressed by Davis to enter a plea of either guilty or not guilty,
Hovind said he wished to enter a plea of "subornation of false
muster."
"Subornation," according to Webster's Dictionary, means instigating
another to do something illegal. "Muster" is an assembly, often for
inspection or roll call.
When pressed by Davis, Hovind said he was entering a not guilty plea
"under duress."
Hovind's wife, Jo, who is charged in 44 counts along with her husband,
also pleaded not guilty. Her co-appointed attorney, Ken Ridlehoover,
said he had just met her 15 minutes before the hearing so hadn't had
time to discuss the case with her.
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
--------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060718/NEWS01/607180319/1006
or http://tinyurl.com/pno2r
"May it please the court, I move that we drop all charges and
confiscate the house, vehicles, land, and silly props to sell off and
feed the poor with the proceeds. Any future income this man earns will
also be given to the poor and hungry.
This looks like the obvious solution. I wanted to suggest giving it all
to ME but I realize that this would take quite an odd reading of the
bibble and other documents showing godd's will. Although I am named
Will.
If God does not feed this man, he should be welcome to stop by the soup
kitchen his god has generously paid for.
I think this is only fair. For that matter, he should be reserved space
in the former abusement park where he can use a sleeping-bag. As a
holy-man, he may or may not wish to use a begging bowl.
Oh, and the state recommends the maximum penalty for threatening
federal agents."
Florida is not that fond of federal agents. 1865 didn't settle
anything.
Will in New Haven
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J. Spaceman
Kermit
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| User: "Kermit" |
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18 Jul 2006 12:51:29 PM |
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Will in New Haven wrote:
Kermit wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
Evangelist says he's owned by God
Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com
Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind pleaded not guilty Monday to a
58-count federal indictment after saying he did not recognize the
government's right to try him on tax-fraud charges.
Hovind, who calls himself "Dr. Dino," owns Dinosaur Adventure Land at
5800 N. Palafox St., Pensacola, a creationist theme park dedicated to
debunking evolution.
For years, he has claimed that he is employed by God and has no income
or property because everything he owns belongs to God. He believes man
and dinosaurs inhabited the earth together and has offered a $250,000
reward to anyone who can offer him satisfactory proof of evolution.
Hovind's attorney, Assistant Public Defender Kafahni Nkrumah, told
U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis at a hearing Monday that his client
did not want to enter a plea because he does not believe the United
States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office
"have jurisdiction in this matter."
When pressed by Davis to enter a plea of either guilty or not guilty,
Hovind said he wished to enter a plea of "subornation of false
muster."
"Subornation," according to Webster's Dictionary, means instigating
another to do something illegal. "Muster" is an assembly, often for
inspection or roll call.
When pressed by Davis, Hovind said he was entering a not guilty plea
"under duress."
Hovind's wife, Jo, who is charged in 44 counts along with her husband,
also pleaded not guilty. Her co-appointed attorney, Ken Ridlehoover,
said he had just met her 15 minutes before the hearing so hadn't had
time to discuss the case with her.
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
--------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060718/NEWS01/607180319/1006
or http://tinyurl.com/pno2r
"May it please the court, I move that we drop all charges and
confiscate the house, vehicles, land, and silly props to sell off and
feed the poor with the proceeds. Any future income this man earns will
also be given to the poor and hungry.
This looks like the obvious solution. I wanted to suggest giving it all
to ME but I realize that this would take quite an odd reading of the
bibble and other documents showing godd's will. Although I am named
Will.
Works for me. <shrug> I was just trying to be politically expediant.
If God does not feed this man, he should be welcome to stop by the soup
kitchen his god has generously paid for.
I think this is only fair. For that matter, he should be reserved space
in the former abusement park where he can use a sleeping-bag. As a
holy-man, he may or may not wish to use a begging bowl.
Oh, and the state recommends the maximum penalty for threatening
federal agents."
Florida is not that fond of federal agents. 1865 didn't settle
anything.
Ah, well. Best perhaps not to bring it up then. Wouldn't want to risk
him getting rewarded in any way..
Will in New Haven
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J. Spaceman
Kermit
Kermit
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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18 Jul 2006 05:22:40 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
Evangelist says he's owned by God
Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com
Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind pleaded not guilty Monday to a
58-count federal indictment after saying he did not recognize the
government's right to try him on tax-fraud charges.
Hovind, who calls himself "Dr. Dino," owns Dinosaur Adventure Land at
5800 N. Palafox St., Pensacola, a creationist theme park dedicated to
debunking evolution.
For years, he has claimed that he is employed by God and has no income
or property because everything he owns belongs to God. He believes man
and dinosaurs inhabited the earth together and has offered a $250,000
reward to anyone who can offer him satisfactory proof of evolution.
Hovind's attorney, Assistant Public Defender Kafahni Nkrumah, told
U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis at a hearing Monday that his client
did not want to enter a plea because he does not believe the United
States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office
"have jurisdiction in this matter."
When pressed by Davis to enter a plea of either guilty or not guilty,
Hovind said he wished to enter a plea of "subornation of false
muster."
"Subornation," according to Webster's Dictionary, means instigating
another to do something illegal. "Muster" is an assembly, often for
inspection or roll call.
When pressed by Davis, Hovind said he was entering a not guilty plea
"under duress."
Hovind's wife, Jo, who is charged in 44 counts along with her husband,
also pleaded not guilty. Her co-appointed attorney, Ken Ridlehoover,
said he had just met her 15 minutes before the hearing so hadn't had
time to discuss the case with her.
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
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Oh brother! This clown WANTS to do time.
--
"Laughter is not a sin intrinsically, but it produces sin"
"Homilies - Adversus ebriosos et de resurrectione domini
nostri Jesu" - St. John Chrysostom
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| User: "bullpup" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
18 Jul 2006 05:33:50 AM |
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"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12bpdjdsm5ajf11@corp.supernews.com...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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<snip>
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
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Oh brother! This clown WANTS to do time.
So he can cry "Persecution!"
Boikat
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"I reject your reality, and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage, Mythbusters-
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18 Jul 2006 09:23:08 AM |
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bullpup wrote:
"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12bpdjdsm5ajf11@corp.supernews.com...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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<snip>
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
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Oh brother! This clown WANTS to do time.
So he can cry "Persecution!"
The IRS is famously and notoriously unamused with these kinds of
defenses.
Chris
Boikat
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"I reject your reality, and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage, Mythbusters-
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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18 Jul 2006 07:31:01 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:22:40 -0500, in talk.origins , wbarwell
<wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> in <12bpdjdsm5ajf11@corp.supernews.com>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
Evangelist says he's owned by God
Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com
Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind pleaded not guilty Monday to a
58-count federal indictment after saying he did not recognize the
government's right to try him on tax-fraud charges.
Hovind, who calls himself "Dr. Dino," owns Dinosaur Adventure Land at
5800 N. Palafox St., Pensacola, a creationist theme park dedicated to
debunking evolution.
For years, he has claimed that he is employed by God and has no income
or property because everything he owns belongs to God. He believes man
and dinosaurs inhabited the earth together and has offered a $250,000
reward to anyone who can offer him satisfactory proof of evolution.
Hovind's attorney, Assistant Public Defender Kafahni Nkrumah, told
U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis at a hearing Monday that his client
did not want to enter a plea because he does not believe the United
States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office
"have jurisdiction in this matter."
When pressed by Davis to enter a plea of either guilty or not guilty,
Hovind said he wished to enter a plea of "subornation of false
muster."
"Subornation," according to Webster's Dictionary, means instigating
another to do something illegal. "Muster" is an assembly, often for
inspection or roll call.
When pressed by Davis, Hovind said he was entering a not guilty plea
"under duress."
Hovind's wife, Jo, who is charged in 44 counts along with her husband,
also pleaded not guilty. Her co-appointed attorney, Ken Ridlehoover,
said he had just met her 15 minutes before the hearing so hadn't had
time to discuss the case with her.
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
--------------------------------------------------------------
Oh brother! This clown WANTS to do time.
There is also the very real possibility that he is actually insane. We
toss that term out easily, but Hovind may well believe these things as
stated. That is not proof he is insane, but it suggests it.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Harry K" |
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18 Jul 2006 09:17:09 AM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:22:40 -0500, in talk.origins , wbarwell
<wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> in <12bpdjdsm5ajf11@corp.supernews.com>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
Evangelist says he's owned by God
Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com
Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind pleaded not guilty Monday to a
58-count federal indictment after saying he did not recognize the
government's right to try him on tax-fraud charges.
Hovind, who calls himself "Dr. Dino," owns Dinosaur Adventure Land at
5800 N. Palafox St., Pensacola, a creationist theme park dedicated to
debunking evolution.
For years, he has claimed that he is employed by God and has no income
or property because everything he owns belongs to God. He believes man
and dinosaurs inhabited the earth together and has offered a $250,000
reward to anyone who can offer him satisfactory proof of evolution.
Hovind's attorney, Assistant Public Defender Kafahni Nkrumah, told
U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis at a hearing Monday that his client
did not want to enter a plea because he does not believe the United
States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office
"have jurisdiction in this matter."
When pressed by Davis to enter a plea of either guilty or not guilty,
Hovind said he wished to enter a plea of "subornation of false
muster."
"Subornation," according to Webster's Dictionary, means instigating
another to do something illegal. "Muster" is an assembly, often for
inspection or roll call.
When pressed by Davis, Hovind said he was entering a not guilty plea
"under duress."
Hovind's wife, Jo, who is charged in 44 counts along with her husband,
also pleaded not guilty. Her co-appointed attorney, Ken Ridlehoover,
said he had just met her 15 minutes before the hearing so hadn't had
time to discuss the case with her.
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
--------------------------------------------------------------
Oh brother! This clown WANTS to do time.
There is also the very real possibility that he is actually insane. We
toss that term out easily, but Hovind may well believe these things as
stated. That is not proof he is insane, but it suggests it.
--
Matt Silberstein
Or is trying for an insanity plea. Reading that I was wondering if he
is building one up by doing real illogical things. Unlikely to work as
the psychiatrists are not that gullible.
Harry K
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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18 Jul 2006 06:37:55 PM |
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"Harry K" <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1153232229.425971.182100@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
There is also the very real possibility that he is actually insane.
We toss that term out easily, but Hovind may well believe these
things as stated. That is not proof he is insane, but it suggests it.
Or is trying for an insanity plea. Reading that I was wondering if he
is building one up by doing real illogical things. Unlikely to work
as the psychiatrists are not that gullible.
Maybe he's planning to run for public office: voters are that gullible.
--
Doc Smartass
Investigate.
Indict.
Impeach.
Imprison.
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| User: "Richard Clayton" |
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19 Jul 2006 10:18:23 PM |
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Harry K wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:22:40 -0500, in talk.origins , wbarwell
<wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> in <12bpdjdsm5ajf11@corp.supernews.com>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
Evangelist says he's owned by God
Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com
Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind pleaded not guilty Monday to a
58-count federal indictment after saying he did not recognize the
government's right to try him on tax-fraud charges.
Hovind, who calls himself "Dr. Dino," owns Dinosaur Adventure Land at
5800 N. Palafox St., Pensacola, a creationist theme park dedicated to
debunking evolution.
For years, he has claimed that he is employed by God and has no income
or property because everything he owns belongs to God. He believes man
and dinosaurs inhabited the earth together and has offered a $250,000
reward to anyone who can offer him satisfactory proof of evolution.
Hovind's attorney, Assistant Public Defender Kafahni Nkrumah, told
U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis at a hearing Monday that his client
did not want to enter a plea because he does not believe the United
States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office
"have jurisdiction in this matter."
When pressed by Davis to enter a plea of either guilty or not guilty,
Hovind said he wished to enter a plea of "subornation of false
muster."
"Subornation," according to Webster's Dictionary, means instigating
another to do something illegal. "Muster" is an assembly, often for
inspection or roll call.
When pressed by Davis, Hovind said he was entering a not guilty plea
"under duress."
Hovind's wife, Jo, who is charged in 44 counts along with her husband,
also pleaded not guilty. Her co-appointed attorney, Ken Ridlehoover,
said he had just met her 15 minutes before the hearing so hadn't had
time to discuss the case with her.
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
--------------------------------------------------------------
Oh brother! This clown WANTS to do time.
There is also the very real possibility that he is actually insane. We
toss that term out easily, but Hovind may well believe these things as
stated. That is not proof he is insane, but it suggests it.
--
Matt Silberstein
Or is trying for an insanity plea. Reading that I was wondering if he
is building one up by doing real illogical things. Unlikely to work as
the psychiatrists are not that gullible.
"A few months in an insane asylum? I could do that standing on my head!"
"If you start now, it might help our case."
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"During wars laws are silent." -- Cicero
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| User: "Mark Isaak" |
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19 Jul 2006 02:44:20 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:17:09 -0700, Harry K wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:22:40 -0500, in talk.origins , wbarwell
<wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> in <12bpdjdsm5ajf11@corp.supernews.com>
wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
[...]
Hovind's attorney, Assistant Public Defender Kafahni Nkrumah, told
U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis at a hearing Monday that his client
did not want to enter a plea because he does not believe the United
States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office
"have jurisdiction in this matter."
[...]
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
--------------------------------------------------------------
Oh brother! This clown WANTS to do time.
There is also the very real possibility that he is actually insane. We
toss that term out easily, but Hovind may well believe these things as
stated. That is not proof he is insane, but it suggests it.
Or is trying for an insanity plea.
Doubtful. An insanity plea might keep him out of jail (but probably not;
usually it just gets you into a different jail), but even if so, what kind
of living could he make afterwards as a creationist who *admits* his
disconnection with reality?
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering
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| User: "Dana Tweedy" |
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19 Jul 2006 09:06:22 AM |
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"Mark Isaak" <eciton_NOSPAM@earthlink.guess> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.19.07.42.47.640990@earthlink.guess...
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Or is trying for an insanity plea.
Doubtful. An insanity plea might keep him out of jail (but probably not;
usually it just gets you into a different jail), but even if so, what kind
of living could he make afterwards as a creationist who *admits* his
disconnection with reality?
I would think that would be a positive boon to a creationist, and his
audience.
DJT
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| User: "Andrew Arensburger" |
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19 Jul 2006 11:56:57 AM |
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In talk.origins Dana Tweedy <reddfrogg@earthlink.net> wrote:
"Mark Isaak" <eciton_NOSPAM@earthlink.guess> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.19.07.42.47.640990@earthlink.guess...
what kind
of living could he make afterwards as a creationist who *admits* his
disconnection with reality?
I would think that would be a positive boon to a creationist, and his
audience.
They couch it in different terms, though. They don't pride
themselves on their ability to believe six impossible things before
breakfast; they pride themselves on having faith in trying
circumstances.
--
Andrew Arensburger, Systems guy University of Maryland
arensb.no-bloody-spam@umd.edu Office of Information Technology
I'm taking small doses of reality to build up immunity.
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| User: "Richard Clayton" |
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19 Jul 2006 10:16:50 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
Evangelist says he's owned by God
Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com
Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind pleaded not guilty Monday to a
58-count federal indictment after saying he did not recognize the
government's right to try him on tax-fraud charges.
Hovind, who calls himself "Dr. Dino," owns Dinosaur Adventure Land at
5800 N. Palafox St., Pensacola, a creationist theme park dedicated to
debunking evolution.
For years, he has claimed that he is employed by God and has no income
or property because everything he owns belongs to God. He believes man
and dinosaurs inhabited the earth together and has offered a $250,000
reward to anyone who can offer him satisfactory proof of evolution.
Hovind's attorney, Assistant Public Defender Kafahni Nkrumah, told
U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis at a hearing Monday that his client
did not want to enter a plea because he does not believe the United
States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office
"have jurisdiction in this matter."
When pressed by Davis to enter a plea of either guilty or not guilty,
Hovind said he wished to enter a plea of "subornation of false
muster."
"Subornation," according to Webster's Dictionary, means instigating
another to do something illegal. "Muster" is an assembly, often for
inspection or roll call.
When pressed by Davis, Hovind said he was entering a not guilty plea
"under duress."
Hovind's wife, Jo, who is charged in 44 counts along with her husband,
also pleaded not guilty. Her co-appointed attorney, Ken Ridlehoover,
said he had just met her 15 minutes before the hearing so hadn't had
time to discuss the case with her.
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
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Oh brother! This clown WANTS to do time.
I suspect at this point, he's realized that he's going to prison and
wants to bang the martyrdom gong as hard as he can. As a tax evader, he
*MIGHT* wind up doing a comparatively short sentence in a minimum
security prison. A judge in the US south *MIGHT* be inclined to show
lenience to a popular evangelist who claims to act in the name of God,
and anyway it's not like Hovind did something really VIOLENT, like smoke
a joint.
(But I'm fuzzy on crime and punishment when it comes to tax laws, so
please correct me if I'm wrong.)
Meanwhile expect Creation Science Evangelism Ministries to flog this
for all it's worth; they'll call it anti-Christian persecution (because
the mostly-Christian government is notoriously anti-Christian, don't you
know), and a government attempt to suppress the Truth of Creation by
illegally throwing him into jail. If Coulter or O'Reilly mention this,
Hovind will be MADE for many years to come.
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Richard Clayton
"During wars laws are silent." -- Cicero
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| User: "wf3h" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
18 Jul 2006 07:36:50 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
Evangelist says he's owned by God
Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com
Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind pleaded not guilty Monday to a
58-count federal indictment after saying he did not recognize the
government's right to try him on tax-fraud charges.
Hovind, who calls himself "Dr. Dino," owns Dinosaur Adventure Land at
5800 N. Palafox St., Pensacola, a creationist theme park dedicated to
debunking evolution.
For years, he has claimed that he is employed by God and has no income
or property because everything he owns belongs to God. He believes man
and dinosaurs inhabited the earth together and has offered a $250,000
reward to anyone who can offer him satisfactory proof of evolution.
Hovind's attorney, Assistant Public Defender Kafahni Nkrumah, told
U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis at a hearing Monday that his client
did not want to enter a plea because he does not believe the United
States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office
"have jurisdiction in this matter."
When pressed by Davis to enter a plea of either guilty or not guilty,
Hovind said he wished to enter a plea of "subornation of false
muster."
my wife, who is a public defender, had a good chuckle over THAT little
bit of legal folderole...
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| User: "Bill Hudson" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
19 Jul 2006 12:05:06 AM |
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wf3h wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
Evangelist says he's owned by God
Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com
Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind pleaded not guilty Monday to a
58-count federal indictment after saying he did not recognize the
government's right to try him on tax-fraud charges.
Hovind, who calls himself "Dr. Dino," owns Dinosaur Adventure Land at
5800 N. Palafox St., Pensacola, a creationist theme park dedicated to
debunking evolution.
For years, he has claimed that he is employed by God and has no income
or property because everything he owns belongs to God. He believes man
and dinosaurs inhabited the earth together and has offered a $250,000
reward to anyone who can offer him satisfactory proof of evolution.
Hovind's attorney, Assistant Public Defender Kafahni Nkrumah, told
U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis at a hearing Monday that his client
did not want to enter a plea because he does not believe the United
States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office
"have jurisdiction in this matter."
When pressed by Davis to enter a plea of either guilty or not guilty,
Hovind said he wished to enter a plea of "subornation of false
muster."
my wife, who is a public defender, had a good chuckle over THAT little
bit of legal folderole...
The poor PDs always get the weirdo clients...
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| User: "jcon" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
18 Jul 2006 07:46:04 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
Evangelist says he's owned by God
Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com
Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind pleaded not guilty Monday to a
58-count federal indictment after saying he did not recognize the
government's right to try him on tax-fraud charges.
I wonder if he'll recognize his cellmate's right to...well, you
get the idea.
-jc
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Joe Zawadowski" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
18 Jul 2006 09:42:54 AM |
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In article <1153226764.130209.287480@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, "jcon"
<cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
Evangelist says he's owned by God
Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com
Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind pleaded not guilty Monday to a
58-count federal indictment after saying he did not recognize the
government's right to try him on tax-fraud charges.
I wonder if he'll recognize his cellmate's right to...well, you
get the idea.
-jc
J. Spaceman
Right to dance with him?
Joe Z. a.a.#249
--
"Freedom begins between the ears."
Edward Abbey
"Which ever way your pleasure tends,
if you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind"
Hunter
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| User: "Koppe" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
18 Jul 2006 06:22:31 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
Evangelist says he's owned by God
<SNIP>
So I guess he trying to use a claim of insanity
as his defence?
I hope the judge pull-out the "render onto Ceasar..."
passage to show that greater men -- and men
much closer to God -- than Dr. Dino, didn't try
to use religion to avaid paying taxes.
-Koppe
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| User: "Desertphile" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
19 Jul 2006 07:10:57 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060718/NEWS01/607180319/1006
or http://tinyurl.com/pno2r
Cool. This is great fun! Rev Hovind claims he does not believe humans
and extant apes have a common ancestor, and yet he is certainly acting
like a monkey.
Two anoying points through:
1) A public defender?! Rev Hovind must have piles of money stuffed away
which which to pay for a lawyer.
2) Since Rev Hovind claims to be pennyless, how does he expect to fork
over the $250,000 "prize" he claims he has?
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| User: "Carl Kaufmann" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
19 Jul 2006 10:39:34 PM |
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Desertphile wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060718/NEWS01/607180319/1006
or http://tinyurl.com/pno2r
Cool. This is great fun! Rev Hovind claims he does not believe humans
and extant apes have a common ancestor, and yet he is certainly acting
like a monkey.
Two anoying points through:
1) A public defender?! Rev Hovind must have piles of money stuffed away
which which to pay for a lawyer.
That would amount to an admission of worth.
2) Since Rev Hovind claims to be pennyless, how does he expect to fork
over the $250,000 "prize" he claims he has?
a) The Lord will provide.
b) He's set up the conditions such that it would be nearly impossible
for him to prove his own existence.
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| User: "tim.anderson" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
20 Jul 2006 05:10:23 AM |
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Desertphile wrote:
Two anoying points through:
1) A public defender?! Rev Hovind must have piles of money stuffed away
which which to pay for a lawyer.
2) Since Rev Hovind claims to be pennyless, how does he expect to fork
over the $250,000 "prize" he claims he has?
Just noticed the public defender's name in the original post. I always
wondered what happened to the Nkrumah family after Kwame died.
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| User: "bullpup" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
20 Jul 2006 05:35:32 AM |
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Piggybacking:
"tim.anderson" <timothya@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153390223.356787.263080@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Desertphile wrote:
Two anoying points through:
1) A public defender?! Rev Hovind must have piles of money stuffed away
which which to pay for a lawyer.
That would tip his hand that he had an income.
2) Since Rev Hovind claims to be pennyless, how does he expect to fork
over the $250,000 "prize" he claims he has?
Supposedly, the money is being held in trust by an a second party that put
up the money.
Just noticed the public defender's name in the original post. I always
wondered what happened to the Nkrumah family after Kwame died.
Boikat
--
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage, Mythbusters-
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
18 Jul 2006 10:31:04 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
Cool! Where's his house? I might want to move in. And I'm sure God
wouldn't mind if I borrowed his car.
Roy
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
18 Jul 2006 04:05:16 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
Next address, No. 1 Old Stony Lonesome Highway.
-- Mike Palmer
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| User: "tim.anderson" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
18 Jul 2006 04:45:24 AM |
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wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
Next address, No. 1 Old Stony Lonesome Highway.
-- Mike Palmer
I hadn't realised that US law allowed The Almighty to be attached as an
authority in a tax fraud case.
What does the US legal fraternity have to say about this development?
Or is it a question for the the US accountancy profession? Or even the
US Theme Park Owners' Association.
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| User: "DarkAngel" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
18 Jul 2006 12:34:17 PM |
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tim.anderson wrote:
michael.palmer1@worldnet.att.net wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
Next address, No. 1 Old Stony Lonesome Highway.
-- Mike Palmer
I hadn't realised that US law allowed The Almighty to be attached as an
authority in a tax fraud case.
Sure, but he has to come to the bar and testify...
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| User: "Tiny Bulcher" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
18 Jul 2006 01:59:48 PM |
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DarkAngel wrote:
tim.anderson wrote:
michael.palmer1@worldnet.att.net wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the
church of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I
have no residence."
Next address, No. 1 Old Stony Lonesome Highway.
-- Mike Palmer
I hadn't realised that US law allowed The Almighty to be attached as
an authority in a tax fraud case.
Sure, but he has to come to the bar and testify...
I'm sure Kent will be willing to interpret for him.
--
Tiny
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| User: "Cardinal Chunder" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
19 Jul 2006 04:57:33 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
Out of interest, what kind of residence does Hovind have?
--
"Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is
true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining
lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No."
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
19 Jul 2006 03:40:27 PM |
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Cardinal Chunder wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
Out of interest, what kind of residence does Hovind have?
--
"Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is
true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining
lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No."
His actual house is a standard ranch in good condition, nice yard
(landscaping cared for by the Dino-Land staff, oops sorry,
"Missionaries"), however the neighborhood is bad; rundown homes, car
dealerships, shabby trailer houses, overgrown yards, abandoned cars,
etc.
I guess God didn't know that real estate is all about Location,
Location, Location.....
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: More Hovind Hilarity |
19 Jul 2006 03:45:59 PM |
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On 19 Jul 2006 13:40:27 -0700, wrote:
Cardinal Chunder wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church
of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no
residence."
Out of interest, what kind of residence does Hovind have?
--
"Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is
true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining
lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No."
His actual house is a standard ranch in good condition, nice yard
(landscaping cared for by the Dino-Land staff, oops sorry,
"Missionaries"), however the neighborhood is bad; rundown homes, car
dealerships, shabby trailer houses, overgrown yards, abandoned cars,
etc.
I guess God didn't know that real estate is all about Location,
Location, Location.....
I understand that when you're omnipresent the concept is rather hard
to grasp....
--
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk
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