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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Fred Stone"
Date:	22 May 2006 07:11:06 AM
Object:	More of that Culture of Corruption

http://www.iowavoice.com/index.php?/archives/2078-Corruption-In-The-
Democratic-Party.html
Corruption In The Democratic Party
Democrats like to talk about Republicans and the "culture of
corruption", but I think we'll be hearing less and less about that in
the wake of this:
A congressman under investigation for bribery was caught on
videotape accepting $100,000 in $100 bills from an FBI informant whose
conversations with the lawmaker also were recorded, according to a court
document released Sunday. Agents later found the cash hidden in his
freezer.
At one audiotaped meeting, Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., chuckles
about writing in code to keep secret what the government contends was
his corrupt role in getting his children a cut of a communications
company's deal for work in Africa.
As Jefferson and the informant passed notes about what percentage
the lawmaker's family might receive, the congressman "began laughing and
said, 'All these damn notes we're writing to each other as if we're
talking, as if the FBI is watching,'" according to the affidavit.
Jefferson, who represents New Orleans, has not been charged and
denies any wrongdoing.
As for the $100,000, the government says Jefferson got the money in
a leather briefcase last July 30 at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Arlington.
The plan was for the lawmaker to use the cash to bribe a high-ranking
Nigerian official _ the name is blacked out in the court document _ to
ensure the success of a business deal in that country, the affidavit
said.
All but $10,000 was recovered on Aug. 3 when the FBI searched
Jefferson's home in Washington. The money was stuffed in his freezer,
wrapped in $10,000 packs and concealed in food containers and aluminum
foil.
Pretty cut-and-dried, I would think.
Remember, this is the same Congressman who abused the National Guard in
the wake of Katrina.
Now, I know that one person's actions don't necessarily paint an entire
Party as being corrupt (unlike the Dems, however, who like to jump to
that conclusion). But since we're on the subject this election year,
it's fair game, right?
But we're not talking one person here. We're talking several Democrats
have been caught, or allegedly caught, with their hands in the cookie
jar...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
How can we connect the dots
if we cannot collect the dots?
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.

User: "Greywolf"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 10:01:28 AM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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http://www.iowavoice.com/index.php?/archives/2078-Corruption-In-The-
Democratic-Party.html

Corruption In The Democratic Party
Democrats like to talk about Republicans and the "culture of
corruption", but I think we'll be hearing less and less about that in
the wake of this:

A congressman under investigation for bribery was caught on
videotape accepting $100,000 in $100 bills from an FBI informant whose
conversations with the lawmaker also were recorded, according to a court
document released Sunday. Agents later found the cash hidden in his
freezer.

At one audiotaped meeting, Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., chuckles
about writing in code to keep secret what the government contends was
his corrupt role in getting his children a cut of a communications
company's deal for work in Africa.

As Jefferson and the informant passed notes about what percentage
the lawmaker's family might receive, the congressman "began laughing and
said, 'All these damn notes we're writing to each other as if we're
talking, as if the FBI is watching,'" according to the affidavit.

Jefferson, who represents New Orleans, has not been charged and
denies any wrongdoing.

As for the $100,000, the government says Jefferson got the money in
a leather briefcase last July 30 at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Arlington.
The plan was for the lawmaker to use the cash to bribe a high-ranking
Nigerian official _ the name is blacked out in the court document _ to
ensure the success of a business deal in that country, the affidavit
said.

All but $10,000 was recovered on Aug. 3 when the FBI searched
Jefferson's home in Washington. The money was stuffed in his freezer,
wrapped in $10,000 packs and concealed in food containers and aluminum
foil.

Pretty cut-and-dried, I would think.

Remember, this is the same Congressman who abused the National Guard in
the wake of Katrina.

Now, I know that one person's actions don't necessarily paint an entire
Party as being corrupt (unlike the Dems, however, who like to jump to
that conclusion). But since we're on the subject this election year,
it's fair game, right?

But we're not talking one person here. We're talking several Democrats
have been caught, or allegedly caught, with their hands in the cookie
jar...

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
How can we connect the dots
if we cannot collect the dots?

*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***

I hardly think we're going to hear 'less and less' about the so-called
'culture of corruption' anytime soon. There is soooo much more in regards to
'Republicans behaving badly' coming down the road that it isn't even funny.
But the despicable activity (and attitude) of Rep. William Jefferson
*disgusts* me as a RF Democrat. If true, someone should beat his ***** like
one would beat a school-yard bully -- in my humble opinion. But his actions
deeply offend me. All I seem to be 'hearing' out of you, however, is, 'Hah,
ha, *we* got one of *yours* doing the exact same thing *we've* been caught
doing, and being raked over the coals for. How do *you* guys like it?'
Where's the outrage and disgust over the impropriety of some of the biggest
big-time 'players' in the Republican party. Just look at the positions/posts
some of these dirt-bags hold. Doesn't it make *your* stomach crawl? I'd bet
you didn't provide this newsgroup such 'detailed' reporting when it came to
the impropriety of some of *those* Republican douche-bags that were
'nailed' -- and if you did, I stand corrected in advance. The despicable
action of Rep. Williams is revolting, but at least the number of Republican
'no no's are, thankfully, not matched in number by the Democrats. In fact,
it isn't even close. And aren't the Republicans supposed to be more
'Christian' than the Democrats? Hypocrites.
Greywolf
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 09:38:35 AM

"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in
news:1273kih3gv3ao2d@corp.supernews.com:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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http://www.iowavoice.com/index.php?/archives/2078-Corruption-In-The-
Democratic-Party.html

Corruption In The Democratic Party
Democrats like to talk about Republicans and the "culture of
corruption", but I think we'll be hearing less and less about that in
the wake of this:

A congressman under investigation for bribery was caught on
videotape accepting $100,000 in $100 bills from an FBI informant
whose conversations with the lawmaker also were recorded, according
to a court document released Sunday. Agents later found the cash
hidden in his freezer.

At one audiotaped meeting, Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., chuckles
about writing in code to keep secret what the government contends was
his corrupt role in getting his children a cut of a communications
company's deal for work in Africa.

As Jefferson and the informant passed notes about what percentage
the lawmaker's family might receive, the congressman "began laughing
and said, 'All these damn notes we're writing to each other as if
we're talking, as if the FBI is watching,'" according to the
affidavit.

Jefferson, who represents New Orleans, has not been charged and
denies any wrongdoing.

As for the $100,000, the government says Jefferson got the money
in
a leather briefcase last July 30 at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in
Arlington. The plan was for the lawmaker to use the cash to bribe a
high-ranking Nigerian official _ the name is blacked out in the court
document _ to ensure the success of a business deal in that country,
the affidavit said.

All but $10,000 was recovered on Aug. 3 when the FBI searched
Jefferson's home in Washington. The money was stuffed in his freezer,
wrapped in $10,000 packs and concealed in food containers and
aluminum foil.

Pretty cut-and-dried, I would think.

Remember, this is the same Congressman who abused the National Guard
in the wake of Katrina.

Now, I know that one person's actions don't necessarily paint an
entire Party as being corrupt (unlike the Dems, however, who like to
jump to that conclusion). But since we're on the subject this
election year, it's fair game, right?

But we're not talking one person here. We're talking several
Democrats have been caught, or allegedly caught, with their hands in
the cookie jar...

Paybacks are a *****, aren't they?

Where's the outrage and disgust over the impropriety of some of the
biggest big-time 'players' in the Republican party. Just look at the
positions/posts some of these dirt-bags hold. Doesn't it make *your*
stomach crawl? I'd bet you didn't provide this newsgroup such
'detailed' reporting when it came to the impropriety of some of
*those* Republican douche-bags that were 'nailed' -- and if you did, I
stand corrected in advance. The despicable action of Rep. Williams is
revolting, but at least the number of Republican 'no no's are,
thankfully, not matched in number by the Democrats. In fact, it isn't
even close. And aren't the Republicans supposed to be more 'Christian'
than the Democrats? Hypocrites.

And where are *YOUR* posts about these corrupt Democrats? As for the
number of Republican "no nos" not being matched by Democrats, it's not a
question of keeping score. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy whether it's one stone
or a whole avalanche.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
How can we connect the dots
if we cannot collect the dots?
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.

User: "Denis Loubet"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 08:52:08 PM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in
news:1273kih3gv3ao2d@corp.supernews.com:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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http://www.iowavoice.com/index.php?/archives/2078-Corruption-In-The-
Democratic-Party.html

Corruption In The Democratic Party
Democrats like to talk about Republicans and the "culture of
corruption", but I think we'll be hearing less and less about that in
the wake of this:

A congressman under investigation for bribery was caught on
videotape accepting $100,000 in $100 bills from an FBI informant
whose conversations with the lawmaker also were recorded, according
to a court document released Sunday. Agents later found the cash
hidden in his freezer.

At one audiotaped meeting, Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., chuckles
about writing in code to keep secret what the government contends was
his corrupt role in getting his children a cut of a communications
company's deal for work in Africa.

As Jefferson and the informant passed notes about what percentage
the lawmaker's family might receive, the congressman "began laughing
and said, 'All these damn notes we're writing to each other as if
we're talking, as if the FBI is watching,'" according to the
affidavit.

Jefferson, who represents New Orleans, has not been charged and
denies any wrongdoing.

As for the $100,000, the government says Jefferson got the money
in
a leather briefcase last July 30 at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in
Arlington. The plan was for the lawmaker to use the cash to bribe a
high-ranking Nigerian official _ the name is blacked out in the court
document _ to ensure the success of a business deal in that country,
the affidavit said.

All but $10,000 was recovered on Aug. 3 when the FBI searched
Jefferson's home in Washington. The money was stuffed in his freezer,
wrapped in $10,000 packs and concealed in food containers and
aluminum foil.

Pretty cut-and-dried, I would think.

Remember, this is the same Congressman who abused the National Guard
in the wake of Katrina.

Now, I know that one person's actions don't necessarily paint an
entire Party as being corrupt (unlike the Dems, however, who like to
jump to that conclusion). But since we're on the subject this
election year, it's fair game, right?

But we're not talking one person here. We're talking several
Democrats have been caught, or allegedly caught, with their hands in
the cookie jar...

Paybacks are a *****, aren't they?

And where are *YOUR* posts about these corrupt Democrats?

Already posted, slowpoke, we play no fuckin' favorites.
From: "stoney" <stoney@the.net>
Subject: Court filing: Lawmaker taped taking $100,000 {LA} U.S. Rep.
Jefferson's comments reportedly recorded by FBI informant
Date: Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:32 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12903856/?GT1=8199
Court filing: Lawmaker taped taking $100,000
U.S. Rep. Jefferson's comments reportedly recorded by FBI informant
Same story, dipshit.

As for the
number of Republican "no nos" not being matched by Democrats, it's not a
question of keeping score. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy whether it's one stone
or a whole avalanche.

We posted before you. What was that you were saying about hypocrisy?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 08:45:04 PM

"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97CB76169488Afstone69@66.150.105.47...

"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in
news:1273kih3gv3ao2d@corp.supernews.com:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97CB5D149D84Ffstone69@66.150.105.47...

http://www.iowavoice.com/index.php?/archives/2078-Corruption-In-

The-

Democratic-Party.html

Corruption In The Democratic Party
Democrats like to talk about Republicans and the "culture of
corruption", but I think we'll be hearing less and less about that
in the wake of this:

A congressman under investigation for bribery was caught on
videotape accepting $100,000 in $100 bills from an FBI informant
whose conversations with the lawmaker also were recorded, according
to a court document released Sunday. Agents later found the cash
hidden in his freezer.

At one audiotaped meeting, Rep. William Jefferson, D-La.,
chuckles
about writing in code to keep secret what the government contends
was his corrupt role in getting his children a cut of a
communications company's deal for work in Africa.

As Jefferson and the informant passed notes about what
percentage
the lawmaker's family might receive, the congressman "began
laughing and said, 'All these damn notes we're writing to each
other as if we're talking, as if the FBI is watching,'" according
to the affidavit.

Jefferson, who represents New Orleans, has not been charged and
denies any wrongdoing.

As for the $100,000, the government says Jefferson got the money
in
a leather briefcase last July 30 at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in
Arlington. The plan was for the lawmaker to use the cash to bribe a
high-ranking Nigerian official _ the name is blacked out in the
court document _ to ensure the success of a business deal in that
country, the affidavit said.

All but $10,000 was recovered on Aug. 3 when the FBI searched
Jefferson's home in Washington. The money was stuffed in his
freezer, wrapped in $10,000 packs and concealed in food containers
and aluminum foil.

Pretty cut-and-dried, I would think.

Remember, this is the same Congressman who abused the National
Guard in the wake of Katrina.

Now, I know that one person's actions don't necessarily paint an
entire Party as being corrupt (unlike the Dems, however, who like
to jump to that conclusion). But since we're on the subject this
election year, it's fair game, right?

But we're not talking one person here. We're talking several
Democrats have been caught, or allegedly caught, with their hands
in the cookie jar...

Paybacks are a *****, aren't they?

Where's the outrage and disgust over the impropriety of some of the
biggest big-time 'players' in the Republican party. Just look at the
positions/posts some of these dirt-bags hold. Doesn't it make *your*
stomach crawl? I'd bet you didn't provide this newsgroup such
'detailed' reporting when it came to the impropriety of some of
*those* Republican douche-bags that were 'nailed' -- and if you did,
I stand corrected in advance. The despicable action of Rep. Williams
is revolting, but at least the number of Republican 'no no's are,
thankfully, not matched in number by the Democrats. In fact, it
isn't even close. And aren't the Republicans supposed to be more
'Christian' than the Democrats? Hypocrites.

And where are *YOUR* posts about these corrupt Democrats?

Already posted, slowpoke, we play no fuckin' favorites.

From: "stoney" <stoney@the.net>
Subject: Court filing: Lawmaker taped taking $100,000 {LA} U.S. Rep.
Jefferson's comments reportedly recorded by FBI informant
Date: Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:32 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12903856/?GT1=8199

Court filing: Lawmaker taped taking $100,000
U.S. Rep. Jefferson's comments reportedly recorded by FBI informant

Same story, dipshit.

As for the
number of Republican "no nos" not being matched by Democrats, it's
not a question of keeping score. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy whether it's
one stone or a whole avalanche.

We posted before you. What was that you were saying about hypocrisy?

He's in my killfile for being such a foulmouthed *****. What was that
you were saying again?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
How can we connect the dots
if we cannot collect the dots?
*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
.

User: "Kate "
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 09:49:02 PM

On 23 May 2006 01:45:04 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:ramdnY2EWbx39-_Z4p2dnA@io.com:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97CB76169488Afstone69@66.150.105.47...

"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in
news:1273kih3gv3ao2d@corp.supernews.com:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97CB5D149D84Ffstone69@66.150.105.47...

http://www.iowavoice.com/index.php?/archives/2078-Corruption-In-

The-

Paybacks are a *****, aren't they?

Where's the outrage and disgust over the impropriety of some of the
biggest big-time 'players' in the Republican party. Just look at the
positions/posts some of these dirt-bags hold. Doesn't it make *your*
stomach crawl? I'd bet you didn't provide this newsgroup such
'detailed' reporting when it came to the impropriety of some of
*those* Republican douche-bags that were 'nailed' -- and if you did,
I stand corrected in advance. The despicable action of Rep. Williams
is revolting, but at least the number of Republican 'no no's are,
thankfully, not matched in number by the Democrats. In fact, it
isn't even close. And aren't the Republicans supposed to be more
'Christian' than the Democrats? Hypocrites.

And where are *YOUR* posts about these corrupt Democrats?

Already posted, slowpoke, we play no fuckin' favorites.

From: "stoney" <stoney@the.net>
Subject: Court filing: Lawmaker taped taking $100,000 {LA} U.S. Rep.
Jefferson's comments reportedly recorded by FBI informant
Date: Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:32 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12903856/?GT1=8199

Court filing: Lawmaker taped taking $100,000
U.S. Rep. Jefferson's comments reportedly recorded by FBI informant

Same story, dipshit.

As for the
number of Republican "no nos" not being matched by Democrats, it's
not a question of keeping score. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy whether it's
one stone or a whole avalanche.

We posted before you. What was that you were saying about hypocrisy?

He's in my killfile for being such a foulmouthed *****. What was that
you were saying again?

That you can't admit it when you are wrong and you are a hypocrit.
Surprise surprise surprise.
.

User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 11:54:02 AM

On 22 May 2006 14:38:35 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB76169488Afstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
[snip]

Well, I don't start any threads. I saw the news on this story and I
figure the guy is probably guilty. What were you saying about
hypocrisy?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.

User: "Kate "
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 04:53:09 PM

On Mon, 22 May 2006 16:54:02 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On 22 May 2006 14:38:35 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB76169488Afstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

[snip]

Well, I don't start any threads. I saw the news on this story and I
figure the guy is probably guilty. What were you saying about
hypocrisy?

Raw Story, who is an acknowledged liberal news site had this out the
minute it broke, as it did all stories about possible democrat
corruption with no attempt at defending them.
Sorry Fred. Evil Liberal Media Agenda theory is proved false again.
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 07:21:29 AM

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns97CB5D149D84Ffstone69@66.150.105.47:

<...>
And a cartoon:
http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/?CartoonDate=05-22-2006
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
How can we connect the dots
if we cannot collect the dots?
*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
.

User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 12:36:16 PM

On 22 May 2006 12:21:29 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB5ED7BA75Dfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns97CB5D149D84Ffstone69@66.150.105.47:

<...>

And a cartoon:
http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/?CartoonDate=05-22-2006

But the MSM won't give you any stories of how the Democratic
Leadership tried to change the rules so this was not wrong. And how
they tried to avoid investigating this.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.

User: "Kate "
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 08:58:01 AM

On 22 May 2006 12:11:06 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

http://www.iowavoice.com/index.php?/archives/2078-Corruption-In-The-
Democratic-Party.html

Corruption In The Democratic Party
Democrats like to talk about Republicans and the "culture of
corruption", but I think we'll be hearing less and less about that in
the wake of this:

A congressman under investigation for bribery was caught on
videotape accepting $100,000 in $100 bills from an FBI informant whose
conversations with the lawmaker also were recorded, according to a court
document released Sunday. Agents later found the cash hidden in his
freezer.

At one audiotaped meeting, Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., chuckles
about writing in code to keep secret what the government contends was
his corrupt role in getting his children a cut of a communications
company's deal for work in Africa.

As Jefferson and the informant passed notes about what percentage
the lawmaker's family might receive, the congressman "began laughing and
said, 'All these damn notes we're writing to each other as if we're
talking, as if the FBI is watching,'" according to the affidavit.

Jefferson, who represents New Orleans, has not been charged and
denies any wrongdoing.

As for the $100,000, the government says Jefferson got the money in
a leather briefcase last July 30 at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Arlington.
The plan was for the lawmaker to use the cash to bribe a high-ranking
Nigerian official _ the name is blacked out in the court document _ to
ensure the success of a business deal in that country, the affidavit
said.

All but $10,000 was recovered on Aug. 3 when the FBI searched
Jefferson's home in Washington. The money was stuffed in his freezer,
wrapped in $10,000 packs and concealed in food containers and aluminum
foil.

Pretty cut-and-dried, I would think.

Remember, this is the same Congressman who abused the National Guard in
the wake of Katrina.

Now, I know that one person's actions don't necessarily paint an entire
Party as being corrupt (unlike the Dems, however, who like to jump to
that conclusion). But since we're on the subject this election year,
it's fair game, right?

But we're not talking one person here. We're talking several Democrats
have been caught, or allegedly caught, with their hands in the cookie
jar...

Well if they did it (and it hasn't been proven yet, just accused),
then it must be OK for your administration to do it, eh?
Such convienent morals you have dear.
but we all knew that.
.

User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 09:15:05 AM

On 22 May 2006 12:11:06 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB5D149D84Ffstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

So what is the score now, 1 to 10? 20?
[snip]

Now, I know that one person's actions don't necessarily paint an entire
Party as being corrupt (unlike the Dems,

IOW you paint the entire party without needing any evidence.

however, who like to jump to
that conclusion). But since we're on the subject this election year,
it's fair game, right?
But we're not talking one person here. We're talking several Democrats
have been caught, or allegedly caught, with their hands in the cookie
jar...

So what is the score and what do you think it will be in, say, Nov?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 09:30:01 AM

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:bph372dqnoaejkr06t403qe49bji902cc9@4ax.com:

On 22 May 2006 12:11:06 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB5D149D84Ffstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

So what is the score now, 1 to 10? 20?
[snip]

Now, I know that one person's actions don't necessarily paint an
entire Party as being corrupt (unlike the Dems,

IOW you paint the entire party without needing any evidence.

IOW, Matt, you don't even bother to read whole sentences.

however, who like to jump to
that conclusion). But since we're on the subject this election year,
it's fair game, right?

But we're not talking one person here. We're talking several Democrats
have been caught, or allegedly caught, with their hands in the cookie
jar...

So what is the score and what do you think it will be in, say, Nov?

What does the score matter? The whole "culture of corruption" charge
that certain high-ranking Democrats were making has backfired on them in
a rather big way, wouldn't you say?
--
Fred Stone
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How can we connect the dots
if we cannot collect the dots?
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User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 11:27:23 AM

On 22 May 2006 14:30:01 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB74A2EEFEfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:bph372dqnoaejkr06t403qe49bji902cc9@4ax.com:

On 22 May 2006 12:11:06 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB5D149D84Ffstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

So what is the score now, 1 to 10? 20?
[snip]

Now, I know that one person's actions don't necessarily paint an
entire Party as being corrupt (unlike the Dems,

IOW you paint the entire party without needing any evidence.

IOW, Matt, you don't even bother to read whole sentences.

No, Fred, I did read the whole sentence. You made a claim about the
whole group while congratulating yourself for not making a similar
claim about the whole group. It was just partisan rhetoric and you
know it.

however, who like to jump to
that conclusion). But since we're on the subject this election year,
it's fair game, right?

But we're not talking one person here. We're talking several Democrats
have been caught, or allegedly caught, with their hands in the cookie
jar...

So what is the score and what do you think it will be in, say, Nov?

What does the score matter?

That is how politics works. You hope this will reverse the Republican
slide. Pointing out the disparity is quite significant.

The whole "culture of corruption" charge
that certain high-ranking Democrats were making has backfired on them in
a rather big way, wouldn't you say?

No, I would not. You hope it will, but I doubt it.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 12:44:46 PM

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:afp372t48pupvbn4vn700p85rn8isirs6t@4ax.com:

On 22 May 2006 14:30:01 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB74A2EEFEfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:bph372dqnoaejkr06t403qe49bji902cc9@4ax.com:

On 22 May 2006 12:11:06 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB5D149D84Ffstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

So what is the score now, 1 to 10? 20?
[snip]

Now, I know that one person's actions don't necessarily paint an
entire Party as being corrupt (unlike the Dems,

IOW you paint the entire party without needing any evidence.

IOW, Matt, you don't even bother to read whole sentences.

Uhh, Matt, I didn't make any claims at all. The author of the article
which I posted, who did make the claim, noted that the Democrats are
parading around about the "culture of corruption" in the Republican
party, which is a claim about the whole party.

however, who like to jump to
that conclusion). But since we're on the subject this election year,
it's fair game, right?

But we're not talking one person here. We're talking several
Democrats have been caught, or allegedly caught, with their hands in
the cookie jar...

So what is the score and what do you think it will be in, say, Nov?

What does the score matter?

That is how politics works. You hope this will reverse the Republican
slide. Pointing out the disparity is quite significant.

Nah, I'm just tweaking your nose. It worked, obviously.

The whole "culture of corruption" charge
that certain high-ranking Democrats were making has backfired on them
in a rather big way, wouldn't you say?

No, I would not. You hope it will, but I doubt it.

Unfortunately, you're probably right. Your partisan media won't dwell on
stories about Democrats the way they will about Republicans.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
How can we connect the dots
if we cannot collect the dots?
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User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 01:58:05 PM

On 22 May 2006 17:44:46 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB95A868BDAfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
[snip]

Unfortunately, you're probably right. Your partisan media won't dwell on
stories about Democrats the way they will about Republicans.

Speaking of the partisan media, they finally ran the story you asked
for a month or so ago regarding the formation of the new Iraqi
government. They are so dishonest, though, that they made it seem like
the government just formed, rather than when you complained about the
lack of story. And they are so partisan that they actually mentioned
that the two important ministries, interior and defense, were not set
up yet. Oh well.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 01:14:39 PM

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:1b2472dalacb3csd40b6bff4ji9qhpsfee@4ax.com:

On 22 May 2006 17:44:46 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB95A868BDAfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

[snip]

Unfortunately, you're probably right. Your partisan media won't dwell
on stories about Democrats the way they will about Republicans.

Oh, nicely done, Matt, since I was complaining about them not reporting
on the details of the process.

And they are so partisan that they actually mentioned
that the two important ministries, interior and defense, were not set
up yet. Oh well.

Did they explain that "forming a government" under a parliamentary
system is about like inaugurating a new Congressional term in the US?
The big deal being that this is the first complete government. Did they
explain *why* those two ministries weren't set up yet, and who was
holding up the works? Come on, Matt, details. You know that's what I've
been complaining about.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
How can we connect the dots
if we cannot collect the dots?
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User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 03:29:14 PM

On 22 May 2006 18:14:39 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB9AB9DA440fstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:1b2472dalacb3csd40b6bff4ji9qhpsfee@4ax.com:

On 22 May 2006 17:44:46 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB95A868BDAfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

[snip]

Unfortunately, you're probably right. Your partisan media won't dwell
on stories about Democrats the way they will about Republicans.

Oh, nicely done, Matt, since I was complaining about them not reporting
on the details of the process.

Really? How about a quote regarding that? I don't remember any such
thing. (Of course, they did report that, but that is a different
issue.)

And they are so partisan that they actually mentioned
that the two important ministries, interior and defense, were not set
up yet. Oh well.

Did they explain that "forming a government" under a parliamentary
system is about like inaugurating a new Congressional term in the US?
The big deal being that this is the first complete government.

Yes, that is the big deal. And they reported the election when that
occurred. And they reported the coalition when that was established.

Did they
explain *why* those two ministries weren't set up yet, and who was
holding up the works? Come on, Matt, details. You know that's what I've
been complaining about.

And I read all that stuff in the MSM.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 02:51:57 PM

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:fu64725isre7c0rhspf10tj61jjai99fef@4ax.com:

On 22 May 2006 18:14:39 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB9AB9DA440fstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:1b2472dalacb3csd40b6bff4ji9qhpsfee@4ax.com:

On 22 May 2006 17:44:46 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB95A868BDAfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

[snip]

Unfortunately, you're probably right. Your partisan media won't
dwell on stories about Democrats the way they will about
Republicans.

Oh, nicely done, Matt, since I was complaining about them not
reporting on the details of the process.

Really? How about a quote regarding that? I don't remember any such
thing. (Of course, they did report that, but that is a different
issue.)

And they are so partisan that they actually mentioned
that the two important ministries, interior and defense, were not
set up yet. Oh well.

Did they explain that "forming a government" under a parliamentary
system is about like inaugurating a new Congressional term in the US?
The big deal being that this is the first complete government.

Yes, that is the big deal. And they reported the election when that
occurred. And they reported the coalition when that was established.

Did they
explain *why* those two ministries weren't set up yet, and who was
holding up the works? Come on, Matt, details. You know that's what
I've been complaining about.

And I read all that stuff in the MSM.

I especially liked the AP's headline: "Iraq gets new government as bombs
kill 24". Just imagine the possibilities, Matt: "US Senate met today
amid prostitution in the nation's capitol."
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
How can we connect the dots
if we cannot collect the dots?
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.

User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 03:57:25 PM

On 22 May 2006 19:51:57 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CBAB394CAEEfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:fu64725isre7c0rhspf10tj61jjai99fef@4ax.com:

On 22 May 2006 18:14:39 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB9AB9DA440fstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:1b2472dalacb3csd40b6bff4ji9qhpsfee@4ax.com:

On 22 May 2006 17:44:46 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB95A868BDAfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

[snip]

Unfortunately, you're probably right. Your partisan media won't
dwell on stories about Democrats the way they will about
Republicans.

Oh, nicely done, Matt, since I was complaining about them not
reporting on the details of the process.

Really? How about a quote regarding that? I don't remember any such
thing. (Of course, they did report that, but that is a different
issue.)

I guess you don't have the quotes.

And they are so partisan that they actually mentioned
that the two important ministries, interior and defense, were not
set up yet. Oh well.

Did they explain that "forming a government" under a parliamentary
system is about like inaugurating a new Congressional term in the US?
The big deal being that this is the first complete government.

Yes, that is the big deal. And they reported the election when that
occurred. And they reported the coalition when that was established.

Did they
explain *why* those two ministries weren't set up yet, and who was
holding up the works? Come on, Matt, details. You know that's what
I've been complaining about.

And I read all that stuff in the MSM.

I especially liked the AP's headline: "Iraq gets new government as bombs
kill 24". Just imagine the possibilities, Matt: "US Senate met today
amid prostitution in the nation's capitol."

How about:
"Iraqis Form Government, With Crucial Posts Vacant"
Or is that too pessimistic for you?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 05:01:10 PM

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ab94729uom6kqu5tneimkubppe0dam1fen@4ax.com:

On 22 May 2006 19:51:57 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CBAB394CAEEfstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:fu64725isre7c0rhspf10tj61jjai99fef@4ax.com:

On 22 May 2006 18:14:39 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CB9AB9DA440fstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote:

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:1b2472dalacb3csd40b6bff4ji9qhpsfee@4ax.com:

On 22 May 2006 17:44:46 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns97CB95A868BDAfstone69@66.150.105.47> wrote:

[snip]

Unfortunately, you're probably right. Your partisan media won't
dwell on stories about Democrats the way they will about
Republicans.

Oh, nicely done, Matt, since I was complaining about them not
reporting on the details of the process.

Really? How about a quote regarding that? I don't remember any such
thing. (Of course, they did report that, but that is a different
issue.)

I guess you don't have the quotes.

And they are so partisan that they actually mentioned
that the two important ministries, interior and defense, were not
set up yet. Oh well.

Did they explain that "forming a government" under a parliamentary
system is about like inaugurating a new Congressional term in the
US? The big deal being that this is the first complete government.

Yes, that is the big deal. And they reported the election when that
occurred. And they reported the coalition when that was established.

Did they
explain *why* those two ministries weren't set up yet, and who was
holding up the works? Come on, Matt, details. You know that's what
I've been complaining about.

And I read all that stuff in the MSM.

I especially liked the AP's headline: "Iraq gets new government as
bombs kill 24". Just imagine the possibilities, Matt: "US Senate met
today amid prostitution in the nation's capitol."

How about:

"Iraqis Form Government, With Crucial Posts Vacant"

Or is that too pessimistic for you?

How about "Iraqis Form Government - Bargaining For Crucial Posts
Ongoing".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
How can we connect the dots
if we cannot collect the dots?
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User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: More of that Culture of Corruption	22 May 2006 06:08:47 PM

On 22 May 2006 22:01:10 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns97CBC122A2C3Efstone69@66.150.105.47>
wrote: