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"Fred Stone" |
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19 Nov 2007 01:52:07 PM |
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More Of That Yangie-pwn3d Global Warming |
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a record
season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Ski break spots including Davos, St Antonien and Braunwald have
experienced exceptionally strong snowfall for so early in the season,
swissinfo has reported.
Last weekend, some 62 cm of the white stuff fell in the eastern resort
of Davos, while St Antonien received 64 cm and Braunwald got 72 cm of
snow on Sunday, states national weather service MeteoSwiss.
According to the report, Switzerland has not received such a strong
start to its winter ski season since 1952, with the amount of snow being
swept to the southern areas by the wind cited as a particularly
interesting feature of the weather.
Resorts are said to be anticipating a busy ski season, with many
readying themselves for a rush of bookings as reports of the good
weather disseminate.
The Ski Club of Great Britain described the prospects for Verbier, Saas
Fee and Engelberg as "promising" last week.
©
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any
other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst.
Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their
lives and freedoms." - RAH "Starship Troopers"
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: More Of That Yangie-pwn3d Global Warming |
23 Nov 2007 07:15:02 PM |
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On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a record
season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Ski break spots including Davos, St Antonien and Braunwald have
experienced exceptionally strong snowfall for so early in the season,
swissinfo has reported.
Last weekend, some 62 cm of the white stuff fell in the eastern resort
of Davos, while St Antonien received 64 cm and Braunwald got 72 cm of
snow on Sunday, states national weather service MeteoSwiss.
According to the report, Switzerland has not received such a strong
start to its winter ski season since 1952, with the amount of snow being
swept to the southern areas by the wind cited as a particularly
interesting feature of the weather.
Resorts are said to be anticipating a busy ski season, with many
readying themselves for a rush of bookings as reports of the good
weather disseminate.
The Ski Club of Great Britain described the prospects for Verbier, Saas
Fee and Engelberg as "promising" last week.
©
Fred -- you have to be fucking kidding me. Nothing so thoroughly
removes credibility as confusing weather with climate. Certainly,
there will be many, many, many instances when it snows -- but the
overall temperature of the Earth is rising.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: More Of That Yangie-pwn3d Global Warming |
23 Nov 2007 08:37:35 PM |
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Daniel Kolle <daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:r8uek35jkb999p9ts23d4pg29923hicfc8@4ax.com:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-
50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record
season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Ski break spots including Davos, St Antonien and Braunwald have
experienced exceptionally strong snowfall for so early in the season,
swissinfo has reported.
Last weekend, some 62 cm of the white stuff fell in the eastern resort
of Davos, while St Antonien received 64 cm and Braunwald got 72 cm of
snow on Sunday, states national weather service MeteoSwiss.
According to the report, Switzerland has not received such a strong
start to its winter ski season since 1952, with the amount of snow
being
swept to the southern areas by the wind cited as a particularly
interesting feature of the weather.
Resorts are said to be anticipating a busy ski season, with many
readying themselves for a rush of bookings as reports of the good
weather disseminate.
The Ski Club of Great Britain described the prospects for Verbier,
Saas
Fee and Engelberg as "promising" last week.
©
Fred -- you have to be fucking kidding me. Nothing so thoroughly
removes credibility as confusing weather with climate. Certainly,
there will be many, many, many instances when it snows -- but the
overall temperature of the Earth is rising.
Remember that the next time somebody cites warm weather as proof of
global warming.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
http://images.cafepress.com/product/124910883v3_150x150_Front.JPG
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: More Of That Yangie-pwn3d Global Warming |
24 Nov 2007 05:27:39 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2007 02:37:35 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Daniel Kolle <daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:r8uek35jkb999p9ts23d4pg29923hicfc8@4ax.com:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-
50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record
season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Ski break spots including Davos, St Antonien and Braunwald have
experienced exceptionally strong snowfall for so early in the season,
swissinfo has reported.
Last weekend, some 62 cm of the white stuff fell in the eastern resort
of Davos, while St Antonien received 64 cm and Braunwald got 72 cm of
snow on Sunday, states national weather service MeteoSwiss.
According to the report, Switzerland has not received such a strong
start to its winter ski season since 1952, with the amount of snow
being
swept to the southern areas by the wind cited as a particularly
interesting feature of the weather.
Resorts are said to be anticipating a busy ski season, with many
readying themselves for a rush of bookings as reports of the good
weather disseminate.
The Ski Club of Great Britain described the prospects for Verbier,
Saas
Fee and Engelberg as "promising" last week.
©
Fred -- you have to be fucking kidding me. Nothing so thoroughly
removes credibility as confusing weather with climate. Certainly,
there will be many, many, many instances when it snows -- but the
overall temperature of the Earth is rising.
Remember that the next time somebody cites warm weather as proof of
global warming.
Oh, certainly. Both sides of this issue have idiots in the ranks.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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25 Nov 2007 03:03:14 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:15:02 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a record
season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Ski break spots including Davos, St Antonien and Braunwald have
experienced exceptionally strong snowfall for so early in the season,
swissinfo has reported.
Last weekend, some 62 cm of the white stuff fell in the eastern resort
of Davos, while St Antonien received 64 cm and Braunwald got 72 cm of
snow on Sunday, states national weather service MeteoSwiss.
According to the report, Switzerland has not received such a strong
start to its winter ski season since 1952, with the amount of snow being
swept to the southern areas by the wind cited as a particularly
interesting feature of the weather.
Resorts are said to be anticipating a busy ski season, with many
readying themselves for a rush of bookings as reports of the good
weather disseminate.
The Ski Club of Great Britain described the prospects for Verbier, Saas
Fee and Engelberg as "promising" last week.
©
Fred -- you have to be fucking kidding me. Nothing so thoroughly
removes credibility as confusing weather with climate. Certainly,
there will be many, many, many instances when it snows -- but the
overall temperature of the Earth is rising.
Yes, Fred is indeed that deluded.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: More Of That Yangie-pwn3d Global Warming |
19 Nov 2007 02:19:42 PM |
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On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a record
season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global climate
change and its implications is a personal issue and does not reflect
on reality.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from global
warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the tip of a
glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer because of
global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last year
because of global warming, Swiss scientists said Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast.html
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: More Of That Yangie-pwn3d Global Warming |
19 Nov 2007 08:38:59 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:8qr3k3liomm822htrfv7m8hirkcrhm0ktt@4ax.com:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-
50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global climate
change and its implications is a personal issue and does not reflect
on reality.
Reality does not reflect your personal and likely deliberate ignorance
about global warming.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from global
warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the tip of a
glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer because of
global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last year
because of global warming, Swiss scientists said Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast.
h
tml
Meanwhile you post stories from last spring to rebut something from this
week?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any
other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst.
Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their
lives and freedoms." - RAH "Starship Troopers"
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: More Of That Yangie-pwn3d Global Warming |
19 Nov 2007 10:45:30 PM |
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On 20 Nov 2007 02:38:59 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EDDC7D7B9E0freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:8qr3k3liomm822htrfv7m8hirkcrhm0ktt@4ax.com:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-
50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global climate
change and its implications is a personal issue and does not reflect
on reality.
Reality does not reflect your personal and likely deliberate ignorance
about global warming.
Nice try, too bad though.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from global
warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the tip of a
glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer because of
global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last year
because of global warming, Swiss scientists said Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast.
h
tml
Meanwhile you post stories from last spring to rebut something from this
week?
Fred, do you not understand that increase *snowfall* does not tell you
things are colder? More snow means things are *wetter*. Wetter, in
fact, suggests that it is warmer somewhere else. I made a guess, which
I have checked, that those locations are in the southern part of
Switzerland. As it happens they are pretty close together in the South
Eastern part of the country. Quite possibly the increased snowfall is
due to the warming of the Med. But increased snow and increase warming
leads to shrinking glaciers. You really need to learn something about
this rather than just reading right-wing blogs.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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20 Nov 2007 06:50:30 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:e7p4k3hfpaf6cvcsqb22lu5284vfo77khu@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 02:38:59 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EDDC7D7B9E0freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:8qr3k3liomm822htrfv7m8hirkcrhm0ktt@4ax.com:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-
50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global climate
change and its implications is a personal issue and does not reflect
on reality.
Reality does not reflect your personal and likely deliberate ignorance
about global warming.
Nice try, too bad though.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from global
warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the tip of
a glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer because of
global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last year
because of global warming, Swiss scientists said Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast
.
h
tml
Meanwhile you post stories from last spring to rebut something from
this week?
Fred, do you not understand that increase *snowfall* does not tell you
things are colder? More snow means things are *wetter*. Wetter, in
fact, suggests that it is warmer somewhere else. I made a guess, which
I have checked, that those locations are in the southern part of
Switzerland. As it happens they are pretty close together in the South
Eastern part of the country. Quite possibly the increased snowfall is
due to the warming of the Med. But increased snow and increase warming
leads to shrinking glaciers. You really need to learn something about
this rather than just reading right-wing blogs.
Now the AP is a right-wing blog?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any
other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst.
Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their
lives and freedoms." - RAH "Starship Troopers"
.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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20 Nov 2007 09:29:51 AM |
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On 20 Nov 2007 12:50:30 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:e7p4k3hfpaf6cvcsqb22lu5284vfo77khu@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 02:38:59 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EDDC7D7B9E0freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:8qr3k3liomm822htrfv7m8hirkcrhm0ktt@4ax.com:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-
50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global climate
change and its implications is a personal issue and does not reflect
on reality.
Reality does not reflect your personal and likely deliberate ignorance
about global warming.
Nice try, too bad though.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from global
warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the tip of
a glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer because of
global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last year
because of global warming, Swiss scientists said Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast
.
h
tml
Meanwhile you post stories from last spring to rebut something from
this week?
Fred, do you not understand that increase *snowfall* does not tell you
things are colder? More snow means things are *wetter*. Wetter, in
fact, suggests that it is warmer somewhere else. I made a guess, which
I have checked, that those locations are in the southern part of
Switzerland. As it happens they are pretty close together in the South
Eastern part of the country. Quite possibly the increased snowfall is
due to the warming of the Med. But increased snow and increase warming
leads to shrinking glaciers. You really need to learn something about
this rather than just reading right-wing blogs.
Now the AP is a right-wing blog?
Oh look another my ***** Fred logical fallacy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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20 Nov 2007 10:40:18 AM |
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On 20 Nov 2007 12:50:30 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EE5007C72C4freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:e7p4k3hfpaf6cvcsqb22lu5284vfo77khu@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 02:38:59 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EDDC7D7B9E0freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:8qr3k3liomm822htrfv7m8hirkcrhm0ktt@4ax.com:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-
50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global climate
change and its implications is a personal issue and does not reflect
on reality.
Reality does not reflect your personal and likely deliberate ignorance
about global warming.
Nice try, too bad though.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from global
warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the tip of
a glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer because of
global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last year
because of global warming, Swiss scientists said Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast
.
h
tml
Meanwhile you post stories from last spring to rebut something from
this week?
Fred, do you not understand that increase *snowfall* does not tell you
things are colder? More snow means things are *wetter*. Wetter, in
fact, suggests that it is warmer somewhere else. I made a guess, which
I have checked, that those locations are in the southern part of
Switzerland. As it happens they are pretty close together in the South
Eastern part of the country. Quite possibly the increased snowfall is
due to the warming of the Med. But increased snow and increase warming
leads to shrinking glaciers. You really need to learn something about
this rather than just reading right-wing blogs.
Now the AP is a right-wing blog?
The AP article said nothing about global warming. You had to apply
your errors regarding climate to the story. That, I guess, came from
the blogs.
BTW, I notice that you ignore the explanatory aspect of my post. Care
to do that? Again: more snow means wetter, not colder. Wetter tends to
mean warmer and those locations are all on the SE part of Switzerland
and likely are getting more snow because of the warmer Med. How about
that? Shall we discuss this or not?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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20 Nov 2007 12:21:48 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:h326k358qkm2j1pn1u1lie9vcjhash1t9g@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 12:50:30 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EE5007C72C4freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:e7p4k3hfpaf6cvcsqb22lu5284vfo77khu@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 02:38:59 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EDDC7D7B9E0freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:8qr3k3liomm822htrfv7m8hirkcrhm0ktt@4ax.com:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-
makes
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50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record season after promising early snowfall, it has been
reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global climate
change and its implications is a personal issue and does not
reflect on reality.
Reality does not reflect your personal and likely deliberate
ignorance about global warming.
Nice try, too bad though.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from global
warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the tip
of a glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer
because of global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last year
because of global warming, Swiss scientists said Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast
.
h
tml
Meanwhile you post stories from last spring to rebut something from
this week?
Fred, do you not understand that increase *snowfall* does not tell
you things are colder? More snow means things are *wetter*. Wetter,
in fact, suggests that it is warmer somewhere else. I made a guess,
which I have checked, that those locations are in the southern part
of Switzerland. As it happens they are pretty close together in the
South Eastern part of the country. Quite possibly the increased
snowfall is due to the warming of the Med. But increased snow and
increase warming leads to shrinking glaciers. You really need to
learn something about this rather than just reading right-wing
blogs.
Now the AP is a right-wing blog?
The AP article said nothing about global warming. You had to apply
your errors regarding climate to the story. That, I guess, came from
the blogs.
You guess. Are you also guessing that increased snowfall means "wetter"
and not "colder" in this particular case?
BTW, I notice that you ignore the explanatory aspect of my post. Care
to do that? Again: more snow means wetter, not colder. Wetter tends to
mean warmer and those locations are all on the SE part of Switzerland
and likely are getting more snow because of the warmer Med. How about
that? Shall we discuss this or not?
I'd rather keep you guessing.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any
other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst.
Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their
lives and freedoms." - RAH "Starship Troopers"
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21 Nov 2007 12:32:56 AM |
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On 20 Nov 2007 18:21:48 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:h326k358qkm2j1pn1u1lie9vcjhash1t9g@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 12:50:30 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EE5007C72C4freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:e7p4k3hfpaf6cvcsqb22lu5284vfo77khu@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 02:38:59 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EDDC7D7B9E0freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:8qr3k3liomm822htrfv7m8hirkcrhm0ktt@4ax.com:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-
makes
-
50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record season after promising early snowfall, it has been
reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global climate
change and its implications is a personal issue and does not
reflect on reality.
Reality does not reflect your personal and likely deliberate
ignorance about global warming.
Nice try, too bad though.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from global
warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the tip
of a glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer
because of global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last year
because of global warming, Swiss scientists said Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast
.
h
tml
Meanwhile you post stories from last spring to rebut something from
this week?
Fred, do you not understand that increase *snowfall* does not tell
you things are colder? More snow means things are *wetter*. Wetter,
in fact, suggests that it is warmer somewhere else. I made a guess,
which I have checked, that those locations are in the southern part
of Switzerland. As it happens they are pretty close together in the
South Eastern part of the country. Quite possibly the increased
snowfall is due to the warming of the Med. But increased snow and
increase warming leads to shrinking glaciers. You really need to
learn something about this rather than just reading right-wing
blogs.
Now the AP is a right-wing blog?
The AP article said nothing about global warming. You had to apply
your errors regarding climate to the story. That, I guess, came from
the blogs.
You guess. Are you also guessing that increased snowfall means "wetter"
and not "colder" in this particular case?
BTW, I notice that you ignore the explanatory aspect of my post. Care
to do that? Again: more snow means wetter, not colder. Wetter tends to
mean warmer and those locations are all on the SE part of Switzerland
and likely are getting more snow because of the warmer Med. How about
that? Shall we discuss this or not?
I'd rather keep you guessing.
How, by claiming that Bush is also hiding Iran's WMD?
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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21 Nov 2007 08:44:39 AM |
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On 20 Nov 2007 18:21:48 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EE8835B21F9freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:h326k358qkm2j1pn1u1lie9vcjhash1t9g@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 12:50:30 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EE5007C72C4freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:e7p4k3hfpaf6cvcsqb22lu5284vfo77khu@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 02:38:59 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EDDC7D7B9E0freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:8qr3k3liomm822htrfv7m8hirkcrhm0ktt@4ax.com:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-
makes
-
50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record season after promising early snowfall, it has been
reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global climate
change and its implications is a personal issue and does not
reflect on reality.
Reality does not reflect your personal and likely deliberate
ignorance about global warming.
Nice try, too bad though.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from global
warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the tip
of a glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer
because of global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last year
because of global warming, Swiss scientists said Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast
.
h
tml
Meanwhile you post stories from last spring to rebut something from
this week?
Fred, do you not understand that increase *snowfall* does not tell
you things are colder? More snow means things are *wetter*. Wetter,
in fact, suggests that it is warmer somewhere else. I made a guess,
which I have checked, that those locations are in the southern part
of Switzerland. As it happens they are pretty close together in the
South Eastern part of the country. Quite possibly the increased
snowfall is due to the warming of the Med. But increased snow and
increase warming leads to shrinking glaciers. You really need to
learn something about this rather than just reading right-wing
blogs.
Now the AP is a right-wing blog?
The AP article said nothing about global warming. You had to apply
your errors regarding climate to the story. That, I guess, came from
the blogs.
You guess. Are you also guessing that increased snowfall means "wetter"
and not "colder" in this particular case?
I know that more snowfall means warmer. Two reason: one when it is too
cold it does not snow. Second, warmer oceans means more evaporation
and so more water to fall.
BTW, I notice that you ignore the explanatory aspect of my post. Care
to do that? Again: more snow means wetter, not colder. Wetter tends to
mean warmer and those locations are all on the SE part of Switzerland
and likely are getting more snow because of the warmer Med. How about
that? Shall we discuss this or not?
I'd rather keep you guessing.
How dogmatic of you. Seriously: you keep avoiding discussing the
science here, instead you simply assert it is religion. But you
somehow don't seem to consider the basics of climate or weather, you
don't seem to consider local vs. global, and you don't seem to
consider time scale. Lots of big snowfalls in one area of Switzerland
does not at all refute global warming, not even a little.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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21 Nov 2007 10:19:10 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:5ug8k39u2qpfvl63a485j6l40bb06bu1af@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 18:21:48 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EE8835B21F9freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:h326k358qkm2j1pn1u1lie9vcjhash1t9g@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 12:50:30 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EE5007C72C4freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:e7p4k3hfpaf6cvcsqb22lu5284vfo77khu@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 02:38:59 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EDDC7D7B9E0freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote in news:8qr3k3liomm822htrfv7m8hirkcrhm0ktt@4ax.com:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-
makes
-
50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record season after promising early snowfall, it has been
reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global
climate change and its implications is a personal issue and does
not reflect on reality.
Reality does not reflect your personal and likely deliberate
ignorance about global warming.
Nice try, too bad though.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from
global warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the
tip of a glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer
because of global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last
year because of global warming, Swiss scientists said
Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast
.
h
tml
Meanwhile you post stories from last spring to rebut something
from this week?
Fred, do you not understand that increase *snowfall* does not tell
you things are colder? More snow means things are *wetter*.
Wetter, in fact, suggests that it is warmer somewhere else. I made
a guess, which I have checked, that those locations are in the
southern part of Switzerland. As it happens they are pretty close
together in the South Eastern part of the country. Quite possibly
the increased snowfall is due to the warming of the Med. But
increased snow and increase warming leads to shrinking glaciers.
You really need to learn something about this rather than just
reading right-wing blogs.
Now the AP is a right-wing blog?
The AP article said nothing about global warming. You had to apply
your errors regarding climate to the story. That, I guess, came from
the blogs.
You guess. Are you also guessing that increased snowfall means
"wetter" and not "colder" in this particular case?
I know that more snowfall means warmer. Two reason: one when it is too
cold it does not snow. Second, warmer oceans means more evaporation
and so more water to fall.
BTW, I notice that you ignore the explanatory aspect of my post.
Care to do that? Again: more snow means wetter, not colder. Wetter
tends to mean warmer and those locations are all on the SE part of
Switzerland and likely are getting more snow because of the warmer
Med. How about that? Shall we discuss this or not?
I'd rather keep you guessing.
How dogmatic of you. Seriously: you keep avoiding discussing the
science here, instead you simply assert it is religion.
I have irrefutable evidence that it is religion. Three reasons: one,
science doesn't have dogma, it questions its own conclusions constantly;
two, science doesn't call skeptics "deniers"; three, science doesn't
operate on "consensus".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any
other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst.
Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their
lives and freedoms." - RAH "Starship Troopers"
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23 Nov 2007 07:43:03 PM |
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On 21 Nov 2007 16:19:10 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<snip>
I have irrefutable evidence that it is religion. Three reasons: one,
science doesn't have dogma, it questions its own conclusions constantly;
And that is happening, Fred. Heard of peer-review?
two, science doesn't call skeptics "deniers";
It does when such skeptics deny reality.
three, science doesn't
operate on "consensus".
Correct, Fred. Science is not decided by majority vote. However, a
consensus is a good place to start in determing the truth. See below.
"The majority of scientists have this position. Does the evidence
support it?"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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23 Nov 2007 08:39:09 PM |
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Daniel Kolle <daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:fmvek354g2br1r96l2beq6k5jetcbht7ao@4ax.com:
On 21 Nov 2007 16:19:10 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<snip>
I have irrefutable evidence that it is religion. Three reasons: one,
science doesn't have dogma, it questions its own conclusions
constantly;
And that is happening, Fred. Heard of peer-review?
Yep. The "consensus" isn't getting peer-review. It's getting Political
review.
two, science doesn't call skeptics "deniers";
It does when such skeptics deny reality.
Then it isn't science any more.
three, science doesn't
operate on "consensus".
Correct, Fred. Science is not decided by majority vote. However, a
consensus is a good place to start in determing the truth. See below.
"The majority of scientists have this position. Does the evidence
support it?"
There is evidence that the majority of scientists are wrong. Do you
discard the evidence or the consensus?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
http://images.cafepress.com/product/124910883v3_150x150_Front.JPG
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24 Nov 2007 05:39:41 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2007 02:39:09 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Daniel Kolle <daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:fmvek354g2br1r96l2beq6k5jetcbht7ao@4ax.com:
On 21 Nov 2007 16:19:10 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<snip>
I have irrefutable evidence that it is religion. Three reasons: one,
science doesn't have dogma, it questions its own conclusions
constantly;
And that is happening, Fred. Heard of peer-review?
Yep. The "consensus" isn't getting peer-review. It's getting Political
review.
Evidence, please.
....What the hell is political review?
two, science doesn't call skeptics "deniers";
It does when such skeptics deny reality.
Then it isn't science any more.
What is science, Fred? Is it science when scientists call skeptics of
evolution deniers?
three, science doesn't
operate on "consensus".
Correct, Fred. Science is not decided by majority vote. However, a
consensus is a good place to start in determing the truth. See below.
"The majority of scientists have this position. Does the evidence
support it?"
There is evidence that the majority of scientists are wrong. Do you
discard the evidence or the consensus?
Show me the evidence.
Majorities can certainly be wrong, and often are.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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24 Nov 2007 07:46:43 PM |
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Daniel Kolle <daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:btchk39pir9evrrjpon2rtd68a9mrg57on@4ax.com:
On 24 Nov 2007 02:39:09 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Daniel Kolle <daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:fmvek354g2br1r96l2beq6k5jetcbht7ao@4ax.com:
On 21 Nov 2007 16:19:10 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<snip>
I have irrefutable evidence that it is religion. Three reasons: one,
science doesn't have dogma, it questions its own conclusions
constantly;
And that is happening, Fred. Heard of peer-review?
Yep. The "consensus" isn't getting peer-review. It's getting Political
review.
Evidence, please.
...What the hell is political review?
It's what happens when the UN sponsors a "scientific" panel that is
packed with "scientists" from dictatorial third-world countries who make
political pronouncements about world economics.
two, science doesn't call skeptics "deniers";
It does when such skeptics deny reality.
Then it isn't science any more.
What is science, Fred? Is it science when scientists call skeptics of
evolution deniers?
No, it's not. At that point it becomes politics. Or religion.
three, science doesn't
operate on "consensus".
Correct, Fred. Science is not decided by majority vote. However, a
consensus is a good place to start in determing the truth. See
below.
"The majority of scientists have this position. Does the evidence
support it?"
There is evidence that the majority of scientists are wrong. Do you
discard the evidence or the consensus?
Show me the evidence.
Majorities can certainly be wrong, and often are.
Sigh. One more time just for you. Some of these links are to popular
stories in the press. Others address aspects of the current hysteria
about AGW, for example by rebutting Gore's propaganda film. Still others
dispute that there is in fact a "consensus" of opinion within the
scientific community.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1363818.ece
http://www.aconvenientfiction.com/
http://www.globalwarming.org/
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
The books that help you most are those which make you think that most.
The hardest way of learning is that of easy reading; but a great book
that comes from a great thinker is a ship of thought, deep freighted
with truth and beauty.”
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25 Nov 2007 03:02:49 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:39:41 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2007 02:39:09 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Daniel Kolle <daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:fmvek354g2br1r96l2beq6k5jetcbht7ao@4ax.com:
On 21 Nov 2007 16:19:10 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<snip>
I have irrefutable evidence that it is religion. Three reasons: one,
science doesn't have dogma, it questions its own conclusions
constantly;
And that is happening, Fred. Heard of peer-review?
Yep. The "consensus" isn't getting peer-review. It's getting Political
review.
Evidence, please.
...What the hell is political review?
Thta's when the Bush administration redacts part of the NASA climate
research paper it doesn't like.
Of course when Bush does it, it's "scientific reserach" for Fred.
two, science doesn't call skeptics "deniers";
It does when such skeptics deny reality.
Then it isn't science any more.
What is science, Fred? Is it science when scientists call skeptics of
evolution deniers?
three, science doesn't
operate on "consensus".
Correct, Fred. Science is not decided by majority vote. However, a
consensus is a good place to start in determing the truth. See below.
"The majority of scientists have this position. Does the evidence
support it?"
There is evidence that the majority of scientists are wrong. Do you
discard the evidence or the consensus?
Show me the evidence.
Majorities can certainly be wrong, and often are.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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25 Nov 2007 03:01:30 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:43:03 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2007 16:19:10 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<snip>
I have irrefutable evidence that it is religion. Three reasons: one,
science doesn't have dogma, it questions its own conclusions constantly;
And that is happening, Fred. Heard of peer-review?
In Fred's universe, any peer-review process he doen's agree with is
"dogma"
two, science doesn't call skeptics "deniers";
It does when such skeptics deny reality.
three, science doesn't
operate on "consensus".
Correct, Fred. Science is not decided by majority vote. However, a
consensus is a good place to start in determing the truth. See below.
"The majority of scientists have this position. Does the evidence
support it?"
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| Title: Re: More Of That Yangie-pwn3d Global Warming |
25 Nov 2007 03:42:02 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:jmojk3h6ocnbs6h10tub60n326f7s2ostu@4ax.com:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:43:03 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2007 16:19:10 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<snip>
I have irrefutable evidence that it is religion. Three reasons: one,
science doesn't have dogma, it questions its own conclusions
constantly;
And that is happening, Fred. Heard of peer-review?
In Fred's universe, any peer-review process he doen's agree with is
"dogma"
In Yang's world any junk science that is published because it agrees with
the prevailing political winds is "peer-reviewed".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
The books that help you most are those which make you think that most. The
hardest way of learning is that of easy reading; but a great book that
comes from a great thinker is a ship of thought, deep freighted with truth
and beauty.”
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: More Of That Yangie-pwn3d Global Warming |
26 Nov 2007 08:31:55 PM |
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On 25 Nov 2007 21:42:02 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:jmojk3h6ocnbs6h10tub60n326f7s2ostu@4ax.com:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:43:03 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2007 16:19:10 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
<snip>
I have irrefutable evidence that it is religion. Three reasons: one,
science doesn't have dogma, it questions its own conclusions
constantly;
And that is happening, Fred. Heard of peer-review?
In Fred's universe, any peer-review process he doen's agree with is
"dogma"
In Yang's world any junk science that is published because it agrees with
the prevailing political winds is "peer-reviewed".
LOL! Fred my ***** knows all about junk science: the existisnce one
Swiss resort with extra snow is more important then the fact that the
SLPS IS LOSING SNOW is Fred my *****'s world.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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21 Nov 2007 11:29:04 AM |
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On 21 Nov 2007 16:19:10 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EF732AA45C8freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:5ug8k39u2qpfvl63a485j6l40bb06bu1af@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 18:21:48 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EE8835B21F9freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:h326k358qkm2j1pn1u1lie9vcjhash1t9g@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 12:50:30 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EE5007C72C4freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:e7p4k3hfpaf6cvcsqb22lu5284vfo77khu@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 02:38:59 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EDDC7D7B9E0freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote in news:8qr3k3liomm822htrfv7m8hirkcrhm0ktt@4ax.com:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-
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year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record season after promising early snowfall, it has been
reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global
climate change and its implications is a personal issue and does
not reflect on reality.
Reality does not reflect your personal and likely deliberate
ignorance about global warming.
Nice try, too bad though.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from
global warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the
tip of a glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer
because of global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last
year because of global warming, Swiss scientists said
Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast
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h
tml
Meanwhile you post stories from last spring to rebut something
from this week?
Fred, do you not understand that increase *snowfall* does not tell
you things are colder? More snow means things are *wetter*.
Wetter, in fact, suggests that it is warmer somewhere else. I made
a guess, which I have checked, that those locations are in the
southern part of Switzerland. As it happens they are pretty close
together in the South Eastern part of the country. Quite possibly
the increased snowfall is due to the warming of the Med. But
increased snow and increase warming leads to shrinking glaciers.
You really need to learn something about this rather than just
reading right-wing blogs.
Now the AP is a right-wing blog?
The AP article said nothing about global warming. You had to apply
your errors regarding climate to the story. That, I guess, came from
the blogs.
You guess. Are you also guessing that increased snowfall means
"wetter" and not "colder" in this particular case?
I know that more snowfall means warmer. Two reason: one when it is too
cold it does not snow. Second, warmer oceans means more evaporation
and so more water to fall.
BTW, I notice that you ignore the explanatory aspect of my post.
Care to do that? Again: more snow means wetter, not colder. Wetter
tends to mean warmer and those locations are all on the SE part of
Switzerland and likely are getting more snow because of the warmer
Med. How about that? Shall we discuss this or not?
I'd rather keep you guessing.
How dogmatic of you. Seriously: you keep avoiding discussing the
science here, instead you simply assert it is religion.
I have irrefutable evidence that it is religion. Three reasons: one,
science doesn't have dogma, it questions its own conclusions constantly;
Which is why climatology papers are peer-reviewed. I know that the
administration toss out the science stuff, but you don't have to. For
some reason, though, you keep going to things like AP rather than the
peer-reviewed press. And you don't even go to science reports, you
take some weather report and misinterpret it.
two, science doesn't call skeptics "deniers";
So "evolution denier" is a term that somehow makes evolution a
religion.
three, science doesn't
operate on "consensus".
Sure it does. We go to biologists for information about biology and we
take the consensus view as the current best available answer. There
might be some disagreement and it is certainly reasonable to examine
the evidence and rational, but the best current answer is the
consensus.
And, somehow, you again failed to discuss how more snow means moisture
and that means warming elsewhere. And that snow falling means it is
warm enough for snow, when it is cold it does not snow.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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21 Nov 2007 02:42:25 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:kfq8k3p81aeuvdmblq0k4m9ttb1uhuj44v@4ax.com:
On 21 Nov 2007 16:19:10 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EF732AA45C8freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:5ug8k39u2qpfvl63a485j6l40bb06bu1af@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 18:21:48 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EE8835B21F9freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:h326k358qkm2j1pn1u1lie9vcjhash1t9g@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 12:50:30 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EE5007C72C4freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote in news:e7p4k3hfpaf6cvcsqb22lu5284vfo77khu@4ax.com:
On 20 Nov 2007 02:38:59 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99EDDC7D7B9E0freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote in news:8qr3k3liomm822htrfv7m8hirkcrhm0ktt@4ax.com:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-
makes
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50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting
a record season after promising early snowfall, it has been
reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global
climate change and its implications is a personal issue and
does not reflect on reality.
Reality does not reflect your personal and likely deliberate
ignorance about global warming.
Nice try, too bad though.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from
global warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the
tip of a glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this
summer because of global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last
year because of global warming, Swiss scientists said
Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast
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h
tml
Meanwhile you post stories from last spring to rebut something
from this week?
Fred, do you not understand that increase *snowfall* does not
tell you things are colder? More snow means things are *wetter*.
Wetter, in fact, suggests that it is warmer somewhere else. I
made a guess, which I have checked, that those locations are in
the southern part of Switzerland. As it happens they are pretty
close together in the South Eastern part of the country. Quite
possibly the increased snowfall is due to the warming of the
Med. But increased snow and increase warming leads to shrinking
glaciers. You really need to learn something about this rather
than just reading right-wing blogs.
Now the AP is a right-wing blog?
The AP article said nothing about global warming. You had to apply
your errors regarding climate to the story. That, I guess, came
from the blogs.
You guess. Are you also guessing that increased snowfall means
"wetter" and not "colder" in this particular case?
I know that more snowfall means warmer. Two reason: one when it is
too cold it does not snow. Second, warmer oceans means more
evaporation and so more water to fall.
BTW, I notice that you ignore the explanatory aspect of my post.
Care to do that? Again: more snow means wetter, not colder. Wetter
tends to mean warmer and those locations are all on the SE part of
Switzerland and likely are getting more snow because of the warmer
Med. How about that? Shall we discuss this or not?
I'd rather keep you guessing.
How dogmatic of you. Seriously: you keep avoiding discussing the
science here, instead you simply assert it is religion.
I have irrefutable evidence that it is religion. Three reasons: one,
science doesn't have dogma, it questions its own conclusions
constantly;
Which is why climatology papers are peer-reviewed.
Which matters not a whit when the peer-review process becomes
politicized and polices papers for adherence to the dogma.
I know that the
administration toss out the science stuff, but you don't have to. For
some reason, though, you keep going to things like AP rather than the
peer-reviewed press. And you don't even go to science reports, you
take some weather report and misinterpret it.
two, science doesn't call skeptics "deniers";
So "evolution denier" is a term that somehow makes evolution a
religion.
Yes, if "evolution deniers" were simply dismissed as being "in league
with Big Religion" the way "global warming deniers" are dismissed as
being "in the pay of Big Oil".
three, science doesn't
operate on "consensus".
Sure it does.
No it doesn't. It operates on evidence. So far the evidence in favor of
global warming does not support the need for drastic changes to the
world political economy in order to avert some hypothetical disaster.
We go to biologists for information about biology and we
take the consensus view as the current best available answer. There
might be some disagreement and it is certainly reasonable to examine
the evidence and rational, but the best current answer is the
consensus.
"Consensus answer" is a combination of ad hominem, argument from
authority and bandwagon fallacies.
And, somehow, you again failed to discuss how more snow means moisture
and that means warming elsewhere. And that snow falling means it is
warm enough for snow, when it is cold it does not snow.
Warm enough for snow like is what range of temperatures? When you say
that "when it is cold it does not snow" what temperatures are you
talking about? And where do these resorts fall in those ranges at this
time of year?
You want to discuss the issue, answer those questions.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
http://images.cafepress.com/product/124910883v3_150x150_Front.JPG
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19 Nov 2007 09:46:12 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:19:42 -0500, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-50-
year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a record
season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global climate
change and its implications is a personal issue and does not reflect
on reality.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from global
warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the tip of a
glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer because of
global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last year
because of global warming, Swiss scientists said Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast.html
Let's see, the entire Swiss Alps melting compared to one resort having
a good snow year. Gee I wonder which evidence will Fred ignore?
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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20 Nov 2007 06:27:31 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:v4m4k39uqfr05p9in3rj7864hpcrac7ki7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:19:42 -0500, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-
50
- year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global climate
change and its implications is a personal issue and does not reflect
on reality.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from global
warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the tip of a
glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer because of
global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last year
because of global warming, Swiss scientists said Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast.h
tml
Let's see, the entire Swiss Alps melting compared to one resort having
a good snow year. Gee I wonder which evidence will Fred ignore?
Let's see, it only snows on individual ski resorts in Switzerland, not
on entire mountains. Gee, I wonder how Yangie-pwn3d will manage to
ignore reality next time?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any
other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst.
Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their
lives and freedoms." - RAH "Starship Troopers"
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On 20 Nov 2007 12:27:31 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:v4m4k39uqfr05p9in3rj7864hpcrac7ki7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:19:42 -0500, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 19 Nov 2007 19:52:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99ED96B2A649Efreddybear@216.151.153.21> wrote:
http://www.fasttrackski.co.uk/ski-news/switzerland/swiss-snow-makes-
50
- year-record-200711151407.php
Swiss Snow Makes 50-year Record
Thursday, November 15th, 2007
Swiss snow makes 50-year recordSwiss ski resorts are expecting a
record season after promising early snowfall, it has been reported.
Your personal, and likely deliberate, ignorance of global climate
change and its implications is a personal issue and does not reflect
on reality.
Meanwhile:
Swiss resort covers part of its glacier to avoid melt from global
warming - AP Worldstream - HighBeam Research
"A Swiss ski resort spread high-tech reflective foil over the tip of a
glacier Tuesday to prevent its melting away this summer because of
global warming. "
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-108564480.html
Remanent Swiss Ice Cap Melting Fast
"Europe's longest glacier shrank by 66 metres (72 yards) last year
because of global warming, Swiss scientists said Wednesday."
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Remanent_Swiss_Ice_Cap_Melting_Fast.h
tml
Let's see, the entire Swiss Alps melting compared to one resort having
a good snow year. Gee I wonder which evidence will Fred ignore?
Let's see, it only snows on individual ski resorts in Switzerland, not
on entire mountains. Gee, I wonder how Yangie-pwn3d will manage to
ignore reality next time?
Let see the ENTIRE snow-capped Alps is running out of snow vesus one
single ski resort.
See, I wonder which fact will my ***** Fred ignore?
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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On 20 Nov 2007 12:27:31 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns99EE4C022E1Efreddybear@216.151.153.48>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
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