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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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27 Nov 2005 09:38:12 PM |
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More on Christian Bush's war crimes |
No wonder this Christian baby killer is targeting journalists.
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Bush plot to bomb al-Jazeera is a conspiracy theory, says Blair
By Melissa Kite in Valletta
(Filed: 27/11/2005)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/27/njaz27.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/27/ixportal..html
Tony Blair yesterday branded as a "conspiracy theory" claims that a leaked
memo has revealed plans by President George W Bush last year to bomb the
Arabic television station al-Jazeera.
The Prime Minister broke his silence on the issue as fresh concerns
surfaced over the use of the Official Secrets Act to suppress the memo.
People who have seen the document say the real reason that it is being
suppressed by the Government is because it contains a potentially damaging
private discussion between the two leaders about the controversial United
States attack on the Iraqi city of Fallujah last year.
Mr Blair sought to play down the memo yesterday, despite the fact that two
men, accused over its leaking, are to appear in court this week facing
charges under the Official Secrets Act. He also shrugged off a request from
the managing director of al-Jazeera, Wadah Khanfar, for a meeting. Mr Blair
was speaking at the Commonwealth summit in Malta, where he has been locked
in trade talks with African leaders.
Looking tired, he appeared to lose his cool when asked about reports
claiming that the memo showed him talking Mr Bush out of mounting an air
raid on al-Jazeera. "Look, there's a limit to what I can say - it's all sub
judice," he said. "But honestly, I mean, conspiracy theories."
Mr Blair's comments came as Lord Goldsmith, the Attorney General, came
under fresh pressure to justify the Government's heavy-handed use of the
Official Secrets Act in stating that anyone who published the memo risked
court action. He denied the Act was being used in an attempt to protect Mr
Blair or Mr Bush.
"It [the Act] is not being used to save the embarrassment of a politician.
That is completely not the case at all," Lord Goldsmith said on BBC radio.
Peter Kilfoyle, the former Labour defence minister who has tabled a Commons
motion calling for the memo to be made public, criticised Mr Blair's
response.
He told the Sunday Telegraph he had been informed of the memo's contents by
the former Labour MP, Tony Clarke, whose researcher was handed the
document, and that he remained convinced that it contained information that
needed to be put in the public domain.
"My concern is that the only conspiracy surrounding this was a conspiracy
to level Fallujah," said Mr Kilfoyle. "He [Mr Blair] would say 'conspiracy
theory'. That's been the American line and now he's adopting it. But if it
is so fantastical, why are they prosecuting these two people this week?
"I am in no doubt that there was a mention of Fallujah. I was made aware of
the contents by Mr Clarke. He and I sat down and talked about the contents
of it because he was seeking my advice on what to do with it."
In the end, Mr Clarke passed the leaked memo to Downing Street. But Labour
insiders believe that a copy exists.
According to reports in the Daily Mirror, the memo contains a transcript of
Mr Blair - at a White House meeting in April 2004 - attempting to persuade
Mr Bush not to bomb al-Jazeera's television base in Qatar, which is an ally
of Washington and the location of US military headquarters during the Iraq
invasion.
Mr Kilfoyle said: "There was certainly a discussion about Fallujah and
attacking Fallujah. They had already had one attack that failed and the
next one was a massive one. They used artillery, tanks, jet bombers, white
phosphorus. It was a full-scale levelling of a city.
"I want to know what the Prime Minister said to President Bush about his
proposals on that. Did he try to restrain him - because it clearly didn't
work."
David Keogh, a Cabinet Office official, has been charged under the Official
Secrets Act with passing the memo to Leo O'Connor, Mr Clarke's former
researcher. Both men are due to appear at Bow Street magistrates' court in
London this week.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: More on Christian Bush's war crimes |
27 Nov 2005 10:00:46 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11ok9ooks5gnqb7@corp.supernews.com...
No wonder this Christian baby killer is targeting journalists.
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Bush plot to bomb al-Jazeera is a conspiracy theory, says Blair
By Melissa Kite in Valletta
(Filed: 27/11/2005)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/27/njaz27.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/27/ixportal..html
Why can't these left-wingers site a reliable US media outlet? Even CNN or
NPR will do.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: More on Christian Bush's war crimes |
27 Nov 2005 11:23:20 PM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:v0qif.43419$2k5.35173@dukeread09:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11ok9ooks5gnqb7@corp.supernews.com...
No wonder this Christian baby killer is targeting journalists.
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Bush plot to bomb al-Jazeera is a conspiracy theory, says Blair
By Melissa Kite in Valletta
(Filed: 27/11/2005)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/27/njaz27
.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/27/ixportal..html
Why can't these left-wingers site a reliable US media outlet? Even
CNN or NPR will do.
Perhaps you would prefer Fox. Their credibility is stellar, after all.
--
Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
RELIGION! It's the illness, not the cure.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: More on Christian Bush's war crimes |
28 Nov 2005 01:24:41 AM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why can't these left-wingers site a reliable US media outlet?
Here, Christian terrorist. Try again:
No wonder this Christian baby killer is targeting journalists.
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Bush plot to bomb al-Jazeera is a conspiracy theory, says Blair
By Melissa Kite in Valletta
(Filed: 27/11/2005)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/27/njaz27.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/27/ixportal....html
Tony Blair yesterday branded as a "conspiracy theory" claims that a leaked
memo has revealed plans by President George W Bush last year to bomb the
Arabic television station al-Jazeera.
The Prime Minister broke his silence on the issue as fresh concerns
surfaced over the use of the Official Secrets Act to suppress the memo.
People who have seen the document say the real reason that it is being
suppressed by the Government is because it contains a potentially damaging
private discussion between the two leaders about the controversial United
States attack on the Iraqi city of Fallujah last year.
Mr Blair sought to play down the memo yesterday, despite the fact that two
men, accused over its leaking, are to appear in court this week facing
charges under the Official Secrets Act. He also shrugged off a request from
the managing director of al-Jazeera, Wadah Khanfar, for a meeting. Mr Blair
was speaking at the Commonwealth summit in Malta, where he has been locked
in trade talks with African leaders.
Looking tired, he appeared to lose his cool when asked about reports
claiming that the memo showed him talking Mr Bush out of mounting an air
raid on al-Jazeera. "Look, there's a limit to what I can say - it's all sub
judice," he said. "But honestly, I mean, conspiracy theories."
Mr Blair's comments came as Lord Goldsmith, the Attorney General, came
under fresh pressure to justify the Government's heavy-handed use of the
Official Secrets Act in stating that anyone who published the memo risked
court action. He denied the Act was being used in an attempt to protect Mr
Blair or Mr Bush.
"It [the Act] is not being used to save the embarrassment of a politician.
That is completely not the case at all," Lord Goldsmith said on BBC radio.
Peter Kilfoyle, the former Labour defence minister who has tabled a Commons
motion calling for the memo to be made public, criticised Mr Blair's
response.
He told the Sunday Telegraph he had been informed of the memo's contents by
the former Labour MP, Tony Clarke, whose researcher was handed the
document, and that he remained convinced that it contained information that
needed to be put in the public domain.
"My concern is that the only conspiracy surrounding this was a conspiracy
to level Fallujah," said Mr Kilfoyle. "He [Mr Blair] would say 'conspiracy
theory'. That's been the American line and now he's adopting it. But if it
is so fantastical, why are they prosecuting these two people this week?
"I am in no doubt that there was a mention of Fallujah. I was made aware of
the contents by Mr Clarke. He and I sat down and talked about the contents
of it because he was seeking my advice on what to do with it."
In the end, Mr Clarke passed the leaked memo to Downing Street. But Labour
insiders believe that a copy exists.
According to reports in the Daily Mirror, the memo contains a transcript of
Mr Blair - at a White House meeting in April 2004 - attempting to persuade
Mr Bush not to bomb al-Jazeera's television base in Qatar, which is an ally
of Washington and the location of US military headquarters during the Iraq
invasion.
Mr Kilfoyle said: "There was certainly a discussion about Fallujah and
attacking Fallujah. They had already had one attack that failed and the
next one was a massive one. They used artillery, tanks, jet bombers, white
phosphorus. It was a full-scale levelling of a city.
"I want to know what the Prime Minister said to President Bush about his
proposals on that. Did he try to restrain him - because it clearly didn't
work."
David Keogh, a Cabinet Office official, has been charged under the Official
Secrets Act with passing the memo to Leo O'Connor, Mr Clarke's former
researcher. Both men are due to appear at Bow Street magistrates' court in
London this week.
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"We're going to sue your *****, AND your balls!" -- Scientology's leader
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: More on Christian Bush's war crimes |
28 Nov 2005 03:05:13 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:00:46 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11ok9ooks5gnqb7@corp.supernews.com...
No wonder this Christian baby killer is targeting journalists.
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Bush plot to bomb al-Jazeera is a conspiracy theory, says Blair
By Melissa Kite in Valletta
(Filed: 27/11/2005)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/27/njaz27.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/27/ixportal..html
Why can't these left-wingers site a reliable US media outlet? Even CNN or
NPR will do.
"Site", or "cite"?
I suppose al Jazeera *could* move their headquarters to the US.
They might get Dubya to halt all air traffic in the US, while he flies
them in on a private 'plane.
After all, there is a kind of precendent.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: More on Christian Bush's war crimes |
28 Nov 2005 11:31:23 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:4vsko1h3sivr54r66b2qcvklm0hb3q5fdk@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:00:46 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11ok9ooks5gnqb7@corp.supernews.com...
No wonder this Christian baby killer is targeting journalists.
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Bush plot to bomb al-Jazeera is a conspiracy theory, says Blair
By Melissa Kite in Valletta
(Filed: 27/11/2005)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/27/njaz27.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/27/ixportal..html
Why can't these left-wingers site a reliable US media outlet? Even CNN or
NPR will do.
"Site", or "cite"?
I suppose al Jazeera *could* move their headquarters to the US.
They might get Dubya to halt all air traffic in the US, while he flies
them in on a private 'plane.
After all, there is a kind of precendent.
True, except that Bush saw to it that his buddies, the bin Ladins,
were flown safely out of the US.
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: More on Christian Bush's war crimes |
27 Nov 2005 10:21:48 PM |
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TV's Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11ok9ooks5gnqb7@corp.supernews.com...
No wonder this Christian baby killer is targeting journalists.
-=-
Bush plot to bomb al-Jazeera is a conspiracy theory, says Blair
By Melissa Kite in Valletta
(Filed: 27/11/2005)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/27/njaz27.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/27/ixportal..html
Why can't these left-wingers site a reliable US media outlet? Even CNN
or NPR will do.
Because most US media outlets are not reliable.
--
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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28 Nov 2005 03:16:38 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11ok9ooks5gnqb7@corp.supernews.com...
No wonder this Christian baby killer is targeting journalists.
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Bush plot to bomb al-Jazeera is a conspiracy theory, says Blair
By Melissa Kite in Valletta
(Filed: 27/11/2005)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/27/njaz27.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/27/ixportal..html
Why can't these left-wingers site a reliable US media outlet? Even CNN
or NPR will do.
Because most US media outlets are not reliable.
Not a single mainstream media outlet in the United States has covered
the Bush regime's crimes against humanity he committed in Falluja. And
the latest exposure that he was plotting to bomb a news station? If
you rely on the US media, you'd think it didn't happen.
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http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"We're going to sue your *****, AND your balls!" -- Scientology's leader
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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28 Nov 2005 09:54:04 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:21:48 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11ok9ooks5gnqb7@corp.supernews.com...
No wonder this Christian baby killer is targeting journalists.
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Bush plot to bomb al-Jazeera is a conspiracy theory, says Blair
By Melissa Kite in Valletta
(Filed: 27/11/2005)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/27/njaz27.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/27/ixportal..html
Why can't these left-wingers site a reliable US media outlet? Even CNN
or NPR will do.
Because most US media outlets are not reliable.
I take exception to that assertion!
Most US media outlets are very reliable.
You can trust them explicity to omit all information that would in any
way embarass their advertisers and supporters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Nov 2005 10:37:34 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:24:04 +1030, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:21:48 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11ok9ooks5gnqb7@corp.supernews.com...
No wonder this Christian baby killer is targeting journalists.
-=-
Bush plot to bomb al-Jazeera is a conspiracy theory, says Blair
By Melissa Kite in Valletta
(Filed: 27/11/2005)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/27/njaz27.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/27/ixportal..html
Why can't these left-wingers site a reliable US media outlet? Even CNN
or NPR will do.
Because most US media outlets are not reliable.
I take exception to that assertion!
Most US media outlets are very reliable.
You can trust them explicity to omit all information that would in any
way embarass their advertisers and supporters.
BINGO! Soviet era Pravada in the former US.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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