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User: "Michelle Malkin"
Date: 16 Aug 2004 06:39:11 PM
Object: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars
Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and outrageous
ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his troops, and
"dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad features people who say "I
served with John Kerry" (although they didn't) and who make numerous
provably false accusations about Kerry's war record.[1] It's one of the most
vile tactics we've seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.
The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John McCain,
a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest and
dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's request that President Bush
"specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say anything about it.
Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds of
thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear tactics, and we
expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll deliver our petition to
President Bush on the campaign trail.
Sign the petition to President Bush now at:
http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/
It's clear that the ad continues the tradition of Bush campaign dirty
tricks. In a recent interview, Senator McCain noted that the ad "was the
same kind of deal that was pulled on me" in 2000. McCain was referring to a
vicious smear campaign -- which included race-baiting allegations that he
had a black child our of wedlock -- run by close Bush allies in 2000. In
fact, the same firm that ran some of the anti-McCain ads in 2000 produced
the "Swift Boat" ad.[3] And although the group claims to be independent of
the Republican party, the group's funding mostly comes from a longtime Bush
supporter who gave over $20,000 to his campaigns for Texas governor.[4]
The "Swift Boat" campaign is a classical political hit job. But even before
the ad went on the air, the Washington Post ran a piece discussing how
President Bush is running the most negative presidential campaign in U.S.
history. In an article titled "From Bush, Unprecedented Negativity," the Pos
t quotes an expert who says that "there is more attack now on the Bush side
against Kerry than you've historically had in the general-election period
against either candidate."[5]
Discussing the "Swift Boat" ad, Senator John McCain said, "I deplore this
kind of politics." Nebraska Governor Mike Johanns (R) called the ad "trash"
and even Pat Buchanan said "not a single charge is substantiated . . . I
think the ad is wrong."[6] But George Bush won't condemn it. Let's let him
know that we're sick and tired of this "slime and defend" mode of
campaigning.
Sign the petition to Bush now at:
http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/
Jim Rassman, a Republican veteran who served under Kerry, recently wrote an
opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal. He told the story of how Kerry
saved his life. And he concluded with these words on the "Swift Boat"
veterans: "[W]hen the noise and fog of their distortions and lies have
cleared, a man who volunteered to serve his country, a man who showed up for
duty when his country called, a man to whom the United States Navy awarded a
Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, will stand tall and
proud. Ultimately, the American people will judge these Swift Boat Veterans
for Bush and their accusations. Americans are tired of smear campaigns
against those who volunteered to wear the uniform. Swift Boat Veterans for
Bush should hang their heads in shame."[7]
Sincerely,
--Eli Pariser
MoveOn PAC
August 16th, 2004
1. FACT CHECK: Swift Boat Veterans for Bush, 8/5/04
http://www.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/080504_truth.html
2. McCain Condemns Anti-Kerry Ad, 8/5/04
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&e=3&u=/ap/20040805/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_mccain
3. Republicans' Dishonorable Charge, 8/6/04
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/08/06/mccain_on_swift_boat_veterans/index_np.html
4. Republican-funded Group Attacks Kerry's War Record, 8/15/04
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231
5. From Bush, Unprecedented Negativity, 5/31/04
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3222-2004May30.html
6. AP, 8/5/04 (McCain); Nebraska State Paper, 8/7/04 (Johanns); MSNBC,
Scarborough Country, 8/6/04 (Buchanan)
http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/archives/002445.html#more
7. Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush, 8/10/04
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005460
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.

User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 18 Aug 2004 07:54:49 AM
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:TJOdnauEVdYI2LzcRVn-ig@comcast.com:

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and
outrageous ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries,
betrayed his troops, and "dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad
features people who say "I served with John Kerry" (although they
didn't) and who make numerous provably false accusations about Kerry's
war record.[1] It's one of the most vile tactics we've seen yet in
Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John
McCain, a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest
and dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's request that
President Bush "specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say
anything about it.

Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds of
thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear tactics,
and we expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll deliver our
petition to President Bush on the campaign trail.

Sign the petition to President Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/

It's clear that the ad continues the tradition of Bush campaign dirty
tricks. In a recent interview, Senator McCain noted that the ad "was
the same kind of deal that was pulled on me" in 2000. McCain was
referring to a vicious smear campaign -- which included race-baiting
allegations that he had a black child our of wedlock -- run by close
Bush allies in 2000. In fact, the same firm that ran some of the
anti-McCain ads in 2000 produced the "Swift Boat" ad.[3] And although
the group claims to be independent of the Republican party, the
group's funding mostly comes from a longtime Bush supporter who gave
over $20,000 to his campaigns for Texas governor.[4]

The "Swift Boat" campaign is a classical political hit job. But even
before the ad went on the air, the Washington Post ran a piece
discussing how President Bush is running the most negative
presidential campaign in U.S. history. In an article titled "From
Bush, Unprecedented Negativity," the Pos t quotes an expert who says
that "there is more attack now on the Bush side against Kerry than
you've historically had in the general-election period against either
candidate."[5]

Discussing the "Swift Boat" ad, Senator John McCain said, "I deplore
this kind of politics." Nebraska Governor Mike Johanns (R) called the
ad "trash" and even Pat Buchanan said "not a single charge is
substantiated . . . I think the ad is wrong."[6] But George Bush won't
condemn it. Let's let him know that we're sick and tired of this
"slime and defend" mode of campaigning.

Sign the petition to Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/

As irony meters all over America melt down.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.
User: "Kevin Anthoney"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 18 Aug 2004 12:15:15 PM
Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:TJOdnauEVdYI2LzcRVn-ig@comcast.com:

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and
outrageous ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries,
betrayed his troops, and "dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad
features people who say "I served with John Kerry" (although they
didn't) and who make numerous provably false accusations about Kerry's
war record.[1] It's one of the most vile tactics we've seen yet in
Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John
McCain, a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest
and dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's request that
President Bush "specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say
anything about it.

Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds of
thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear tactics,
and we expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll deliver our
petition to President Bush on the campaign trail.

Sign the petition to President Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/

It's clear that the ad continues the tradition of Bush campaign dirty
tricks. In a recent interview, Senator McCain noted that the ad "was
the same kind of deal that was pulled on me" in 2000. McCain was
referring to a vicious smear campaign -- which included race-baiting
allegations that he had a black child our of wedlock -- run by close
Bush allies in 2000. In fact, the same firm that ran some of the
anti-McCain ads in 2000 produced the "Swift Boat" ad.[3] And although
the group claims to be independent of the Republican party, the
group's funding mostly comes from a longtime Bush supporter who gave
over $20,000 to his campaigns for Texas governor.[4]

The "Swift Boat" campaign is a classical political hit job. But even
before the ad went on the air, the Washington Post ran a piece
discussing how President Bush is running the most negative
presidential campaign in U.S. history. In an article titled "From
Bush, Unprecedented Negativity," the Pos t quotes an expert who says
that "there is more attack now on the Bush side against Kerry than
you've historically had in the general-election period against either
candidate."[5]

Discussing the "Swift Boat" ad, Senator John McCain said, "I deplore
this kind of politics." Nebraska Governor Mike Johanns (R) called the
ad "trash" and even Pat Buchanan said "not a single charge is
substantiated . . . I think the ad is wrong."[6] But George Bush won't
condemn it. Let's let him know that we're sick and tired of this
"slime and defend" mode of campaigning.

Sign the petition to Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/


As irony meters all over America melt down.

Are you sure you haven't reversed the polarity on yours?
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 18 Aug 2004 12:52:20 PM
Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:b3475$41238ea2$51569c09$31487@nf1.news-service-com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:TJOdnauEVdYI2LzcRVn-ig@comcast.com:

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and
outrageous ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries,
betrayed his troops, and "dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad
features people who say "I served with John Kerry" (although they
didn't) and who make numerous provably false accusations about
Kerry's war record.[1] It's one of the most vile tactics we've seen
yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John
McCain, a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest
and dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's request that
President Bush "specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say
anything about it.

Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds of
thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear tactics,
and we expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll deliver our
petition to President Bush on the campaign trail.

Sign the petition to President Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/

It's clear that the ad continues the tradition of Bush campaign
dirty tricks. In a recent interview, Senator McCain noted that the
ad "was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me" in 2000. McCain
was referring to a vicious smear campaign -- which included
race-baiting allegations that he had a black child our of wedlock --
run by close Bush allies in 2000. In fact, the same firm that ran
some of the anti-McCain ads in 2000 produced the "Swift Boat" ad.[3]
And although the group claims to be independent of the Republican
party, the group's funding mostly comes from a longtime Bush
supporter who gave over $20,000 to his campaigns for Texas
governor.[4]

The "Swift Boat" campaign is a classical political hit job. But even
before the ad went on the air, the Washington Post ran a piece
discussing how President Bush is running the most negative
presidential campaign in U.S. history. In an article titled "From
Bush, Unprecedented Negativity," the Post quotes an expert who says
that "there is more attack now on the Bush side against Kerry than
you've historically had in the general-election period against
either candidate."[5]

Discussing the "Swift Boat" ad, Senator John McCain said, "I deplore
this kind of politics." Nebraska Governor Mike Johanns (R) called
the ad "trash" and even Pat Buchanan said "not a single charge is
substantiated . . . I think the ad is wrong."[6] But George Bush
won't condemn it. Let's let him know that we're sick and tired of
this "slime and defend" mode of campaigning.

Sign the petition to Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/


As irony meters all over America melt down.


Are you sure you haven't reversed the polarity on yours?

If the hypocrisy of MoveOn.org complaining of false advertising by the
Swiftees was any thicker you'd have to cut it with a diamond saw.
End the slime-and-defend? Oh that's hysterical! When are they going to
petition the Democrats to repudiate the AWOL claims and run Moore and
Wilson and Clarke out of town on a rail?
Complaining about political funding? I take it that Soros and Heinz-
Kerry will be getting refunds?
Oh, lordy mama, that's just *too* much. Glass houses indeed!
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.
User: "Kevin Anthoney"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 19 Aug 2004 12:34:38 PM
Fred Stone wrote:

Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:b3475$41238ea2$51569c09$31487@nf1.news-service-com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:TJOdnauEVdYI2LzcRVn-ig@comcast.com:

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and
outrageous ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries,
betrayed his troops, and "dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad
features people who say "I served with John Kerry" (although they
didn't) and who make numerous provably false accusations about
Kerry's war record.[1] It's one of the most vile tactics we've seen
yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John
McCain, a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest
and dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's request that
President Bush "specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say
anything about it.

Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds of
thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear tactics,
and we expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll deliver our
petition to President Bush on the campaign trail.

Sign the petition to President Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/

It's clear that the ad continues the tradition of Bush campaign
dirty tricks. In a recent interview, Senator McCain noted that the
ad "was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me" in 2000. McCain
was referring to a vicious smear campaign -- which included
race-baiting allegations that he had a black child our of wedlock --
run by close Bush allies in 2000. In fact, the same firm that ran
some of the anti-McCain ads in 2000 produced the "Swift Boat" ad.[3]
And although the group claims to be independent of the Republican
party, the group's funding mostly comes from a longtime Bush
supporter who gave over $20,000 to his campaigns for Texas
governor.[4]

The "Swift Boat" campaign is a classical political hit job. But even
before the ad went on the air, the Washington Post ran a piece
discussing how President Bush is running the most negative
presidential campaign in U.S. history. In an article titled "From
Bush, Unprecedented Negativity," the Post quotes an expert who says
that "there is more attack now on the Bush side against Kerry than
you've historically had in the general-election period against
either candidate."[5]

Discussing the "Swift Boat" ad, Senator John McCain said, "I deplore
this kind of politics." Nebraska Governor Mike Johanns (R) called
the ad "trash" and even Pat Buchanan said "not a single charge is
substantiated . . . I think the ad is wrong."[6] But George Bush
won't condemn it. Let's let him know that we're sick and tired of
this "slime and defend" mode of campaigning.

Sign the petition to Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/


As irony meters all over America melt down.


Are you sure you haven't reversed the polarity on yours?


If the hypocrisy of MoveOn.org complaining of false advertising by the
Swiftees was any thicker you'd have to cut it with a diamond saw.

End the slime-and-defend? Oh that's hysterical! When are they going to
petition the Democrats to repudiate the AWOL claims and run Moore and
Wilson and Clarke out of town on a rail?

You're right - the Dems should distance themselves from the AWOL claims.
They should state, loudly and clearly, that the claims are just a rumour;
that just because the President hasn't refuted them by releasing his
military records in no way implies guilt; and that anybody repeating this
scurrilous rumour is in no way repeating the official party line.
I reckon doing that about once every two weeks should be enough the get the
message across, don't you?
Seriously, though, the AWOL thing isn't the same as the SBVT. It *is* just
a rumour (a bit like the "Clinton murdered Vince Foster" thing. You
wouldn't expect the Republicans to waste time repudiating that one, would
you?). As far as I know, nobody's gone to the extent of rounding up some
of Bush's alleged ex-colleagues to try and give the thing extra
credibility. Nobody's got those colleagues to write a book, or appear in a
TV advert, or is giving them copious amounts of airtime.
And, of course, nobody's shown the AWOL claim to be false. In fact, if
there's anything that's keeping the rumour alive, it's Bush's occasional
attempts at disproving it, which are just as cack-handed as everything else
he does.
As for Moore and Wilson and Clarke, I'm sure the Dems will be perfectly
happy to repudiate them, just as soon as somebody points out where they're
substantially wrong.

Complaining about political funding? I take it that Soros and Heinz-
Kerry will be getting refunds?

Can't say I'm familiar with this one, and I know even less about the murky
depths of US campaign financing. I seriously doubt that MoveOn is against
*all* political funding, so whether they're being hypocritical or not
depends on the details of the case. I suspect you're oversimplifying.

Oh, lordy mama, that's just *too* much. Glass houses indeed!

--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 19 Aug 2004 03:06:46 PM
Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:68ba6$4124e4af$51569c09$1538@nf1.news-service-com:

Fred Stone wrote:

Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:b3475$41238ea2$51569c09$31487@nf1.news-service-com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:TJOdnauEVdYI2LzcRVn-ig@comcast.com:

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and
outrageous ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries,
betrayed his troops, and "dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The
ad features people who say "I served with John Kerry" (although
they didn't) and who make numerous provably false accusations
about Kerry's war record.[1] It's one of the most vile tactics
we've seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator
John McCain, a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it
"dishonest and dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's
request that President Bush "specifically condemn" the ad, Bush
refuses to say anything about it.

Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds
of thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear
tactics, and we expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll
deliver our petition to President Bush on the campaign trail.

Sign the petition to President Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/

It's clear that the ad continues the tradition of Bush campaign
dirty tricks. In a recent interview, Senator McCain noted that the
ad "was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me" in 2000.
McCain was referring to a vicious smear campaign -- which included
race-baiting allegations that he had a black child our of wedlock
-- run by close Bush allies in 2000. In fact, the same firm that
ran some of the anti-McCain ads in 2000 produced the "Swift Boat"
ad.[3] And although the group claims to be independent of the
Republican party, the group's funding mostly comes from a longtime
Bush supporter who gave over $20,000 to his campaigns for Texas
governor.[4]

The "Swift Boat" campaign is a classical political hit job. But
even before the ad went on the air, the Washington Post ran a
piece discussing how President Bush is running the most negative
presidential campaign in U.S. history. In an article titled "From
Bush, Unprecedented Negativity," the Post quotes an expert who
says that "there is more attack now on the Bush side against Kerry
than you've historically had in the general-election period
against either candidate."[5]

Discussing the "Swift Boat" ad, Senator John McCain said, "I
deplore this kind of politics." Nebraska Governor Mike Johanns (R)
called the ad "trash" and even Pat Buchanan said "not a single
charge is substantiated . . . I think the ad is wrong."[6] But
George Bush won't condemn it. Let's let him know that we're sick
and tired of this "slime and defend" mode of campaigning.

Sign the petition to Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/


As irony meters all over America melt down.


Are you sure you haven't reversed the polarity on yours?


If the hypocrisy of MoveOn.org complaining of false advertising by
the Swiftees was any thicker you'd have to cut it with a diamond saw.

End the slime-and-defend? Oh that's hysterical! When are they going
to petition the Democrats to repudiate the AWOL claims and run Moore
and Wilson and Clarke out of town on a rail?


You're right - the Dems should distance themselves from the AWOL
claims. They should state, loudly and clearly, that the claims are
just a rumour; that just because the President hasn't refuted them by
releasing his military records in no way implies guilt; and that
anybody repeating this scurrilous rumour is in no way repeating the
official party line.

I reckon doing that about once every two weeks should be enough the
get the message across, don't you?

Seriously, though, the AWOL thing isn't the same as the SBVT. It *is*
just a rumour (a bit like the "Clinton murdered Vince Foster" thing.
You wouldn't expect the Republicans to waste time repudiating that
one, would you?). As far as I know, nobody's gone to the extent of
rounding up some of Bush's alleged ex-colleagues to try and give the
thing extra credibility. Nobody's got those colleagues to write a
book, or appear in a TV advert, or is giving them copious amounts of
airtime.

And, of course, nobody's shown the AWOL claim to be false. In fact,
if there's anything that's keeping the rumour alive, it's Bush's
occasional attempts at disproving it, which are just as cack-handed as
everything else he does.

Oh, well then the SBV's are just a rumour too, and Kerry should ignore
*them*.

As for Moore and Wilson and Clarke, I'm sure the Dems will be
perfectly happy to repudiate them, just as soon as somebody points out
where they're substantially wrong.

The 9/11 Commission and the Senate Intelligence Committee have done that
quite thoroughly.

Complaining about political funding? I take it that Soros and Heinz-
Kerry will be getting refunds?


Can't say I'm familiar with this one, and I know even less about the
murky depths of US campaign financing. I seriously doubt that MoveOn
is against *all* political funding, so whether they're being
hypocritical or not depends on the details of the case. I suspect
you're oversimplifying.

Oh, lordy mama, that's just *too* much. Glass houses indeed!


Your double standards are showing.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.





User: "maff"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 19 Aug 2004 01:27:24 PM
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<TJOdnauEVdYI2LzcRVn-ig@comcast.com>...

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and outrageous
ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his troops, and
"dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad features people who say "I
served with John Kerry" (although they didn't) and who make numerous
provably false accusations about Kerry's war record.[1] It's one of the most
vile tactics we've seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John McCain,
a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest and
dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's request that President Bush
"specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say anything about it.

Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds of
thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear tactics, and we
expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll deliver our petition to
President Bush on the campaign trail.

Sign the petition to President Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/

It's clear that the ad continues the tradition of Bush campaign dirty
tricks. In a recent interview, Senator McCain noted that the ad "was the
same kind of deal that was pulled on me" in 2000. McCain was referring to a
vicious smear campaign -- which included race-baiting allegations that he
had a black child our of wedlock -- run by close Bush allies in 2000. In
fact, the same firm that ran some of the anti-McCain ads in 2000 produced
the "Swift Boat" ad.[3] And although the group claims to be independent of
the Republican party, the group's funding mostly comes from a longtime Bush
supporter who gave over $20,000 to his campaigns for Texas governor.[4]

The "Swift Boat" campaign is a classical political hit job. But even before
the ad went on the air, the Washington Post ran a piece discussing how
President Bush is running the most negative presidential campaign in U.S.
history. In an article titled "From Bush, Unprecedented Negativity," the Pos
t quotes an expert who says that "there is more attack now on the Bush side
against Kerry than you've historically had in the general-election period
against either candidate."[5]

Discussing the "Swift Boat" ad, Senator John McCain said, "I deplore this
kind of politics." Nebraska Governor Mike Johanns (R) called the ad "trash"
and even Pat Buchanan said "not a single charge is substantiated . . . I
think the ad is wrong."[6] But George Bush won't condemn it. Let's let him
know that we're sick and tired of this "slime and defend" mode of
campaigning.

Sign the petition to Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/

Jim Rassman, a Republican veteran who served under Kerry, recently wrote an
opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal. He told the story of how Kerry
saved his life. And he concluded with these words on the "Swift Boat"
veterans: "[W]hen the noise and fog of their distortions and lies have
cleared, a man who volunteered to serve his country, a man who showed up for
duty when his country called, a man to whom the United States Navy awarded a
Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, will stand tall and
proud. Ultimately, the American people will judge these Swift Boat Veterans
for Bush and their accusations. Americans are tired of smear campaigns
against those who volunteered to wear the uniform. Swift Boat Veterans for
Bush should hang their heads in shame."[7]

Sincerely,

--Eli Pariser
MoveOn PAC
August 16th, 2004

1. FACT CHECK: Swift Boat Veterans for Bush, 8/5/04
http://www.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/080504_truth.html
2. McCain Condemns Anti-Kerry Ad, 8/5/04
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&e=3&u=/ap/20040805/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_mccain
3. Republicans' Dishonorable Charge, 8/6/04
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/08/06/mccain_on_swift_boat_veterans/index_np.html
4. Republican-funded Group Attacks Kerry's War Record, 8/15/04
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231
5. From Bush, Unprecedented Negativity, 5/31/04
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3222-2004May30.html
6. AP, 8/5/04 (McCain); Nebraska State Paper, 8/7/04 (Johanns); MSNBC,
Scarborough Country, 8/6/04 (Buchanan)
http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/archives/002445.html#more
7. Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush, 8/10/04
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005460

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stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and
neither do we." George Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

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User: "johac"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 18 Aug 2004 01:15:28 AM
In article <TJOdnauEVdYI2LzcRVn-ig@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and outrageous
ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his troops, and
"dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad features people who say "I
served with John Kerry" (although they didn't) and who make numerous
provably false accusations about Kerry's war record.[1] It's one of the most
vile tactics we've seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John McCain,
a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest and
dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's request that President Bush
"specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say anything about it.

Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds of
thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear tactics, and we
expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll deliver our petition to
President Bush on the campaign trail.

Sign the petition to President Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/

Already did.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.
User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 18 Aug 2004 02:05:47 AM
"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-01E5AD.23152817082004@news.giganews.com...

In article <TJOdnauEVdYI2LzcRVn-ig@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and

outrageous

ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his troops,

and

"dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad features people who say "I
served with John Kerry" (although they didn't) and who make numerous
provably false accusations about Kerry's war record.[1] It's one of the

most

vile tactics we've seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John

McCain,

a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest and
dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's request that President

Bush

"specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say anything about it.

Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds of
thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear tactics, and

we

expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll deliver our petition to
President Bush on the campaign trail.

Sign the petition to President Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/


Already did.

Good man. I hope others from aa did, too.
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stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and
neither do we." George Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
.
User: "Harry F. Leopold"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 18 Aug 2004 07:49:56 AM
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:05:47 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote
(in article <L7adncCIg-IhYr_cRVn-qg@comcast.com>):


"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-01E5AD.23152817082004@news.giganews.com...

In article <TJOdnauEVdYI2LzcRVn-ig@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and

outrageous

ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his troops,

and

"dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad features people who say "I
served with John Kerry" (although they didn't) and who make numerous
provably false accusations about Kerry's war record.[1] It's one of the

most

vile tactics we've seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John

McCain,

a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest and
dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's request that President

Bush

"specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say anything about it.

Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds of
thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear tactics, and

we

expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll deliver our petition to
President Bush on the campaign trail.

Sign the petition to President Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/


Already did.


Good man. I hope others from aa did, too.

Just did it.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³People like me, who cannot think for themselves, are a dime a dozen.³ -
Pastor Dave
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 19 Aug 2004 12:29:30 AM
In article <0001HW.BD48BAA400343D20F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>,
Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:05:47 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote
(in article <L7adncCIg-IhYr_cRVn-qg@comcast.com>):


"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-01E5AD.23152817082004@news.giganews.com...

In article <TJOdnauEVdYI2LzcRVn-ig@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and

outrageous

ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his troops,

and

"dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad features people who say "I
served with John Kerry" (although they didn't) and who make numerous
provably false accusations about Kerry's war record.[1] It's one of the

most

vile tactics we've seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John

McCain,

a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest and
dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's request that President

Bush

"specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say anything about it.

Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds of
thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear tactics, and

we

expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll deliver our petition to
President Bush on the campaign trail.

Sign the petition to President Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/


Already did.


Good man. I hope others from aa did, too.


Just did it.

Good for you!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.

User: "Apostate"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 19 Aug 2004 09:29:33 PM
n Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:49:56 -0500, Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:05:47 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote
(in article <L7adncCIg-IhYr_cRVn-qg@comcast.com>):


"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-01E5AD.23152817082004@news.giganews.com...

In article <TJOdnauEVdYI2LzcRVn-ig@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and

outrageous

ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his troops,

and

"dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad features people who say "I
served with John Kerry" (although they didn't) and who make numerous
provably false accusations about Kerry's war record.[1] It's one of the

most

vile tactics we've seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John

McCain,

a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest and
dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's request that President

Bush

"specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say anything about it.

Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds of
thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear tactics, and

we

expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll deliver our petition to
President Bush on the campaign trail.

Sign the petition to President Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/


Already did.


Good man. I hope others from aa did, too.


Just did it.

I only wish the frat boy would have to read the appended comments.
--
/Apostate
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BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
plonked by vernon
I doubt, therefore I might be.
.
User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 20 Aug 2004 12:12:02 AM
"Apostate" <save_this@apostate.mailshell.com> wrote in message
news:dfoai0lh6sg1cjhcfhu6fgf65vtgiv3m8g@4ax.com...

n Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:49:56 -0500, Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net>

wrote:


On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:05:47 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote
(in article <L7adncCIg-IhYr_cRVn-qg@comcast.com>):


"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-01E5AD.23152817082004@news.giganews.com...

In article <TJOdnauEVdYI2LzcRVn-ig@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and

outrageous

ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his

troops,

and

"dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad features people who say

"I

served with John Kerry" (although they didn't) and who make numerous
provably false accusations about Kerry's war record.[1] It's one of

the

most

vile tactics we've seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John

McCain,

a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest and
dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's request that President

Bush

"specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say anything about it.

Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds of
thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear tactics,

and

we

expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll deliver our petition

to

President Bush on the campaign trail.

Sign the petition to President Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/


Already did.


Good man. I hope others from aa did, too.


Just did it.


I only wish the frat boy would have to read the appended comments.

The Shrub admits that he doesn't read. He has people to do such
arduous tasks for him.
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alt.atheism atheist/agnostic list name collector
BAAWA Knight & EAC Bible thumper thumper
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never
stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and
neither do we." George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004



--
/Apostate
atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
plonked by vernon
I doubt, therefore I might be.

.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 20 Aug 2004 12:32:13 AM
In article <dfoai0lh6sg1cjhcfhu6fgf65vtgiv3m8g@4ax.com>,
Apostate <save_this@apostate.mailshell.com> wrote:

n Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:49:56 -0500, Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net>
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:05:47 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote
(in article <L7adncCIg-IhYr_cRVn-qg@comcast.com>):


"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-01E5AD.23152817082004@news.giganews.com...

In article <TJOdnauEVdYI2LzcRVn-ig@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and

outrageous

ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his troops,

and

"dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad features people who say "I
served with John Kerry" (although they didn't) and who make numerous
provably false accusations about Kerry's war record.[1] It's one of the

most

vile tactics we've seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John

McCain,

a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest and
dishonorable."[2] Yet despite Senator McCain's request that President

Bush

"specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say anything about it.

Together, let's send President Bush a clear message from hundreds of
thousands of Americans that we won't stand for these smear tactics, and

we

expect him to repudiate and reject them. We'll deliver our petition to
President Bush on the campaign trail.

Sign the petition to President Bush now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/falseadvertising/


Already did.


Good man. I hope others from aa did, too.


Just did it.


I only wish the frat boy would have to read the appended comments.

Or have someone read them to him.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.





User: "duke"

Title: Re: More On Republican Swift Boat Liars 19 Aug 2004 05:45:38 PM
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:39:11 -0400, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

Last week, a group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and outrageous
ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his troops, and
"dishonored his country" in Vietnam.

I think it's true.
duke
*****
1 Corinthians 4
15Even though you have ten thousand guardians in
Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ
Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
*****
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