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29 Dec 2005 02:12:59 AM |
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More Religious Idiocy: Pakistani Killed Daughters to Save 'Honor' |
This is totally disgusting. How could anyone belong to a religion and/or
culture which condones acts like these.
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Pakistani Killed Daughters to Save 'Honor'
By KHALID TANVEER, Associated Press WriterWed Dec 28, 5:37 PM ET
Nazir Ahmed appears calm and unrepentant as he recounts how he slit the
throats of his three young daughters and their 25-year old stepsister to
salvage his family's "honor" a crime that shocked Pakistan.
The 40-year old laborer, speaking to The Associated Press in police
detention as he was being shifted to prison, confessed to just one
regret that he didn't murder the stepsister's alleged lover too.
Hundreds of girls and women are murdered by male relatives each year in
this conservative Islamic nation, and rights groups said Wednesday such
"honor killings" will only stop when authorities get serious about
punishing perpetrators.
The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said that in more
than half of such cases that make it to court, most end with cash
settlements paid by relatives to the victims' families, although under a
law passed last year, the minimum penalty is 10 years, the maximum death
by hanging.
Ahmed's killing spree witnessed by his wife Rehmat Bibi as she cradled
their 3 month-old baby son happened Friday night at their home in the
cotton-growing village of Gago Mandi in eastern Punjab province.
It is the latest of more than 260 such honor killings documented by the
rights commission, mostly from media reports, during the first 11 months
of 2005.
Bibi recounted how she was woken by a shriek as Ahmed put his hand to
the mouth of his stepdaughter Muqadas and cut her throat with a machete.
Bibi looked helplessly on from the corner of the room as he then killed
the three girls Bano, 8, Sumaira, 7, and Humaira, 4 pausing between
the slayings to brandish the bloodstained knife at his wife, warning her
not to intervene or raise alarm.
"I was shivering with fear. I did not know how to save my daughters,"
Bibi, sobbing, told AP by phone from the village. "I begged my husband
to spare my daughters but he said, 'If you make a noise, I will kill
you.'"
"The whole night the bodies of my daughters lay in front of me," she
said.
The next morning, Ahmed was arrested.
Speaking to AP in the back of police pickup truck late Tuesday as he was
shifted to a prison in the city of Multan, Ahmed showed no contrition.
Appearing disheveled but composed, he said he killed Muqadas because she
had committed adultery, and his daughters because he didn't want them to
do the same when they grew up.
He said he bought a butcher's knife and a machete after midday prayers
on Friday and hid them in the house where he carried out the killings.
"I thought the younger girls would do what their eldest sister had done,
so they should be eliminated," he said, his hands cuffed, his face
unshaven. "We are poor people and we have nothing else to protect but
our honor."
Despite Ahmed's contention that Muqadas had committed adultery a claim
made by her husband the rights commission reported that according to
local people, Muqadas had fled her husband because he had abused her and
forced her to work in a brick-making factory.
Police have said they do not know the identity or whereabouts of
Muqadas' alleged lover.
Muqadas was Bibi's daughter by her first marriage to Ahmed's brother,
who died 14 years ago. Ahmed married his brother's widow, as is
customary under Islamic tradition.
"Women are treated as property and those committing crimes against them
do not get punished," said the rights commission's director, Kamla Hyat.
"The steps taken by our government have made no real difference."
Activists accuse President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a self-styled moderate
Muslim, of reluctance to reform outdated Islamized laws that make it
difficult to secure convictions in rape, acid attacks and other cases of
violence against women. They say police are often reluctant to
prosecute, regarding such crimes as family disputes.
Statistics on honor killings are confused and imprecise, but figures
from the rights commission's Web site and its officials show a marked
reduction in cases this year: 267 in the first 11 months of 2005,
compared with 579 during all of 2004. The Ministry of Women's
Development said it had no reliable figures.
Ijaz Elahi, the ministry's joint secretary, said the violence was
decreasing and that increasing numbers of victims were reporting
incidents to police or the media. Laws, including one passed last year
to beef up penalties for honor killings, had been toughened, she said.
Police in Multan said they would complete their investigation into
Ahmed's case in the next two weeks and that he faces the death sentence
if he is convicted for the killings and terrorizing his neighborhood.
Ahmed, who did not resist arrest, was unrepentant.
"I told the police that I am an honorable father and I slaughtered my
dishonored daughter and the three other girls," he said. "I wish that I
get a chance to eliminate the boy she ran away with and set his home on
fire."
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| Title: Re: More Religious Idiocy: Pakistani Killed Daughters to Save 'Honor' |
29 Dec 2005 06:46:05 AM |
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johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-79DF29.00125929122005
@news.giganews.com:
This is totally disgusting. How could anyone belong to a religion and/or
culture which condones acts like these.
I am surprised you didn't know about this activity. It is quite common in
many different forms. It does get worse though.
http://www.memphis.edu/magazine/v21i3/feat6.html
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: More Religious Idiocy: Pakistani Killed Daughters to Save 'Honor' |
30 Dec 2005 12:11:37 AM |
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In article <Xns973B44E39A031mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-79DF29.00125929122005
@news.giganews.com:
This is totally disgusting. How could anyone belong to a religion and/or
culture which condones acts like these.
I am surprised you didn't know about this activity. It is quite common in
many different forms. It does get worse though.
http://www.memphis.edu/magazine/v21i3/feat6.html
This is not the first time that I heard of it. Most in aa have heard of
such atrocities too. this was more for the benefit of the fundies and
trolls who come over here to tell us how great their religions are.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: More Religious Idiocy: Pakistani Killed Daughters to Save 'Honor' |
30 Dec 2005 02:59:02 AM |
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johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-FB59E0.22113729122005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns973B44E39A031mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-79DF29.00125929122005 @news.giganews.com:
This is totally disgusting. How could anyone belong to a religion
and/or culture which condones acts like these.
I am surprised you didn't know about this activity. It is quite common
in many different forms. It does get worse though.
http://www.memphis.edu/magazine/v21i3/feat6.html
This is not the first time that I heard of it. Most in aa have heard of
such atrocities too. this was more for the benefit of the fundies and
trolls who come over here to tell us how great their religions are.
Their religions are a great source of lies. It is quite easy to make a
fundy lie. All you have to do is present one with some facts and you will
see all sorts of wild stories, absurdities, and more. The best one was the
story made up by a creationist when presented with the fossil record, the
antarctic ice record, and the sedimentary record. His explaination? "God
created the earth and everything in it all at once in one day including the
ice, the fossils and the sediments. He did it that way to test our faith
in him."
I agree with the creationists and fundies that their God is a man. Why?
Because no woman could or would ***** things up this badly.
pierce
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: More Religious Idiocy: Pakistani Killed Daughters to Save 'Honor' |
31 Dec 2005 01:47:52 AM |
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In article <Xns973C1E64C1D59mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-FB59E0.22113729122005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns973B44E39A031mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-79DF29.00125929122005 @news.giganews.com:
This is totally disgusting. How could anyone belong to a religion
and/or culture which condones acts like these.
I am surprised you didn't know about this activity. It is quite common
in many different forms. It does get worse though.
http://www.memphis.edu/magazine/v21i3/feat6.html
This is not the first time that I heard of it. Most in aa have heard of
such atrocities too. this was more for the benefit of the fundies and
trolls who come over here to tell us how great their religions are.
Their religions are a great source of lies. It is quite easy to make a
fundy lie. All you have to do is present one with some facts and you will
see all sorts of wild stories, absurdities, and more. The best one was the
story made up by a creationist when presented with the fossil record, the
antarctic ice record, and the sedimentary record. His explaination? "God
created the earth and everything in it all at once in one day including the
ice, the fossils and the sediments. He did it that way to test our faith
in him."
I've heard that one before. The other one is that the Devil made the
fossils to deceive us.
I agree with the creationists and fundies that their God is a man. Why?
Because no woman could or would ***** things up this badly.
Maybe when Gawd did it, Mrs. Gawd was out of town.
pierce
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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