Religions > Atheism > More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles
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"Jason Gastrich" |
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20 Mar 2005 07:43:27 PM |
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More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the document that
atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two
Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6 reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy
of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall not
be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures. Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our lawgiver,26 the
LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
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| User: "David Vestal" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
20 Mar 2005 07:52:21 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:znk%d.3897$4Y.3455@twister.socal.rr.com:
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that
the foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the
document that atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the
Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the
Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in
open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6
reads, "At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he
that is worthy of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one
witness he shall not be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures.
Isaiah 33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our
lawgiver,26 the LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
Gastrich, I would think this to be satire if I didn't know you better.
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| User: "Ike" |
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21 Mar 2005 03:57:13 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:znk%d.3897$4Y.3455@twister.socal.rr.com...
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the document
that
atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two
Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6 reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is
worthy
of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall
not
be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures. Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our lawgiver,26
the
LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
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And why should anyone care what the U.S. Constitution was founded on?
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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21 Mar 2005 10:02:45 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:znk%d.3897$4Y.3455@twister.socal.rr.com...
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the document
that atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
If this crap isn't enough evidence that fanatical zealots are trying to
infuse THEIR extremist beliefs into everyone else's
mind.....................
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two
Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6
reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is
worthy
of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall
not
be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures.
Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our lawgiver,26
the
LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
As insane as the alleged biblical/numerical codes constantly babbled about.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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21 Mar 2005 03:36:47 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:znk%d.3897$4Y.3455@twister.socal.rr.com...
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the document
that
atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two
Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6 reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is
worthy
of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall
not
be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures. Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our lawgiver,26
the
LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
Oh brother. You'll try anything, you *****.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
20 Mar 2005 11:55:22 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:znk%d.3897$4Y.3455@twister.socal.rr.com...
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the document
that
atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two
Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6 reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is
worthy
of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall
not
be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures. Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our lawgiver,26
the
LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
Another leap of faith, that seems to magically connect two extraordinarly
desparate pieces of writing, by our own mentally challenged distributor of
theistic nonsense.
Like this pearl also from deuteronomy:
21:18
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice
of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have
chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
21:19
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto
the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
21:20
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and
rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so
shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and
fear.
Yah buddy I am going to believe every word out of this demented book of
drivel, for sure! Comparing this load of offal with the Constitution of the
United States is plainly offensive. Only the religiously retarded could look
at deuteronomy and believe it has anything remotely approaching reasonable
advice on anything, parenting for an absolutely certainty, any reasonable
statements contained there in are purely accidental I am sure. So could you
please take your offal and go somewhere else!
Later Larry
aa# 2216
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
21 Mar 2005 02:37:13 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:znk%d.3897$4Y.3455@twister.socal.rr.com...
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the document
that
atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two
Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6 reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is
worthy
of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall
not
be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures. Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our lawgiver,26
the
LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
Go ahead and try to make the US a theocracy.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Emma Pease" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
22 Mar 2005 01:10:45 AM |
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In article <3a6qanF65voptU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
....
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures. Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our lawgiver,26
the
LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
Go ahead and try to make the US a theocracy.
1. He seems to have gotten the citation wrong, it is Isa 33:22.
also see
http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Def.show/RTD/ISBE/ID/5448
which discusses what the Hebrew word translated as Lawgiver here
means.
2. This breakdown of power into executive, legislative, and judicial
has been known for centuries. Aristotle apparently wrote about them
and he certainly had a stronger influence on later political
philosophers and the Constitutional Convention than this verse from
the Bible.
3. The newish thing about the US Constitution is that these three
powers were _split_ into three separate branches run by different
people that would check and balance each other. This verse has the
three powers united in one entity, in other words an absolute
monarchy.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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22 Mar 2005 12:37:24 PM |
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Emma Pease <emma@kanpai.stanford.edu> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures. Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our lawgiver,26
the LORD [is] our king; he will save us.
Go ahead and try to make the US a theocracy.
1. He seems to have gotten the citation wrong, it is Isa 33:22.
also see
http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Def.show/RTD/ISBE/ID/5448
which discusses what the Hebrew word translated as Lawgiver here
means.
2. This breakdown of power into executive, legislative, and judicial
has been known for centuries. Aristotle apparently wrote about them
and he certainly had a stronger influence on later political
philosophers and the Constitutional Convention than this verse from
the Bible.
3. The newish thing about the US Constitution is that these three
powers were _split_ into three separate branches run by different
people that would check and balance each other. This verse has the
three powers united in one entity, in other words an absolute
monarchy.
The LORD is the lawgiver, judge, jury, and executioner all rolled into
one, right?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
22 Mar 2005 12:59:10 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:37:24 GMT in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis (Elroy
Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Emma Pease <emma@kanpai.stanford.edu> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures. Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our lawgiver,26
the LORD [is] our king; he will save us.
Go ahead and try to make the US a theocracy.
1. He seems to have gotten the citation wrong, it is Isa 33:22.
also see
http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Def.show/RTD/ISBE/ID/5448
which discusses what the Hebrew word translated as Lawgiver here
means.
2. This breakdown of power into executive, legislative, and judicial
has been known for centuries. Aristotle apparently wrote about them
and he certainly had a stronger influence on later political
philosophers and the Constitutional Convention than this verse from
the Bible.
3. The newish thing about the US Constitution is that these three
powers were _split_ into three separate branches run by different
people that would check and balance each other. This verse has the
three powers united in one entity, in other words an absolute
monarchy.
The LORD is the lawgiver, judge, jury, and executioner all rolled into
one, right?
And hear the word of the Lord. Particularly as I annunciate it!
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- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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22 Mar 2005 01:29:01 PM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism
in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis (Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>) said
Emma Pease <emma@kanpai.stanford.edu> wrote in alt.atheism
3. The newish thing about the US Constitution is that these three
powers were _split_ into three separate branches run by different
people that would check and balance each other. This verse has the
three powers united in one entity, in other words an absolute
monarchy.
The LORD is the lawgiver, judge, jury, and executioner all rolled into
one, right?
And hear the word of the Lord. Particularly as I annunciate it!
Bring me some food or gold or coins, and I'll tell you what he wants!
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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23 Mar 2005 01:01:17 PM |
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In our last episode <s640419k0hm1q68du175195vtnv71kp83b@4ax.com>, Elroy
Willis pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Emma Pease <emma@kanpai.stanford.edu> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures.
Isaiah 33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our
lawgiver,26 the LORD [is] our king; he will save us.
Go ahead and try to make the US a theocracy.
1. He seems to have gotten the citation wrong, it is Isa 33:22.
also see
http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Def.show/RTD/ISBE/ID/5448
which discusses what the Hebrew word translated as Lawgiver here means.
2. This breakdown of power into executive, legislative, and judicial has
been known for centuries. Aristotle apparently wrote about them and he
certainly had a stronger influence on later political philosophers and
the Constitutional Convention than this verse from the Bible.
3. The newish thing about the US Constitution is that these three powers
were _split_ into three separate branches run by different people that
would check and balance each other. This verse has the three powers
united in one entity, in other words an absolute monarchy.
The LORD is the lawgiver, judge, jury, and executioner all rolled into
one, right?
Interesting "separation of powers" that...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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20 Mar 2005 11:00:09 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:43:27 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
spam and lies are not appreciated in alt.atheism.
Don
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof US founded on ANTI-biblical principles. |
20 Mar 2005 09:37:37 PM |
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In article <znk%d.3897$4Y.3455@twister.socal.rr.com>, usenetspam1
@yahoo.com says...
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two
Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6
You mean for Jews. Most xians don't give a ***** about Deuteronomy 17:6.
They certainly don't adhere to many of the "divine laws" stated in the
obviously forged book of Deuteronomy.
reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy
of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall not
be put to death.93
Then why is it only applied in treason cases and not applied as a
general rule, as in Deuteronomy. Are you saying that nobody has ever
been legally sentenced to death for any offense in the US on just the
testimony of one witness?
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures. Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our lawgiver,26 the
LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
And we don't have a king meaning that your claim is absurd. Here are
some other points for your consideration.
The biblical commandments forbid us from worshipping any god other than
Yahweh. The first amendment invalidates the first commandment and says
we can worship any god or no god. The bible also commands that we not
take the name of the lord in vain. Again, the first amendment says that
we may do so as a matter of free speech. The bible says we can't make
graven images. The first amendment gives us freedom of the press to do
just that if we so choose. Despite the fact that constitution allows
government to delay business until after the weekend, it does not
require that the citizens, or members of government "keep holy the
sabbath day". And if our constitution required no coveting, then that
would be the end of american capitalism. If our constitution required
no adultery then many founding fathers would have been in violation of
it. There are far more non-biblical principles in the constitution than
the smattering of dubious religious similarities.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Mar 2005 11:19:50 PM |
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In our last episode <znk%d.3897$4Y.3455@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the document
that atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony
of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6 reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is
worthy of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he
shall not be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures. Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our lawgiver,26
the LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
You just get more pathetic by the post...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
21 Mar 2005 02:39:26 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:y86dnaY7qIaLmKPfRVn-3A@megapath.net...
In our last episode <znk%d.3897$4Y.3455@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the document
that atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony
of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6
reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is
worthy of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he
shall not be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures. Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our lawgiver,26
the LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
You just get more pathetic by the post...
Just when you didn't think it was possible...................... ;P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Mar 2005 11:24:30 AM |
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In our last episode <3a6qesF67o8ofU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:y86dnaY7qIaLmKPfRVn-3A@megapath.net...
In our last episode <znk%d.3897$4Y.3455@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the document
that atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the
Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in
open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6
reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is
worthy of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness
he shall not be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures.
Isaiah 33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our
lawgiver,26 the LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
You just get more pathetic by the post...
Just when you didn't think it was possible...................... ;P
He's talented that one...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "rogue" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
20 Mar 2005 07:57:30 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that
the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the
document that
atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two
Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6
reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is
worthy
of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he
shall not
be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures.
Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our
lawgiver,26 the
LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
JERRY
And I thought you gave up drugs.... LOL
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| User: "Razzer" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
20 Mar 2005 09:47:54 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that
the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the
document that
atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two
Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6
reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is
worthy
of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he
shall not
be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures.
Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our
lawgiver,26 the
LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
If the Constituion were to based on the Bible because it took ideas
from it, then you must also agree that Christianity is nothing more
than a mish-mash of animistic, pagan, Persian, Babaloyian, Greek, etc.
ideas.
Personally, to that I would say no - not by that logic. It is rather
backwards of you to make such a claim. Unforetuneately, just because it
is parallel doesn't mean one borrowed from the other.
Besides, the priests that wrote Deuteronomy probably stole that piece
off one of the surrounding cultures.
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free
indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ
has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
21 Mar 2005 12:42:35 AM |
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Razzer wrote:
If the Constituion were to based on the Bible because it took ideas
from it, then you must also agree that Christianity is nothing more
than a mish-mash of animistic, pagan, Persian, Babaloyian, Greek,
etc.
ideas.
Personally, to that I would say no - not by that logic. It is rather
backwards of you to make such a claim. Unforetuneately, just because
it
is parallel doesn't mean one borrowed from the other.
Besides, the priests that wrote Deuteronomy probably stole that piece
off one of the surrounding cultures.
I wish I had said that, because I would have phrased it so someone
could understand it. :)
Don't argue with Jason. He is just a pathetic ***** who thinks calling
atheists names makes him big in Christian circles. Typical politician.
jwk
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
20 Mar 2005 10:54:51 PM |
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Razzer wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that
the foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the
document that atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the
Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the
Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession
in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6
reads, "At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he
that is worthy of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of
one witness he shall not be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures.
Isaiah 33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our
lawgiver,26 the LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
If the Constituion were to based on the Bible because it took ideas
from it, then you must also agree that Christianity is nothing more
than a mish-mash of animistic, pagan, Persian, Babaloyian, Greek, etc.
ideas.
Personally, to that I would say no - not by that logic. It is rather
backwards of you to make such a claim. Unforetuneately, just because
it is parallel doesn't mean one borrowed from the other.
Besides, the priests that wrote Deuteronomy probably stole that piece
off one of the surrounding cultures.
Probably not.
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke
of bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
21 Mar 2005 01:18:32 AM |
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In article <%an%d.3933$4Y.3848@twister.socal.rr.com>, usenetspam1
@yahoo.com says...
Probably not.
Naturally you provide nothing to back up your two word, childish
assertion. It's demonstrable the case the the Hebrews borrowed
extensively from other cultures with which they had contact.
Deuteronomy was forged so much later than the other fradulent fairy
tales attributed to Moses that it quite easily could have stolen from
more developed cultural and literary traditions of the real
civilizations that surrounded the primitive hebrew nation.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
22 Mar 2005 12:20:01 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
usenetspam1@yahoo.com says...
Probably not.
Naturally you provide nothing to back up your two word, childish
assertion. It's demonstrable the case the the Hebrews borrowed
extensively from other cultures with which they had contact.
Deuteronomy was forged so much later than the other fradulent fairy
tales attributed to Moses that it quite easily could have stolen from
more developed cultural and literary traditions of the real
civilizations that surrounded the primitive hebrew nation.
Most likely from Hammurabi. What's interesting is that Hammurabi is
supposed to have received his laws from a Persian sun god named
Shamash, and the center candle of the Jewish menorah is also called
Shamash, and represents the sun.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
21 Mar 2005 10:28:20 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:54:51 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Besides, the priests that wrote Deuteronomy probably stole that piece
off one of the surrounding cultures.
Probably not.
I'm afraid you are problably wrong, 'doctor'...
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| User: "David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
20 Mar 2005 07:56:27 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that
the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the
document that
atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two
Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6
reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is
worthy
of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he
shall not
be put to death.93
snip
So since for Christians 'Thou shalt not Kill' is a defining commandment
in the Bible, does this mean that everyone that believes in the
phiolosophy of not killong are Christians? What about those
protestants and catholics that are always killing each other? Are they
Christians?
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| User: "rogue" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
20 Mar 2005 08:07:43 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that
the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the
document that
atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
JERRY
I just checked out your michaelnewdow page and it's so littered with
errors and lies that it begs the question of where and when you were
taught American history, Jason.
Quick, why is Blaise Pascal on the list? Why is John Quincy Adams not
a viable person to list? What is the problem with listing Thomas Paine
as one of these "Christians?" Did you learn your American history from
a diploma mill as well?
The page contains so many errors that I could do a book on your
misconceptions and lies. Hey, I could call a new webpage something
along the lines of Jasongastrichlies.com or .org! And on that page, I
will direct people to read my book which shows all the lies of one
Jason Gastrich. I will link to yours if you will link to mine, Jason.
We could hype each other's business.
Whatcha think?
JASON
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two
Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6
reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is
worthy
of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he
shall not
be put to death.93
JERRY
So, do you have a statement from any of the Founders that this was what
was intended when they wrote the Constitution? Can you actually show
your scholarship, or is your opinion the only scholarship you will give
us?
JASON
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures.
Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our
lawgiver,26 the
LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
JERRY
And I thought you gave up drugs.... LOL
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| User: "David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
20 Mar 2005 08:12:48 PM |
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rogue wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that
the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the
document that
atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
JERRY
I just checked out your michaelnewdow page and it's so littered with
errors and lies that it begs the question of where and when you were
taught American history, Jason.
Quick, why is Blaise Pascal on the list? Why is John Quincy Adams
not
a viable person to list? What is the problem with listing Thomas
Paine
as one of these "Christians?" Did you learn your American history
from
a diploma mill as well?
The page contains so many errors that I could do a book on your
misconceptions and lies. Hey, I could call a new webpage something
along the lines of Jasongastrichlies.com or .org! And on that page,
I
will direct people to read my book which shows all the lies of one
Jason Gastrich. I will link to yours if you will link to mine,
Jason.
We could hype each other's business.
Whatcha think?
JASON
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two
Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6
reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that
is
worthy
of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he
shall not
be put to death.93
JERRY
So, do you have a statement from any of the Founders that this was
what
was intended when they wrote the Constitution? Can you actually show
your scholarship, or is your opinion the only scholarship you will
give
us?
I have no doubt that Jason will be able to cite a trustworthy web page
for whatever quote you desire.
David D.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
21 Mar 2005 02:10:04 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that
the foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the
document that atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the
Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War
against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the
Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in
open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6
reads, "At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he
that is worthy of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one
witness he shall not be put to death.93
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures.
Isaiah 33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our
lawgiver,26 the LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
So are we up to five gods now? holy spirit, son, judge, lawgiver, king?
Or does this refer to one thing doing all three, in which case we don't see
"our" government here.
Sloppy thinking Jason, who pretends he does not read this.
Learn anything about the questions yet?
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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21 Mar 2005 12:41:02 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
If http://michaelnewdow.com wasn't enough proof, there is more that the
foundation of America and the U.S. Constitution even (yes, the document that
atheists claim is "godless") was influenced by the Bible.
Article 3, Section 3, paragraph 1 reads:
Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two
Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Citation: http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
For Christians, this passage looks very familiar. Deuteronomy 17:6 reads,
"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy
of death5 be put to death;93 [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall not
be put to death.93
this is evidence ?! Clutching at straws I'd call it ......
We also see our 3 branches of government FIRST in the scriptures. Isaiah
33:2 reads, "For the LORD [is] our judge,6 the LORD [is] our lawgiver,26 the
LORD [is] our king; he will save55 us.
the depths of your stupidity are obviously yet to be fathomed ......
it's the separation and independence of the three branches that form the
basis of government NOT giving them all to one despot ...... sheesh,
what a maroon ......
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Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
20 Mar 2005 10:30:46 PM |
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LP,
Got anything original?
JG
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free
indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ
has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: More Undeniable Proof: The U.S. is Founded on Biblical Principles |
21 Mar 2005 02:38:51 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qQm%d.3929$4Y.2369@twister.socal.rr.com...
LP,
Got anything original?
Do you, hypocrite?
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Resident Witchypoo
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