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User: "Carl Sagans billions"
Date: 18 Feb 2007 12:01:26 AM
Object: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it
Very good overview of evolution:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:
1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and
2) their total education in science has been abysmal
If you die and get buried, how much of your body would be left after
100 years, how much after 1000 years, how much after 10,000 years?
Most of us will agree that most mammal bodies after 10,000 years would
be completely gone. What after 100,000 years? What after a million
years? What after 10 million years?
Conclusion: Remains or fossils of mammals from thousands or
or hundreds of thousands or millions of years ago are very rare.
Evolution is a fact. Darwin was a great scientist. Some of the
possible mechanisms of evolution, even now, are not well understood
by many people. One of the main enablers is TIME --
and millions of years of it!
The following simple example explains one way in which the
characteristics of a population can change over time.
Assume a population of ancestors of giraffes had short necks,
e.g., average neck length is 12 inches. This is an average, the real
neck length for the population of course varies over a range
around 12 inches.
Assume for the sake of discussion that the length varies roughly
from 9 and 15 inches. Environmental drivers (food, water, diseases,
trees, parasites, carnivores, selection, etc., etc.,) and random
mutations will usually change this population slightly in an arbitrary
direction. Some populations hardly change over millions of years.
Others change rapidly within tens of thousands of years.
Assume due to environmental factors giraffes with the longer necks
in this population are favored ever so slightly, e.g., due to
wide spread diseases in low growing vegetation or due to
many more other competitors for the low growing
vegetation they eat. So in every generation in this population
the animals with the slightly longer necks have a small advantage.
This segment of the population then thrives a little more and
produces just a tiny bit more offspring, e.g, the average neck length
for the total population increases say with only 0.001 inch per
generation (= every 20 years). This is really a very tiny shift in the
average neck length in the total population.
But now comes the amazing part:
If we assume a steady trend, this means in 1 million years, the
average
neck length of the total population would have increased by
1,000,000/ 20 times 0.001 = 50 inches = 4 ft and 2 inches!!!!
Of course trends are often not linear. They could happen much slower
or much faster or even in spurts of no, slow, backward or fast change.
And of course trends or changes are not confined to one characteristic
at all (such as neck length in this example).
The above is only an example of how the mean of one characteristic
of a total population can shift considerably over time. This is only
an illustration of how the mechanism works.
My main point is that many people cannot understand that if you
multiply a huge number (time, 1 million years, 10 million years, 100
million years) times a very small number you get a sizable
number, and thus a remarkable change in the total population.
We only see a snapshot in time. So we do not observe a change
because our lifespan is way too short. So we deny change,
we deny evolution - we know we are against 'it'.
Michael M Terra
.

User: "ar-"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know theyare against it 19 Feb 2007 12:24:43 PM
Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and

It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.
It is in conflict with the stated opinions of some christians, but not
with the tenets of christianity.
There are simply a sizeable number of christian "leaders" who are
simpletons and half-wits, anti-progress, and mean spirited. This is the
result.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 19 Feb 2007 09:12:22 PM
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:43 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <45D9EB6B.7020103@nothere.com>



Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.

You *have* actually read both versions of Genesis, haven't you?

It is in conflict with the stated opinions of some christians, but not
with the tenets of christianity.

Which are what, exactly?
Whioch sects tenets?
Don't be afraid to come up with a set of iron clad tenets.

There are simply a sizeable number of christian "leaders" who are
simpletons and half-wits, anti-progress, and mean spirited.

Yes, I agree, 100% is sizable.

This is the
result.

9/11 is the result.
Abortion clinic bombings are the result.
Lynchings are the result.
--
.
User: "ar-"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know theyare against it 21 Feb 2007 03:46:32 PM
Michael Gray wrote:

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:43 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <45D9EB6B.7020103@nothere.com>


Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.



You *have* actually read both versions of Genesis, haven't you?

Are you saying that genesis does provide a mechanism by which god
created the universe? Great. Describe the mechanism that god used to
create all of the forms of life?!



It is in conflict with the stated opinions of some christians, but not
with the tenets of christianity.



Which are what, exactly?
Whioch sects tenets?
Don't be afraid to come up with a set of iron clad tenets.


There are simply a sizeable number of christian "leaders" who are
simpletons and half-wits, anti-progress, and mean spirited.



Yes, I agree, 100% is sizable.


This is the
result.



9/11 is the result.
Abortion clinic bombings are the result.
Lynchings are the result.

--

.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 21 Feb 2007 07:35:09 PM
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:46:32 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <eriejo$t4c$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>



Michael Gray wrote:

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:43 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <45D9EB6B.7020103@nothere.com>


Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.



You *have* actually read both versions of Genesis, haven't you?


Are you saying that genesis does provide a mechanism by which god
created the universe? Great. Describe the mechanism that god used to
create all of the forms of life?!

Magic.
Presitidigation.
Pulled it out of his fictional arse.
:
--
.


User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 01 Mar 2007 01:00:54 PM
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:42:22 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:43 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <45D9EB6B.7020103@nothere.com>



Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.


You *have* actually read both versions of Genesis, haven't you?

It is in conflict with the stated opinions of some christians, but not
with the tenets of christianity.


Which are what, exactly?
Whioch sects tenets?
Don't be afraid to come up with a set of iron clad tenets.

There are simply a sizeable number of christian "leaders" who are
simpletons and half-wits, anti-progress, and mean spirited.


Yes, I agree, 100% is sizable.

This is the
result.


9/11 is the result.
Abortion clinic bombings are the result.
Lynchings are the result.

Bigotry is the result.
Prejudice is the result.
Terminal proud ignorance is the result.
Hypocrisy is the result.
Murder is the result.
Rank cowardice is the result.
Dishonesty is the result.
Torture is the result.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 01 Mar 2007 03:12:08 PM
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:00:54 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <4j8eu2lopvlqpthkbjkij3rvv37skcqonl@4ax.com>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:42:22 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:43 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <45D9EB6B.7020103@nothere.com>



Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.


You *have* actually read both versions of Genesis, haven't you?

It is in conflict with the stated opinions of some christians, but not
with the tenets of christianity.


Which are what, exactly?
Whioch sects tenets?
Don't be afraid to come up with a set of iron clad tenets.

There are simply a sizeable number of christian "leaders" who are
simpletons and half-wits, anti-progress, and mean spirited.


Yes, I agree, 100% is sizable.

This is the
result.


9/11 is the result.
Abortion clinic bombings are the result.
Lynchings are the result.


Bigotry is the result.
Prejudice is the result.
Terminal proud ignorance is the result.
Hypocrisy is the result.
Murder is the result.
Rank cowardice is the result.
Dishonesty is the result.
Torture is the result.

Genocide is the result.
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 06 Mar 2007 07:27:56 PM
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:42:08 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:00:54 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <4j8eu2lopvlqpthkbjkij3rvv37skcqonl@4ax.com>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:42:22 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:43 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <45D9EB6B.7020103@nothere.com>



Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.


You *have* actually read both versions of Genesis, haven't you?

It is in conflict with the stated opinions of some christians, but not
with the tenets of christianity.


Which are what, exactly?
Whioch sects tenets?
Don't be afraid to come up with a set of iron clad tenets.

There are simply a sizeable number of christian "leaders" who are
simpletons and half-wits, anti-progress, and mean spirited.


Yes, I agree, 100% is sizable.

This is the
result.


9/11 is the result.
Abortion clinic bombings are the result.
Lynchings are the result.


Bigotry is the result.
Prejudice is the result.
Terminal proud ignorance is the result.
Hypocrisy is the result.
Murder is the result.
Rank cowardice is the result.
Dishonesty is the result.
Torture is the result.


Genocide is the result.

The list is darn near endless.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 07 Mar 2007 12:32:17 AM
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:27:56 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d85su2p7fl2p4661qnv51hfke4uf86rc8c@4ax.com>

On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:42:08 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:00:54 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <4j8eu2lopvlqpthkbjkij3rvv37skcqonl@4ax.com>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:42:22 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:43 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <45D9EB6B.7020103@nothere.com>



Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.


You *have* actually read both versions of Genesis, haven't you?

It is in conflict with the stated opinions of some christians, but not
with the tenets of christianity.


Which are what, exactly?
Whioch sects tenets?
Don't be afraid to come up with a set of iron clad tenets.

There are simply a sizeable number of christian "leaders" who are
simpletons and half-wits, anti-progress, and mean spirited.


Yes, I agree, 100% is sizable.

This is the
result.


9/11 is the result.
Abortion clinic bombings are the result.
Lynchings are the result.


Bigotry is the result.
Prejudice is the result.
Terminal proud ignorance is the result.
Hypocrisy is the result.
Murder is the result.
Rank cowardice is the result.
Dishonesty is the result.
Torture is the result.


Genocide is the result.


The list is darn near endless.

It may be quicker to list the absent attributes.
* Honesty.
* Integrity.
* Moral equivalence.
* Tolerance.
:
No, that won't be any quicker either.
That list is endless as well.
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 09 Mar 2007 08:33:49 PM
On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:02:17 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:27:56 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d85su2p7fl2p4661qnv51hfke4uf86rc8c@4ax.com>

On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:42:08 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:00:54 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <4j8eu2lopvlqpthkbjkij3rvv37skcqonl@4ax.com>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:42:22 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:43 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <45D9EB6B.7020103@nothere.com>



Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.


You *have* actually read both versions of Genesis, haven't you?

It is in conflict with the stated opinions of some christians, but not
with the tenets of christianity.


Which are what, exactly?
Whioch sects tenets?
Don't be afraid to come up with a set of iron clad tenets.

There are simply a sizeable number of christian "leaders" who are
simpletons and half-wits, anti-progress, and mean spirited.


Yes, I agree, 100% is sizable.

This is the
result.


9/11 is the result.
Abortion clinic bombings are the result.
Lynchings are the result.


Bigotry is the result.
Prejudice is the result.
Terminal proud ignorance is the result.
Hypocrisy is the result.
Murder is the result.
Rank cowardice is the result.
Dishonesty is the result.
Torture is the result.


Genocide is the result.


The list is darn near endless.


It may be quicker to list the absent attributes.
* Honesty.
* Integrity.
* Moral equivalence.
* Tolerance.
:

No, that won't be any quicker either.
That list is endless as well.

Exactly. Inhumane might do the trick.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 10 Mar 2007 12:09:34 AM
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:33:49 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <a764v2dhjfd871ijcndje983ncjenfa79s@4ax.com>

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:02:17 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:27:56 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d85su2p7fl2p4661qnv51hfke4uf86rc8c@4ax.com>

On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:42:08 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:00:54 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <4j8eu2lopvlqpthkbjkij3rvv37skcqonl@4ax.com>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:42:22 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:43 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <45D9EB6B.7020103@nothere.com>



Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.


You *have* actually read both versions of Genesis, haven't you?

It is in conflict with the stated opinions of some christians, but not
with the tenets of christianity.


Which are what, exactly?
Whioch sects tenets?
Don't be afraid to come up with a set of iron clad tenets.

There are simply a sizeable number of christian "leaders" who are
simpletons and half-wits, anti-progress, and mean spirited.


Yes, I agree, 100% is sizable.

This is the
result.


9/11 is the result.
Abortion clinic bombings are the result.
Lynchings are the result.


Bigotry is the result.
Prejudice is the result.
Terminal proud ignorance is the result.
Hypocrisy is the result.
Murder is the result.
Rank cowardice is the result.
Dishonesty is the result.
Torture is the result.


Genocide is the result.


The list is darn near endless.


It may be quicker to list the absent attributes.
* Honesty.
* Integrity.
* Moral equivalence.
* Tolerance.
:

No, that won't be any quicker either.
That list is endless as well.


Exactly. Inhumane might do the trick.

No, it does not.
That exludes both their cruelty to animals, and their rapacious
exploitation of the environment.
That's one beer that you now owe me!
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 16 Mar 2007 11:02:36 PM
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:39:34 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:33:49 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <a764v2dhjfd871ijcndje983ncjenfa79s@4ax.com>

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:02:17 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:27:56 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d85su2p7fl2p4661qnv51hfke4uf86rc8c@4ax.com>

On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:42:08 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:00:54 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <4j8eu2lopvlqpthkbjkij3rvv37skcqonl@4ax.com>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:42:22 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:43 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <45D9EB6B.7020103@nothere.com>



Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.


You *have* actually read both versions of Genesis, haven't you?

It is in conflict with the stated opinions of some christians, but not
with the tenets of christianity.


Which are what, exactly?
Whioch sects tenets?
Don't be afraid to come up with a set of iron clad tenets.

There are simply a sizeable number of christian "leaders" who are
simpletons and half-wits, anti-progress, and mean spirited.


Yes, I agree, 100% is sizable.

This is the
result.


9/11 is the result.
Abortion clinic bombings are the result.
Lynchings are the result.


Bigotry is the result.
Prejudice is the result.
Terminal proud ignorance is the result.
Hypocrisy is the result.
Murder is the result.
Rank cowardice is the result.
Dishonesty is the result.
Torture is the result.


Genocide is the result.


The list is darn near endless.


It may be quicker to list the absent attributes.
* Honesty.
* Integrity.
* Moral equivalence.
* Tolerance.
:

No, that won't be any quicker either.
That list is endless as well.


Exactly. Inhumane might do the trick.


No, it does not.
That exludes both their cruelty to animals, and their rapacious
exploitation of the environment.

No, it does not so exclude.

That's one beer that you now owe me!

Let the dart board decide!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 17 Mar 2007 01:34:20 AM
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:02:36 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
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On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:39:34 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:33:49 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
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On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:02:17 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:27:56 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:42:08 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:00:54 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:42:22 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:43 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
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Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.


You *have* actually read both versions of Genesis, haven't you?

It is in conflict with the stated opinions of some christians, but not
with the tenets of christianity.


Which are what, exactly?
Whioch sects tenets?
Don't be afraid to come up with a set of iron clad tenets.

There are simply a sizeable number of christian "leaders" who are
simpletons and half-wits, anti-progress, and mean spirited.


Yes, I agree, 100% is sizable.

This is the
result.


9/11 is the result.
Abortion clinic bombings are the result.
Lynchings are the result.


Bigotry is the result.
Prejudice is the result.
Terminal proud ignorance is the result.
Hypocrisy is the result.
Murder is the result.
Rank cowardice is the result.
Dishonesty is the result.
Torture is the result.


Genocide is the result.


The list is darn near endless.


It may be quicker to list the absent attributes.
* Honesty.
* Integrity.
* Moral equivalence.
* Tolerance.
:

No, that won't be any quicker either.
That list is endless as well.


Exactly. Inhumane might do the trick.


No, it does not.
That exludes both their cruelty to animals, and their rapacious
exploitation of the environment.


No, it does not so exclude.

Please explain?

That's one beer that you now owe me!


Let the dart board decide!

It said "bulls-eye".
Well, it was "bull..." something. ;)
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 23 Mar 2007 03:29:16 PM
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:04:20 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:02:36 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
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On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:39:34 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:33:49 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
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On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:02:17 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:27:56 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:42:08 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:00:54 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:42:22 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:43 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <45D9EB6B.7020103@nothere.com>



Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.


You *have* actually read both versions of Genesis, haven't you?

It is in conflict with the stated opinions of some christians, but not
with the tenets of christianity.


Which are what, exactly?
Whioch sects tenets?
Don't be afraid to come up with a set of iron clad tenets.

There are simply a sizeable number of christian "leaders" who are
simpletons and half-wits, anti-progress, and mean spirited.


Yes, I agree, 100% is sizable.

This is the
result.


9/11 is the result.
Abortion clinic bombings are the result.
Lynchings are the result.


Bigotry is the result.
Prejudice is the result.
Terminal proud ignorance is the result.
Hypocrisy is the result.
Murder is the result.
Rank cowardice is the result.
Dishonesty is the result.
Torture is the result.


Genocide is the result.


The list is darn near endless.


It may be quicker to list the absent attributes.
* Honesty.
* Integrity.
* Moral equivalence.
* Tolerance.
:

No, that won't be any quicker either.
That list is endless as well.


Exactly. Inhumane might do the trick.


No, it does not.
That exludes both their cruelty to animals, and their rapacious
exploitation of the environment.


No, it does not so exclude.


Please explain?

Terminal self-centredness.

That's one beer that you now owe me!


Let the dart board decide!


It said "bulls-eye".
Well, it was "bull..." something. ;)

Red?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 23 Mar 2007 08:10:15 PM
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:29:16 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:04:20 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:02:36 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <a1qmv2tnmkenr65v51jjnki15t7s4ohinj@4ax.com>

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:39:34 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:33:49 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <a764v2dhjfd871ijcndje983ncjenfa79s@4ax.com>

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:02:17 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:27:56 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d85su2p7fl2p4661qnv51hfke4uf86rc8c@4ax.com>

On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:42:08 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:00:54 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <4j8eu2lopvlqpthkbjkij3rvv37skcqonl@4ax.com>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:42:22 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:43 -0500, ar- <ar-@nothere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <45D9EB6B.7020103@nothere.com>



Carl Sagan's billions wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


It's not in conflict with the Bible. That is, I'm pretty sure that the
bible makes no comment about mechanisms for the origin of species. They
came about, but the bible does not say how god did it.


You *have* actually read both versions of Genesis, haven't you?

It is in conflict with the stated opinions of some christians, but not
with the tenets of christianity.


Which are what, exactly?
Whioch sects tenets?
Don't be afraid to come up with a set of iron clad tenets.

There are simply a sizeable number of christian "leaders" who are
simpletons and half-wits, anti-progress, and mean spirited.


Yes, I agree, 100% is sizable.

This is the
result.


9/11 is the result.
Abortion clinic bombings are the result.
Lynchings are the result.


Bigotry is the result.
Prejudice is the result.
Terminal proud ignorance is the result.
Hypocrisy is the result.
Murder is the result.
Rank cowardice is the result.
Dishonesty is the result.
Torture is the result.


Genocide is the result.


The list is darn near endless.


It may be quicker to list the absent attributes.
* Honesty.
* Integrity.
* Moral equivalence.
* Tolerance.
:

No, that won't be any quicker either.
That list is endless as well.


Exactly. Inhumane might do the trick.


No, it does not.
That exludes both their cruelty to animals, and their rapacious
exploitation of the environment.


No, it does not so exclude.


Please explain?


Terminal self-centredness.

That's one beer that you now owe me!


Let the dart board decide!


It said "bulls-eye".
Well, it was "bull..." something. ;)


Red?

Only if the male bovine in question has a bleedin' *****.
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 29 Mar 2007 10:08:36 PM
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:40:15 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:29:16 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <mud803lvqhokmigg25f52d3lebgroc3gnj@4ax.com>

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:04:20 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

[]

No, that won't be any quicker either.
That list is endless as well.


Exactly. Inhumane might do the trick.


No, it does not.
That exludes both their cruelty to animals, and their rapacious
exploitation of the environment.


No, it does not so exclude.


Please explain?


Terminal self-centredness.

That's one beer that you now owe me!


Let the dart board decide!


It said "bulls-eye".
Well, it was "bull..." something. ;)


Red?


Only if the male bovine in question has a bleedin' *****.

***** 'n Andy?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 30 Mar 2007 12:03:25 AM
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:08:36 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <hovo039su8r7o7j0p6p2dlss3vcmpibs47@4ax.com>

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:40:15 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:29:16 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <mud803lvqhokmigg25f52d3lebgroc3gnj@4ax.com>

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:04:20 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism


[]

No, that won't be any quicker either.
That list is endless as well.


Exactly. Inhumane might do the trick.


No, it does not.
That exludes both their cruelty to animals, and their rapacious
exploitation of the environment.


No, it does not so exclude.


Please explain?


Terminal self-centredness.

That's one beer that you now owe me!


Let the dart board decide!


It said "bulls-eye".
Well, it was "bull..." something. ;)


Red?


Only if the male bovine in question has a bleedin' *****.


***** 'n Andy?

You makin' fun o' my black hole, boss?
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 04 Apr 2007 05:36:23 PM
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:33:25 +0930, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:08:36 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <hovo039su8r7o7j0p6p2dlss3vcmpibs47@4ax.com>

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:40:15 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:29:16 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <mud803lvqhokmigg25f52d3lebgroc3gnj@4ax.com>

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:04:20 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism


[]

No, that won't be any quicker either.
That list is endless as well.


Exactly. Inhumane might do the trick.


No, it does not.
That exludes both their cruelty to animals, and their rapacious
exploitation of the environment.


No, it does not so exclude.


Please explain?


Terminal self-centredness.

That's one beer that you now owe me!


Let the dart board decide!


It said "bulls-eye".
Well, it was "bull..." something. ;)


Red?


Only if the male bovine in question has a bleedin' *****.


***** 'n Andy?


You makin' fun o' my black hole, boss?

Redd Hott Chilly Peppers.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.















User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 18 Feb 2007 01:43:00 AM
On 17 Feb 2007 22:01:26 -0800, "Carl Sagan's billions"
<mm2terra@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1171778486.066380.63990@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and

2) their total education in science has been abysmal

The two criminal deficiencies are intimately cross-causally linked.
:
--
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 18 Feb 2007 08:16:27 PM
On 17 Feb 2007 22:01:26 -0800, "Carl Sagan's billions"
<mm2terra@yahoo.com> wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:
1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and
2) their total education in science has been abysmal

While most people have never had any science education, most people
aren't Christian and have very little idea of what the Bible says.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 01 Mar 2007 12:58:19 PM
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:16:27 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism

On 17 Feb 2007 22:01:26 -0800, "Carl Sagan's billions"
<mm2terra@yahoo.com> wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:


1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


2) their total education in science has been abysmal


While most people have never had any science education, most people
aren't Christian and have very little idea of what the Bible says.

Myraid Christian have very little idea of what the tome of drooling
bronze age idiocy called "The Bible" says, much less follow.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 01 Mar 2007 03:11:17 PM
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:58:19 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <fg8eu2tgmmu733tbv8hkvd29ve8pkfkm4u@4ax.com>

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:16:27 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism

On 17 Feb 2007 22:01:26 -0800, "Carl Sagan's billions"
<mm2terra@yahoo.com> wrote:

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:


1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and


2) their total education in science has been abysmal


While most people have never had any science education, most people
aren't Christian and have very little idea of what the Bible says.


Myraid Christian have very little idea of what the tome of drooling
bronze age idiocy called "The Bible" says, much less follow.

Exactly.
The number of self-proclaimed Xtians who are ignorant of even the
basics of their buy-bull, is truly alarming.
--
.



User: "Mettas Mother"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 18 Feb 2007 02:01:49 AM
There is also other theories that state that life on earth is a direct
experiment of Aliens. Or an experiment that gone wrong. Or we could be the
descendants of Exploring Research Aliens lost in space and crushed on earth!
Or we could have been the evolution that took place on some comet or
meteorite that crushed onto earth! There are other theories too!
"Carl Sagan's billions" <mm2terra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171778486.066380.63990@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and

2) their total education in science has been abysmal

If you die and get buried, how much of your body would be left after
100 years, how much after 1000 years, how much after 10,000 years?

Most of us will agree that most mammal bodies after 10,000 years would
be completely gone. What after 100,000 years? What after a million
years? What after 10 million years?

Conclusion: Remains or fossils of mammals from thousands or
or hundreds of thousands or millions of years ago are very rare.

Evolution is a fact. Darwin was a great scientist. Some of the
possible mechanisms of evolution, even now, are not well understood
by many people. One of the main enablers is TIME --
and millions of years of it!

The following simple example explains one way in which the
characteristics of a population can change over time.

Assume a population of ancestors of giraffes had short necks,
e.g., average neck length is 12 inches. This is an average, the real
neck length for the population of course varies over a range
around 12 inches.

Assume for the sake of discussion that the length varies roughly
from 9 and 15 inches. Environmental drivers (food, water, diseases,
trees, parasites, carnivores, selection, etc., etc.,) and random
mutations will usually change this population slightly in an arbitrary
direction. Some populations hardly change over millions of years.
Others change rapidly within tens of thousands of years.

Assume due to environmental factors giraffes with the longer necks
in this population are favored ever so slightly, e.g., due to
wide spread diseases in low growing vegetation or due to
many more other competitors for the low growing
vegetation they eat. So in every generation in this population
the animals with the slightly longer necks have a small advantage.

This segment of the population then thrives a little more and
produces just a tiny bit more offspring, e.g, the average neck length
for the total population increases say with only 0.001 inch per
generation (= every 20 years). This is really a very tiny shift in the
average neck length in the total population.

But now comes the amazing part:
If we assume a steady trend, this means in 1 million years, the
average
neck length of the total population would have increased by
1,000,000/ 20 times 0.001 = 50 inches = 4 ft and 2 inches!!!!

Of course trends are often not linear. They could happen much slower
or much faster or even in spurts of no, slow, backward or fast change.
And of course trends or changes are not confined to one characteristic
at all (such as neck length in this example).

The above is only an example of how the mean of one characteristic
of a total population can shift considerably over time. This is only
an illustration of how the mechanism works.

My main point is that many people cannot understand that if you
multiply a huge number (time, 1 million years, 10 million years, 100
million years) times a very small number you get a sizable
number, and thus a remarkable change in the total population.

We only see a snapshot in time. So we do not observe a change
because our lifespan is way too short. So we deny change,
we deny evolution - we know we are against 'it'.
Michael M Terra

.
User: "Sam Washington"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 03 Apr 2007 12:39:12 PM
"Mettas Mother" <mettas_mother@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:er926t$khn$1@registered.motzarella.org...

There is also other theories that state that life on earth is a direct
experiment of Aliens. Or an experiment that gone wrong. Or we could be

the

descendants of Exploring Research Aliens lost in space and crushed on

earth!

Or we could have been the evolution that took place on some comet or
meteorite that crushed onto earth! There are other theories too!

Evolution says man come from monkeys. Its stupid.


"Carl Sagan's billions" <mm2terra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171778486.066380.63990@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...

Very good overview of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:

1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and

2) their total education in science has been abysmal

If you die and get buried, how much of your body would be left after
100 years, how much after 1000 years, how much after 10,000 years?

Most of us will agree that most mammal bodies after 10,000 years would
be completely gone. What after 100,000 years? What after a million
years? What after 10 million years?

Conclusion: Remains or fossils of mammals from thousands or
or hundreds of thousands or millions of years ago are very rare.

Evolution is a fact. Darwin was a great scientist. Some of the
possible mechanisms of evolution, even now, are not well understood
by many people. One of the main enablers is TIME --
and millions of years of it!

The following simple example explains one way in which the
characteristics of a population can change over time.

Assume a population of ancestors of giraffes had short necks,
e.g., average neck length is 12 inches. This is an average, the real
neck length for the population of course varies over a range
around 12 inches.

Assume for the sake of discussion that the length varies roughly
from 9 and 15 inches. Environmental drivers (food, water, diseases,
trees, parasites, carnivores, selection, etc., etc.,) and random
mutations will usually change this population slightly in an arbitrary
direction. Some populations hardly change over millions of years.
Others change rapidly within tens of thousands of years.

Assume due to environmental factors giraffes with the longer necks
in this population are favored ever so slightly, e.g., due to
wide spread diseases in low growing vegetation or due to
many more other competitors for the low growing
vegetation they eat. So in every generation in this population
the animals with the slightly longer necks have a small advantage.

This segment of the population then thrives a little more and
produces just a tiny bit more offspring, e.g, the average neck length
for the total population increases say with only 0.001 inch per
generation (= every 20 years). This is really a very tiny shift in the
average neck length in the total population.

But now comes the amazing part:
If we assume a steady trend, this means in 1 million years, the
average
neck length of the total population would have increased by
1,000,000/ 20 times 0.001 = 50 inches = 4 ft and 2 inches!!!!

Of course trends are often not linear. They could happen much slower
or much faster or even in spurts of no, slow, backward or fast change.
And of course trends or changes are not confined to one characteristic
at all (such as neck length in this example).

The above is only an example of how the mean of one characteristic
of a total population can shift considerably over time. This is only
an illustration of how the mechanism works.

My main point is that many people cannot understand that if you
multiply a huge number (time, 1 million years, 10 million years, 100
million years) times a very small number you get a sizable
number, and thus a remarkable change in the total population.

We only see a snapshot in time. So we do not observe a change
because our lifespan is way too short. So we deny change,
we deny evolution - we know we are against 'it'.
Michael M Terra



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User: "Bob T."

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 03 Apr 2007 03:15:11 PM
On Apr 3, 10:39 am, "Sam Washington" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Mettas Mother" <mettas_mot...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:er926t$khn$1@registered.motzarella.org...

There is also other theories that state that life on earth is a direct
experiment of Aliens. Or an experiment that gone wrong. Or we could be

the

descendants of Exploring Research Aliens lost in space and crushed on

earth!

Or we could have been the evolution that took place on some comet or
meteorite that crushed onto earth! There are other theories too!


Evolution says man come from monkeys. Its stupid.

No it doesn't (it says that men and monkeys have a common ancestor),
and no it's not stupid. But thanks for your compelling analysis!
- Bob T.
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User: "Wally Anglesea™"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 04 Apr 2007 12:18:45 AM
On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:39:12 -0400, "Sam Washington"
<samw@bellsouth.net> wrote:


"Mettas Mother" <mettas_mother@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:er926t$khn$1@registered.motzarella.org...

There is also other theories that state that life on earth is a direct
experiment of Aliens. Or an experiment that gone wrong. Or we could be

the

descendants of Exploring Research Aliens lost in space and crushed on

earth!

Or we could have been the evolution that took place on some comet or
meteorite that crushed onto earth! There are other theories too!


Evolution says man come from monkeys. Its stupid.

NO, your misunderstanding is stupid. The only question is are you
deliberately stupid, or merely uneducated?
--
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User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 04 Apr 2007 05:37:55 PM
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:18:45 GMT, Wally Anglesea™
<wanglese@spammersbigpondareparasites.net.au> wrote in alt.atheism

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:39:12 -0400, "Sam Washington"
<samw@bellsouth.net> wrote:


"Mettas Mother" <mettas_mother@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:er926t$khn$1@registered.motzarella.org...

There is also other theories that state that life on earth is a direct
experiment of Aliens. Or an experiment that gone wrong. Or we could be

the

descendants of Exploring Research Aliens lost in space and crushed on

earth!

Or we could have been the evolution that took place on some comet or
meteorite that crushed onto earth! There are other theories too!


Evolution says man come from monkeys. Its stupid.


NO, your misunderstanding is stupid. The only question is are you
deliberately stupid, or merely uneducated?

He's both, and invincibly so.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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User: "Bob Casanova"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 04 Apr 2007 03:20:07 PM
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:18:45 GMT, the following appeared in
sci.skeptic, posted by Wally Anglesea™
<wanglese@spammersbigpondareparasites.net.au>:

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:39:12 -0400, "Sam Washington"
<samw@bellsouth.net> wrote:


"Mettas Mother" <mettas_mother@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:er926t$khn$1@registered.motzarella.org...

There is also other theories that state that life on earth is a direct
experiment of Aliens. Or an experiment that gone wrong. Or we could be

the

descendants of Exploring Research Aliens lost in space and crushed on

earth!

Or we could have been the evolution that took place on some comet or
meteorite that crushed onto earth! There are other theories too!


Evolution says man come from monkeys. Its stupid.


NO, your misunderstanding is stupid. The only question is are you
deliberately stupid, or merely uneducated?

Given the availability of educational resources, is there a
difference?
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
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User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 04 Apr 2007 06:06:31 PM
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:20:07 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
wrote:
- Refer: <q228139lih5olb6g75c66fg4qfhai6gg4v@4ax.com>

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:18:45 GMT, the following appeared in
sci.skeptic, posted by Wally Anglesea™
<wanglese@spammersbigpondareparasites.net.au>:

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:39:12 -0400, "Sam Washington"
<samw@bellsouth.net> wrote:


"Mettas Mother" <mettas_mother@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:er926t$khn$1@registered.motzarella.org...

There is also other theories that state that life on earth is a direct
experiment of Aliens. Or an experiment that gone wrong. Or we could be

the

descendants of Exploring Research Aliens lost in space and crushed on

earth!

Or we could have been the evolution that took place on some comet or
meteorite that crushed onto earth! There are other theories too!


Evolution says man come from monkeys. Its stupid.


NO, your misunderstanding is stupid. The only question is are you
deliberately stupid, or merely uneducated?


Given the availability of educational resources, is there a
difference?

There should be plenty of educational opportunities in Sam's
Psychiatric Ward.
--
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User: "Bob Casanova"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 05 Apr 2007 04:47:31 PM
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:36:31 +0930, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com>:

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:20:07 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
wrote:
- Refer: <q228139lih5olb6g75c66fg4qfhai6gg4v@4ax.com>

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:18:45 GMT, the following appeared in
sci.skeptic, posted by Wally Anglesea™
<wanglese@spammersbigpondareparasites.net.au>:

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:39:12 -0400, "Sam Washington"
<samw@bellsouth.net> wrote:


"Mettas Mother" <mettas_mother@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:er926t$khn$1@registered.motzarella.org...

There is also other theories that state that life on earth is a direct
experiment of Aliens. Or an experiment that gone wrong. Or we could be

the

descendants of Exploring Research Aliens lost in space and crushed on

earth!

Or we could have been the evolution that took place on some comet or
meteorite that crushed onto earth! There are other theories too!


Evolution says man come from monkeys. Its stupid.


NO, your misunderstanding is stupid. The only question is are you
deliberately stupid, or merely uneducated?


Given the availability of educational resources, is there a
difference?


There should be plenty of educational opportunities in Sam's
Psychiatric Ward.

....or anywhere else. That was my point.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
.




User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution but they know they are against it 03 Apr 2007 09:03:22 PM
On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:39:12 -0400, "Sam Washington"
<samw@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Mettas Mother" <mettas_mother@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:er926t$khn$1@registered.motzarella.org...
Evolution says man come from monkeys. Its stupid.

You're the one who's stupid if you think evolution says that man came
from monkeys. We're not even in the same superfamily, let alone the
same genus, which we'd have to be to have come from them.
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