Religions > Atheism > Most Americans do not understand evolution so they are against "it"
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"Carl Sagans billions" |
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11 Sep 2007 11:36:50 PM |
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Most Americans do not understand evolution so they are against "it" |
Very good overview of Evolution:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:
1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and
2) their total education in science has been abysmal
If you die and get buried, how much of your body would be left after
100 years, how much after 1000 years, how much after 10,000 years?
Most of us will agree that most mammal bodies after 10,000 years would
be completely gone. What after 100,000 years? What after a million
years? What after 10 million years?
Conclusion: Remains or fossils of mammals from tens or hundreds
of thousands or millions of years ago are very rare.
Evolution is a fact. Darwin was a great scientist. Some of the
possible mechanisms of evolution, even now, are not well understood
by many people. One of the main enablers is TIME --
and millions of years of it!
The following simple example explains one way in which the
characteristics of a population can change over time.
Assume a population of ancestors of giraffes had short necks,
e.g. average 12 inches. This is an average, the real length for the
population of course varies over a range.
Assume for the sake of discussion that the length varies roughly
from 8 and 16 inches. Environmental drivers (food, water, diseases,
trees, parasites, carnivores, selection, etc., etc.,) and random
mutations will usually change this population slightly in an arbitrary
direction. Some populations hardly change over millions of years.
Others change rapidly within tens of thousands of years.
Assume due to environmental factors giraffes with the longer necks
in this population are favored ever so slightly, e.g. due to
wide spread diseases in low growing vegetation or
many more other competitors for low growing
vegetation. So in every generation in this population the animals
with the slightly longer necks have a small advantage. This
segment of the population then thrives a little more and
produces just a tiny bit more offspring, e.g, the average neck length
for the total population increases say with only 0.001 inch per
generation (= every 20 years). This is really a very tiny shift in the
average neck length in the total population.
But now comes the amazing part:
If we assume a steady trend, this means in 1 million years, the
average
neck length of the total population would have increased by
1,000,000/ 20 times 0.001 = 50 inches = 4 ft and 2 inches!!!!
Of course trends are often not linear. They could happen much slower
or much faster or even in spurts of no, slow, backward or fast change.
And of course trends or changes are not confined to one characteristic
at all (such as neck length in this example).
The above is only an example of how the mean of one characteristic
of a total population can shift considerably over time. This is only
an illustration of how the mechanism works.
My main point is that many people cannot understand that if you
multiply a huge number (time, 1 million years, 10 million years, 100
million years) times a very small number you get a sizable
number, and thus a remarkable change in the total population.
We only see a snapshot in time. So we do not observe a change
because our lifespan is way too short. So we deny change,
we deny evolution - we are against 'it'.
Michael M Terra
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| User: "Apobetics" |
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| Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution so they are against "it" |
14 Sep 2007 02:41:01 PM |
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On Sep 11, 9:36 pm, Carl Sagan's billions <mm2te...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Very good overview of Evolution:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.htmlhttp://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:
1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and
2) their total education in science has been abysmal
If you die and get buried, how much of your body would be left after
100 years, how much after 1000 years, how much after 10,000 years?
Most of us will agree that most mammal bodies after 10,000 years would
be completely gone. What after 100,000 years? What after a million
years? What after 10 million years?
Conclusion: Remains or fossils of mammals from tens or hundreds
of thousands or millions of years ago are very rare.
Evolution is a fact. Darwin was a great scientist. Some of the
possible mechanisms of evolution, even now, are not well understood
by many people. One of the main enablers is TIME --
and millions of years of it!
The following simple example explains one way in which the
characteristics of a population can change over time.
Assume a population of ancestors of giraffes had short necks,
e.g. average 12 inches. This is an average, the real length for the
population of course varies over a range.
Assume for the sake of discussion that the length varies roughly
from 8 and 16 inches. Environmental drivers (food, water, diseases,
trees, parasites, carnivores, selection, etc., etc.,) and random
mutations will usually change this population slightly in an arbitrary
direction. Some populations hardly change over millions of years.
Others change rapidly within tens of thousands of years.
Assume due to environmental factors giraffes with the longer necks
in this population are favored ever so slightly, e.g. due to
wide spread diseases in low growing vegetation or
many more other competitors for low growing
vegetation. So in every generation in this population the animals
with the slightly longer necks have a small advantage. This
segment of the population then thrives a little more and
produces just a tiny bit more offspring, e.g, the average neck length
for the total population increases say with only 0.001 inch per
generation (= every 20 years). This is really a very tiny shift in the
average neck length in the total population.
But now comes the amazing part:
If we assume a steady trend, this means in 1 million years, the
average
neck length of the total population would have increased by
1,000,000/ 20 times 0.001 = 50 inches = 4 ft and 2 inches!!!!
Of course trends are often not linear. They could happen much slower
or much faster or even in spurts of no, slow, backward or fast change.
And of course trends or changes are not confined to one characteristic
at all (such as neck length in this example).
The above is only an example of how the mean of one characteristic
of a total population can shift considerably over time. This is only
an illustration of how the mechanism works.
My main point is that many people cannot understand that if you
multiply a huge number (time, 1 million years, 10 million years, 100
million years) times a very small number you get a sizable
number, and thus a remarkable change in the total population.
We only see a snapshot in time. So we do not observe a change
because our lifespan is way too short. So we deny change,
we deny evolution - we are against 'it'.
Michael M Terra
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Most people are more intelligent than you naked apes. They see the
lie and silliness of so-called science for what it is - hatred of God.
"Just-so" stories are in the end only fairy tales.
However, I do believe that you did evolve coming from hariy apes to
naked ones,
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution so they are against "it" |
14 Sep 2007 03:15:39 PM |
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"Apobetics" <apobetic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189798861.181819.45780@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 11, 9:36 pm, Carl Sagan's billions <mm2te...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Very good overview of Evolution:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.htmlhttp://www.talkorig
ins.org/faqs/comdesc/
Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:
1) emotionally they cannot accept something that is in direct
conflict with the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity, and
2) their total education in science has been abysmal
If you die and get buried, how much of your body would be left after
100 years, how much after 1000 years, how much after 10,000 years?
Most of us will agree that most mammal bodies after 10,000 years would
be completely gone. What after 100,000 years? What after a million
years? What after 10 million years?
Conclusion: Remains or fossils of mammals from tens or hundreds
of thousands or millions of years ago are very rare.
Evolution is a fact. Darwin was a great scientist. Some of the
possible mechanisms of evolution, even now, are not well understood
by many people. One of the main enablers is TIME --
and millions of years of it!
The following simple example explains one way in which the
characteristics of a population can change over time.
Assume a population of ancestors of giraffes had short necks,
e.g. average 12 inches. This is an average, the real length for the
population of course varies over a range.
Assume for the sake of discussion that the length varies roughly
from 8 and 16 inches. Environmental drivers (food, water, diseases,
trees, parasites, carnivores, selection, etc., etc.,) and random
mutations will usually change this population slightly in an arbitrary
direction. Some populations hardly change over millions of years.
Others change rapidly within tens of thousands of years.
Assume due to environmental factors giraffes with the longer necks
in this population are favored ever so slightly, e.g. due to
wide spread diseases in low growing vegetation or
many more other competitors for low growing
vegetation. So in every generation in this population the animals
with the slightly longer necks have a small advantage. This
segment of the population then thrives a little more and
produces just a tiny bit more offspring, e.g, the average neck length
for the total population increases say with only 0.001 inch per
generation (= every 20 years). This is really a very tiny shift in the
average neck length in the total population.
But now comes the amazing part:
If we assume a steady trend, this means in 1 million years, the
average
neck length of the total population would have increased by
1,000,000/ 20 times 0.001 = 50 inches = 4 ft and 2 inches!!!!
Of course trends are often not linear. They could happen much slower
or much faster or even in spurts of no, slow, backward or fast change.
And of course trends or changes are not confined to one characteristic
at all (such as neck length in this example).
The above is only an example of how the mean of one characteristic
of a total population can shift considerably over time. This is only
an illustration of how the mechanism works.
My main point is that many people cannot understand that if you
multiply a huge number (time, 1 million years, 10 million years, 100
million years) times a very small number you get a sizable
number, and thus a remarkable change in the total population.
We only see a snapshot in time. So we do not observe a change
because our lifespan is way too short. So we deny change,
we deny evolution - we are against 'it'.
Michael M Terra
________________________________________________________________________
Most people are more intelligent than you naked apes. They see the
lie and silliness of so-called science for what it is - hatred of God.
"Just-so" stories are in the end only fairy tales.
However, I do believe that you did evolve coming from hariy apes to
naked ones,
Get your head out of your gods ***** and go back to school and gain some
knlwedge
outside your ancient and nonsensical Bible~
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution so they are against "it" |
14 Sep 2007 07:41:54 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:41:01 -0700, Apobetics <apobetic@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Most people are more intelligent than you naked apes. They see the
lie and silliness of so-called science for what it is
You conflate "have no intelligence" and "are more intelligent".
hatred of God.
We hate God about as much as you hate Ahura-Mazda.
"Just-so" stories are in the end only fairy tales.
Like the one about the world-wide flood that never happened?
Like the one about the Exodus that never happened?
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Most Americans do not understand evolution so they are against "it" |
12 Sep 2007 12:25:45 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:36:50 -0700, Carl Sagan's billions
<mm2terra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Many people deny that evolution of species occurred on earth,
mostly because of two reasons:
Speciation and evolution aren't exactly the same thing.
My main point is that many people cannot understand that if you
multiply a huge number (time, 1 million years, 10 million years, 100
million years) times a very small number you get a sizable
number, and thus a remarkable change in the total population.
And even when they do see it, many of them don't accept it. For
example, an okapi is a short-necked descendant of the same ancestor as
giraffes. But Luddites will brush this off with "well, they're still
both antelopes".
And human beings are still anthropoid apes.
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Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then comes evil?
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